Ultimate Videogame Topic 3: The Next Generation

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Persona 5 was finally announced yesterday.

Along with like 3 spin-offs.

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I'm so happy that Umbrage is using an Elle Wood avatar again.

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those are the best guesses

you did miss when reck was almost done with the game and said on our way home from crazy fire something like

If Sigma was Zero the whole time I'm going to throw my 3DS out the window

It took me awhile to figure out that you guys weren't talking about some future continuity of the Mega Man X series of which I was unaware.

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I think the writing is much better in New Vegas. Its main downside is that it was a totally broken game at launch.

It does have a different atmosphere than Fallout 3, though, so I could see someone liking Fallout 3 more if they really like the atmosphere.

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I didn't mind it, but it felt so out of place in the context of the narrative. I liked the Broken Steel ending slightly more.

The Fallout 3 ending was incredibly frustrating for me because

I couldn't send Fawkes when he's IMMUNE TO RADIATION

.

Plus, it just felt like a very predictable, fairly boring story, while New Vegas was far more interesting to me.

I think they patched that with Broken Steel.

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Fallout 3 has that "nothingness" feeling for me, and Skyrim also has this to a lesser extent, but New Vegas and Oblivion felt populated by some relatively memorable characters.

I still enjoyed Skyrim, though, and I liked Fallout 3 enough to soldier through the platinum PS3 trophy.

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Ah. Well, that's dumb, then. I think i sent in

Charon

when I did it that way, so that didn't come into play.

Fallout 3 has pretty terrible writing, anyway, so the awfulness of the ending doesn't seem so out-of-place to me. The only memorable part was the

50s simulation segment

, and maybe the

confrontation with Eden

. And the opening hour is pretty strong.

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I think I only played though Fallout 3's story twice. Once as a goodie once as a badie and never again. The main quest is the weakest point of that whole game. I used to love just exploring the whole map and finding little random things that would surprise me. That is pretty much where all my time went in that game.

Agree with this. The quest with Harold really stands out. I didn't even find it til my 3rd or 4th playthrough.

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The Fade is my favorite part of DAO. I guess it's a long dungeon in the middle of a long dungeon, so I can understand the fatigue.

DA2 is so heartbreaking. So much promise, so much obvious lack of completion. The DA2 DLC is A++, too; it gives a sense of how it might have been if they'd had a proper schedule.

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I actually really like DA2, as well, I just think it really suffers in the comparison to the original. It's not a bad game, and it improves on some stuff, but it also cuts out a lot of the tactics and difficulty of the original. I have to agree, though, that Legacy especially demonstrates what Bioware could have done with the base game.

Yeah, I like DA2, but I can't help but feel really sad while enjoying it. It's kind of like playing disc 2 of Xenogears, only a more extreme version of that, because in Xenogears your thoughts are pretty divided between FEELS and noticing that the cutscene started 2 hours ago.

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Jew OP from what I understand.

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I'm thinking of buying a PS4 soon for FFXIV and the Dynasty Warriors 8 mega-release thing. What are people's thoughts about, ye know, that.

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I think BG should be OK as long as you either play the Enhanced Edition or mod the original aggressively.

Also, BG2 is a much more polished product.

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Yeah, there's a big WHOAA moment about 3/4 of the way through BG that is casually spoiled super early in BG2. Also, you can import your BG character into BG2. I'd only start at BG2 if you know you don't want to bother with BG.

I meant it in the sense of, don't give up if it seems kind of aimless.

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I didn't play them until 2008.

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The equivalent is not an obscenely muscular male avatar in a tank top holding a machine gun?

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The equivalent is not an obscenely muscular male avatar in a tank top holding a machine gun?

Now we know Iec's type? Or are you saying you agree? No fats, no fems, no Duke Nukems?

Everyone likes an obscenely muscular male avatar in a tank top holding a machine gun!

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I would get Xenoblade if I had a Wii.

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I believe in you, Zora!

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Did anyone play the Escape From Horrorland adventure game that was released in 1996? It was a Goosebumps spin-off that some friends and I were really into and quoted from endlessly.

I just discovered that Isabella Rossellini was in it, which kind of startled me. She's probably a sex demon or something. I remember that Jeff Goldblum was Dracula.

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Whoa I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream is on Steam?

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Is it worth buying and playing through? I once stayed up all night reading a very colorfully-written summary of all of the scenarios, but I never played it myself.

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I'm totally buying it when the full PS4 version is released.

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I only have Dynasty Warriors 8 and Final Fantasy XIV. I mainly bought it to play FFXIV on something that isn't a PS3.

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I finally got the Walking Dead (iOS version). The thing near the start of Episode 3 really shocked me.

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I spent like 10 minutes trying to fix the fence with Mark in Episode 2, but it turned out it was just a glitch and I needed to restart.

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There's an iOS version of walking dead? is it good/playable, I'd rather play that kind of game in bed rather than at my PC.

It's not too bad. Some movie scenes have some noticeable jerkiness and I've run into bugs once or twice and some scenes that require more precise touch recognition could be more responsive, but that's all. It's very playable. I only noticed the jerkiness after I read a negative review complaining that the port introduced the jerkiness.

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It's pretty fun.

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I know there's a separate thread for it, but some of it is still spoilers to me, so I'm gonna post here that I finally got around to finishing The Walking Dead Season One. Here are my choices for all the episodes:

Spoiler: Chevre's Choices

Episode 1

Didn't lie to Hershel. Honesty was just one of the big things during my playthrough; the "you were honest with _____" must have popped up a million times during Episode 4.
Saved Shawn over Duck. He was just more of an asset to any chance of survival we had.
Sided with Kenny on Duck's being bitten, I was also very considerate regarding bites/injuries/etc.
Didn't give Irene the gun.
Saved Carley. I just feel like there's so much more development with her than Doug; it just feels like the natural choice.

Episode 2

Didn't kill Jolene
Didn't help kill Larry
Didn't kill either brother
Didn't loot car

Episode 3

Didn't shoot woman
Didn't leave Lilly behind
I guess I fought with Kenny in the train cab, but half-pacifism, half-not knowing where to click led me to just take all his punches lol.
Killed Duck myself
Helped Christa onto the train

Episode 4

I killed the zombie boy
Didn't threaten Vernon
Took Clementine to crawford
Saved Ben

Episode 5

Only Omid and Christa went with me. I let Ben decide for himself and there was no way Kenny was going with me unless I chose the "family" option
Didn't cut off arm
Argued calmly with Kenny
Gave up all weapons
Didn't kill the Stranger
Told Clementine to shoot me

If you

don't loot the car

, does the

Stranger's origin story change

?

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I liked the combat in DA2. The encounter design was terrible, but the combat itself in terms of ability usage felt really fluid. In DA3 it typically feels like too much of a hassle to use the tactical camera, but combat feels pretty boring if you don't micromanage a little bit.

I'm on my second DA3 playthrough now. Rogue Archer Nightmare run. It's not too bad so far. I figure I just have to massively outlevel "that one boss," and I'll be home-free!

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Yeah, that's the boss fight. On my Hard playthrough I just finished I had to cheese the encounter by continuously running back to

the Chantry

and exploiting that some of the enemies would deaggro. :p

If you're playing as a Knight Enchanter, the game is trivial on basically any difficulty from what I understand (i.e., once you're past that boss fight and have unlocked specializations). Make an on-hit guard armor for added hilarity. Do the same for Vivienne for more silliness. I think (this one's not a story spoiler)

one of the locked doors in Redcliffe may always have Fade-touched Obsidian, which I think always gives the effect

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Also (about the attack on Haven)

I'm told that the fight is a lot easier if you side with the Templars, since Fiona is a lot squishier than Denam. But I've also heard that the boss at the end of the Templar arc is harder than Alexius, so maybe it washes.

I've actually heard the opposite. I've been dreading going the

templar path

on my nightmare run for just that reason. :p

Denam

himself isn't that hard if you can isolate him from his support. He's pretty slow and you can avoid his abilities if you don't have to worry about other units staggering you.

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Just beat DA:I. It was pretty swell, though I feel like I cheesed it too much. Going to go back through with a Warrior, see if that feels better.

When I did the last fight, I had to reload 3 times due to glitches. <_<

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Once he glitched out and just stood there and let me wail on him without doing his scripted attack pattern before moving to the last platform, once he did the same before the

dragon fight

, and once the

dragon fight

never loaded and I just kinda stood around awkwardly because he was invincible at 1 HP. Maybe I killed him too quickly or something.

I think

it's not an Archdemon in the sense that it does not have the soul of an Old God in it, but rather just part of the soul of Corypheus. The characters call it "his Archdemon" because that's their concept for that kind of dragon.

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During the first part (well, second part) he's supposed to go up and shoot like laser beams at random players from an inaccessible position, and you have to micro-manage your party to hide behind the walls to dodge the fireballs and such. He only actually initiated that attack pattern 1 of the 4 times I played through the segment, though. I think the fight's kinda super bugged.

Also, one of the times through he talked to each of my party members, but he only did that to

Cassandra

most of the times. So I think he also has banter triggers that weren't triggering properly.

The other people who complained were also PS3/PS4 users, so maybe platform-specific.

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I think basically

Kate Mulgrew is in OITNB now and/or got more expensive and/or lost interest so they had to write her out. So Solas will kinda take her place in future games.

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It's the real FF3, right?

It's the worst game in the franchise IMO. It's the only one I've never been able to soldier through.

FF6 (originally marketed as FF3 in the US) is fantastic, though.

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9 is my favorite. 6 and Tactics come close.

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Huh? Yes it is. There are choices related to it in Dragon Age Keep.

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By the way, did anyone notice how the Tallis stuff made it into DA:I? You can choose whether you made her angry and whether you kissed her. Maybe a war table thing or a line in

the Fade

if you didn't romance anyone?

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If Leliana died in DA:O, you can talk to her about it. ^_^

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Wtf? Kaidan is extremely hot, and he's stronk in ME3.

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He's also gay irl. ^_^

But he's not Aisha Tyler.

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I didn't play ME3 because I couldn't go more than 5 minutes without getting motion sick :-/

You might be able to change the motion blur settings in options. Not sure.

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Rly sry babe.

I think ME3 is maybe the best one to be honest, though I am perhaps biased by access to (v important story spoilers)

buttsex

.

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you can on pc. you can't on xbox

I got kinda sick during the opening Earth scene, but it bothered me less as the game went on. This was on PS3. FWIW.

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Poor Velanna. Maybe she'll get mentioned in DLC somewhere.

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I like Nate a lot!

Velanna is pretty bland, but I liked her in the playthrough where I used her. I think most players used Anders because he's likeable and a healer and you get him earlier.

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Nate had lots of story stuff due to the stuff in the basement of Vigil's Keep IIRC. I think he also had lots of unique Human Noble communication options, and I was a Human Noble Queen in one playthrough.

Sigrun and Justice I usually got last, so I used them less. I lovelove Justice, though.

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i was an idiot and refused to let anyone follow me at the end of S1E4

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I'm not very far into the game yet, but so far, all I've done is walk down corriders and hit attack when my gauge fills. So far, I haven't done anything that feels like the game actually cares whether I play it or not.

The entire game is like that. The area that JDodge is talking about is just an area with (tons of) sidequests that appears right before endgame.

I've heard Lightning Returns is really solid, though.

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I couldn't even get through the free online tutorial of XIII-2. :[

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Let's face it, it's a FF story. Read a Wikipedia plot summary and accept that you won't be 100% invested.

I think some of the stories are pretty good. I mean, not for probably 15 years or so, but.

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FFVI still makes me cry at certain parts.

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I almost bought a Wii just for Xenoblade.

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Has anyone looked into Type 0? I was pretty skeptical, but the reviews are pretty good.

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Bravely Default has one big flaw(

there is one too many time loops

), but its a very solid JRPG otherwise.

Definitely recommend playing Final Fantasy V/Tactics/4 Heroes of Light if you like the job system in BD, because Bravely Default pretty much takes all it's cues from those games.

Final Fantasy Dimensions is pretty good, too! I think it's better than FFV.

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I've never played the 3DS games, but maybe Nocturne/SMT3 is a good place to start. That's where I started.

I think the handheld games are a little lighter, like you'd expect.

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New Vegas had a much better script. Pity about the instability.

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Oman, did you buy it on sale somewhere? It's the only one I don't have.

Anyway, I've been really into Audiosurf recently. Fun challenging tracks:
"We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together"
"I Will Wait"
"Call Me Maybe"

"In a House - In a Heartbeat" by John Murphy (the theme from 28 days later) is also really neat.

Ilu

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That one is good. I should play it again.

I didn't get the gay guy until like the very end.

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I love my PS4 headset. I use it with everything.

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Is anyone playing Final Fantasy Record Keeper?

I started about 2 months ago, and I like it a lot.

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Lots of positive reviews for Her Story - anyone gotten it yet?

I watched Kaceytron play it today. Looked neat.

So I've been playing through KOTOR on my ipad. While the controls are slightly worse on the Ipad than the PC, it's still really easy to use. And it's such an awesome game to pick up and just play for a few minutes advancing the story. Already about 14 hours in.

I bought this awhile ago, played it on a few plane fights, and never went back to it. I should, though! I was a little frustrated that it wasn't as completionist-friendly as later Bioware games.

I bought FF3 on iOS on sale and am on-course to FINALLY finish the only FF I've never finished. It's so much less tedious after you get through Nepto Temple.

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the main problem I find with the series is it seems like FF goes into their video creation process with an end result in mind rather than collecting data and figuring out with the root causes of sexist tropes are with a critical eye.

I think the answer most of the time isn't "because games and male gamers are overwhelmingly sexist", and I don't think the data supports that conclusion. it really bugs me watching their stuff and thinking over and over "okay, but you haven't really proven that". they just flatly state "because misogyny" and never actually support it with anything other than raw data and a list of tropes they made up labels for

I watched it just because you mentioned it, but I thought her points were super clear and accurate to the point of facility.

I don't think the take-away is supposed to be "gamers are awful people." She actually stops at several points and says like "NOTICE: THE POINT OF THIS IS NOT X," where X is "games having sex scenes" or "gamers are sexist" or whatever. Instead, the point is that men are socialized to behave certain ways toward women. Video games reflect that and contribute to it. It's so normative that gamers get upset when game developers sometimes try to buck that trend.

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Female characters are imaginary. They are all "forced" to be sexy (because they are drawn that way).

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...you do understand that's not at all relevant, right?

It's relevant because you argued that sexualization of female game characters was not problematic because female characters owned their sexuality, and you suggested that feminism should appreciate that. Your tone suggested that your different perspective on this point resulted from everyone else being too stupid to understand it.

The counterpoint is that "strong" female video game characters who run around naked aren't really "owning" their sexuality because the notion that that is a typical way of expressing agency is a male fantasy (e.g., the scene with Judith from that video). It's like creating a "sexy lawyer Barbie" -- she's empowered, so she doesn't need to present realistically.

You can counter-counterpoint that she's a video game character and not worth such scrutiny, but that's probably not a perspective to be shared by someone who bothered to investigate the issue in the first place.

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What examples do you think are not effective examples?

Your tone suggested to me that you were dismissive of the interests of the article, since it is weird to basically 100% agree with someone in substance, but then focus your discussion on ridiculing them because they chose sub-optimal examples. Though I guess most political discussions on this site do kind of work that way due to everyone having roughly similar ideas, so maybe similar to that.

I do not understand your resistance to the idea that there is a difference between a real human female making a choice and a female character (typically/historically, a female character made by a man) making a "choice." I think appreciating the difference is required for understanding most feminist criticism. My guess is that you think I am alluding to something different?

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No, it's referring to what the creator is doing to the creation.

Non-video game example: June Cleaver loves being a housewife.
Great example from the video: Judith from Tales of Vesperia
Another example from the video: Fanservice DLC

Counter-arguments I could imagine might be focused around suggesting that video games are just for fun, so the scrutiny is not warranted.

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Yeah, I could follow it because I read some viral facebook feminism cartoon a few months ago that used similar lingo.

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What is bizarre or ridiculous about it?

It's more of a concept than an "argument." It's an implicit given in any kind of criticism where the author and audience are what's being written about.

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Yeah, I could follow it because I read some viral facebook feminism cartoon a few months ago that used similar lingo.

Here's the comic.

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If the villain is an angry black man or a crazy transgendered person or a woman who's crazy due to menopause, then yes, that's a concern.

An explanation like "Well, this black person is angry in this story" would be the corollary counterpoint.

It's not like violations of this sort inherently produce bad art. But if violations of this sort are pervasive, it makes it harder for certain types of people to participate in the art form, which I think is a harm worth worrying about.

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It blows my mind that you think that critical thinking is "deceitful" in this context.

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The problem is not that we need to help Judith file a restraining order. I have a hard time believing that you think that that is anyone's literal or imagined goal.

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The FF games are mostly on there now and pretty fun.

Try Dimensions if you haven't; it's not a port.

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I know Dimensions doesn't. I used to play that at airports and on planes.

You do need to download them initially, but I think that's always the case.

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it's called Dimensions? That's the worst googlable name since that raucus good time game "Megapixels"

Final Fantasy Dimensions.

It plays like Final Fantasy V, but with a better battle system and more involved story. They did a great job of making it feels like an SNES FF game.

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Spoiler: Sounds fun

1 Suikoden II
2 Persona 4
3 Final Fantasy Tactics
4 Undertale
5 Xenogears
6 Final Fantasy IX
7 Baldur's Gate II
8 Final Fantasy VI
9 Castlevania: SOTN
10 Valkyria Chronicles
11 Demon's Souls
12 Final Fantasy VII
13 Persona 3
14 Super Mario RPG
15 Zelda: Majora's Mask
16 Chrono Trigger
17 Final Fantasy IV
18 Zelda: A Link to the Past
19 Final Fantasy X
19 Planescape: Torment
21 Kingdom Hearts II
21 Tales of Symphonia
21 Star Wars: KOTOR
24 Zelda: The Wind Waker
25 Xenoblade Chronicles
26 Dark Souls
27 Fallout: New Vegas
28 Pokemon Red/Blue
29 The Walking Dead
29 Kingdom Hearts
29 Starcraft
32 Mass Effect 2
33 Metal Gear Solid
34 Zelda: Ocarina of Time
35 Mass Effect 3
36 Final Fantasy XII
36 Metal Gear Solid 3
38 GoldenEye 007
38 Warcraft III
40 Skyrim
41 Smash Bros. Melee
41 Civilization V
41 Bloodborne
41 Shadow of the Colossus
45 Oblivion
45 EarthBound
47 The Witcher 3
48 Metal Gear Solid 2
49 Dragon Quest VIII
49 Pokemon Gold/Silver
51 Mega Man X
51 Final Fantasy VIII
51 Hearthstone
51 World of Warcraft
51 Mother 3
51 Silent Hill 2
57 Batman: Arkham City
58 Fallout 3
58 Morrowind
58 Chrono Cross
61 Portal
61 Minecraft
61 Journey
61 Sonic the Hedgehog 2
61 Diablo II
61 Half-Life 2
61 Fire Emblem: Awakening
61 Metal Gear Solid V
61 Perfect Dark
61 Super Metroid
61 Grand Theft Auto V
61 Shenmue
61 GTA: San Andreas
61 Shovel Knight
61 Binding of Isaac Rebirth
61 Paper Mario
61 BioShock
78 Dragon Age: Origins
79 Assassin's Creed II
79 Pokemon X/Y
79 Mass Effect
79 Super Mario Bros. 3
79 Super Mario 64
84 Portal 2
85 Super Mario World
85 Okami
85 Deus Ex
85 BioShock Infinite
85 Team Fortress 2
85 Red Dead Redemption
85 Bayonetta 2
92 Ratchet & Clank 3
92 Half-Life
92 Metal Gear Solid 4
92 Paper Mario: TYD
92 Smash Bros. Wii U
92 Super Mario Galaxy 2
92 Halo: Combat Evolved
92 Uncharted 2
92 Life is Strange
92 GTA: Vice City
92 Phoenix Wright
92 Metroid Prime
92 Monster Hunter 4U
92 DK Country 2
92 Super Mario Galaxy
92 Resident Evil
92 Resident Evil 4
92 Splatoon
92 Borderlands 2
92 Destiny
112 Age of Empires II
112 Super Mario Maker
112 Banjo-Kazooie
112 Cave Story
112 Call of Duty 4
112 Virtue's Last Reward
118 World Ends with You
118 Tetris
118 Phoenix Wright: Trials
121 The Last of Us
121 Halo 3
121 999
124 Animal Crossing New Leaf
124 Resident Evil 2
124 Skies of Arcadia
127 Zelda: Twilight Princess
128 Mario Kart 8

I did accidentally double-click once. I think that's why Zelda TP is so low, though I do think it's the worst Zelda game on this list.

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I still need to play SotC. The premise seems kinda dumb, and I hadn't heard of it at all before about 2 years ago, but I've heard great things.

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The latter, clearly.

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I did NSG up to the underwater boss with Tidus/Wakka. It seemed like you just had to rely on lucky crits.

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2 is really polarizing, I think it's the best.

3 is the fan favorite, I think it's pandering after 2 was polarizing but it's still pretty fun to play.

4 is bad.

5 was apparently good.

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i am working my way through KH Re:CoM finally and honestly I have had such a hate-boner for the CoM games but they really aren't that bad

Oh my god Re:CoM was terrible and I tried and tried and I could not do it.

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I think 1 is more like an RPG, and 2 is more like an action game.

BBS is the best I think.

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2 is really polarizing, I think it's the best.

3 is the fan favorite, I think it's pandering after 2 was polarizing but it's still pretty fun to play.

4 is bad.

5 was apparently good.

I'm sold. Should I get Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance, or just the normal MGS2 for the Ps2? I know that Substance is the expanded version/ re-release of the Sons of Liberty, but I'm not sure if it's worth the extra dime.

If you have a PS3, I'd get the PS3 HD re-release, which I think includes MGS2, MGS3, and MGS:Peace Walker, which is a consolified version of a solid handheld entry.

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Yeah, I think we just have different words for describing the same contrast for 1 v 2.

Spending a long time making really efficient decks for BBS is fun for me, so that stuff doesn't bother me much. It's still tough if you rush through at a low level without getting all the abilities and such. I only played on critical, though.

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2 lacks world depth, too, other than Hollow Bastion.

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I personally thought some of the bosses in 2 were kinda hard. I tied on Demyx a few times (first time through on proud or w/e the hardest mode was), and Xaldin was a looong fight even though I'm not sure I ever died.

Also I could never figure out why some later bosses seem invincible at 0 health for a long time. Maybe you need to do a certain kind of combo to finish them off. :X

I feel like I probably ignored a lot of the combat system.

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Marluxia is so hard. ^_^

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I only tried a few times.

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Where does that assertion come from?

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Heartless lack bodies, Nobodies lack hearts. And then there's... Unversed? I forget, been a while.

Yeah but see, I can dig on Heartless because they had a certain charm in the first game and were these ambiguous shadow monsters. Then Nobodies got involved and it's just kinda ambiguous. Some of them are generic looking monsters -- and some of them appear human. It just doesn't have any consistency and seems to have gotten out of control.

If someone with a very strong heart loses their heart, the Nobody that is produced has human-like features (like the people in Twilight Town or Organization XIII).

A Nobody is capable of developing a heart through their experiences.

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Only the emblem heartless are.

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My favorite part is every time Billy Zane opens his mouth.

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I finally starting playing Pillars of Eternity, as it's on sale.

It's fun so far. Baldur's Gate, but less clunky. I wish the Enhanced Edition had played this smoothly.

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I finally starting playing Pillars of Eternity, as it's on sale.

It's fun so far. Baldur's Gate, but less clunky. I wish the Enhanced Edition had played this smoothly.

Can confirm. Very good.

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Tactics/Suikoden II are two of my favorite games of all time too.

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I'm looking for advice about the Trails in the Sky/Trails of Cold Steel games. I just got a Vita and thought it would be a good excuse to play them.

It seems like the PSP TitS games are the place to start, then ToCS on Vita (all playable on Vita, though PSP TitS3rd is JP-only).

Is this correct, or does fan nostalgia kinda elevate the TitS games? I'm interested because of the Persona+Suikoden talking point I keep hearing for ToCS.