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Post Post #50 (ISO) » Thu Nov 26, 2020 2:19 am

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In post 48, Gypyx wrote:hmmm...
tgp must be the novice investigatoire right?
Correct.
Dunn COULD be it if he lied, but if so that's a blessing since we'll be in lylo and he won't be believed.
Akarin COULD be it, and that'd be problematic if so, but Akarin's softclaim doesn't seem to fit. I struggle to see how Akarin's claim matches up with 'novice investigatoir'.
TGP, however, we know did not act N1, and thus, is one of the following:
-A VT
-An xshot role
-An even-night role
-A novice role.

And given that the investigatoir is novice...odds are that it's him.
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Post Post #51 (ISO) » Thu Nov 26, 2020 2:20 am

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In post 49, mastina wrote:
mastina doctor-tracks: Akarin;
Gypyx kills: TheGoldenParadox
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Quoting this for pagetop.
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Post Post #52 (ISO) » Thu Nov 26, 2020 2:24 am

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wouldn't a reflexive voyeur know what kind of actions were performed on the players targeting me? Or am I just minsundersteanding reflexive?

dunn can't be the investigatoire anyways as the info would be "town neighbor novice investigatoire"

Gypyx confides Akarin

hold on, do you think SKYE might alien me?

yeah we're agreeing here, what's the plan for ExeLo, just push SKYE / Dunn and hope Akarin buys it?
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Post Post #53 (ISO) » Thu Nov 26, 2020 2:25 am

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oh wait you're already tracking her, do i do that regardless?
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Post Post #54 (ISO) » Thu Nov 26, 2020 12:31 pm

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In post 52, Gypyx wrote:wouldn't a reflexive voyeur know what kind of actions were performed on the players targeting me? Or am I just minsundersteanding reflexive?
Oh nevermind, you're actually right, I was being dumb.

So yeah, reflexive follower, not reflexive voyeur.
In post 52, Gypyx wrote:yeah we're agreeing here, what's the plan for ExeLo, just push SKYE / Dunn and hope Akarin buys it?
Pretty much, yeah.
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Post Post #55 (ISO) » Thu Nov 26, 2020 12:32 pm

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In post 53, Gypyx wrote:oh wait you're already tracking her, do i do that regardless?
Considering that if SKYE isn't targeting TGP they're targeting me--that's fine, it guarantees we get at least one result regardless.
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Post Post #56 (ISO) » Thu Nov 26, 2020 12:33 pm

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(Basically, if SKYE targets me, then the TGP kill goes through.
If SKYE targets TGP, then TGP gets no investigation result.
Win-win for us.)
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Post Post #57 (ISO) » Thu Nov 26, 2020 12:37 pm

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And if SKYE targets me (which is really possible imo) that a bruh moment

Anyways, i hope akarin doesn't revaluate if that's our plan... like i have a bad feeling about this
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Post Post #58 (ISO) » Sat Nov 28, 2020 12:43 pm

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If SKYE targets you, you have the plausible cover that scum nightkilled you, thus the lack of a nightkill. You're universally townread so they'd not suspect the other possibility.
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Post Post #59 (ISO) » Sat Nov 28, 2020 12:49 pm

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Ah right, and we would be MixLo anyways

I'm also gonna be very limited access the coming days, so you'll be kinda on your own
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Post Post #60 (ISO) » Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:29 pm

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mastina receives no result.
gypyx hears from akarin: "dunnstral is
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Post Post #61 (ISO) » Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:34 pm

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Post Post #62 (ISO) » Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:35 pm

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In post 61, Gypyx wrote:Fuck
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Post Post #63 (ISO) » Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:37 pm

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Well, i'm off to sleep, hope i'll dream of a game-winning plan or something
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Post Post #64 (ISO) » Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:38 pm

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Does SKYE / You feels like a possible scumteam?
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Post Post #65 (ISO) » Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:56 pm

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In post 63, Gypyx wrote:Well, i'm off to sleep, hope i'll dream of a game-winning plan or something
The best plan: get Akarin to be onboard for a SKYE elimination today; an innocent on Dunnstral does no good if we win today.

In fact it's pretty much our only wincon.

Akarin needs to die if one of us is eliminated today because Akarin can investigate again.
But Dunnstral, as conftown, will be the deciding vote...and he thinks, correctly, that we're both scum.

We can't frame Dunnstral as a Godfather, because hard innocents are guaranteed to be accurate.

We could hope Akarin is seen as suspicious, but this is less likely.
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Post Post #66 (ISO) » Sat Nov 28, 2020 2:24 pm

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Current plan: wait for Akarin to out the innocent, then town it up by listing all of the possible worlds we live in, and going through the game trying to assess how likely the are.
(For the record, when Akarin claims, the possible worlds from my perspective will be:
Akarin is scum with Dunnstral, faking an innocent on her scumbuddy in lylo;
Akarin is scum with SKYEscrapers, faking or having a genuine innocent on Dunnstral to win his trust in lylo;
Akarin is scum with Gypyx, faking or having a genuine innocent on Dunnstral, banking on us eliminating SKYEscrapers;
Akarin is town with a genuine innocent on Dunnstral, and the scumteam is SKYE-Gypyx.)
Replace 'Gypyx' with 'mastina' in the above to get your views after Akarin claims the result. (Be very very careful that it's only posted AFTER the result is publicly claimed.)
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Post Post #67 (ISO) » Sat Nov 28, 2020 3:06 pm

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Okay Dunnstral's claim works to our favor here in a SKYE elimination.
When Akarin comes to claim the innocent on Dunn, then it sets up for an easy SKYE vote.
Dunn might vote for SKYE.
Akarin might vote for SKYE.
I should vote for SKYE.
You of course can vote for SKYE, too.

Looks like we might have it.
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Post Post #68 (ISO) » Sat Nov 28, 2020 3:15 pm

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New plan: eliminate SKYE. It's our best shot at winning.

If I am eliminated instead, then we've got bad odds, but I think the best plan is:
If Dunnstral does not specify who he's aliening, then kill him. If he does, then you need to no-kill and try to win in the 4p mylo.

But really, looks like the plan here is to eliminate SKYE.
You shouldn't vote unless it's a hammer.
I also shouldn't be quick to vote, need to garner the towncred first.
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Post Post #69 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 10:05 pm

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Okay so it may not be a SKYE elimination, but yeah, the plan is to basically try and solidify that, yes, there is scum in SKYE and Dunn and force the town to vote each other so that regardless of who we hammer, we eliminate town today.

I feel like I genuinely have reasonably good setup for this, too. :P
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Post Post #70 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 10:10 pm

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Tbh when reading your posts i was like "wow... she actually makes sense, is this what a good scum look like?"

Anyways, i'm ready to completely ruin all of that by slipping associative stuff with you
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Post Post #71 (ISO) » Mon Nov 30, 2020 2:09 am

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In post 70, Gypyx wrote:Tbh when reading your posts i was like "wow... she actually makes sense, is this what a good scum look like?"
Yes, actually. This is the best scumgame I've had in two years. :P

As for what you should do, I would play a voice of caution, try to work out the possible teams from your perspective, try to logic it out, play it slowly and put in the effort to reanalyze the thread, point out your game-long Akarin suspicion, maybe contest me on me being impossible to be scum (that is, question my assertations), avoid voting, avoid committing to a hard stance, but do take stances backed with reason and analysis, as much as you can.

Basically you don't want to make SKYE be convinced you're scum, so favor Dunnstral-Akarin as scum, but don't overplay it too hard. You don't want to antagonize SKYE but you don't want to hard-hard-buddy them, either. Just present yourself intelligently and intellectually.

And, probably, post only when you think you need to. You being less active means you're less in the spotlight, less in the foreground, more in the background, and that's probably what benefits us the most. Lurking might be a bit of a cheap strategy, but while I can fend for myself fairly well, you might not fare as well if put under heavy pressure, so here it's probably the winning play.

Pick up activity if you think you need to, but be inactive if you think you can get away with it.
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Post Post #72 (ISO) » Mon Nov 30, 2020 5:45 pm

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Subject: 976: mystyry box of sylvyr I: isis game. day 3
schadd_ wrote:hi all. following night 1, i should have informed doubtingthomas that they were visited by dunnstral. that PM was not sent. i think it is most appropriate that this become public information. sorry for issues this has caused
I would like to say that I feel like this is very very poorly handled a resolution and you may as well call the game right here and now due to making it--
By publicly, PUBLICLY, confirming that Dunnstral's claimed role is real, by publicly confirming that Dunnstral's role is real, you're basically publicly confirming he is town.

By publicly confirming that he is town, it becomes impossible to eliminate him, in a lylo situation where there's only three town players to eliminate.
By publicly confirming that he is town, it also by proxy gives credence to Akarin, too.

By making this public, there's no real point in the game continuing--Dunnstral is basically mod-confirmed town. His slot is mod-compromised by the public reveal that his claim is true.
Because he is mod-confirmed to be telling the truth, scum literally cannot win here.
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Post Post #73 (ISO) » Mon Nov 30, 2020 7:33 pm

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Yeah, i don't see a world where we win now, i agree
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Post Post #74 (ISO) » Tue Dec 01, 2020 8:21 am

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