Micro 778: Be Yourself Mafia - Game Over

[Postie]

hey so basically the role NM gave me was a gigantic fuck you so I'm dying at the end of today

Mind me rolefishing?

[Postie]

neither me nor giga are going to play this game because being the equivalent of d1 suicidal is cancer.

we'll be prod dodging from here on out.

Oh that answers that. Thanks that makes things easy.

HEAL: RadiantTroubadour

[Postie]

If you knew about my role somehow and this is all a trick I'll b mad

[Postie]

HEAL: RadiantTroubadour

@RadiantTroubadour

- Did this work?

Heal player: RadiantTroubadour

Just in case I did it wrong.

[Postie]

paranoid theory – postie/rc scumteam and that entire interaction was all theater.

Lmfao I fucking wish

[Postie]

So for the record: yes we did know that a poison doctor existed. We chose to pretend that we didn't because we wanted to see what we could figure out about the alignment of the poison doctor from opening the way that we did. Does it not bother you that we may have started as poisoned scum and you made no effort to sort our slot before you saved us? More importantly your approach to the 'know the role somehow' feels off to me: if you knew that we knew that you existed why didn't you question my motives for the claim? Why were you so quick to save us?

My role didn't say what it did it just said I got a heal on day 1 that may or may not do something depending on who I use it on
When I saw your claim I just assumed I was supposed to use it on you
In hindsight I should have probably claimed first and waited to see if there were other people with roles that could have needed healing

I feel like there's something (unrelated to what I just said) fundamentally off about the thought process behind this post and I'm gonna need a little while to articulate it.

[Postie]

Also the thought of poisoned scum briefly crossed my mind after you claimed poisoned but I sort-of dismissed it since it seemed really dumb and swingy to have my role be to unwittingly choose day 1 whether or not scum get an extra faction member
But if that's actually the case then lmfao fuck me

[Postie]

I feel like there's something (unrelated to what I just said) fundamentally off about the thought process behind this post and I'm gonna need a little while to articulate it.

RC I kinda townread Fire's vote on you for this reason

Am I being bad

[Postie]

Then vote me I don't give a fuck you can explain postgame why you lynched me day 1 if you're town.

I didn't say I was scumreading you or wanted to vote you?
I'm trying to engage with you on Fire because I was hoping it would help me sort you?
???

[Postie]

OKAY FOR FUCK'S SAKE

Cut this shit out right now.

This ends in the game getting spammed and people not becoming apathetic.

Like I'm doing everything within my power not to kneejerk scumread both of you right now because you're already making me not want to play the game and it's incredibly pro-scum.

[Postie]

*becoming apathetic, not not becoming

[Postie]

VOTE: Mathdino

Haven't actually read their posts but idc as long as we move onto something that isn't RC v anyone.

[Postie]

VOTE: northsidegal

Fine what's your case

[Postie]

Postie can you stop just pushing whoever Radiant tells u.

-Fire

I'm sheeping giggles, not RC.

Can you tell me why you both scumread NSG?

I'm not scumreading her.

[Postie]

do you want to have a fight because this is how we have a fight

CAN YOU STOP

Like if you're town I get that Fire is being aggravating but this shit has already made me want to replace out

Both of you stop interacting with each other

[Postie]

Postie, how did you feel about her calling us S/S

Probably NAI, maybe lean town? Are you seeing something I'm not?

or her thoughts on Kokimaki?

Couldn't find them?

Now that I'm reading nsg's ISO it's actually super fucking town wtf

UNVOTE:

[Postie]

What about it?

Also I think nsg is towny for this stage in the game but I'm happy to withdraw that read if she doesn't get townier and stays at this same sort of level

[Postie]

So for the record: yes we did know that a poison doctor existed. We chose to pretend that we didn't because we wanted to see what we could figure out about the alignment of the poison doctor from opening the way that we did. Does it not bother you that we may have started as poisoned scum and you made no effort to sort our slot before you saved us? More importantly your approach to the 'know the role somehow' feels off to me: if you knew that we knew that you existed why didn't you question my motives for the claim? Why were you so quick to save us?

On top of that, well, I don't think that Postie is the type to not heal me as poison doctor in this situation regardless of how it suited her alignment. I think she'd just do it.

Okay RC help me out.
See the problem I'm having with this is that like
Regardless of my alignment I'd feel super bad about you dying night 1 as town and town!me would rather risk keeping scum-you alive over making you feel bad if I'm unsure,

and

I acknowledge I can't read you very well so am unlikely to ever get to that point where I'd be confident you're scum, meaning I'd jump at the chance to save you from dying day 1 without much second thought
And I feel like you should understand that
But you're framing my actions as if they're suspicious?

[Postie]

Hmm. I supposed I can understand that.
What was with the question about poisoned scum though because for real that just feels so fucking dumb and pointless of a thing to ask that idk what I'm supposed to make of it

[Postie]

I mean if you were anyone else it would have a lot more of a purpose. I just wanted to see how much you actually thought about my alignment in terms of that decision.
It had a lot more potential to give me townreads than scumreads.

But I just explained that I have little reason to think about your alignment before healing and then you said you were expecting that response
???

[Postie]

I have a question, Postie: would you townread me more if I never questioned your doc on me and just wrote you off as town which I would be perfectly happy doing and helps me pocket you (my goal)?

No, questions are good, but the way you were asking them felt disingenuous :S

[Postie]

Idk maybe I was just kneejerk put off because I got to stop you from dying a horrible death with a role flavoured as me being a positive person that spreads positivity and then the response felt like "wow look how suspicious and scummy postie is"
Then again I also feel like jumping to acting happy/excited would have actually been pretty scummy and reaction testing me is what you would do as town like close to 100% of the time, but knowing that somehow doesn't make me feel much better about the way you originally approached things so I feel like I'm missing something

[Postie]

I have a question, Postie: would you townread me more if I never questioned your doc on me and just wrote you off as town which I would be perfectly happy doing and helps me pocket you (my goal)?

How does this square with you saying not too long ago that you didn't have a townread on me?

[Postie]

And/or trying to sort me? Am I sorted now? How did you get from there to here?

[Postie]

Firebringer

I'm sorry that the game has been shitty for you, and I'm sorry for saying you were being aggravating (that was a bad choice of words and more intended to speak to RC's perception of your actions)

[Postie]

I only had one heal sorry. =[

[Postie]

NicoRobin is Yume?

Also, it would make sense to have a scum role that benefits from being healed as well as a town role, right? Because like if that's the case then Nico is probscum.

[Postie]

Btw RC I do believe you about your role I think but your reasoning requires us to believe that this isn't a fakeclaim you came up with to trick me into using my role on you.

[Postie]

i'd appreciate if everyone claimed some aspect of their flavour ASAP

specifically where N_M got this impression of you

role flavoured as me being a positive person that spreads positivity

No idea where NM got it from

[Postie]

n-no no pocket pls

Do you have a read on Cheeky

[Postie]

vc

You said you would announce it in thread

I gave postie an Ita shots

I got a notification via PM

[Postie]

It said the hit percentage was a ~mystery~

[Postie]

I have like two reads and both of them are town so idk what I'm doing with this shot yet. Need the lowposters to step up their game.

VOTE: northsidegal

Changed my mind don't townread
Do town things or die

[Postie]

Oh sorry that vote wasn't because you were a lowposter; I wasn't talking about you with that. I just want you to produce more content because you're readable.

[Postie]

THAT'S L-1 BTW

hammers are scumclaims but pressure is good, etc etc

???

It's 5 to lynch.

[Postie]

Cheeky I feel like someday you're going to be scum and pocket me hard and I'll get really badly burned.

I can't wait for that day! I think I tried it on MU lol

I can promise you it's nowhere near as fun as it sounds.

(looking at you Postie)

How many games of not-tunneling do I have to get through before I've redeemed myself p_p
You're town btw

Also I have a read on Cheeky but I don't know what it is
This makes sense in my head

[Postie]

- postie to come back

???

[Postie]

VOTE: Supreme Caregiver

[Postie]

My role is very fitting shockingly
~Maki

Someone heal me, please. It will help the town if someone does.

Are you poisoned? Why didn't you say this in your first post.

~Koki

Postie, does it say you can only save one person?

~Koki

These posts are low-key pinging me as scum.
The second two more for the timing/spacing than the words themselves.

[Postie]

ITA Mulch

Postie did you know you would have a choice of who to heal in this game?

Cheeky what the actual fucking fuck do you want me to use my ITA on you right now

[Postie]

Mulch is the towniest player in this game
He literally gave me an ITA shot after townreading me without knowing any of my reads beforehand
Like I'm not saying he's confirmed town but what the hell are you clowns doing

[Postie]

VOTE: Supreme Caregiver

My role is very fitting shockingly
~Maki

Someone heal me, please. It will help the town if someone does.

Are you poisoned? Why didn't you say this in your first post.

~Koki

Postie, does it say you can only save one person?

~Koki

These posts are low-key pinging me as scum.
The second two more for the timing/spacing than the words themselves.

[Postie]

How the eff is he the towniest player in the game? For town reading you??

without knowing any of my reads beforehand

[Postie]

You didn't answer my question...

You tell me. No really, I want to know what you think the answer to your question is.

[Postie]

Cheeky what I'm saying is why in the fuck does scum!Mulch give his ITA to a random townie who might be up for shooting him or his partner as opposed to someone he knows will shoot town

[Postie]

Are you townreading her? If so, why?

[Postie]

And I'm asking you to think for yourself and take a guess based on everything already in this thread.

[Postie]

Why don't you shoot me Postie? I dislike that it feels like you're tiptoeing around a SR on me.

I'm still sorting you and I'm scumreading Supreme Caregivers harder right now.

[Postie]

And I'm asking you to think for yourself and take a guess based on everything already in this thread.

This wasn't me being passive aggressive I'm actually looking for an answer

[Postie]

My role didn't say what it did it just said I got a heal on day 1 that may or may not do something depending on who I use it on
When I saw your claim I just assumed I was supposed to use it on you
In hindsight I should have probably claimed first and waited to see if there were other people with roles that could have needed healing

No, I didn't know.

What made you consider the possibility of masons?

[Postie]

Yes, depending on who I use it on it either

has an effect

or

has no effect

. For all I knew there was only one person in the game that it had an effect on.
Admittedly, reading my role PM again it does sort of imply that there are multiple people it would have worked on, but not heavily.
RC just came in screaming about how terrible their role was that I assumed it was really heavily negative utility in a way where I was supposed to be the balance-it-out-er.

[Postie]

Because whelp I'm RC or is there something more to it?

[Postie]

Now I'm just confused.

[Postie]

How did you get RT and UCV mixed up?

[Postie]

Hey so Supreme Caregivers I wanted to wait until we had a bit more content but I don't like how the gamestate's looking so I'm like pretty much ready to ITA you right now

[Postie]

Yeah basically. That and it doesn't really feel like you're invested in moving the game forward. Your posts are very flat.

[Postie]

Yeah, that makes sense; I'll go back and see if your explanation changes anything about how it feels to me.

If Maki's around can they explain their scumread of Math
Amrock too actually because I don't understand anyone's reasons except RC

[Postie]

Who is Amrock?

Oops, I meant Mulch. He's Amrock on MU.

Alright so what are your thoughts on your hydra partner's scumread
If I shoot you right now and it goes through who would you want lynched as your dying wish

[Postie]

They're perpetually null to me whereas SC I at least have some gut scum pings from.
What % sure are you nsg is scum?

[Postie]

Also mulling over mulch NSG: he seems to have given the itas to everyone not scumreading NSG. Mulch not giving me a shot when I was top townread is mind boggling. He also kept going on a bunch of derptunnel when I was trying to lynch NSG, fire refused to take my read there seriously, even now he's trying to derail to nicorobin like this gamestate suggests scum were lurking? Also strong gut scumread on the fact that the percentage is unknown because it feels like a scum thing where he influences chances of success somehow.

The way he was really eager to give ITAs out to his townreads as quickly as possible, even when they were willing to shoot him, feels like frustrated town wanting to move the game forward though

Where did Mulch say you were top town? Him not giving you an ITA seems fully in line with posts like 334, 351, and 483.

[Postie]

I mean I'm not Mulch but I think you're literally the last person Mulch would want to give an ITA this game.

[Postie]

I can never tell but is it just me or have their posts been wolfy??

It's just you.

[Postie]

I don't understand why you still want to shoot me, when I answered all your questions and you said you understand where I was coming from. Or do you not understand.

I could see how you could go through that thought process as town, but I don't think it's explicitly towny. I do think your explanation makes those particular posts ping me less. A problem I'm still having is that your posts are just all quite flat and meh and it just doesn't really feel like you're engaging/scumhunting. :L

[Postie]

Hi can you please explain your Mathdino scumread tia

[Postie]

I could random.org between SC and nsg I guess

[Postie]

What if it's literally just SC/nsg

[Postie]

I don't understand the apathy this game. No one is particularly engaging properly with each other and it's ???
Like it's super weird because I don't think anyone is straight-up not trying apart from Nico and yet
here we are

[Postie]

VOTE: NSG ok let's flip this.

Will catch up properly in a few.

you're not flipping town.

NSG's play and how they reacted felt to people saying they should be obv town by now felt extremely genuine and I think Math's play around her slot is scummy join me on that

i kind of townread caregivers honestly, i think there's a genuineness in kokichi's posts (606 to 608, 611 – saying that you have no strong reads seems more likely to come from town than from scum) that i didn't see in the one scumgame that i spectated that he was in.

ewwwwwwwwwww

[Postie]

Which one do I shoot though T_T

[Postie]

Yay, Kiana! Hi again! =]

[Postie]

If you're claiming masons then do it outright

This

Trust me

p__e

[Postie]

ITAs are dayvig shots that have a (usually quite large) chance of failing. If they're "decoys" and Mulch was scum it would've made more sense to just not hand them out I think. More likely, they failed because they're ITAs and ITAs usually have a large chance of failing. I was actually toying with idea of SC being an ITA nerfer earlier based on something they said, how they were approaching my slot, and the fact it would fit flavour-wise, but I think Mulch said he only got to give out ITAs on day 1 so that doesn't actually make sense.

[Postie]

Well that makes my urge to ITA you go up by about 300%

[Postie]

Yeah, that's the response I was expecting. I don't know if it's scum or town though. Someone help.

[Postie]

Like I'm being serious. Just shoot someone, if you notice the game slowed down when you started waffling over this.

~Koki

As cool as it would be to think the reason everyone is sitting on their hands right now is because they're all holding their breath in anticipation for my shot, I'm fairly sure that's not why the game slowed down. And if it is then that's entirely not on me. Town should have enough basic initiative to engage with each other regardless of whether or not I've used my ITA.

[Postie]

Ugh I think if I shoot nsg that's terrible for the gamestate because finding another wagon we all agree on is going to be fairly difficult
So I'm going to reread Math and then shoot between you guys and him

I'll give it until the end of today in case anyone has anything to say wrt to that

[Postie]

I shoot nsg that's terrible for the gamestate because finding another wagon we all agree on is going to be fairly difficult

What's your response to this?
Like where do we wagon if nsg flips

[Postie]

i can confirm that i'm just waiting for postie's shot

i want a flip

You realise there's no guarantee my shot will actually produce a flip right

[Postie]

Right but do you think people are going to follow you onto those wagons RC
Looking at everyone's reads, we probably get Math, doubtful about Mulch and also I'm townreading him

Which honestly just makes me want to shoot SC because I know no one is going to lynch them so like

[Postie]

RC are you able to explain the stuff about what you suspect Mulch's role is any further
Want to think that possibility over

D: these ITA's are bs.

VOTE: Mulch why are you only asking about a scum read on you now? Can you please respond to my previous reasons?

If they were BS, why would the mod reply to them?

~Koki

Especially because I felt like SC taking Cheeky's non-serious comment seriously here was potentially them slipping they knew the ITAs didn't work
But then again they also took the joke about Firehydrant being an informed townie seriously so reiojdfkleiosdkl
ugh

[Postie]

???

I'm not following what you're saying either.

[Postie]

I think I'm just gonna
do my own thing
even if I'm not totally sure

And if it goes through and I'm wrong then I'm sorry and hopefully nsg flips scum

ITA: Supreme Caregiver

[Postie]

RC are you able to explain the stuff about what you suspect Mulch's role is any further
Want to think that possibility over

[Postie]

here was potentially them slipping they knew the ITAs didn't work

We literally got a PM for it. How does this logic make sense.

Serious question, is Posties logic this bad as town always?

This felt like caught-for-the-wrong-reasons frustration fwiw.

[Postie]

I don't understand why you suddenly got so worked up and mad at me when you didn't before while I was literally threatening to shoot you SC. :L

[Postie]

Because I explained why your scumread was wrong and misunderstood as if you were a toddler and still didn't get it.

You explained why one of the reasons I gave was wrong; you didn't (and couldn't, because I wasn't posting all my thoughts in the thread) disprove everything that was going through my mind

I don't know why I'm still engaging with you I'm gonna go take a nap

P-Edit Sure you can be town I guess
RC is town though and that's not a scumclaim lmao

[Postie]

You both had your chance to just trust me and I'm being scumread for bad reasons. We have 2 roles, one is already mod confirmed and this one will be after we use it.

You say that like "trusting you" was objectively the self-evidently correct thing to do or something

RC is town and him being confirmed by some bullshit lie detector thing would get him night 1'd and I literally used my one heal to prevent that happening so why would he ever go along with that jesus

[Postie]

VOTE: northsidegal

[Postie]

Oh I didn't even think of that

Lmao SC claim your full role right the fuck now

[Postie]

UNVOTE:

Taking a nap.

[Postie]

ok but you were just calling SC probable scum, why does their lie detector claim suddenly make them worth following onto us?

i understand you dislike RC's victim complex wrt not being investigated but like... surely you

know

that's how he's going to approach this as town as well as scum?

What started this reversal?

+1

Do you think that I thought you were going to cave?

There's no way this is an all town wagon and if it somehow is I 100% want town to lose this game because yall are fucked in the head.

^The guy who accuses me of gamethrowing

l o l

This post feels like an incredibly disingenuous way of throwing shade, and it's not the only one like this.

[Postie]

SC if you're town I realise you're frustrated with me but if you want to win please listen to me here because a) I have more experience with RC than you, and b) you're tunneling:

Take a step back. Read the longer post RC wrote earlier. It's

not self-meta

, and the only reason to assume it is would be you not having read it. Read it.
You're ignoring the post because you think he can't have any good reasons without ever actually having read it.
Like you have to realise that you ignoring a chunk of the thread because it doesn't fit your view of the game is incredibly anti-town and self-defeating.

I'm trying to reach out to you here because I think there's a good chance you're town, and because I think you're smart enough players to be able to reevaluate your play in situations that call for it. Please prove me right.

[Postie]

786, for reference.

[Postie]

postie who the fuck is scum if SC/RT/me are all town

I never called you town lol

Town RC would want to lead with me too.

Town-RC wouldn't want to be night 1'd after I used my only heal shot to keep him alive, no?

[Postie]

Town-RC wouldn't want to be night 1'd after I used my only heal shot to keep him alive, no?

SC when you get back from wherever you're going I want an answer to this

VOTE: Mathdino

[Postie]

So you're saying there is no possible way he does this as scum? 100% no doubt in your mind?

The bar shouldn't be "if it's not 100% town it's confirmed scum".
Like I don't think I should have to point out to you why that's an incredibly unfair standard to hold someone to?
For the record I'm 90%+ sure.

[Postie]

Also yeah actually please lie detect Dino. It would take a huge amount of stress out of this game right now.

[Postie]

Postie, I'm asking you that question because I'm (ideally) about to be confirmed as town, so we're gonna be in a real prickly situation with you townreading Mulch and trying to defuse a TvT SC vs RC.

nsg and UC are both still null to me. I lightly townread Kiana but they could theoretically also be scum.
If RC's theory that Mulch's ITAs were all 0% proves correct then that negates the main reason I had to townread him.

[Postie]

Check me actually

so i can lynch RC without them pushing back on me because I can't deal with that right now

Why would you being confirmed town change anyone's opinion on RC's alignment
We're not lynching RC period

[Postie]

can i just say that i absolutely love how apparently trying to get investigated is a towntell now

when that's literally exactly the reason SC started going apeshit when you refused to be investigated

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denying_the_antecedent

[Postie]

I feel like Mathdino is obvscum but like I can't understand why he's trying to get investigated.

Math I went through this same thought process so I'm inclined to believe it at the very least isn't outright scummy since, you know, I'm not scum myself.

[Postie]

Except like minus the obvscum part otherwise I wouldn't be talking to you. But I do believe you've been genuinely scummy.

[Postie]

I felt your jump onto and push of RT was opportunistic, and the way you made some posts that felt disingenuous wrt the way you were approaching the slot.

[Postie]

I felt your jump onto and push of RT was opportunistic, and you made some posts that felt disingenuous wrt the way you were approaching the slot.

EBWOP

[Postie]

I did but don't feel it negates the scumminess of your push and how you've been approaching RC in general; it's not

what

you were doing it's how you were doing it.

[Postie]

Links to similar "tests" you've done as town? I actually unironically love self-meta and think it's the best kind of meta.

[Postie]

I've never recovered from my performance in this entire page. Was called an Oscar-worthy performance in the dead thread, lol.

I can also link you some LyLo gambits, which generally consist of me FoSing/voting all over the place and seeing what people do while people WTFread/scumread me until I solve the game.

Hmmweiosmioeefsdjk that doesn't give me the same sort of vibes that I'm getting here. Sorry. =/

[Postie]

Why would you being confirmed town change anyone's opinion on RC's alignment
We're not lynching RC period

[Postie]

I townread Cheeky but there's that small part of me paranoid she's scum buddying the fuck of RC

[Postie]

*out of

[Postie]

Math I've played enough games with RC to know that he'd make that kind of argument regardless of alignment.

[Postie]

Great, so everything RC does is NAI regardless of how pro scum he is

I don't see how his actions indicate he's scum here? Like what he's doing is pro-scum if he's scum but it's also pro-town if he's town so???

[Postie]

RC why would a Godfather fool a lie detector
A lie detector detects lies it doesn't give alignment results

[Postie]

I don't think he's a *godfather* I think it is possible that he's some role that just pops up inno to the lie detector

That seems
extremely unlikely

[Postie]

Yo RC I don't disagree with it being used on nsg or Mulch but I think you're like kneejerk moonlogic-ing because Math's reaction doesn't fit with your scumread of him

[Postie]

I think Mulch's tunnel on you is disconcertingly one-dimensional but I also have a low opinion of his town play and wouldn't really put it past him to be this bad

[Postie]

I'm okay with not checking Math but like
I'm not going to be okay with lynching him later because of this argument
Jsyk

[Postie]

POINT IS: as non-godfather scum, this is also the strategy i would be taking
in the hopes that people think i'm just so fkin townish that i shouldn't be checked anyway
basically i'd be asking for postie's reaction

I'm not townreading you
I just think RC's argument is bad

[Postie]

Whatever I'm done. Postie you can encourage whatever you want but if Mathdino ends up being godfather or variant in endgame don't expect me to take anything you say in mafia seriously ever again.

I'm not saying it's impossible or I wouldn't consider it
I'm just saying it's unlikely and feel it's more of an argument based on paranoia

[Postie]

I wish I didn't have so many nullreads
At what point do we lynch UC if he doesn't show up btw

P-Edit I'm not saying there's guaranteed no godfather I just don't really see what you're seeing wrt the way Math has been requesting being checked
That said the argument that as a rule of thumb we shouldn't check people who ask to be checked isn't a bad one

[Postie]

I would be okay with checking Mulch
I don't like my main reason for townreading him anymore since having all ITAs be 0% would make a lot of sense both balance-wise and given Math's role

[Postie]

I think Mulch is the best check yeah

[Postie]

Giving out 0% ITAs is functionally on the same sort of level as gladiating people in LyLo yeah

[Postie]

like if mathdinos actually town and flips town that's super good for town, probably better than mulch townflip

???

[Postie]

If Mathdino is NOT godfather and is flipped town I think that is more beneficial to town than Mulch being flipped town

Oh I thought by flipped you meant like lynching him

[Postie]

Oh wait you did mean that?

[Postie]

orite
I'm also okay with checking Math

[Postie]

The way SC went about stuff didn't feel like scum though IMO

[Postie]

what about it didn't feel like scum

Not sure I can explain it adequately sorry =[
Maybe just like how self-righteous they were about the whole thing? Not that that's a towntell but the way they did it ugh idk
I think RC said he thought they were town too try asking him

[Postie]

@_@

[Postie]

when N_M gets to the point of warning me for saying 'go boil your head' he obviously doesn't want me in the game anymore so that doesn't engender good feelings.

Fwiw I did not know this was an idiom until I googled it just now after seeing your reaction to getting warned for it. It wouldn't surprise me if N_M just didn't know it was an idiom either.

[Postie]

RC if it makes you feel any better I am town and I hardtownread you <3

inb4 paranoia scumread

[Postie]

Did you read any of the explanations of why RC not being checked is pro-town
Because you're failing to address large sections of the thread in favour of a one-dimensional reductionist tunnel

You're either scum or very badly confbiased
If you're not scum please go back and respond to the arguments presented for RC's actions being town motivated so you have the chance to reevaluate; even if you don't change your mind we can at least read you off your responses and from your PoV you have the opportunity to convince us all why we're wrong I guess

[Postie]

A perhaps quicker way to shoot down your argument about RC being scum for refusing to be copped: he has a history of asking not to be copped as town.
I can't provide links because I remember that happening in games I spectated rather than played in (although there could be some I'm forgetting idk) but I'm sure RC can

Now with that out of the way who do you think is scum

[Postie]

Why is Cheeky town, Mulch?

[Postie]

Do you have some links to throw at me?

@RC

- have you played with scum-Cheeky? What do you make of Mulch's meta read?

[Postie]

Can you not just check Math ffs

[Postie]

This is the best deal ever

Accept it postie

RT is my top townread and you yourself said you're not actually sure they're scum and haven't adressed the numerous criticisms to the one reason you originally insisted made them confirmed scum before apparently changing your mind and then not

What exaclty is your case on them at this point
Because it looks to me like you just got mad at RC near the start of the game and haven't been able to let go of your grudge

[Postie]

I've literally been saying this whole time that lynching you if you flip town out of paranoia there's a godfatherish role is dumb

Make sure to check the agreed upon post - 1079 - if you check Math, SC. To prevent RC pushing godfather reasoning later on if nothing else.

[Postie]

Mulch I'm aware RC has fooled me before plenty of times but I can't remember ever being in a game where I townread scum!RC and didn't feel some level of paranoia at some point.
And this game I just, like, don't. So I feel good about my townread.

P-Edit HALLELUJAH

[Postie]

If that wasn't a reaction test and SC actually checks nsg I don't care for the result either, especially now that both of us have said we won't trust the result.
Like if they check nsg at this point they're just straight-up going out of their way to do what's worst for the game state.

[Postie]

The person they wanna lynch. Isn't that weird?

I don't know about anyone else but that's exactly why I don't want you to check her
We've all come together and decided on a lynch and we're just waiting on you to use your fucking check so we can go through with it and now you wanna waltz in and tell us we've gotta pull another wagon out of our asses somehow

[Postie]

Like I want to just vote you here for how you're blatantly and frustratingly hindering the state of the game but I was townreading you earlier so I'm trying very

very

hard to work with you

Check Math
Then we lynch
Then we have shit done

[Postie]

I want to check RT. Blame him, not us. I don't care for your gamestate, when you don't care for ours

SC, I get the feeling you're not going to want to hear this, but I'm going to say it anyway because I think it's important:

People don't owe you anything because you drew an important power role.

They don't owe it to you to listen to your reads.
They don't owe it to you to cooperate with your idea of how the game should be run.
They don't owe it to you to put up with your anti-town behaviour when you don't get your way.

You want to use your role a particular way, and people aren't letting you, and I understand that that's frustrating. But ultimately mafia is a team game and that means reaching compromises where necessary, because otherwise the game becomes unplayable.
When you can't have your way you can either make an effort to find the next best option or you can choose the dick move of being intentionally anti-town and blaming everyone else for it. You are choosing the dick move.

I've been trying to come up with a less blunt way of putting all this because getting the game to move forward in the best way possible means reaching out to you if you're town in the least offensive way possible so that eiodsjkliosdkljiosdkl teamwork but I don't know how else to express any of this so just like
Hi
Let's get you not lynched
Please
Check Math
We move on and probably lynch scum ez
Everyone wins

[Postie]

Postie why are you still voting me over SC/NSG/CT?

VOTE: northsidegal

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[Postie]

perpetually abuses and harasses women (myself and Maki).

This feels like character assassination via equivocation. The situation is described in terms that might be a stretch but aren't technically incorrect - using very loose/liberal definitions, doing something more than once could be characterised as "perpetual" and attacking someone very aggressively in a game could be characterised as "abuse"/"harassment". However, when grouped together the way they have been here, the words also have another meaning in typical usage; when we hear someone "perpetually abuses and harasses women" we would usually understand that to mean that the person in question routinely engages in behaviour towards women that's sexist, creepy, or even violent.

Kiana, it's okay to be upset with how someone behaved in a game or games, and I know that when you're frustrated it can be easy to say whatever you think will be most likely to get people to really hear your frustration. But you have to understand the way you phrased things here is potentially misleading in a way that isn't okay.