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Post Post #350 (ISO) » Sun Dec 06, 2020 11:23 am

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Who in town do you think will be hardest to convince?
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Post Post #351 (ISO) » Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:31 pm

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I'm thinking Alch will want to keep being pocketed but if he's the kill, that simplifies things
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Post Post #352 (ISO) » Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:58 pm

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It really depends on the kill. If it's one of us, then convincing becomes a whole lot easier because we become confirmed town. We don't have to argue our towniness only our reads. Then we just have to have an explanation for any "concern" they have. We won't have to look town at that point, we just have to be right. On the downside, it's probably me who dies as I'm more aware of their meta. If it's one of us, make sure to call out scum may quick hammer to prevent conversation.

If it's Alch (which if scum are smart they will do) then it becomes BattleMage becomes the hardest to convince. However, that problem may go away if Titus/FL/outer push BM thinking I still scumread him.
If they kill Battle Mage, then yeah Alch's gonna be the hardest but the way you and I stayed off the NPOM will help a lot.

If it's no elim (Possible if they want to keep Alch as their puppet or as a miselim as FL was forced to hint at at the end. ) Then it becomes mostly a war of convincing people we're town. BM thinks I am town but useless/incorrect after misidentifying a slip. It's still a super suspicious phrasing, but there simply isn't room for scum BM here. If they kill no elim, you need to be the one to suggest the scum team here. Then I support you to make sure BM stays on board.

Pretty much if they kill outside of us, the argument becomes convince people we are town which becomes a doable conversation. I think we can but we'll be on two fronts, since we've only pushed one miselim together which granted was necessary instead of a NPOM elim the "cop" instead of the guilty. We have to pitch it to Alchemist like Titus and FL don't make these newbie mistakes and show them how we've been sound at our foundation. That our core is town. Titus+FL will try to put us on the defensive and try to cause us to mess up. This is where you have to KNOW you're right.

If scum don't kill us, they are betting on winning tomorrow and getting an elim that is not scum. They'll be betting all the marbles. Because then they'll have to kill one of us the next night. The alternative becomes hilariously stupid easy to argue against.

They're better off playing for all the marbles here, but Flavor Leaf will have to convince Titus of that. Considering they didn't kill one of us last night, Flavor Leaf is likely in charge of the kill here. Mainly the ball's in scum's court and we have to play defense and stop them from eliming. Titus will warn Flavor Leaf, I don't go down easy. So if anything they push you if they leave both of us alive. They will perceive you as the weak link. They're wrong, but you're an unknown.

No matter what, we need to keep the game slow to keep no elim engaged. This is going to be the opposite of my nature. Focus on large wall posting wherever possible. Copy paste cases and prewrite stuff in notepad where you have to. Titus and Flavor Leaf will try to emotionally play you. Do not sink to it. Put on music or something born or hyper (depending upon what makes you awesome).

You've got this and got some makings for a killer deadly town on site. I like how you're speaking up and out and that's hard to get newer players to do. This may be a test of that. Win or Lose know I'm proud of you okay?
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Post Post #353 (ISO) » Sun Dec 06, 2020 1:02 pm

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Another thing they may try spitballing is having Titus and FL immediately argue with each other. Simply due to the kill problems they have. They'll only do this if they kill one of us. In this case take it, but continue to push that it's both + Outer. Likely one person will be defending "badly" if one is meant to go down. More than likely FL scum claims if this is the case. That's why if you're alone you control the narrative by immediately voting either FL or Titus. They don't get a chance to scum theatre that way.
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Post Post #354 (ISO) » Sun Dec 06, 2020 1:06 pm

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They'll probably do this to make one "look" in the pocket of the other. The instant vote + my notes (spoilered earlier) with cases will help.

If you get time also post my color coded wagons to help people. At that time people will know they are true and will help Titus.
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Post Post #355 (ISO) » Sun Dec 06, 2020 1:08 pm

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I'm kinda hoping they kill you tbh, but I don't realistically see that happening, so I'm trying to focus on coaching you. I hope I'm not overwhelming you.
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Post Post #356 (ISO) » Sun Dec 06, 2020 7:14 pm

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Thanks for the kind words. I’ll just post some thoughts and notes here as I think of them.

Q: why didn’t scum!titus take the opportunity to shade town!BM over the slip?

A: to not lend credibility to MathBlade, and because scum didn’t want to distract from the NPOM elim they needed
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Post Post #357 (ISO) » Sun Dec 06, 2020 11:33 pm

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A: (adding on) There is a common “Math sucks” narrative due to some completely atrocious bad play I have done in the past. I equated scummy = scum and well... long story short it was bad. Don’t be surprised if scum go “Math sucks and has horrible reads. Their heart is in the right place but they’re wrong” or something like that. You can kinda see hints of that when FL says “You just want me to be scum” and stuff like that.
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Post Post #358 (ISO) » Sun Dec 06, 2020 11:39 pm

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A: (Still adding on) Scum!Titus quick hammers every time here to ensure the town elim. It is very much in her “meta” to do this. 2061 is an out to where if BM is town she is hedging bets. Town!Titus sticks around every time to get me to scumread BM.
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Post Post #359 (ISO) » Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:57 am

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I am due to clock out a little after flip. I will have around 30 minutes for lunch. If I time it down to the minute I may be on pre flip but I doubt it. If I am not on <3 You got this!
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Post Post #360 (ISO) » Mon Dec 07, 2020 1:50 pm

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Made it back in time due to a slow day.

You rock! :) You will kick ass.
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Post Post #361 (ISO) » Mon Dec 07, 2020 1:58 pm

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And safe (FL) or go big go home (Titus) either is good.

As long as you’re having fun it’s all good :)

You will be awesome. If you need to post to yourself thoughts in here and question yourself.
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Post Post #362 (ISO) » Mon Dec 07, 2020 2:48 pm

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--Day 4 has begun. MathBlade may not post.
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Post Post #363 (ISO) » Mon Dec 07, 2020 2:59 pm

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;_;7

I’ll wait for the others to post, give Titus a little time to do the VCA tell, and then I’ll force the wagon.
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Post Post #364 (ISO) » Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:10 pm

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Hey, here’s a strategy: I’ll self-vote and watch it to see who tries to dogpile me.

Nah, jk
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Post Post #365 (ISO) » Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:55 pm

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