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damn idk if this comes from scum!Glitch often, seems kind of genuineIn post 2570, Glitch wrote:
ShitIn post 2523, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Ok so something doesn't sit right with me.
Guillotine says he was shot, making it 2 kills last night, and then he takes it back when TGP, umlaut and NPOM catch him in a lie because limited-shot BPs are not told they lost a BP counter.
He tells us to scumhunt but it's critical that town knows how many kills there were last night in order to make an informed analysis.
Now here's what's interesting.
If he backtracks and says he wasn't told he was shot, then that leaves the door open for only one kill last night. Guillotine, since he's gambitting, would have known this.
So his Nero push is completely nonsensical.
Nero pocketed Norwee, why would he kill him if he's scum?
Why would Nero pick up on Glitch/DGB day 2 right where Norwee left off, if Norwee was killed to prevent him from going after his secondary reads after Pretentious?
It doesn't stand to reason that Nero would kill Norwee who believed him to be town, just to finish off what Norwee was going to do anyway.
But Guillotina brushes my concerns off and tries to make me believe there were two kills.
This whole Nero push was bullshit, he backtracked and said it's not Nero, it's one of the other players on his list, and was forced to retract his BP lie as well.
Guillotina is scum.
VOTE: Guillotina
ABR intimidates me so bad and I think it's because I literally live by his Guide to Hunting Scum on the wiki and he seems to be a prestigious player in my mind. This makes it so hard for me to sort him because he just feels so town in my mind but paranoia gets the best of me. I know Tayl0r Swift has been banned but I get the same vibes on ABR as I did from TS: freaking ridiculously hard to sort and I'm so bad at reading them.
ABR, why do you think the Nero push was bullshit originally? Is there more to it than the 6 player list of "herp derp there's a red check in here?" Or is that it? Or is it that you're TR'ing Nero so the push is shit?
I'm massive sus of Guillo but want to understand how you're thinking here.- innocentvillager
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i think this could definitely come from a vigIn post 2670, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
Same, you said it perfectly.In post 2658, Umlaut wrote:I'm just inherently skeptical of theories that posit additional killing roles when there's been one kill per night, and I can't decide if the weirdness of Nero's being that kill is enough evidence to overwhelm that skepticism.- innocentvillager
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it's also very possible i just die tonight lol and that scum hit me yesterday, tbh i think im one of the the towniest slots in the game rn
still don't know if mafia killed nero cain, still kind of doubt it but with how much assumption there is on mafia killing nero in-thread for whatever reason maybe it's not as ridiculous of a scenario as im thinking ??
i still don't buy the idea that the scumteam somehow has 4 lurkers all not paying enough attention to the game to realize town will probably speed-elim nero the next day
yeah think im here...??? could go for anyone in the bottom two tiers tbh
can't believe we have one ML left, what a fucking meme
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TGP has really been underwhelming, basically seems like they're not trying at all ("what is there to comment on" -type comments, as town the mindset should be to try and proactively solve, not just "comment")
the muh wagon just brew out of pure apathy, but i don't really care that we hit that slot tbh- innocentvillager
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again, if scum were never really being considered, scum can kind of just let the muh wagon happen naturally
if scum were kind of being considered, id imagine a scum or two to jump onto the wagon earlier to help it gain traction
there was a long lag between when Umlaut posted his muh case and it being re-brought up and people actually joining, will have to think about that- innocentvillager
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actually Vaxkiller was kind of townie, it actually looked like he was trying to do something in this fucking gamestate before he really unnaturally switched off of ABR to muh
it's too openwolfy of a move to come from scum but because scum have incentive to do this, this could be getting into too scummy to be scum fallacy- innocentvillager
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again, assuming scum were being kind of consideredIn post 58, innocentvillager wrote:it's too openwolfy of a move to come from scum but becausescum have incentive to do this, this could be getting into too scummy to be scum fallacy- innocentvillager
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unwnd was also trying to do stuff but for some reason that felt more NAI, I'm worried he's scum here taking advantage of the apathy to drive the town down a false narrative (a lot of his analysis was very narrativy and not specific) and power driving miselims
ofc it could just be town genuinely trying to make something happen and make sense of the gamestate. if i had interacted with them more I could've probably put out some tests to see if they would poke further or just ignore- innocentvillager
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me- 1BP tracker
Vaxkiller- VT
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unwnd- Neo Neighborizer (Verified) (possible scum, but unlikely, see below)
dgb- Rolestopper (Verified) (possible scum role)
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Noraa- VT
insanoflex- 2GS (verifiableISH) (unlikely scum role)
NPOM- VT
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TGP- VT
Gamma- VT
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if insano is scum, one of abr/tgp is scum, doubt it's both
if insano is town, Gamma/NPOM are probably just scum and one of abr/tgp is scum
so regardless, abr/tgp probably not aligned?
so possible teams with these assumptions are:
insano, abr, npom
insano, abr, gamma
insano, tgp, npom
insano, tgp, gamma
gamma, npom, abr
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jeez if ABR/Gamma are scum this was badIn post 50, innocentvillager wrote:{ABR, Umlaut, Gamma}
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i thinkkkk this is where I'm at
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leaning away from tgp and gamma being aligned
Subject: Large Normal 230 - Night 4
leavesGamma Emerald wrote:TGP is probably the only player here who might immediately grasp why I don’t kill Nero here
insano, abr, npom
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this.... kind of makes me think tgp and insano aren't aligned, but im not positiveInsanoflex wrote:In post 2639, TheGoldenParadox wrote:VOTE: nero cain
i'm balancing if this is like... kokusho's gambit from guillotina or if it's just a stupid lie, but to be totally honest nero drove the elimination on pretentious and then posted this after guillotine's supposed redcheck:
which makes me feel like this is a tmi scumslip and not the town response to an apparent cop guilty.In post 2614, Nero Cain wrote:like, I didn't think Guil had to be scum or anything but there's no way to get a guilty on me as I'm not a miller or scum so...
Is it just me, or does this look faked? Like, am I supposed to believe they opened the thread and laid down a vote without looking up 4 posts to see Nero had died and flipped green? Seems way more like an attempt to look town via acting ignorant than an actual mistake anyone would make.In post 2641, TheGoldenParadox wrote:oh. fuck. that's embarrassing.
there's.... no way nero could have been the scumkill right? it would have to be a vig?
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don't think discrediting your partner who is playing straightforward is something scum would want to doGlitch wrote:
So far my experience playing with town DGB is to just take her reads and flip them completely inside out and then they're accurate. Her reads are always so wrong when she's town and I've watched (particularly from the game I just modded) town!DGB be the scum MVP. I mean maybe it's just my limited experience with her but the scumhunting ability there is pretty twisted up from what I've seen and I'd be hesitant to follow her lead.In post 2659, DrippingGoofball wrote:SCUM who doesn't what to get involved with what he knows to be townie madness:
TOWNIE:In post 2465, Insanoflex wrote:Hey all. Still reading up on the game, only about halfway through right now. Might need another day to get fully caught up, trying to speedskim through the game in 24 hours gave me a headache.
SCUM who doesn't want this magical opportunity to slip with excessive discussion:In post 2469, innocentvillager wrote:to be clear, in normals there is no chance of a guilty cop check on an innocent unless they are miller right? So given guil is truthful and Nero is not Miller, he is CONFIRMED scum?
SCUM afraid to get compromised in the townie madness:In post 2470, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Making the day longer sucks for the player who knows for sure they are going to die. I've been in that position, and I don't wish it to my worst enemy. If everybody's checked in and had a chance to say their peace, yeet them swiftly and honorably.
TOWNwith critical thinking skills:In post 2504, TheGoldenParadox wrote:i'm caught up insofar as i am actively reading the game but yeah there's not much i want to comment onIn post 2506, Umlaut wrote:So, I've got a big problem with Guillotina's claim and it seems almost so obvious that I feel like I must be missing something here since everyone else believes it.
I am not aware of any normal role that would know if they were targeted for a kill at night but survived. Under Normal rules, a 1-Shot Bulletproof shouldn't be informed if they were shot at.In post 2436, Guillotina wrote:HARDCLAIM!!! I'M A 2-SHOT ALIGNMENT COP WITH A BULLETPROOF VEST!!! THE BULLETPROOF VEST WAS USED LAST NIGHT AS SOMEONE TARGETED ME!
I gambled claiming an ascetic modifier counting on scum's arrogance to not NK me just because I was no PR but it didn't work as it seems.
THIS ALSO MEANS THAT THEY GOTTA BE A COUPLE OF VIGILANTES OUT THERE!
Another question:
If you targeted someone and therefore knew they were guilty, why would you give us a list like this? If you out and tell us who is guilty, that makes sense. If you wait until later today to out, so that you can see how the day proceeds naturally and how wagons form, that makes sense. But what sense does it make to say "I checked one of these six people"? Including putting one and saying they'reMy redcheck is in this groupand I strongly believe that his partners could be in this group too
Nero Cain
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ABR (not as likely but there are a few things that don't match)
Let's hunt scum!not as likely... that pretty much gives away that ABR wasn't your target. What even is this claim?
I'm confident Umlaut is town but other than that I'm cautious to be okay with most of these reads. IV is acting like a confused townie today but yesterday's actions were freaking off and I won't just disregard that when considering my read on that slot.- innocentvillager
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