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Post Post #325 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:04 pm

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That's interesting. Pretty sure we even specifically caught Beeboy as scum purposefully running the replace out clock out too.
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Post Post #326 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:06 pm

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In post 277, unwnd wrote:This is just like Xenoblade 2 where the game played itself
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Post Post #327 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:08 pm

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In post 323, penguin_alien wrote:
In post 317, Spiffeh wrote:I wanted to kill both Cabd and FL N2 but I think MWNN said he could only kill unwnd cuz he was linked to him? If I'm being honest I didn't read most of my team's roles which is 100% on me, so I went along with him didn't verify myself

Was there a way we could have killed both if we used our night actions correctly?
Not at that point, but your use of the one forced link power designating Cabd as Driver when he'd claimed Blade was dubious. I'm not sure why the lock-on to unwnd Night One; unwnd was a solid player who wasn't getting miselim'd, but he wasn't driving town play as much as Cabd.

If you were going to live at all shooting RB84 was an option, since it's in the pool and it would have eliminated a strong town Blade role too. You also could have linked up with your roleblocker and blocked Cabd to be safe while killing FL. No guilty, cop shot lost, kill Cabd Night Three. That play overall assumes you (Spiffeh) are going deep and leaves your teammates dangling a bit, but you had to try something.

You also could have left the kill on unwnd as the 'factional kill' and used the 'vig shot' on someone like LLD who you could plausibly be scum reading there and make a big stand about how you were a town vig who wasn't going to be leashed to a pool, you shot your scum read, and you stand by it, etc., etc.
I think we made enough noise where Cabd wasn't assumed as the investigative.

I did a pretty good job making it look like I was an investigative trying to act like I wasn't an investigative trying to act like I was an investigative.

Probably should have just killed me Night 1. Cabd wasn't killable Night 1 because I commuted him. I guess there was no way of knowing, and Fermis was on scum, but yeah.

I don't know. There's a lot of moving parts. Probably needed to try to disrupt town and take more action.

(not you, Spiffeh, you came in late and almost at point of no return, and I even started towning you more than I did Guillo.)
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Post Post #328 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:09 pm

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In post 322, SirCakez wrote:bork what would you say were the big scum night errors?
1) Whiffing on the Guillo link both nights
2) whiffing on the link redirect attempt - noraa supplied you with a pretty good roadmap to get value out of that
3) Not utilizing beeboy blade ability pretty much at all - I gave you so many Driver/Blade's so that you had freedom to get roleblock/track value if you feel you needed it.
4) unwnd was a weird shot in that i felt it was the worst of both worlds -- not someone who you could potentially say was a vig shot because I think they were pretty town but also not someone that was likely to be a PR based on any claims that had come forward at the time or was trying to strongarm your team to death
5) not really doing enough analysis on in-thread claims. Town was picking up on stuff that scum wasn't because town was putting in the effort to read.

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Post Post #329 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:10 pm

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the scum team just gave up after I died so it was impossible to get anything
+ Cabd became defacto town leader and there's no way to out charisma/out play that dude
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Post Post #330 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:10 pm

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I agree unwnd shot made little sense
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Post Post #331 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:11 pm

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oh, i forgot, guillo/spiffeh role didn't link N2 so he could do "vig stuff"

guillo claiming zeke was the wrong play too.
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Post Post #332 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:12 pm

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guillo needed to be linking with people and having blades ask drivers why they didn't come by that night
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Post Post #333 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:13 pm

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I thought I could have legitimately made a run for it for awhile if we were actually able to kill Cabd and FL Night 2 like I thought we were able to initially

Obviously that wasn't possible and I was copped anyway but I did feel better about it having NachoMuffin on my side and I planned to basically just post a lot Day 3 and try to take control that way

I enjoyed this game even though we were stomped because there was literally no pressure, it's nice knowing that no matter how badly you do there's no way you can disappoint your scum team because they've all already been PoE'd :lol:
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Post Post #334 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:16 pm

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I would like to say that I have NEVER felt bad about rolling scum and having townies vouch for me only to have it backfire for them, UNTIL Nacho fought so hard for me Day 2 and saved me.

I really do appreciate him giving me a chance even though I ended up being scum and I felt a little dirty after that ;____;
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Post Post #335 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:16 pm

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i am not the sort of person that is ever gonna harangue someone for suboptimal play - i'd be a world class hypocrite if i did that. Sometimes you just misplay and the game gets away from you. That's life.

Once it starts becoming the blame game to avoid being accountable or you take your ball and go home, or just being irrevocably rude to people is where I stop being on peoples' side. And I don't think anyone who has access to this thread is guilty of any of that, but it did happen this game and it makes me sad.
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Post Post #336 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:16 pm

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@FL, yeah, no, still kill you N2, but they couldn't kill both you and Cabd because role mechanics. Next best thing to do was block Cabd as a failsafe since they weren't doing anything else with it anyways. They could have reversed that too, blocked you and killed Cabd, but the question posted was if they could neutralize you both N2.
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Post Post #337 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:18 pm

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In post 329, SirCakez wrote:the scum team just gave up after I died so it was impossible to get anything
+ Cabd became defacto town leader and there's no way to out charisma/out play that dude
I think I could slip into cracks, but yeah, Cabd was driving, and I was solidly sitting with my feet on the dash in the passenger seat.
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Post Post #338 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:19 pm

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In post 303, borkjerfkin wrote:
In post 5072, Spiffeh wrote:VOTE: Spiffeh

Wish I was able to play from the beginning :(
i do too man
I literally saw this game get approved by UT to start signups and told myself to remember to check back when the sign up thread was up

But I forgot for awhile and when I came back the game was full :(

Still glad I was able to replace in though! I liked playing with a lot of these guys again even though it was shortlived and under unfavorable circumstances

And it's a really cool setup too, it's a shame a lot of the mechanics didn't really get much time to cshine
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Post Post #339 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:19 pm

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I really wanna do one of those Titus vs Alisae like games on the scum side.

I thought it'd be cool to do like RadiantCowbells (2019 Paragon) vs Flavor Leaf (2019 Don Cor) but they asked to be banned for a year.

Cabd vs Flavor Leaf in a Titus vs Alisae like game. could be good fun.
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Post Post #340 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:20 pm

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Spiffeh join my Tenet game going into signups soon :D :D :D
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Post Post #341 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:20 pm

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I would for sure play that game

Titus vs. Alisae was really fun even though I died N1
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Post Post #342 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:21 pm

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Spiffeh I don't blame you at all

I appreciate that even to the brink of death, you still were trying

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Post Post #343 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:21 pm

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That previous post was @ FL

Cakez I'll look into it, depends on the playerlist xD
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Post Post #344 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:23 pm

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If I were to make an assumption of my death, largely just based on associative and the fact I was just bleeding town

I imagine to them the idea was just kill the people who were townie but might not get protected
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Post Post #345 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:24 pm

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Thanks unwnd, for the record I remember reading some of your posts from Day 1 and thinking to myself that I would have tried to link up w/ you (not in a game-mechanics way, in a Day play way) if I were town because your posts were a breath of fresh air after wading through a lot of the...trash...from the first like 90 pages
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Post Post #346 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:24 pm

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It's fitting we died together, Unwnd.
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Post Post #347 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:25 pm

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In post 314, Tammy wrote:Hi spiffeh you’d been in from the start

And been town!
Hi Tammy, sorry we missed each other!

Tell Nacho I appreciate what he did for me even though it wasn't really in his best interest

Also I highly recommend playing Xenoblade Chronicles 2!!!
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Post Post #348 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:26 pm

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In post 345, Spiffeh wrote:Thanks unwnd, for the record I remember reading some of your posts from Day 1 and thinking to myself that I would have tried to link up w/ you (not in a game-mechanics way, in a Day play way) if I were town because your posts were a breath of fresh air after wading through a lot of the...trash...from the first like 90 pages
Gosh I super appreciate that, I sometimes think my ideals are antiquated and I suffer from not being able to adapt to the stronger get-my-way style
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Post Post #349 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:27 pm

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In post 346, Flavor Leaf wrote:It's fitting we died together, Unwnd.
Hahaha absolutely

I realized I was just being excessive, but I don't regret the engagement
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