Open 66 - Quack Multiball (Game over) before 584

[JDodge]

Vote: Pink Puppy

I investigated him last night. He's scum.

yet you clearly weren't investigating closely enough to figure out the correct gender

GOOD GOING.

[JDodge]

Agreed. However, the votecount is so pretty that I want it to stay there.


Also, my information tells me that Hasd is a fugly man-slut. This is code for scum.

Unvote, Vote: hasdasdkfasdjf;akdsfjdsafas

You are a liar. I am no man. I am a cow. LAL. Aegor needs more votes guys, he's a filthy liar.

Do you believe that in the current climate of mafia as a whole, that Lynch All Liars is still a valid meta-strategy?

[JDodge]

Hello. I am female.

Also, what is Near talking about?

vote Near

I am talking about mod's post where he says the pms of the quacks are vastly different from the pms of real doctors. At first I thought he wasn't being sarcastic because two people who say those things are different: one's "voice in your head" and the other one is a "sexy nurse". But I realized that mod was being sarcastic when i looked my pm.

2 gender mistakes in as many pages. KEEP IT UP, PEOPLE

[JDodge]

Vote: Cream

Too scummy argument.

[JDodge]

Near: Why are you giving advice to the scum?

[JDodge]

Unvote, vote: Near

Surely by now if you were town you would have realized your mistake.

[JDodge]

Unvote, vote: Near

Surely by now if you were town you would have realized your mistake.

No, I have not. Enlighten me.

Read the second post of the thread and enlighten yourself.

[JDodge]

When did i ever say that I didnt think near was scum?

So you think I am a scum. Tell me why.

Near: Why are you giving advice to the scum?

Unvote, Vote: JDodge

Because I think he was cofused with my test. He probably thought that hasd was scum (on the other team maybe) and hasd fell into the trap without knowing what the trap was because I said things like "check your pm and re-read my post". Then he found out from mod's post that townies have no way to tell quack from a doctor.

"Trap". How

convenient

.

[JDodge]

Glork, you do realize that I was commenting on Near's argument you just quoted, correct?

Just making sure there's no misunderstanding here.

[JDodge]

Dont you guys think JDodge is suspicious for saying "Near: why are you trying to help the scum" when i told hasd to re-read the pm and then re-read my post?

Jdodge, what were you thinking?

1) I'm suspicious for forgetting to quote what I was talking about, even though it has already been noted what I meant?

2) You're really not in a position to say "what were you thinking" as scum or town.

[JDodge]

I answered your question, Near. Plugging your ears and going "LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU" is not good mafia play.

[JDodge]

As for Jdodge, I still don't see your answer. Can you please recap what you meant by "Why are you trying to help a scum"?

I'll give you the post numbers tomorrow when I have a bit more time than I do now, although it annoys me having to go back through my posts to search out something for someone too lazy to actually read them.

[JDodge]

Unvote, vote: Evil

Could be tempted over to muffin or cream. Rather easily, even.

[JDodge]

I am rather apathetic towards your plan.

[JDodge]

Yes. I have been avoiding your question from several pages ago. I want it to eat away at you so I can see what your core is like.

[JDodge]

If it were me:

No lynch. Lynching ruins the plan rather well.

Glork-Zu
Cream-Gorrad
Puppy-Aegor
Near-JD
cow-PD
muffin-evil

[JDodge]

Unvote, vote: No Lynch

[JDodge]

Gorrad, please stop acting dense. Glork is entirely correct.

Vote: muffinhead

[JDodge]

From a purely statistics package, it would actually seem tons more likely that muffin is scum when you consider the lack of massive bloodbath last night.

[JDodge]

Unvote, vote: Gorrad

I've only ever seen Gorrad this stubborn on a hopeless argument when he was scum.

[JDodge]

Portal Mafia

See my day one attack on YWN.[/url]

Not really the same manner there, Mr. Fancy Pants.

[JDodge]

Why are we lynching Aegor again? I'm not seeing the case on him.

[JDodge]

Is that scumminess or is it stupidity? I'm more inclined to believe the latter and continue going after Gorrad. He seems strangely less adamant now that it's been said that he's tunnel-visioned as scum

[JDodge]

Yeah, it's scuminess. It's stupidity too, but scum is the much more likely option, as they would want optimal kills (AKA JD and Muffin targetting each other).

Aegor, I want you dead. If we have to not lynch, I don't want to be paired with you, 'cause you're scum.

I'm really neutral on whether or not we have a list. If we do and have an odd number, we can just have a triangle or protects. I see some plusses, but the benefits of the random factor can't be underestimated.

Gorrad: Are you still of the belief that both me and muffin are town?

[JDodge]

I did answer Glork in that we've been through that discussion several times. My ideas on the matter haven't changed. If he wants to reread my earlier posts, he can be my guest.

That question was: "Why do you think JD and muffin are quack".
Your answer was: "My plan covers them being protown and being scum".

Ok, now you're just not reading.

So instead of clarifying what you said, or even quoting it to show where you were saying it, or even giving a

post number

for it, you dismiss it with "you're just not reading". Why is this?

And please give an actual answer instead of dodging the question again.

[JDodge]

a) Decide whom to lynch, then decide what plan for the night we wish to follow

JD

Glork, is this related to me saying that I was fairly certain (and deemed it statistically more likely) that one of me/muffin was scum and then moved to Gorrad once everyone moved off of muffin and seemed to be tending towards Gorrad?

Just wondering.

[JDodge]

OMG, muffin, don't target anyone. OMG.


Anyway, I don't like Gorrad's response. He endlessly repeats that I'm scum, says that he won't stop trying to get me lynched, etc. Then no one joins his bandwagon, and he just leaves instead of helping to determine a decent plan (remember, he is voting me because mine wasn't) or even pushing for my lynch. Sketchy.

I've BEEN pushing your lynch, what do you mean I left? I'm still voting you, remember?

When I die, make sure Aegor and zu_Faul are on the chopping block for tommorow.

Does this zu suspicion have anything to do with the fact that he just rightly called you a hypocrite?

[JDodge]

Well, this is far from the first time I've expressed suspicions of him, but yes, this latest excuse for a post certainly backs them up.

So do you agree that his calling you a hypocrite is correct?

I'm just wondering. Don't give me the long-drawn out response about different circumstances, etc. Personally I don't see hypocrisy as a scumtell from you considering you tend to pay more attention to having consistency in your arguments as scum. But that has no bearing on this question.

[JDodge]

I think that the scum are more likely to kill me tonight then they were to kill their targets last night. I don't think it's hypocrisy, just his taking my statements out of context.

So, why do you not want to be paired with Aegor?

[JDodge]

I think that the scum are more likely to kill me tonight then they were to kill their targets last night. I don't think it's hypocrisy, just his taking my statements out of context.

So, why do you not want to be paired with Aegor?

Because I think both scum wasted or didn't use their night kill yesterday to screw with Glork. They won't do so again. It would be stupid. The smart thing to do would be to leave you and Muffin open, and hope they kill y'all (the chance one of y'all are scum is one they won't ignore). However, seein' as how I'm pushing the lynch of a scum so hard, they could just as easily kill me.

So... You think the scum didn't use their NK to screw with

one player

in the game or otherwise wasted it, but they won't do it again because it would be stupid? Why would scum want Glork screwed with? Why wouldn't they just kill him if they didn't want him to be a problem?

On top of that, I would be forced to protect someone I in all honesty REALLY find scummy. If he isn't lynched today, I would certainly hope he be nightkilled. And if I'm paired with him, that's not even possible.

Yet if you protect him,

assuming that you are town

, you can deduce something of his alignment from your result:

1. Aegor dies, you're a quack
2. Aegor lives, you're a doctor or you are a quack and he is scum

You hope that Aegor gets nightkilled. You being paired up with him gives you a 75% chance of him dying - if you're town. Why do you dislike the idea so much then? As you have said before, you have no problem with pro-town players dying (quacks).

Sorry for my lack of posting. This is due to the following things:

1. Work
2. School
3. Absolute hatred of playing with Glork

I'll be more active now that my schedule is less hectic.

[JDodge]

JDodge, where did you pull that 75% chance of Aegor dying from. I'm not seeing it...at all.

Gah - I was unintentionally assuming that Aegor was town.

If gorrad = town and aegor = town then there is a 75% chance of Gorrad being a quack and thus killing Aegor.

[JDodge]

Oooooh, 2 quacks and 6

doctors

.

I'm dense like that.

[JDodge]

Oooooh, 2 quacks and 6

doctors

.

I'm dense like that.

Could you at least explain, beginning-to-end, what you were thinking? I'm really confused as well.

I was thinking that there were 6 quacks and 2 doctors, which would give Gorrad (if town) a 75% of killing town-Aegor if paired with town-Aegor and the 0% chance of killing scum-Aegor (quack-immune)

[JDodge]

2) You're setting up the lynch of someone who could be valuable two nights from now

We have already determined that I am a quack - how am I useful at all as opposed to anyone else?

3) You're specifically stating that JD should be lynched instead of you, while lynching you would have similar reasons

Do you set up your own lynch often, Gorrad?

[JDodge]

We don't lose until one scumgroup outnumbers us. That's not the case in a 3/2/2 situation. If it was one team, you'd be very right and I wouldn't have suggested it.

The third-night deal is indeed assuming there's a crosskill or scum lynch. Hence why I said it depends on night results.

3/2/2

We lynch town

Worst case scenario, 0/2/2. Best case, 2/1/1.

3/2/2, we lynch scum

Worst case scenario, 1/1/2. Best case, 3/0/1.

I'd say "not really worth it" myself.

[JDodge]

Aegor, I've said before why I'm not posting in this game. Why are you ignoring this?

I would ask for replacement, but I don't really want to trouble kore with it.

[JDodge]

You posted a week ago that work, school, and hating playing with Glork were bothering you. You said your schedule had cleared up. You have made very little contribution to the game (in my opinion) in terms of original thoughts, and you haven't particularly demonstrated any interest in hunting scum. You seem to be posting minimally. I think that you are a good lynch for today.

It's true. I did. I have. I am. I'm not.

The question therein is not one of that, but is lurking in this particular context scummy, and how so?

[JDodge]

You posted a week ago that work, school, and hating playing with Glork were bothering you. You said your schedule had cleared up. You have made very little contribution to the game (in my opinion) in terms of original thoughts, and you haven't particularly demonstrated any interest in hunting scum. You seem to be posting minimally. I think that you are a good lynch for today.

It's true. I did. I have. I am. I'm not.

The question therein is not one of that, but is lurking in this particular context scummy, and how so?

The fact that u r either quack or scum and since u most likly wont be here for tomorrow.

Also jd- am i a ghost to u or something because i have said all my suspecisions then just voted for u and u r arguing against aegor? The fact ur not defending urself makes u even more scummy.

It's more that I don't really care about your vote. Much like I didn't care about Glork's vote earlier aside from asking if it was for whatever reason I stated.

[JDodge]

You posted a week ago that work, school, and hating playing with Glork were bothering you. You said your schedule had cleared up. You have made very little contribution to the game (in my opinion) in terms of original thoughts, and you haven't particularly demonstrated any interest in hunting scum. You seem to be posting minimally. I think that you are a good lynch for today.

It's true. I did. I have. I am. I'm not.

The question therein is not one of that, but is lurking in this particular context scummy, and how so?

The fact that u r either quack or scum and since u most likly wont be here for tomorrow.

Also jd- am i a ghost to u or something because i have said all my suspecisions then just voted for u and u r arguing against aegor? The fact ur not defending urself makes u even more scummy.

It's more that I don't really care about your vote. Much like I didn't care about Glork's vote earlier aside from asking if it was for whatever reason I stated.

So let me get this straight. U have 4 votes and only care about 1 of them?

A line that comes to mind from day 1. We have found certain scum, lets lynch now.

You're riding my wagon. Puppy's riding my wagon. I would imagine that Glork won't give a reason anyways so it's fairly pointless to even bother.

That leaves 1 vote to care about. Ergo, I will focus on that as much as I wish to.

[JDodge]

JD, given that you are EITHER a quack or scum, I think that that already is an iffy scenario. Compounded with your lurking (you posted in other games more frequently), I think that you are scum. You have demonstrated no pro-towniness as far as I can tell, and that is worthy of note, as is the uncertainty about your alignment.

Please don't assume I'm focusing completely on you. Although I want you lynched, I am completely aware of the lurking of other players, and have no intent of letting that continue.

This doesn't answer my question - this avoids it entirely with one of those arguments that politicians use.

[JDodge]

I'm pretty sure that I still only really care about Aegor's vote, which is for lurking which I have explained the reasons for. I have absolutely no motivation for this game at all, to be entirely honest. I've been trying to get back into it, but have been unable to.

[JDodge]

question jd, if u dont want to play this game then y dont u get replaced?

Because I've already invested too much time into it to give up like that. I'd rather try to get over it and ease myself back into this game than to just leave it.

Never like that I wasn't. Besides, in my first game ever (scumchat) I played the newbie card as SK and almost won with it. I'm generally forgiving of newbies. But muffin's play is frankly unexcusable in my opinion.

Did you play the newbie card because you thought it would help you win, or because you made a legitimate excuse? The issue with the second is that it is essentially a coincidental association at best - there is no real logical basis to assume that anyone using the newbie card is more likely to be scum.

Now surly if he was quack he would have intrest in this game, thats what confuses me.

Why is this necessarily true?

Your latest attack on JDodge is BS. The reason why I want to lynch is because I see JDodge playing this game like mafia 70 (where he was town). It is impossible to say whether he is town or scum and I am pretty sure he will lurk and not contribute (and not be replaced) throughout the game regardless his alignment. That's just the way JDodge plays when he's not really into a particular game. You just have to accept that he is going to get lynched at some point and move on.

What is your actual opinion of whether I am town or scum?

[JDodge]

Scum would be less intresting then quack because it is much rareer to be quack then scum. Every game has scum, however not everygame has quacks. Correct me if im wrong but this is the only game with quacks currently going. Now assuming that jd has never been a quack then surly he would be intrested to see how it feels.

I've been a quack. See the original Quack. Open 28 I believe it was. It's not fun. Here is where your theory falls first. Then you make the false assumption that because a role is rarer, it is more fun. That is the second place your theory fails. Then you make the assumption that I joined this game because I liked the setup - this is also patently false. I joined because I wanted to be in the game kore was modding. That makes 3 failure points.

Now if jd stuck to the night 1 plans then hes either quack or scum. Now both these roles would be very intresting. However for scum, they have the choice of hanging back and not saying anything to hide themselves looking sus or post alot.

Anyone has the choice of hanging back and not saying anything. That makes 4 failure points. Any questions?

[JDodge]

Scum would be less intresting then quack because it is much rareer to be quack then scum. Every game has scum, however not everygame has quacks. Correct me if im wrong but this is the only game with quacks currently going. Now assuming that jd has never been a quack then surly he would be intrested to see how it feels.

I've been a quack. See the original Quack. Open 28 I believe it was. It's not fun. Here is where your theory falls first. Then you make the false assumption that because a role is rarer, it is more fun. That is the second place your theory fails. Then you make the assumption that I joined this game because I liked the setup - this is also patently false. I joined because I wanted to be in the game kore was modding. That makes 3 failure points.

Now if jd stuck to the night 1 plans then hes either quack or scum. Now both these roles would be very intresting. However for scum, they have the choice of hanging back and not saying anything to hide themselves looking sus or post alot.

Anyone has the choice of hanging back and not saying anything. That makes 4 failure points. Any questions?

Yes one question, why didnt you come out and explain this as soon as u went on L-1.

See prior reasons for not posting.

I don't know. On a purely instinctual level, I am not completely comfortable with the notion that he is town. What happens tonight might prompt me to think about him more.

Is there a notion that he is town?

What is this supposed to mean?

Furthermore, what is this question supposed to accomplish?

[JDodge]

JDodge, throughout the entire game, there was absolutely no interaction between Aegor and Glork unless forced by Glork. That is a scum tell. IIRC, Aegor did something similar with Xyzzy in his newbie as scum. (I will have to check it though)

Add to that a moderate amount of distancing Glork did with Aegor today and I am leaning towards Aegor/Glork scum group.

Like Glork, I think this is quite an interesting theory. You are correct, xyzzy and I did successfully do something similar in Newbie 445, my first game. However, that was a game with seven players. This is one that started with five more.

Why does the number of players affect your strategy so much when you consider that the scum:town ratios are rather close to each other and both have 2-person scumgroups?

I haven't really mentioned everyone anyway, such as PD except to implicitly refer to him as lurker. There hasn't been much to say about Glork at this point, in my opinion.

Hasn't Glork been contributing probably more than most everyone in this game? How can you say there's nothing to say about him?

As I said, I am quite uncomfortable with him for some reason.

If you absolutely, positively

had

to assign a reason to this, what would it be?

The outcomes and direction of the game will tell me whether he's benevolent or has simply been screwing up the town.

So let me get this straight - you are going to avoid taking a stance on Glork until late-game?

Sir T, please answer the second of my two questions.

[JDodge]

See V/LA thread. Thanks.