Sid Meier's Civilization 5 UPick Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Varsoon]

@Elbirn:
1. Why are you so adamant to argue me down from believing in you?
If my rationale for doing so is flawed, so be it, but it doesn't change the fact that I still do.
Others didn't handle the mechanics perma-vote bit quite like you did and if you were trying to garner towncred, you wouldn't step down in the ways you did, either.
Scum-Elbirn doesn't proclaim himself God Emperor as a joke, then goes "Whoops, gotta stick to that meme now" then steps back from that and vouches for Kokichi. I just don't believe that.

2. I think he's town but not that he'll make decisions that are best for town. And, ay, if our leader 'ratfucks' us, we can just lynch them, right?
I feel that Kokichi would drive the decision towards choices I don't like.
I don't want you as leader for skill. I want you as leader because I know you're capable of assessing town wants/needs and pushing through on resolutions that will pass that will benefit us. You're a player that I know I can emphasize with, who will actually respond and listen to me and that we can hit a point of mutual understanding, which isn't what I can say for Kokichi.

[Maestro]

Votecount 1.5

[1]

Varsoon:

Gamma Emerald

[0] Nero Cain:

[0] assemblerotws:

[3]

brassherald:

Chara, Joey_, Elbirn

[1]

Bujaber:

Klazam

[1]

Kokichi Oma:

Bujaber

[5]

creature:

Kokichi Oma, ranmaru, Shaziro, Almost50

[0] Chara:

[0] Elbirn:

[6]

Gamma Emerald:

ActionDan, Titus, Creature, Varsoon, Nero Cain, Dunkerdoodles

[0] Klazam:

[0] Titus:

[0] Shaziro:

[0] ActionDan:

[0] Joey_:

[0] Dunkerdoodles:

[0] pidgey:

[0] jodaxq:

[2]

almost50:

marshy, Brassherald

[0] marshy:

[0] ranmaru:

NOT VOTING

:

• Assemblerotws, pidgey, Jodaxq

NOTES

:

• With
  [21]
  alive, it takes
  [11]
  votes to lynch.
  
• Deadline is in (expired on 2018-03-16 22:30:00).
  
• Deadline is on Friday,
  16 March @ 10:30 PM PST
  / Saturday,
  17 March @ 1:30 AM EST

World Congress

Voting for a Congress Host (update 1.4)

Spoiler: Delegates Cast (10)

[0] Varsoon:

[0] Nero Cain:

[0] assemblerotws:

[0] brassherald:

[0] Bujaber:

[3]

Kokichi Oma:

Kokichi Oma (1), Dunkerdoodles (1), Joey_ (1)

[0] creature:

[0] Chara:

[3]

Elbirn:

Elbirn (1), Bujaber (1), Varsoon (1)

[0] Gamma Emerald:

[1]

Klazam:

Klazam (1)

[2]

Titus:

Titus (1), marshy (1)

[0] Shaziro:

[0] ActionDan:

[0] Joey_:

[0] Dunkerdoodles:

[0] pidgey:

[0] jodaxq:

[1]

almost50:

almost50 (1)

[0] marshy:

[0] ranmaru:

Spoiler: Delegates Not Yet Cast (11)

Nero Cain (1), Assemblerotws (1), brassherald (1), Creature (1), Chara (1), Gamma Emerald (1), Shaziro (1), ActionDan (1), pidgey (1), Jodaxq (1), ranmaru (1)

NOTES

:

None as of right now.

[Kokichi Oma]

We should elect before we lynch.

[Klazam]

We should elect before we lynch.

That is obvious.

We can still form wagons on lynchable people, though.

[Nero Cain]

OMG Joey stop rolefishing.

[Nero Cain]

no offense but I don't really like any of the votes for hosts. I'm town, let me be it.

I haz panzers.

[Nero Cain]

So far I assume Shaziro and I want Chara as World Host. Who else does?

Faux Elect: Chara

.

Question:

How many scum are we assuming is in this game/setup?

Didn't like these much.

If you want Chara as host why would you not vote? Its like he's afraid to not do things that are popular.

The scond (bolded) doesn't matter but 5/16 is the going rate.

[Venmar]

Prodding both Pidgey and Assemblerotws since neither have posted yet and it's been 48 hours.

[Kokichi Oma]

Wild Pidgey fled!

[Joey_]

OMG Joey stop rolefishing.

troll

[Titus]

UNVOTE: Gamma

I like the thought of tied wagons until I get more time in a few days to do analysis.

[BuJaber]

I don't like the wagon on gamma. Too many votes on someone who hasn't done anything scum-indicative.

I still Koki is scum but since I don't have new reasons than what I already said I feeling this might be a lost cause.

At first I thought Nero was voting dunk instead of koki because he is not paying enough attention or hasn't though it through. This is clearly not the case and my logic is not 'dumb'. It might be wrong but not dumb. For him to actually think his reasoning is not just more correct but actually superior to mine is scummy. Basically he's too closed-minded to be town and I'm not someone worthy of being buddied so he doesn't care about butting heads with me.

VOTE: nero

[brassherald]

Okay time to out my mistakes here. I was trying to act scummy to get people to hop on my wagon. I messed up the slayers gambit last night. Role confirmation incoming.

[BuJaber]

@Elbirn:
1. Why are you so adamant to argue me down from believing in you?
If my rationale for doing so is flawed, so be it, but it doesn't change the fact that I still do.
Others didn't handle the mechanics perma-vote bit quite like you did and if you were trying to garner towncred, you wouldn't step down in the ways you did, either.
Scum-Elbirn doesn't proclaim himself God Emperor as a joke, then goes "Whoops, gotta stick to that meme now" then steps back from that and vouches for Kokichi. I just don't believe that.

2. I think he's town but not that he'll make decisions that are best for town. And, ay, if our leader 'ratfucks' us, we can just lynch them, right?
I feel that Kokichi would drive the decision towards choices I don't like.
I don't want you as leader for skill. I want you as leader because I know you're capable of assessing town wants/needs and pushing through on resolutions that will pass that will benefit us. You're a player that I know I can emphasize with, who will actually respond and listen to me and that we can hit a point of mutual understanding, which isn't what I can say for Kokichi.

If Elbrin wants to be scumread I'd happily scumread him.
It's a large game. Reducint the scum pool is inherently pro-town. I don't like the fact that he's making me doubt my read. I would much rather be confident in my townreads until the game is smaller then I can start to doubt if necessary. I feel like he's playing some sort of long con. So here's where I stand now:

Nero - scum
Elbrin - scum

If correct that makes it very plausible that a) dunk is town and b) koki is scum.

[brassherald]

I still Koki is scum but since I don't have new reasons than what I already said I feeling this might be a lost cause.

I didn't love Koki's reaction to my play after Joey_ voted me, if that helps.

If I said my role was masons with Gamma, what would the general reactions be?

[BuJaber]

I'd be very happy with that because you two are townleans.

[BuJaber]

I have more to say about that but are you actually claiming it or not?

[brassherald]

I have more to say about that but are you actually claiming it or not?

I am not, I was toying with that claim or a claim of Masons with Nero for my final part of my gambit.

I'm an innocent child.

[BuJaber]

So you went from cooking up at least 2 little gambits there to just claiming IC?

You have minimal pressure on you.. why now? Why not continue gambiting?

[brassherald]

So you went from cooking up at least 2 little gambits there to just claiming IC?

You have minimal pressure on you.. why now? Why not continue gambiting?

I messed up the gambit last night, and I don't think I can inspire a push on me now. It might be a mistake, but I have already sent the message to confirm from Venmar.

[BuJaber]

I mean I'm not doubting you for a second. Can't imagine any scum getting away with an IC claim but yes you could have done more with it.

[BuJaber]

Even right now why didn't you just say yes I claim mason.. Would be really interesting. Missed a great way to catch scum in whoever you claim as your mason partner.

[brassherald]

Even right now why didn't you just say yes I claim mason.. Would be really interesting. Missed a great way to catch scum in whoever you claim as your mason partner.

That's a great point. Poor play on my part.

[BuJaber]

Even right now why didn't you just say yes I claim mason.. Would be really interesting. Missed a great way to catch scum in whoever you claim as your mason partner.

That's a great point. Poor play on my part.

Well anyway are you still happy with your vote on A50 or was that part of appearing scummy?

[brassherald]

Even right now why didn't you just say yes I claim mason.. Would be really interesting. Missed a great way to catch scum in whoever you claim as your mason partner.

That's a great point. Poor play on my part.

Well anyway are you still happy with your vote on A50 or was that part of appearing scummy?

Actually, I am not super happy with it.

VOTE: Dunkerdoodles

I don't get why he thinks that Gamma was worse than what he called a scum claim. Explain, Dunker.