Open 798 | PYPX/Y+I/M | Mafia PT (over)

[Hoopla]

actually, a problem with claiming a JK on me.

if dave watches me and sees just you target me (and no other player), the assumption would be that i was the killer (since if i was the kill-ee, dave would see scum killing me) or that you are scum and have no-killed. this creates a 50/50 between me & you. well, it's more like a 33/33/33 with dave thrown in the mix.

i'm back around to thinking N_M is the best JK target again.

[Hoopla]

my current choice is:

no-kill
S&M JK N_M

i'll try and pop back a couple hours before deadline if we want to chat about it more.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

actually, a problem with claiming a JK on me.

if dave watches me and sees just you target me (and no other player), the assumption would be that i was the killer (since if i was the kill-ee, dave would see scum killing me) or that you are scum and have no-killed. this creates a 50/50 between me & you. well, it's more like a 33/33/33 with dave thrown in the mix.

i'm back around to thinking N_M is the best JK target again.

Okay I can see how it would look bad if Davez watched you. However, the counter argument is that wouldn’t I logically jk you here based on my suspicions of Infinty?

I think only way you look bad here is if you kill and Davez catches you.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

my current choice is:

no-kill
S&M JK N_M

i'll try and pop back a couple hours before deadline if we want to chat about it more.

If you think there’s a chance he neigbourizes but I don’t think it matter since everyone thinks he’s a confirmed neighbourizer now.

The problem is for me to justify that jk. BB would even be weirder. I don’t care about trying to survive if it’s impossible though. I still think Infinty kill confitowns you because it makes no sense for you to kill Infinity here. We need at least on kill because that means one less day for you, so if you think we’re donezo anyway, I think that’s our best strategy. Infinity kill also looks superbad for NM.

[Hoopla]

Okay I can see how it would look bad if Davez watched you. However, the counter argument is that wouldn’t I logically jk you here based on my suspicions of Infinty?

I think only way you look bad here is if you kill and Davez catches you.

maybe you can JK infinity instead of N_M. this might be easier to justify, because you can claim you were trying to stop the killer (infinity).

[Smoke and Mirrors]

S & M jks Infinity

If it’s too late I can still claim it? Hopefully?

[the worst]

sorry i'm late.

i have that action in at:
10:21:26 am

but have the night deadline running out at:
10:15:00 am


so i'll be proceeding with no-kill, and smoke & mirrors jailkeeping not_mafia

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

thanks tw!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

we r claiming we jailkept NM right?

[Hoopla]

i'm thinking if a no-kill goes through, we can kill infinity tonight and maaaybe win it in 5p ELo tomorrow if N_M votes dave. maybe dave votes N_M too?

either way, i'm glad we no-killed to get this extra info instead of just killing dave. he seems crucial in terms of getting a mis-elim (either by him mis-voting or someone voting him).

[Nancy Drew 39]

Has Davez claimed his 1 shot yet? Because if he watches Infinity. then he catches us right? Gun to head, I’d say he’s already used it but is keeping that close to the vest to make us paranoid but obviously don’t know for sure but if we jk’d him, it’d be guaranteed but yeah, onboard for killing Infinity.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Hoopla, wtf are you doing?

[Hoopla]

proposing a plan to eliminate you today, as i think this path is completely winning.

it means i have to no-kill tonight (or else i confirm N_M as scum), then i either get dave or N_M eliminated in 5p tomorrow. no-kill again and get an elim in 4p ELo, which means i can kill at night and endgame.

on the surface it looks like this plan gives us an extra mis-elim chance, but it actually doesn't, because in the no-elim branches N_M isn't actually a viable mis-elim candidate, as we can't get a mis-elim on him in 3p ELo. so, given we need an elim on dave or BB at some point to win, proposing a pathway where it

looks

like i'm giving the town equity (but we're actually not) seems like a smart play that will near enough guarantee i'm not one of the elims after you go.

this pathway also guarantees i can never get caught by a watcher and end up in a 50/50 with dave.

[Hoopla]

it means i have to no-kill tonight (or else i confirm N_M as scum)

*confirm as town

[Hoopla]

@Hoopla, wtf are you doing?

trust me on this one;)

[Nancy Drew 39]

But if we kill Infinity, even if Davez catches us, it can still look like he’s bussing us and Infinty kill confitowns you, right?

[Nancy Drew 39]

If we don’t fight you on that, it will look suspicious though.

[Hoopla]

If we don’t fight you on that, it will look suspicious though.

oh yeah, of course you can fight me on it in thread. it would look weird if you didn't.

[Hoopla]

But if we kill Infinity, even if Davez catches us, it can still look like he’s bussing us and Infinty kill confitowns you, right?

infinity kill doesn't conf-town me.

whichever pathway we go down i'll need a dave or BB mis-elim. this pathway makes me look the most town, despite the objectives being the same.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Anyway, I doubt anyone thinks we’re buddies no matter what happens now. I still think it’s best for you if we kill Infinity tonight, so you still look disaligned, if you allow yourself to be talked out of it.

But I’ll trust you on this, if you think it’s best.

[Hoopla]

i think there's a decent chance the town doesn't go along with this plan, and we end up no-elim'ing today anyway. if that happens, then yeah, lets kill infinity tonight and try to win the game that way.

this other way just seems completely winning because it avoids possibilities of me ending up in a 50/50 with dave.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I just got through proving Smoke & Mirrors have to be town. No way scum no-killed twice! It was hard enough to believe they no-killed once. Therefore Hoopla is scum.

What are we going to do now?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Like we have to vote you right or it will look suspicious unless you back off of us and that won’t be easy. If you don’t get Davez executed over us, he won’t look like a buddy. So you will you either need to find a way out of it or no kill because you obviously can’t kill Davez now.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im gonna vote hoopla


hoopla should vote dave to make it 2:2

then if any1 votes dave we can switch

[Nancy Drew 39]

im gonna vote hoopla


hoopla should vote dave to make it 2:2

then if any1 votes dave we can switch

+1

but not right away though, right?