Micro 778: Be Yourself Mafia - Game Over

[Mathdino]

2 night actions plus (assumed) ability to perform the factional NK? No makes no sense

See RT having locktown read on her

[Mathdino]

I mean that amne cop is literally probably why

[Mathdino]

I already did

1. All night actions that night were confirmed except Kianas track and scum vanillaize.

2. We were literally about to lynch Maki in the morning, the amne cop lowkey saved her and CT claimed 0 credit for it.

3. CT no play like scum, this game outside her scumrange

[Mathdino]

OK I spell out

The potential existence of a tracker makes it highly unlikely that a mafia member can perform 3 night actions and we can prob ask mod here

The vanillaize was confirmed and so was the amne cop

Cheeky cannot have performed both night actions because design aspect, there's no precedent for that in any alisae games

[Mathdino]

1. Night 1
2. Yes, she got a PM
3. The following:
NSG: ded
Mulch: none
UCV: you tell me
Mathdino: none
CT: originally claimed neighbourise RT, but actually amne copped Kiana
Kiana: tracked Maki, nothing, got amne cop result
Maki: none, vanillaized
Postie: none, killed
RT: fakeclaimed amne cop on Maki, in reality nothing available

4. Ok
5. Many players with CT experience have agreed on this
Also i think I played with scum CT before

[Mathdino]

can Gamma track tonight? idqgi

Kiana claimed N1 tracker, Gamma claimed 1 shot tracker
So no

If postie used her heal action on Kiana, they would hypothetically become full tracker

[Mathdino]

They target someone and a random other person gets the result

Given that CT used it to clear Maki who was right about to get lynched

She hasn't used it like scum tbh

[Mathdino]

We don't know it's not a messenger but Gamma and Kiana said it doesn't look like one

Pretty sure not bastard

And it was a null slot for CT

Also why the fuck would you ever cop a lurker lol

[Mathdino]

2 night actions doesn't fit any of our role pms tbh

[Mathdino]

I mean of you're convincing enough I could look at cheeky but her play just hasn't been scum imo

[Mathdino]

She actually has an amne cop tonight. Why not just plan to have her investigate herself? Presumably the result will be sent to a random player that's not dead.

[Mathdino]

Because I hadn't read your plan yet

[Mathdino]

NSG: 1-shot strongman 1-shot ascetic serial killer, lynched D1.

Postie: 1-shot day Healer, this "heal" buffs certain roles. Healed RT. Died N1.

Mulch: Gives out fake ITAs during the day.

Mathdino: LyLo Gladiator (I can gladiate myself with other players). Effective VT.

SupremeCaregiver/MakiHarukawa: 1-shot (?) Lie Detector Day 1 OMGUS Doublevoter, attempted to lie detect NSG but she was hammered before the result came back. Can use a double vote on someone voting her on D1 (used on RT before disabled). Vanillaized N1.

RadiantTroubadour: D1 Poisoned 1-shot Voting Ability Disabler. Dies at the end of D1 unless healed (was told there is a healer). If killed N1, can create 3 person lynchpool the next day. Can also disable all voting based abilities for a single day.

CheekyTeeky: 1-shot Amnesiac Cop, random receiver. Copped SC/Maki, Kiana got the result.

NicoRobin/Kiana/Gamma: 1-shot Tracker. Turns into a full tracker if healed (was told there was a healer). Tracked Maki N1, no result.

Day 1:
Postie heals RT (poison removed)
SC doublevotes RT
RT disables voting abilities (SC doublevote removed)
Mulch gives out 3 ITAs, all failed
SC lie detects NSG's "I am town", never gave result because NSG dead

Night 1:
Postie killed
Maki vanillaized
CT copchecks Maki, result sent to Kiana/Gamma
Kiana/Gamma tracks Maki, visited no one

Day 2:
Mulch gives out 2 ITAs

Night 2:
RT killed

That's it.

[Mathdino]

Cheeky are you still good with lynching NSG if Mulch/Mathdino flip town?

Yep I'm down to lynch NSG on a conf. town Math check.

you want to play the game at shouting scum slip at every chance even though 80% of the time it isn't? here you go. why did he say a conf. town Math check and not Mulch?

Mulch was not a seriously contested slot, while I was basically going to be for sure lynched that day if RT and I didn't pull off the NSG lynch.

[Mathdino]

In fairness to me, I already cased Gamma earlier.

It's super convenient to have a vanillaizer claim they tracked their target. Especially N1 where a tracker inno means nothing.

[Mathdino]

Yeah, that's why I came to the conclusion that one of the 3 investigatives must be scum.

We figured either RT was a powerwolfing amnesiac cop, Kiana was scum with a tracker inno claim, or SC was a godfather claiming to be a lie detector.

[Mathdino]

Tbh I'm just at the point of calling you the town out of the 3

Requesting the amne cop result on you that will 100% be sent to me is dumb or town (that's not as catchy)

[Mathdino]

Your scumplan should really just be to lynch me I think

[Mathdino]

Like, no matter what, since I'm in the lynchpool, I'll have the game solved tomorrow if Gamma flips town

At that point I gladiate the remaining person

Edit: yeah basically

[Mathdino]

My point is basically that it's not up to me

[Mathdino]

In the case that Gamma flips town, you or I will have a result on SOMEONE and it's gg

[Mathdino]

Maki is a 1 shot lie detect I think

[Mathdino]

Mafia were given safeclaims

[Mathdino]

Could see a factional vanillaize I guess

It just doesn't fit the premise of the game

[Mathdino]

Because it fits UCVs personality

[Mathdino]

Also Ginngie just had that role in a RC game

[Mathdino]

Eddie you really don't need to convince me

CT sends a result on you to me

If you're inno, I gladiate CT, otherwise lynch you
And if nothing happens we lynch her

You're just convincing yourself at this rate

[Mathdino]

5) why would cheeky claim the amne cop result? a town wouldn't, it would be insulting to them to suggest scum!them would. you just attract a roleblock or a nightkill as town, so scum faking that role wouldn't claim it unless l-1d either.

Cheeky never did claim the amne cop result. I figured it out and confirmed it with her. Previously she just claimed 1-shot neighbouriser since RC claimed there was a hood.

Like, that's literally part of the townread. She kept that hidden for a reason. RC kept it hidden so she'd dodge the NK.

what if its messenger and its a guilty? what if Maki is left alive over you?

Gamma seems confident it's not a messenger. I assume he can check this with the mod (the fact that he hasn't yet is beyond me). Plus, if it were a messenger, why not send any N2 results?

If Maki is alive, the cop result will presumably be sent to her instead. I don't think CT controls who it's sent to.

who said cheeky is out of their scum range? they disappeared for massive stretches of iso and made a low impact with most of their posts

im about ready to do cheeky honestly

RC, Postie, and gigabyte all said that, correct me if I'm wrong. IIRC NSG was townreading her too but that might've been strategic.

You're not getting a CT lynch today, dude. Sorry but literally no one else has her in their scumpool.

[Mathdino]

Making jesus christ pls see the Kiana fakeclaim and end it

[Mathdino]

No, cheeky was never seriously in danger imo. She went way out of her way to not claim it.

Your play is at the point where it wouldn't make sense if you knew CT was town already.

Maki, if you don't get an inno on Eddie, lynch CT thanks.

Gamma - - > CT
I'm ready for this to end

[Mathdino]

You haven't been here all game tbh

Had you been things would be different most likely

[Mathdino]

I did my iso of Kiana and I'm seeing a scumteam that tried to protect each other and weaksauce bussed when they weren't in danger

Edit: yes but she didn't fkin claim it, i outed her

[Mathdino]

Kiana is a player who purposefully masks her play with a persona to be unreadable

She doesn't bleed town like she did in Purgatory

[Mathdino]

Go read purgatory with RC and maki

[Mathdino]

Kiana fucking jumped on the wagon of her own inno out of "spite"
Gimme a break, Kiana is never that immature

[Mathdino]

Kiana ateing me when i settled on lynching her or mulch was utterly awful

You need the context here that's the reason Im not taking stock on this

[Mathdino]

viewtopic.php?p=9984152#p9984152
See this post
She knew UCV was much more likely to get lynched than ulch
Mulchs problem was that he scumclaimed with hydra logs

She wasted half the game sheeping makis insistence that there were 2 sks

[Mathdino]

Cheeky vote Gamma and end it

Promise to check Eddie tonight or get autolynched

[Mathdino]

VOTE: Gamma

5 bucks says not mafia only posted a votecount to highlight the fact that I was trying to lynch someone I wasn't voting lol

[Mathdino]

Gamma refusing to accept a get lynched and direct tomorrow's lynch is pretty bad

Edit: memes

[Mathdino]

Not enough votes active to lynch either of them so yeah memes

[Mathdino]

Gamma DIDN'T direct it at me
He refused to accept that the claims not matching was enough reason to vote him, when he was perfectly fine with me casing him just a page before

No he was like fuck you for policy lynching me, we're lynching math

[Mathdino]

Gamma received it
Kiana had no way of knowing the result was directed at her

[Mathdino]

*wasn't directed at her

CT result goes to a random

[Mathdino]

The thing is, from Kiana's perspective, someone directly sent her a night result on Maki, and would call bullshit at the end of the day if she didn't claim it ASAP. She did that to look town.

Kiana didn't know that CT's result was sent to a random person.

I could equally argue that CT giving the result to Kiana is also what led to Mulchlynch. Town (except RC) agreed that both Maki AND Kiana were town as a result, narrowing the lynchpool to:
RT (CT was buddying him)
Mathdino (I was town AF after the NSG lynch)
Mulch (lynchable)
UCV (not present)
CT

This is of no benefit.

Kiana claimed her result on Maki because that's the result she got, and she assumed she'd get instalynched if she didn't claim it. She tacked on the tracker claim for the fakeclaim potential.

[Mathdino]

Here's a great trick: If CT is scum messenger/amne cop, CT should've known from day 2 start that Kiana had a result on Maki. CT-town had no idea who had the result. Check for evidence of this.

[Mathdino]

Does it make more sense to you

That
A. Kiana blows her 1 shot tracker on the top fucking suspect of the previous day who is also a lie detector when there were 2 scum alive
(why would scum EVER send Maki to do the kill)

Or

B. CT blew her 1 shot cop (that didn't require her to claim) on the slot everyone was lining up to lynch.
(this allows town to move themselves off the Maki lynch without her intervention)

[Mathdino]

Kiana made that shit up once Maki started arguing it

[Mathdino]

I'm literally gonna lynch you if you refuse to lynch Gamma tbh

[Mathdino]

Like fmpov this is a great way to pocket me when I'm clearly more active and willing to change my mind than CT

[Mathdino]

And why the fuck would you lynch the only person with a night action tonight

[Mathdino]

Maki suspects me more than either CT or Gamma

I can't believe I can't get a scum lynch in 4:1 because literally no one else's slot has been active

[Mathdino]

What the fuck does it matter what Maki thinks

CT result will go to her so she'll either get an inno on you or a guilty

CT isn't a messenger, I'm fuckin betting the game on this

[Mathdino]

WHY DO YOU NEED MAKIS OPINION HERE
SHE'LL HAVE A NIGHT RESULT

IF NOT SHE LYNCHES CT

[Mathdino]

If she gets no results from cheeky then cheeky is confirmed scum and that's that

[Mathdino]

HOT TAKE: Inb4 Maki was godfather the whole time

[Mathdino]

Cheeky can you confirm that
A. Your result can be sent to the mafia (seems obvious with sk in play)
B. Your result cannot go to a dead person

Eddie Cane play here makes little sense as scum

[Mathdino]

OKAY SO IF CHEEKY DOESN'T GIVE MAKI A RESULT SHE'S CONFIRMED SCUM

GOOD GAME LET'S END THIS

[Mathdino]

I respect "you who hasn't read the game" much less than I respect standard you

[Mathdino]

I don't make bets dude
Fmpov there are 3 suspects and that's assuming Maki isn't godfather

[Mathdino]

mod - are scum given fakeclaims?

i don't see it in the OP

We asked them down the line, read his iso dude

Cheeky will fucking confirm herself

[Mathdino]

Scum you doesn't have a way out of this
That's why I'm willing to lynch you to get my Gamma lynch

[Mathdino]

Fuck I mixed up this game with another

[Mathdino]

Absolutely not

Kiana straight up lied if she's town

[Mathdino]

Kiana made up the claim and changed it over the course of the day
I don't get how that can't scream scum to you

[Mathdino]

I'm a 1-shot Tracker. Supreme Caregivers visited nowhere last night.

I'm a 1-shot Night 1 tracker. I need to be healed to become a full-fledged tracker.

kiana you're gonna have to fullclaim with flavour thanks

NicoRobin is a newbie who wants to support her team but doesn't know how. She is a Novice Tracker who can perform a tracker action Night 1. But, if she gets healed Day 1, she becomes a full tracker.

1) Tracker is pretty useful, I don't see any contradiction here.
2) I'm a Night 1 Tracker. Not a 1-shot tracker, but worse, I can only use my ability Night 1. I have to blow it on night 1, that's all there is to it.

Too many inconsistencies.

She claimed 1-shot Tracker originally. I think Gamma found this and rolled with it. Alternatively, you were given a fakeclaim of 1-shot Tracker and Kiana added the Night 1 element to justify having wasted it N1.

Readdd

She claimed night 1 tracker when we gave her shit for blowing the track

[Mathdino]

DUDE SHE CLAIMED NOVICE TRACKER WHEN SHE'S A N1 TRACKER
SHE CLEARLY MADE UP THE ROLE FROM THE WIKI

[Mathdino]

@Maki what was your role before you were vanillaized?

1 shot lie detector
Day 1 double voter against anyone who votes my slot

Does your lie detector target when used?

0 clue given we got vanilla'd before we got the chance to use it would you like me to ask?

Go ahead if you like, but I trust you anyways
I got a tracker result on you from my pred that you went nowhere n1 (which btw was a very bad idea cos my role is novice tracker that if it tries to act n1 can't act afterwards unless healed that night)

OK I see Kiana tried to draw the heal but honestly it was smarter to just not act night 1 if there was a town lynch

I'm actually rather cheesed off at my pred for not saving the tracker for when it could clear people

[Mathdino]

Postie doesn't even heal at night holy fucking shit
Her heal is a PUBLIC DAY HEAL

[Mathdino]

Oh my god
End it
If Gamma flips scum here I'm honestly so using this against you lol
"do you respect me" lol

[Mathdino]

NONONONO
HE ALREADY POSTED THAT DONT MAKE HIM REITERATE IT
GO READ HIS ISO THX

[Mathdino]

This is, according to Not_Mafia, not an alisae game
This is a Not_Mafia game
Plus if mulch had a fucking factional ability his role pm would've said so by his own admission

[Mathdino]

Cheeky is an amne cop no matter what
Remember when she fakeclaimed neighbouriser?
Her flavour matched amne cop better than it matched neighbouriser
It was a shit fakeclaim as a result

[Mathdino]

Gamma has done fuck all
You weren't here for Kianas AtE

[Mathdino]

Yeah and mod responded

[Mathdino]

God ffs I need this game for meta

Holy shit

You think she made up a fakeclaim for her factional ability and claimed that made up flavour while fakeclaiming neighbouriser? What?

[Mathdino]

No, fuck this

VOTE: Eddie Cane

I'm fucking done, we've been here all goddamn game and he comes in here, does a couple ISOs and decides to make not only the mechanically stupid decision, not only the decision with 0 knowledge of Cheeky scum meta, but the survivalist decision and the one he needs to happen for him to win in the end.

I'm not being convinced to vote Cheeky today, EVER.

[Mathdino]

Eddie I've called you town this whole day and agreed to not lynch you tomorrow and instead lynch CT (obviously assuming I'd get an inno on you).

You dropped the deal on the basis that Maki would throw the whole game and lynch an cop inno, or would fall for some bullshit excuse as to why she didn't get a result.

You don't work with me, I can't work with you. You can't seriously believe you're gonna get 3 votes on CT.

[Mathdino]

Maki is utterly brain dead if she lynches you over CT if she doesn't get a result (or gets an inno).

You don't need her agreement. You need a night result.

She's not going to start scumreading CT over you either. She doesn't fucking break out of her tunnels. I don't know what you're expecting.

[Mathdino]

Gamma doesn't hammer you in this situation if he knows he gets lynched right after you.

Maki hammering you would truly be hilarious, but I guess that's the answer you were looking for.

I'm making a statement. I don't expect Maki's vote on Gamma so I need yours. If I don't get that, I'm lynching you over it tbh.

You have no right to call this gamethrowing. I literally told you it's Gamma --> CT and you still won't accept the deal.

[Mathdino]

She doesn't even want to vote Gamma!

You think Maki wouldn't have any second thoughts if scum decided against killing conftown and instead left her alive with you?

[Mathdino]

I'm done, I can't lynch Maki because she's conftown, so if what's standing between me and a Gamma lynch is you, I'm willing to take that.

CT gets lynched today, I'm not confident town wins this at all.

[Mathdino]

Do you have any experience with CT meta?

Also CT was I actually scum with you or am I mixing you up with Cheery Dog?

[Mathdino]

Yet you're trying to metaread Gamma and Kiana.

I'm floored that you read that ISO and immediately call it town for no reason.

I was there for the events of this game. You're not seeing the environments she's reacting to.

[Mathdino]

She doesn't fucking break out of her tunnels. I don't know what you're expecting.

this is rich coming from you

I DID

I TOLD YOU MY LYNCH ORDER CHANGED FROM GAMMA --> UCV
TO GAMMA --> CT

hooooooly shit man

no matter who the NK is, one of us gets a result on you anyway

i can't just keep assuming you're town all day

do you seriously not understand how FMPOV, scum-you can only win if you remove CT from the game

[Mathdino]

FTR guys this means that eddie cane cannot be a vanillaizer

otherwise he wouldn't be trying to remove CT at all, he'd just vanillaize her tonight and be like "lol rekt"

so if no one gets a result from CT tonight that clears CT by PoE, she's just scum and that's final

[Mathdino]

*cannot be a vanillaizer with remaining shots

like you don't seem to have any faith in this town to make a simple mechanical call

a rat brain could make the right decision

it's literally just listening to the PM the mod sends you

[Mathdino]

like, say maki tells you "fuck no I'm not lynching CT over you"
then what do you do? park a vote on CT anyway?

CT is never getting lynched today, if you're town, the best thing you can possibly do is lynch gamma before maki comes back so CT can clear you (or anti-clear herself)

[Mathdino]

okay screw you man i've been on every scum lynch this game

[Mathdino]

I'm telling you right now that the only day I would ever vote CT out of this game is after she submits her night action tonight.

You are not getting {Gamma, Maki} to lynch CT over {you, Gamma}.

At this rate, your lack of cooperation here is what's ruining it. You know full well why it makes no sense for me or anyone to lynch CT here.

VOTE: Gamma

Giving you this chance to hammer Gamma. Please pleeeeease do it man.

[Mathdino]

i'm going to say this one more time mathdino

you know i am not scum. if i am lynched, you are left in lylo with either maki or gamma. both of them will vote you. town will lose.

from your pov, you'll be left with maki and gamma. both will vote you. town will lose. you yourself acknowledged makis tunnels. there is no logical justification to you play here.

What the hell?

I don't "know" you're not scum here. In fact you're at this point one of my biggest scumreads because, again, FMPOV you're doing literally the only strategy that scum can possibly do to win here.

If I'm in LyLo with Maki/CT, fuck it, town deserves the loss. If I'm in LyLo with Gamma/CT, obviously CT and I just vote Gamma. My scumread on Gamma is stronger.

My PREFERENCE is to eliminate Gamma now and let CT confirm or de-confirm herself.

How is there any logical justification to lynching someone with a confirmable alignment check tonight?

[Mathdino]

Say Maki comes in here and says "no fuck you I'm never lynching CT over anyone else".

Then what do you do?

[Mathdino]

Then if Maki is so competent, surely she's intelligent enough to lynch CT who claimed odd night amnesiac cop if CT doesn't give a result, right?

Also why the hell would scum CT claim odd night instead of 1 shot?

[Mathdino]

I'm literally more willing to lynch Maki here than lynch CT

[Mathdino]

CT has literally already agreed to that plan

That is how sure we are scum is in you and gamma

[Mathdino]

If Maki rejects it then I lynch you or Gamma, that's it

[Mathdino]

CT can we agree Eddie doesn't have vanillaizings left? Lynching you before he can frame you for that is inconsistent

[Mathdino]

Eddie why the fuck is CT agreeing to any of this as scum

Her claim has trapped her in a space where she literally can't win tomorrow if scum, no matter who's left

[Mathdino]

Only thing CT scum can do here is shoot you
At which point I just gladiate her

[Mathdino]

Would've been Gamma into you btw but I appreciate the pocketing

[Mathdino]

CT why's it matter to you if he dies
Then you're alive with me and you know I'm scum

[Mathdino]

Then hammer Gamma and take her at face value
No way she wins here

[Mathdino]

CT why's it matter to you if he dies
Then you're alive with me and you know I'm scum

I guess what I'm saying is
Me saying that could only possibly benefit CT scum or Maki scum

Say we lynch Gamma
If Maki is scum were fucked
If CT is scum she should already know she can only win by killing Eddie
If I'm scum, saying my plan out loud doesn't help me at all
If Eddie is scum he'll have a guilty on him tomorrow

[Mathdino]

CT why's it matter to you if he dies
Then you're alive with me and you know I'm scum

Because then I've been framed and you'll both think I'm scum and town lose. I can't argue out of that.

...framed by... Who?

Me?

[Mathdino]

Did cheeky just claim scum...?

[Mathdino]

Cheeky... If I were planning on framing you, how does publicizing my plan actually help me do this?

[Mathdino]

But why would it help me any more to say that that's a possibility now, instead of just doing it tomorrow?
I guess I'm saying I need you to outline the specific scenarios in which me saying "CT scum has to kill Eddie" hurts town. You were talking to me like I'm town too so I'm even more confused. Why tell me to stop saying things out loud if I'm just scum?

Occams Razor says you're sleep deprived but this is weird.

[Mathdino]

It's not pointless, I need this convo to happen.
I'm SPECIFICALLY asking you who is scum in the situation that you're being framed and me saying "you CTscum kills Eddie" hurts town.

[Mathdino]

OK.

Yeah I mean i don't think openly talking about tonight's kill really hurts us. The kills are obvious mechanically.

CT: kill Eddie so Math can be lynched

Eddie: kill Maki and lynch me when I claim the guilty on him.

Maki: can anything stop Maki scum from winning anyway?

Mathdino: kill Eddie to frame CT, or, more simply, kill Maki and just lynch CT or Eddie

[Mathdino]

Fissure

has been

lynched

day 2

Mulchbringer

You are

MulchBringer

. You are

Mafia

with REDACTED. Here is your Scum PT

Between you, you love gambits, spamming and ITAs. You can

hand out 1 ITA kill to each player at your discretion

, however all of these ITAs have a 0% chance of working

You also have a factional kill.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated, or nothing can prevent this from occurring.

You have (expired on 2018-02-28 00:30:00) to submit any night actions

i think everyone needs to take a nice long look at this

You also have a factional kill

oh wow does it say factional vanillaizer

absolutely not

scum literally cannot be CT

[Mathdino]

beginning to think it has to be eddie cane here tbh

[Mathdino]

Yo I asked Not_Mafia if there was any possibility of factional abilities beyond the kill

he said no

checkmate eddie cane, CT confirmed town or "Odd Night Amnesiac Cop 1-shot Vanillaizer"

[Mathdino]

doesn't matter

i'm unwilling to believe that not_mafia created a jack of all trades mafia member that can perform both odd night messengering and 1-shot vanillaizer
that's final
i'm just unwilling to believe that
unless of course CT gives me an inno on the remaining person in a 3p

[Mathdino]

so maki how about that hammer

either eddie cane is incapable of catching scum-me or scum must be in {gamma, eddie cane}

[Mathdino]

Eddie you are specifically claiming cheeky is a 1 shot vanillaizer odd night amnesiac cop who can use both abilities and the factional kill

What I can't understand is how you're townreading me over cheeky at this point

[Mathdino]

I already asked, nm said no
Assume he comes and says no

[Mathdino]

No one's role is that hilariously convoluted
And I mixed up this game with another
I literally asked the factional question this morning

[Mathdino]

The only thing stopping me from lynching you tbh is the fear that Maki lynches me in Lylo
Because 50% chance I get the guilty on Gamma instead of her

[Mathdino]

Like if you're putting your reputation on the line here I can't assume you're dumb
Only logical conclusion is scum

[Mathdino]

Maki, Gamma and Kiana claimed 2 different roles until I called Gamma out on it

[Mathdino]

forgot that scum-CT would've vanillaized and amne copped the same target

still that doesn't seem to balance well against the SK given that the SK is ascetic

[Mathdino]

i mean it looks good to me

this is just dependent on eddie's alignment at this point

scum CT WILL kill whomever CT amne cops tonight, that's an absolute given

so either we instruct her to cop me and it's eddie vs CT
or we instruct her to cop eddie and i gladiate her myself

[Mathdino]

forgot that scum-CT would've vanillaized and amne copped the same target

yeah this was my bad

i got it in my head that CT was able to vanillaize one person and amne cop another

but if it's all the same action, that basically works yeah

lynch both people who targeted maki, gg

[Mathdino]

tbh this game would've been won if maki just ate her pride and checked me instead of someone at L-1

[Mathdino]

like that's the thing, if this game legit comes down to me gladiating CT

and maki mislynching me after i shouted at her for days upon RL days to just confirm me and get it over with (when the only other options were NSG, who lynches me, and mulch, my hypothetical scumbuddy)

then yeah this game is basically entirely on maki

[Mathdino]

for what it's worth, i am also willing to be checked (and killed tonight obviously)

maki should decide which of me and eddie cane she wants a result on

and which one she's taking to lylo

[Mathdino]

Well congrats to him for fucking up, leaving and blaming it on a banned user and 2 people who had nothing to do with trying to lynch the cop inno

[Mathdino]

Eddie my game is derivative
For me it was always just lynch whoevers left that I don't have an inno on
That is primarily why I haven't given 2 shits since you started casing lol

[Mathdino]

Cheeky, here's the deal, if you're town, you just need to pick one town out of 3 and you're done.

Gamma, Eddie and I are mechanically identical, with the exception that I can uselessly gladiate someone tomorrow (and prove my role I guess, I make no sense as vanillaizer).

Lynch the scummiest of the 3.

If game's not over, you amne cop the next scummiest.

That person will 100% get killed if scum is planning to frame you. If not, then we have a guilty and you get to decide whether the guilty is real.

Obviously if we get an inno, then you get lynched.

tl;dr just pick one town and let's end it

[Mathdino]

he just sr's the other person I thought was town

prob voting math or cheeky

I'm never letting you live this down if you lynch me after deciding to check the person we were gonna lynch.

You think I forced you to lie detect between the entire scumteam and NSG, who would just lynch me with conftown status?

[Mathdino]

I also am nowhere near idiotic enough to amne cop/vanillaize Maki while trying to lynch her, lol.

I'm gonna go check Cheeky's progression on Maki D2 and see if I can find something.

NGL it's probably just Gamma and Maki's being dumb but we get 2 lynches and a clear FMPOV so

Edit: nope not at all

[Mathdino]

RT obv town because of play and mechanical reasons.
SC same as RT, play was mostly towny SOD bit wonky in the middle but if we get public confirmation of lie detector ITT then this is conf. town to me.
Postie I'm not 100% on this slot but I trust RC's read there. I'm getting the same kind of feeling as NSG where they mostly hang back and throw a wrench into the game now and then but idk if it's intentional or not.
UCV/New guy idfk. New guy seems town but idk who they are so can't assess their play like other slots. If they're good scum I don't see how that entrance only comes from town seen similar things where scum came in and I was hard pocketed until LYLO based on the entrance.
Mulch is like NM with words. I always think he's scummy and all his play makes sense as scum but people more familiar with him seem to think this is his town game, plus we need to work out what the ITA stuff means.
Math I have no idea why this slot is town to so many people he seems opportunitic and slimy the whole game, I would've vigged him for some of his posts, he jumps on NSG without letting her post at the start and then jumps on RT and then jumps on me and effectively reopened up the lynch pool. He completely ignores actual interactions with me because I'm grating a dumb but he thinks this is my scum game oh lol. I'm flattered but please.

I will VOTE: Mulch [/mulch] until we get Math checked.

@CT: Why did you check Maki instead of me on N1?

Obviously CT's only response is "I'm not scum" but my working theory is that had I been cleared, I would've lynched CT off my D1 CT tunnel.

Anyone get good or bad vibes last night?

I have so much to say. Briefly I'm not worried about Math anymore, interested in SC and wtf @ RT. Still pretty sure on mulch.

VOTE: UCV placeholder. Proper catch up in a bit.

Pretty much NAI

Cheeky do u believe town has 2 clears per day

A tracker isn't really a clear but if she got an amnesiac cop result that makes SC conf town. The only far fetched scenario where it doesn't (but hey look at this game lol) is where SC is godfather + we have another goon who did the kill.

believes the amne cop

Did I really just waste my time catching up on Koki ragequit peripheral drama plus more scrutinizing of RC's playstyle? Ugh. I say we follow Math, he's onto something with his groupscum theories and I can back the PoE of fissure/UCV but want to get fissure out the way before UCV.

UCV you're more useless than me this game and I've been camping in the wilderness with no signal lol. Do something or die.

Can someone catch me up on how Princess Kiana is no longer scum? I feel sincerity in her 1v1 with RC but it's not discussion of game content so unfortunately that's NAI to me. I feel like RC is being genuine but I'm weirded out because he's alive and because I cleared his slot mainly for mechanical reasons which don't really sit right with an SK in the mix. I also get the feeling that he wouldn't go this far as scum in terms of the emotional heart to hearts going on so I'm not lynching him today.
I feel like Math would've killed me if he was scum, I also really like his intent this day phase so I'm more interested in sorting Kiana/UCV with fissure being scum through PoE and play.

Down to wagon this

VOTE: Fissure

Kiana can you please explain why you tracked SC over the other general scum reads like Math and RT from D1?

"let's follow math, none of his scumteams involve me"

RT kill was to clear CT imo, eddie wouldn't have known he was gonna go after CT already

[Mathdino]

Legit tempted to just lynch math to get him out of my hair and deal with a lylo at this point cause holy fuck

probably equally willing to lynch you

but not actually

look i'm not in a position to get blamed for the loss here

for me i'm already in lylo, my game's planned out already

[Mathdino]

Actually I'm done guys, just lynch me, the tunnel aint gonna stop, then it's between Gamma/Eddie. Well played if it's Eddie.

this isn't good btw
obviously town-CT stays alive long enough to confirm herself as town with the amne cop result
or just picks one town between the 3 of us and ends it
like there's still no universe where CT gets lynched today

Edit: @CT: my only scumteam involving you was RT/CT

[Mathdino]

RT/CT confirmed themselves as not the scumteam though, and was always able to do so

also why the fuck are you self lynching instead of just picking one town

[Mathdino]

eddie vote this thanks

[Mathdino]

you do it, i have to communist hammer

we haven't had any this game

[Mathdino]

FUCK THAT WAS THE PAGETOP

[Mathdino]

I FUCKING DID, I CHOOSE MAKI ALL DAY WTF DO YOU PEOPLE WANT FROM ME

For you to pick one town between {Me, Gamma, Eddie}, lynch one scum and copcheck the other?

Maki is already IC, no shit she's town.

[Mathdino]

Hi key the fact that I still haven't hammered basically confirms me as town

[Mathdino]

i'll hammer when maki recognises that scum-me just kills her and gets eddie to lynch gamma tomorrow

maki please confirm that i'm not scum thanks

[Mathdino]

wait sorry i lied i'm still not hammering this

idk what my plan is at this point if cheeky's not giving me her vote

[Mathdino]

You don't get it that easy since that didn't apply to my no hammer

scum-you is unable to clear yourself though

[Mathdino]

i'm obviously going to be okay with this as either alignment maki so i need you to know that eddie getting copped tonight is a death sentence for him

so to be clear, copping eddie and lynching gamma means we lynch CT, correct?

[Mathdino]

man, scum-me also just lynches gamma and fakes a guilty on eddie tomorrow while maki gets NK'd

but maki won't get NK'd because one of yous needs her alive

[Mathdino]

maki i'm not taking that deal

you pick one of me and eddie and that person cannot get lynched tomorrow

[Mathdino]

in the world of scum-CT, whoever gets copped WILL eat lead

[Mathdino]

if maki gets NK'd then it's just gonna be me and eddie counterclaiming each other tomorrow lol

[Mathdino]

VOTE REDACTED

are we townreading eddie that hard here

Edit: i'm nervous that you're scum still but i'll take it i guess
CT needs to confirm

[Mathdino]

also fuck you guys i pedited like 20 times

and yeah did gamma just pull a mulch here

[Mathdino]

WAIT NO I GET COPPED HERE I'M SORRY BUT MAKI LYNCHES ME IN LYLO

EDDIE IS FUCKING TOWN, MAKI

[Mathdino]

eddie is suiciding if scum

he doesn't win against me or you tomorrow

he needed the CT lynch and he let it go

[Mathdino]

fuck it, fine, eddie gets copped

i just don't want to get lynched

my role is literally centred around not losing lylos

[Mathdino]

I agree to Eddie getting copped here. I gladiate who's left.

[Mathdino]

Yeah I got no results.

[Mathdino]

onice the mod sent me a PM informing me it's lylo

i wonder how the mod would define lylo when there's an SK in play

[Mathdino]

I mean yeah I did in fact see this one coming lol

[Mathdino]

both of you need to make a good argument for why you're alive right now btw

and also probably why i'm alive

[Mathdino]

cheeky i'm leaning towards lynching you due to godawful self-votepark yesterday

like it's literally the exact thing mulch did

on one level i don't want to reward that play in any sense

and on another level it's just some scummy shit

so talk about that thanks

edit: humour me

[Mathdino]

then why didn't you just help me lynch eddie when he wouldn't let us lynch gamma

[Mathdino]

honestly the day before lylo i usually just suck up to people in order to get the lynch i wanted

i primarily favour you over eddie because of the self-vote shit yesterday

i have no idea how site meta evolved in such away that literally the majority of the playerlist can self-vote and it be acceptable

but i digress
i'm feelin pretty neutral right now

[Mathdino]

Zero scum motivation in cheekys play yesterday with NSG not groupscum

Mulch, you still want to talk? NSG flip completely reversed this to me - guilty aside. Cheeky couldn't be scum without NSG being groupscum

Anyway. I know I'm town. I know Cheeky is town
Mathdino wasn't completely worthless and his only partner was SC
So we Lynch you, even if you're town it confirms mulch/UCV to me with the added bonus that if Kokichi is town tunneling me it and nothing else will cost him.the game.

Listen. say the 4 of us are town (I'm not negotiating cheeky scumread with anyone)

I guess mathdino might bus so eh but there's no resistance to UCV

closest thing that exists is Fissure pushing literally everyone else

From where I'm standing the two actual locktowns are myself and Cheeky

I both have no doubts about Cheeky's alignment and trust her reads

I think cheeky's town by play, there's certainly worse people,
Mathdino idk like he'd have had to be really sure the lie detector didn't exist. Which I guess I was at the time too so but would he have had the same level of conf. I had? idk
UCV is null to me

i would trust dino and raybells to have a better take on him but ucv, when he stops lurking, sometimes takes the time to sus things out on the most recent page (he doesnt backread which is. infuriating) while scum!ucv doesnt make as much of a fake effort to do anything

Actually I'm done guys, just lynch me, the tunnel aint gonna stop, then it's between Gamma/Eddie. Well played if it's Eddie.

I'm not scumreading you tho
also VOTE: Eddie Cane cos I trust Math more than him in lylo

WHY IS EVERYONE GETTING BULLIED INTO VOTING CHEEKY
VOTE: Gamma Emerald
I WILL NOT LET CHEEKY GET LYNCHED

I forgot it was hammer but still
I'm not gonna let Eddie pull a Furio Tigre on everyone

Eddie is scum pls

Cheeky is town.

Cheeky is town eddie and I WENT TO BED AND WAKE UP TO 7 PAGES HOLY FUCK PEOPLE

Cheeky feels town by play I don't really get Gamma scum nor do I get this "scumslip"

maki what is ideal path

If Cheeky is scum I'm gonna do a backflip out my window man

is this another "cheeky my top tr gets mld" game whew boy

Any meta I have on Cheeky gets thrown out the window if she flips scum
but I don't think she is

CHEEKY ISN'T SCUIMMMMFHXDRTDTYY

NSG was untrustworthy and not following the game. Postie wasn't around when UCV was. Mulch called Cheeky locktown by meta and play, etc etc.

Have to check Mulch's posting and see if it feels alignment informed.

Also need to see if it looks like CT knew NSG was town.

Point is, this is basically an unjustifiable lynch if I lynch CT, which is theoretically mechanically correct, over Eddie here, who's clearly played better but has more scum motivation and is clearly the lynch that every dead person would prefer.

[Mathdino]

Your case is meaningless to me at this point given that I was never able to get a clear and 2 lynches.

Hi-key wondering why you haven't cleared me as town yet but that's secondary to "why are you alive?"

[Mathdino]

I'm not rereading your case. At that point in the day I was

A. Willing to suck up to anyone to get my Gamma lynch

B. Assuming I could get 2 lynches and a cop clear on someone.

That goes out the window in the case that you're potential scum. Fresh start.

[Mathdino]

Plus you know full well I'm a sucker for cases ([REDACTED]). That case was never meant to convince Maki.

[Mathdino]

fuck it i'll read it again

Part 1:

Your townreads of me and Kiana after the provable lie in the roleclaim feel potentially alignment informed.
Scum!Eddie doesn't go Gamma --> Mathdino, that's disingenuous, we agreed on UCV --> Gamma.

Part 2:

Mechanics argument doesn't work here. Scum!CT could easily just send the result on Maki to Mulch, if the amne cop was designed to help with SK. And if the goal was pocketing RC, could also just send it to RC.

Part 3:

NGL I didn't read this. But now that I have:

- Mulch's scumgame does not involve completely fucking ignoring his partner, it involves blowing up the thread with his partner. I know you know this.

- Cheeky never claimed the amne cop result.

- RT caught Cheeky by association with NSG. Period. Same here honestly.

- RT was locktowning Cheeky by meta, play, and role. Killing RC out of fear doesn't make sense when RC was personally willing to mislynch Maki over Cheeky.

- Everything else also basically applies to the possibility of you being vanillaizer. You were, at the time, arguing against the Tracker claim being scum.

Part 4:

- All of this obviously assumes you're town and that I was about to get a cop clear on you.

[Mathdino]

Nope, can't justify this, sorry, especially after perusing that Eddie scumgame normal (was looking for meta on others).

Gladiate: Eddie Cane

VOTE: Eddie Cane

I'm annoyed that he hasn't voted CT already to confirm me but so it goes.

[Mathdino]

CT if you're scum i would really rather you not drag this out just because you get an auto-win off the gladiate thanks

[Mathdino]

Well there goes the point of my role. Well played.

Probably the last time I listen to the dead when I decide LyLos.

[Mathdino]

Also figured UCV wouldn't lurk out of a towngame.

Edit: Meh, just takes one scumgame to ruin meta. I just hate to be in other people's first good scumgame.

[Mathdino]

RT-slot was primary motivator here. For all the bluster I was scared to ignore those reads tbh.

[Mathdino]

like, would i lose more respect losing to scum-eddie-cane or scum-cheeky

figured the former so

[Mathdino]

I was wrong about cheeky playing well I think. maybe the 4th best scum player, after rt gamma and math of course

plus this appealed to my "nah screw you" sensibilities

[Mathdino]

Edit: Meh, just takes one scumgame to ruin meta. I just hate to be in other people's first good scumgame.

yo i prob don't have the right to call this "first good scumgame" but more "first meta-breaking scumgame

anyway

UCV easy as fuck to read, should've stayed

cheers to kiana and RT for literally fakeclaiming as town

eddie played well but also played to scum meta and didn't answer "why are you alive" soooo fuck paranoia

aaaand yeah

Edit: i mean you were paired with a fruit vendor but also d1 poisoned + 1-shot tracker + 1-shot lie detector that clearly caught the SK was questionable

[Mathdino]

i am somewhat annoyed that my roles have been shit in every game where my role was designed for me

like ok thanks i'm a VT while 3 people have 2 powers

[Mathdino]

posts like that are basically posts i lynch lol

[Mathdino]

like obviously i either get that shit from you or i get it from RC

also cardinal rule of lylo is ignore lylo

i sided with the dead

[Mathdino]

i will admit i had buyer's remorse after the gladiate and potentially would've unvoted
so that's probably not a good role to give me since my whole thing in lylo is voting literally everyone present

but the only thing that would've gotten me to vote cheeky was game mechanics and balance
and you're not supposed to vote off of that so

[Mathdino]

why didn't you just send the result to mulch

[Mathdino]

also fucking lol at how i lynched mulch because firebringer didn't have a role

and then it turned out he didn't have a role anyway

[Mathdino]

ok the other thing that would've gotten me to vote cheeky was the literal scumslip yesterday

but "scumslips never happen, mathdino"

so fuck me

[Mathdino]

oh yeah and i'm policy lynching anyone who self votes in every game forever after this

gamma literally self-voted to stop me from hammering cheeky (which was potentially coming soon)

did RC do the self-vote thing?

regardless that needs to be a site policy that comes back

[Mathdino]

eddie this has literally nothing to do with my respect for you

if you were a treestump or alignment confirmed i obviously would've sided with you

[Mathdino]

oh yeah and NSG/CT were the OG D1 scumspects

so also the last time i let go of my initial reads

[Mathdino]

so to be clear

D1 mislynch means scum get 2 kills and a vanillaize right

lolbalance

this is primarily why i don't design 3p's in

[Mathdino]

oh yeah plus the RC kill if he didn't get healed

[Mathdino]

ALSO

RT was given the power to disable voting abilities that literally only belong to town

postie was given the ability to heal but could literally only heal town, and if yume got the heal first the game would've basically been for sure over

[Mathdino]

What the fuck is that CT role holy shit

[Mathdino]

Agree with RC tbh
Tempted not to include this in winrate
Obviously going to but yeah role distribution was underwhelming

[Mathdino]

i rolled the only VT
while UCV was given an ability that was designed to make him flake
postie was a glorified VT
had yume gotten the heal before RT, town would've only gotten a single mislynch
combined with the SK that can't be caught by any power role whatsoever (including the lie detect that was about to be used on her)?

no way was this at all townsided

[Mathdino]

I've been self-voting for a long time. Generally it's either I'm frustrated or I'm okay enough with getting lynched that I am willing to contribute my own vote to it.

you self hammered

point is

scum do it more than town do, and it benefits scum more than it benefits town

as seen right here in this game

so yeah forever lynching self-voters

[Mathdino]

i just think that completely independently of balance, this was designed to be more fun for the mafia than it was for the town and the SK

kinda just got frustrated when i saw more and more roleclaims

[Mathdino]

i mean my role has a strong possibility of giving me false information in terms of what the definition of lylo is and how much mafia there were

given that there was a third party in play

[Mathdino]

do NOT try and use mechanics in the future. you don't understand mechanics or setup spec whatsoever.

didn't

like i said mechanics was one of the few things that would've gotten me to lynch cheeky

although a huge factor was also UCV not confirming his role while CT had

[Mathdino]

no, your argument for cheeky town was "scum couldn't have done 2 actions in one night lol!" that's why ct was "lock town" when I subbed in.

then i realised she targeted the same person that was vanillaized

that was the largest cause of buyer's remorse after the gladiation

but then i realised "wait UCV is the only one who has not confirmed his role"

[Mathdino]

this is one of those weird situations where i feel like the game would've gone very differently if the role PMs were just typed out a bit more

[Mathdino]

cheeky definitely scumslipped

scumslips exist

[Mathdino]

oh yeah town def would've won had UCV not flaked out

that's a given

[Mathdino]

Just letting you guys know I'll be using my anti spamming ruleset

It'll be fun tho, I think it's a cool setup

[Mathdino]

mulch stop spamming