Assassins in the Palace II: Game Over

[ZombieSlayer54]

As far as I can tell from the post Primate made, it appears that in an earlier game he was scum, and managed to outwit people for the entire game.

However, the chances of getting scum all the time are not that great. And, if he was so cunning as scum, I imagine he would be excellent in weeding out the scum in our midsts if he was non-scum.

Of course, according to that logic...

Primate, you seem quite eager to get rid of someone who you have admitted is excellent at what he does... Any reason...?

And you too, Shy Guy. What is with the bandwagoning?

[ZombieSlayer54]

Any reason as to why, Scot?

Or just felt like it?

[ZombieSlayer54]

Hmm.

Well.

It appears that random voting is the norm on this site.

Generally, whenever I play a Mafia game, no one random votes. That probably means they are crappy Mafia games, but whatever.

Anyways. May as well do as the Romans do...

Votes GreasySpot

[ZombieSlayer54]

Well, considering the fact that in Pikmin Mafia when I got suspicious of someone for random voting, almost everyone in the thread was like

"That's how we roll!"

I thought it would be safe to presume that they were not lying.

If others wish to contest their statements, feel free to do so.

[ZombieSlayer54]

JDodge is joking, right?

[ZombieSlayer54]

Huh...

Ok, people, is this how JDodge usually plays?

'Cause ya know, I am new here, and all...

If I learned that JDodge usually acts like this, it would definitely help my head clear out.

[ZombieSlayer54]

JDodge, remember what happened the last time I got bandwagoned on Day 1?

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7885

Although I guess that I can see your reasoning, though.

Just because I was a townie one game does not mean I am a townie this game.

Also, as far as I can tell from those games, speed voting got guards lynched, not Assassins.

[ZombieSlayer54]

JDodge is joking, right?

Never. Shut up and help the town by helping us lynch to. Now.

By the way:

I do not see how speedlynching/random voting helps the town.

You need to logically figure out which person is scum, not just random vote and hope for the best.

Doing so will, usually end up for the worst. A dead townie, and, in this case, narrowing down the targets for the assassins.

At least we will not be able to kill the Khalifs by making a stupid mistake like that, though.

[ZombieSlayer54]

Mod:

ZombieSlayer is quoting ongoing games. Please modkill him so we can go on to lynching someone else. Thank you.

If there is no modkill, I would like to point the town's attention to this:

Just because I was a townie one game does not mean I am a townie this game.

Now lynch. Gogogo.

You know, I seriously think you are joking, and yet for some reason I doubt it.

There is nowhere in the rules that says I can not reference ongoing games (Which I am not even active in anymore, due to Day 1 Bandwagons... ) for the sake of argument in this game.

Is there something wrong with pointing out where I realize your logic is logical?

Ignore the redundancy there.

And what, am I supposed to go around in all of my posts going:

I AM A GUARD! DO NOT LYNCH ME!

Or something like that?

Because even in the games I play, that is obvious stupid scum activity.

[ZombieSlayer54]

LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH

LYNCH THE BOY WONDER WHO STILL CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH CONTENT HURTS THE TOWN

GO GO GO

Logic hurts the town?

Logic keeps townies from getting lynched, and gets scum lynched. I do not see how that hurts the town.

By the way: As far as I can tell, you are not joking any more. Just attempting a bandwagon.

And attempting bandwagons are almost never a townie move.

Unless there is a jester role that we do not know about, or something.

[ZombieSlayer54]

Note: Anyone that feels like arguing that speedlyching is not the optimal strategy will be reading the following until they get it:

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5647
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7999
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5089

If you still do not get it, please speak up.

Also:

This post is full of content.

[ZombieSlayer54]

Votes: JDodge

Seriously dude? Attempting a bandwagon for no good reason is an absolute no-go in my book. At first I thought you were joking. Now...

[ZombieSlayer54]

LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH

LYNCH THE BOY WONDER WHO STILL CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH CONTENT HURTS THE TOWN

GO GO GO

Logic hurts the town?

Logic keeps townies from getting lynched, and gets scum lynched. I do not see how that hurts the town.

By the way: As far as I can tell, you are not joking any more. Just attempting a bandwagon.

And attempting bandwagons are almost never a townie move.

Unless there is a jester role that we do not know about, or something.

It sucks that I again have to make a contentful post

this early

just to get the town going in the correct direction.

In any normal game, yes, content would be great.

This is not in any way a normal game

. In a normal game, scum holds all the info while the town knows nothing - in this game, town's best strategy is to do what scum tries to do - hide their info. The best way to accomplish this is through quicklynching.

In an AITP setup, not giving away any info to the identity of the kings is more important than lynching correctly most of the time - a string of quick bandwagons will in the end be more fruitful than dropping idiotic little tells all over the place that hand the game to the scum. Now shut up and be lynched, now.

Hey, I have an idea.

How about we drop FAKE hints about who the Khalifs are, in an attempt to get the Assassins to slip up? Of course, we would have to masterfully disguise these fake hints, but it is possible.

Maybe? Just maybe?

Content comes in quite handy in doing that, you know.

Also:

Quicklynching will, in the end, just result in more guards killed than anything else. Quicklynching could easily work in the favour of the Assassins, as they will be able to see who the guards are unwilling to quicklynch, and, as the numbers of people narrow down, they will be able to narrow the number of suspects down, resulting in a higher chance of them winning.

You currently have a 1/6 chance of hitting an Assassin by quicklynching. Is that REALLY a chance you want to take?

If you hit a guard, you will then have a 2/11 chance of hitting an Assassin by quick lynching. Once again, really a chance you want to take?

If you hit a guard again, you will then have a 1/5 chance of hitting an Assassin by quick lynching. By this time, the assassins will be able to start discerning who you are avoiding quicklynching, leading them to suspect who the Khalifs are, and, well, 'nuff said.

Now, if you hit an Assassin with this quicklynch, the next day you will have a 1/13 chance of hitting an Assassin. Are THOSE chances you want to take?

If you hit a guard that day, you will then have a 1/12 chance of hitting an Assassin.

If you hit a guard that day, you will have a 1/11 chance of hitting an Assassin, and will, once again, start to reveal who the Khalifs are.

Quicklynching is not the answer.

[ZombieSlayer54]

You know, I am beginning to think these forums are adverse to logic, or something.

I offered logic the last time, and got lynched for it.

I am offering logic this time, and it appears I shall be lynched for it again.

FlameAxe, instead of just saying "OBVIOUS SCUM", as you did in Pikmin, how about you, oh, I dunno, say WHY it makes me "obvious scum"?

You did not last game, and, well, look what I turned out to be that time around.

[ZombieSlayer54]

Vote zombie

ROW ROW ROW ROW ROW

ROW ROW ROW

I've played all 3 AITP games on this site, was a guard in all 3, survived and was killed by the assassin in the end in all 3, and quicklynching won all 3. I know what the right strategy is better than you do. Die die die scum die scum die.

Wow.

Dude, saying that "you know better", and that is why people should follow your advice and lynch somebody?

My vote is even further reinforced.

And quicklynching could, just as easily, have lost all three. It is pure chance, and, in the end, makes you let hints loose about who the Khalifs are.

[ZombieSlayer54]

You know, I am beginning to think these forums are adverse to logic, or something.

I offered logic the last time, and got lynched for it.

I am offering logic this time, and it appears I shall be lynched for it again.

FlameAxe, instead of just saying "OBVIOUS SCUM", as you did in Pikmin, how about you, oh, I dunno, say WHY it makes me "obvious scum"?

You did not last game, and, well, look what I turned out to be that time around.

A) Ongoing games rule...AGAIN. If you plan on playing mafia on this site, please read the site rules. It isn't that hard and is posted at the top of every subforum.
B) Content finds scum, yes. But in this case, content can also reveal kings. We don't want that for obvious reasons.
C) Your odds make me giggle.
D)

How about we drop FAKE hints about who the Khalifs are, in an attempt to get the Assassins to slip up? Of course, we would have to masterfully disguise these fake hints, but it is possible.

Could you be any stupider? Probably. Only time will tell.
E) I suggest reading the AITP game run by Eldarad for Marathon day to figure out this strategy.
F)

And quicklynching could, just as easily, have lost all three. It is pure chance, and, in the end, makes you let hints loose about who the Khalifs are.

Content does no different.

A) Did I comment at all on the game besides my own death? I am just pointing out that the last time someone Day 1 Bandwagoned me, it turned out to not be the best thing to happen.

I did not, in any way, shape, or form, try to influence the game.

I COULD get an offsite game to reference, but, since people on here seem to be so distrustful of other Mafia sites...

B)

I already explained why content is more helpful than it is hurtful. Well, at least it hurts less than quicklynching.

D) Best thing about fake hints: We make them look like real hints. And we make sure to drop real hints in the process, to confuse the Assassins.

E) I already explained how easily quicklynching could have gone in the Assassins' favour.

Also: Shy Guy, if you could tell me how my post was hurtful to the town, I would be pleased.

[ZombieSlayer54]

You know, I am beginning to think these forums are adverse to logic, or something.

I offered logic the last time, and got lynched for it.

I am offering logic this time, and it appears I shall be lynched for it again.

FlameAxe, instead of just saying "OBVIOUS SCUM", as you did in Pikmin, how about you, oh, I dunno, say WHY it makes me "obvious scum"?

You did not last game, and, well, look what I turned out to be that time around.

A) Ongoing games rule...AGAIN. If you plan on playing mafia on this site, please read the site rules. It isn't that hard and is posted at the top of every subforum.
B) Content finds scum, yes. But in this case, content can also reveal kings. We don't want that for obvious reasons.
C) Your odds make me giggle.
D)

How about we drop FAKE hints about who the Khalifs are, in an attempt to get the Assassins to slip up? Of course, we would have to masterfully disguise these fake hints, but it is possible.

Could you be any stupider? Probably. Only time will tell.
E) I suggest reading the AITP game run by Eldarad for Marathon day to figure out this strategy.
F)

And quicklynching could, just as easily, have lost all three. It is pure chance, and, in the end, makes you let hints loose about who the Khalifs are.

Content does no different.

A) Did I comment at all on the game besides my own death? I am just pointing out that the last time someone Day 1 Bandwagoned me, it turned out to not be the best thing to happen.

I did not, in any way, shape, or form, try to influence the game.

I COULD get an offsite game to reference, but, since people on here seem to be so distrustful of other Mafia sites...

B)

I already explained why content is more helpful than it is hurtful. Well, at least it hurts less than quicklynching.

D) Best thing about fake hints: We make them look like real hints. And we make sure to drop real hints in the process, to confuse the Assassins.

E) I already explained how easily quicklynching could have gone in the Assassins' favour.

Also: Shy Guy, if you could tell me how my post was hurtful to the town, I would be pleased.

EBWOP:

Not that it matters, anyways. I put no stake in games in which I am dead. I, frankly, do not care who wins that game, anymore.

[ZombieSlayer54]

A) And was that rule not implemented for the sake of people not influencing on-going games?

B) Because you will end up with a better chance of lynching scum than lynching a guard? And the people you are reluctant to quicklynch will be pinpointed as Khalifs by the Assassins?

D) Confusing the Assassins is retarded?

[ZombieSlayer54]

You're dim. Mostly you're thinking other games have any bearing on your alignment here. Please die.

I already admitted that I could see you logic in the fact that my role in one game does not effect my role in another.

What I was pointing out is the fact that in any game (And fine, FlameAxe. I shall never mention the Pikmin game again, even though I am already dead in the damn thing.) bandwagoning is no good, because you have far more of a chance of killing a townie than scum. In this game, it also points out who you are reluctant to bandwagon to the Assassins, whom can then presume that those people are the Khalifs.

[ZombieSlayer54]

A) And was that rule not implemented for the sake of people not influencing on-going games?

B) Because you will end up with a better chance of lynching scum than lynching a guard? And the people you are reluctant to quicklynch will be pinpointed as Khalifs by the Assassins?

D) Confusing the Assassins is retarded?

B) Yes, and you can just as easily give the assassins a better chance of hitting the kings. Why would you want that, scum? Oh wait, I answered myself with my question. Teehee.

D) How you get there.

A) Rules are rules. If you don't follow them, you shouldn't be able to play. Period.

B) Wait, what are you talking about? How will scumhunting in any way give the Assassins a better chance of hitting the Khalifs?

D) Dropping fake hints about who the Khalifs are is retarded? mind to explain why?

[ZombieSlayer54]

Why the hell are people random voting??? Don't you guys understand how anti-town that is in this kind of game?

How is it anti-town in this game?

[ZombieSlayer54]

Why the hell are people random voting??? Don't you guys understand how anti-town that is in this kind of game?

How is it anti-town in this game?

ABWOP:

Random voting is here for the sake of starting discussion. Few people ever go through with their random vote.

[ZombieSlayer54]

You're dim. Mostly you're thinking other games have any bearing on your alignment here. Please die.

I already admitted that I could see you logic in the fact that my role in one game does not effect my role in another.

What I was pointing out is the fact that in any game (And fine, FlameAxe. I shall never mention the Pikmin game again, even though I am already dead in the damn thing.) bandwagoning is no good, because you have far more of a chance of killing a townie than scum. In this game, it also points out who you are reluctant to bandwagon to the Assassins, whom can then presume that those people are the Khalifs.

Except that any Guard who starts a bandwagon would know enough not to start one on a Khalif. One must question why you didn't notice this - the best reason being that you are an assassin. Diescumdie.

I did notice that. I said you would have more of a chance of killing a townie (In this case a guard) than killing the scum.

In fact, where did I ever mention bandwagoning a Khalif? Or even voting a Khalif?

[ZombieSlayer54]

It's not random voting. Its quicklynching the scum. Hop on.

The first couple of posts were random voting. That = bad.

Everyone needs to go back and read the first game, ASAP.

Also,

vote:Zombieslayer

. He claimed guard so therefore he needs to die.

*facepalm.jpg*

You know, if I had not claimed guard, you would have said something along the lines of:

"Oh, well you are accused of being scum, but you have not denied it! Therefore, YOU MUST BE SCUM!"

I still do not understand that kind of reasoning.

I mean, damned if I do, damned if I do not. Kind of sucks. Really does.

[ZombieSlayer54]

ABWOP:

Random voting is here for the sake of starting discussion. Few people ever go through with their random vote.

We need to, at all costs, avoid any kind of behavior that might give the scum any information. This is actually more important then the actual act of finding scum. Since random voting is somewhat more likely to give scum information then anyone else in the setup, it's bad. Basically, the town's main goal needs to be to keep the scum confused. Also, sorry, but you now need to die.

How does random voting in any way give scum information?

[ZombieSlayer54]

The whole point:

Info finds scum and reveals khalifs. That is quite bad.

My point:

Fake info finds scum and does not reveal Khalifs. That is quite good.

[ZombieSlayer54]

It's not random voting. Its quicklynching the scum. Hop on.

The first couple of posts were random voting. That = bad.

Everyone needs to go back and read the first game, ASAP.

Also,

vote:Zombieslayer

. He claimed guard so therefore he needs to die.

*facepalm.jpg*

You know, if I had not claimed guard, you would have said something along the lines of:

"Oh, well you are accused of being scum, but you have not denied it! Therefore, YOU MUST BE SCUM!"

I still do not understand that kind of reasoning.

I mean, damned if I do, damned if I do not. Kind of sucks. Really does.

Yes. It does. The most pro-town thing you can do at this point is vote yourself - if you are town, you have outed yourself as a guard and are thus useless to us. If you are scum, you're dying anyways because of the first. Sorry, try again next game.

How would I be useless?

[ZombieSlayer54]

*facepalm.jpg*

You know, if I had not claimed guard, you would have said something along the lines of:

"Oh, well you are accused of being scum, but you have not denied it! Therefore, YOU MUST BE SCUM!"

I still do not understand that kind of reasoning.

I mean, damned if I do, damned if I do not. Kind of sucks. Really does.

Ok, you're already dead, but I'll explain this for the benifit of any other pro-town people who didn't read the first game.

The ONLY WAY the town can win this game is if we stop the scum from figuring out who's a guard and who's a Khalif. If someone claims guard, they tell the scum you're not a Khalif. That's the worst thing a pro-town person could do.

NO ONE SHOULD EVER CLAIM ANYTHING IN THIS GAME. Under ANY circumstances. Ever. To do so is a very anti-town act. You're now either a useless guard no scum will ever target, or else you're scum. Either way, it's necessary for the good of the town that you die now.

Ok, I think I see what JDodge was saying in that I am stupid in saying I was a guard.

But think about it this way.

If I claim that I am a guard, but end up actually being a Khalif, and the Assassins think that I am just a "useless guard they would never target", is this not a pro-town act?

And say an Assassin realizes the above logic, which, of course, they will do now.

Would this not merely confuse him more as to why the guards are?

Heck, I propose we get everyone to say they are guards. This would confuse the Assassins beyond belief.

[ZombieSlayer54]

FlameAxe:

I would appreciate it if you at least tried to combat my logic. I notice that you do not do that a lot...

Instead, all you say is: LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH BANDWAGON BANDWAGON BANDWAGON BANDWAGON BANDWAGON

[ZombieSlayer54]

FlameAxe:

I would appreciate it if you at least tried to combat my logic. I notice that you do not do that a lot...

Instead, all you say is: LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH BANDWAGON BANDWAGON BANDWAGON BANDWAGON BANDWAGON

Your logic is very one-sided. I have attempted to combat it, but you seem to be incapable of looking at it both ways.

I have new logic out. Please try to combat that, if you would.

If you do not, all I can say is that you have no argument against it, which means that my logic is infallible, which means that...

Well, I think you get where I am going with this.

[ZombieSlayer54]

It's the same logic. Sorry.


ROW ROW ROW ROW ROW ROW ROW ROW.

*Facepalm.jpg*

Whatever. There is no convincing people like you.

Be as illogical as you want.

In fact, I may as well be illogical as well, since it seems that everyone else on this site makes moves based purely on impulse.

[ZombieSlayer54]

FlameAxe:

I would appreciate it if you at least tried to combat my logic. I notice that you do not do that a lot...

Instead, all you say is: LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH BANDWAGON BANDWAGON BANDWAGON BANDWAGON BANDWAGON

Your logic is very one-sided. I have attempted to combat it, but you seem to be incapable of looking at it both ways.

I have new logic out. Please try to combat that, if you would.

If you do not, all I can say is that you have no argument against it, which means that my logic is infallible, which means that...

Well, I think you get where I am going with this.

Not really. Saying that your logic is infallible because one person can't combat it is like saying that a skyscraper is terrorist-proof because someone set off a cherry bomb in one of the toilets.

Saying my illogical is infallible because nobody can combat it is a different situation.

I invite anyone and everyone to combat my logic. If no one does...

[ZombieSlayer54]

FlameAxe:

I would appreciate it if you at least tried to combat my logic. I notice that you do not do that a lot...

Instead, all you say is: LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH BANDWAGON BANDWAGON BANDWAGON BANDWAGON BANDWAGON

Your logic is very one-sided. I have attempted to combat it, but you seem to be incapable of looking at it both ways.

I have new logic out. Please try to combat that, if you would.

If you do not, all I can say is that you have no argument against it, which means that my logic is infallible, which means that...

Well, I think you get where I am going with this.

Not really. Saying that your logic is infallible because one person can't combat it is like saying that a skyscraper is terrorist-proof because someone set off a cherry bomb in one of the toilets.

Saying my illogical is infallible because nobody can combat it is a different situation.

I invite anyone and everyone to combat my logic. If no one does...

Except you said that if I didn't combat it, it was infallible...You said it, right up there. See?

Ugh. Ok, I admit my mistake. What I MEANT to say was:

I have new logic out. Please try to combat that, if you would.

If nobody does, all I can say is that nobody has any argument against it, which means that my logic is infallible, which means that...

Well, I think you get where I am going with this.

So, can someone please try to combat my logic?

[ZombieSlayer54]

Zombie: If this was a normal mafia game, I'd be all in favor of encouraging you to logically state your case, to have everyone logically argue it, and all that. The problem is, that's not as good an idea in an AITP game. Too many people have already voted for you. Too many people have already commented on you. Even if it wasn't for your claim, it would still be way too obveous to the scum that you're not a Khalif. That means you have to die.

We just can't afford to go through several big bandwagosn a day, to let them build up and then fade away like we would in a normal mafia game. That gives away too much information. Once a bandwagon has gotten to this point in an AITP game, it can't be stopped, and it shouldn't be either.

And since the lynch on you is inevtiable now, going through and logically debating every point like you want us too can't gain us anything, but it very easily could result in some kind of slip on someone's part.

So, yeah. I realize how counter-intuitive it is, it's not my style in a normal mafia game, but I'm afraid here, the correct pro-town move is for everyone to say

LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH BANDWAGON BANDWAGON BANDWAGON BANDWAGON BANDWAGON

And then bandwagon you to a lynch, as quickly as possible.

And, to the Assassins, the guards could be voting a Khalif to draw suspicion off of that person.

Of course, since the Assassins know the role of anybody but themselves, they can not know this, so this would only help to confuse them.

So... You want me to be lynched... Just because everyone else wants me to be lynched...?

1/6 chance, people...

[ZombieSlayer54]

Oh, by the way, in that case....

Unvote: JDodge Vote: Yosarian2

LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH BANDWAGON BANDWAGON BANDWAGON BANDWAGON BANDWAGON

JDodge, have I not already said what Quicklynching leads to?

[ZombieSlayer54]

You're an idiot. Vote for yourself before you do more irreparable harm to the town.

This is not your game. This is not in any way suitable for you. You are becoming more of a liability by the moment and you need to die right this instant. You are a horrible player for this sort of game; you think logic reigns supreme in every last situation you see.

Thank you for playing, go away.

I just did the same thing you did, and now you are calling me an idiot because of it?

I love the irony here. I really do. I should go get some toast for the sake of spreading the irony on it like butter.

[ZombieSlayer54]

You're an idiot. Vote for yourself before you do more irreparable harm to the town.

This is not your game. This is not in any way suitable for you. You are becoming more of a liability by the moment and you need to die right this instant. You are a horrible player for this sort of game; you think logic reigns supreme in every last situation you see.

Thank you for playing, go away.

I just did the same thing you did, and now you are calling me an idiot because of it?

I love the irony here. I really do. I should go get some toast for the sake of spreading the irony on it like butter.

You're not realizing why you need to be lynched even though it's been spelled out for you numerous times already. That makes you an idiot. I'm not going to respond to this any more because I don't want to encourage you to post more so that you can harm the town more. Now please, go away and die.

You first voted me for the sake of getting a bandwagon going, for the sake of speedlynch.

Now you say that you were voting me because of the fact that I am harming the town?

Make up your mind.

[ZombieSlayer54]

Question:

If I am getting bandwagoned, in any game, am I just supposed to shut up and die, "for the sake of the town"?

[ZombieSlayer54]

Ok then.

I will just shut up and die, and let the town do something I know to be anti-town, "for the sake of the town".

In fact, I may as well do that in all Mafia games I play from now on, since that seems to be the rule of the land around here.

[ZombieSlayer54]

Well then, I may as well just shut up and die in this game, then.

Not like you people will listen to any logic I offer anyways, since you say logic hurts the town.

I STILL can not conceive of how to that works, but I guess it does, since JDodge is such a frickin' expert.

But seriously, if you know people are doing something anti-town, are you just supposed to sit back and let them do it?

[ZombieSlayer54]

Also:

Unvote: Yosarian2 Vote: ZombieSlayer54

*Commences sitting down, shutting up, and dieing*

[ZombieSlayer54]

Problem is, it can be either anti-town or pro-town.

Quicklynching is anti-town if it hits a guard.

Quicklynching is pro-town if it hits an assassin.

1/6 chance it hits an assassin, today.

Oh, wait. I forgot. I am just supposed to sit down, shut up, and die. 'Cause, you know, logic is bad, mkay? ESPECIALLY when you know it is pro-town logic.

[ZombieSlayer54]

Too bad that what I say could just end up confusing the Assassins.

WHOOPS! LOGIC AGAIN! MAH BAD!

[ZombieSlayer54]

Bah.

[ZombieSlayer54]

Oh. My. God.

Shy Guy, I love you. I bloody love you.

[ZombieSlayer54]

Ok, JDodge:

Stop being such an asshole. Seriously.

You can criticize him for making mistakes, but for the love of god, do not get on him like that, with the "YOU ARE AN IDIOT!"

Seriously dude. It is not cool.

Question to people who have been around more than I have:

Has he always been like this?

[ZombieSlayer54]

Note: I will agree that reflex voting is a bad thing to do. Shy Guy and I were discussing how we should look out for reflex voting at the start of the game. However, I would simply tell Daamno about his mistake, and recommend he does not do it again, rather than start yelling at him.

[ZombieSlayer54]

Ok, JDodge:

Stop being such an asshole. Seriously.

You can criticize him for making mistakes, but for the love of god, do not get on him like that, with the "YOU ARE AN IDIOT!"

Seriously dude. It is not cool.

Question to people who have been around more than I have:

Has he always been like this?

He is an idiot. He single-handedly lost us the game for something that should have been obvious. You're angry because I caught you out on page 1.

q21 I can chalk up to inexperience - Daamno's mistake is inexcusable.

Jesus Christ dude.

You are like this in EVERY game I see you.

You need to stop being such a sore loser.

You lost, ok? If you think someone caused you to lose, tell him how, politely, how to not make the same mistake in a game again.

Calling someone an idiot and ranting and raving will do nothing but make people hate you.

[ZombieSlayer54]

Oh, and just to let you know, I was acting EXACTLY like I would have been if I was a guard. I.E. If I was a guard, you would have lynched a guard.

Speed-lynching does NOT work, people.

And neither does insulting someone to hell and back.

I mean, I MIGHT be able to understand the attitude of JDodge if he did it only in-game. The mass amount of insults towards a person would cause them to trip up and give away valuable information they hold. However, JDodge is like this even after a game. This just says that he is a general asshole.

[ZombieSlayer54]

Zombie, you are of the mistaken opinion that I give a shit what you think of me.

Please cease this immediately.

And now I refer you to the signature I use on the XBOX forums:

My opinions are like kittens, I just give them away. In fact, the only opinions I do not give are the opinions I do not have.

I have an opinion. I want to share it. So I do. If you do not want to listen to it, fine.

[ZombieSlayer54]

First of all, ZombieSlayer, I wouldn't say that you were acting exactly the same if I were you. I know it

feels

like it, and from your perspective it's true, but there are frequently

unconscious differences

that you can't detect.

And sadly, speedlynching does work. That's why I personally don't like AitP that much. There is very little incentive for the town to discuss very much, and while I tend to be an advocate of speeding games up, AitP is just too fast and too mindless (for the most part).

Obviously. However, I doubt my attitude would have changed so much as to not garner the votes.

I still disagree that speed-lynching works, but let us say it does.

Where is the fun in a Mafia game (And, contrary to what JDodge may believe, Mafia games ARE meant to be played for fun. Not to win.) if all you do is choose one person per day to lynch, without any debate what-so-ever?

[ZombieSlayer54]

Please take heated arguments to PMs. If you have suggestions or constructive criticism, that is fine, but from this point I will edit or delete posts if they cross the line (that line being determined solely by me).

Nobody wants to read bickering at the finish of a game. Take it outside.

Very well.

[ZombieSlayer54]

Q21 is not a Khalif, Shy Guy?

Heh.

[ZombieSlayer54]

Oh, and just to let you know, I was acting EXACTLY like I would have been if I was a guard. I.E. If I was a guard, you would have lynched a guard.

Speed-lynching does NOT work, people.

And neither does insulting someone to hell and back.

I mean, I MIGHT be able to understand the attitude of JDodge if he did it only in-game. The mass amount of insults towards a person would cause them to trip up and give away valuable information they hold. However, JDodge is like this even after a game. This just says that he is a general asshole.

I've got to say, the reason I was voting you wan't because of speed lynching, it was because I thought it was fairly obveous you were scum. A lot of the suggestions you made (like everyone hinting who the kings were to try to confuse the scum) seemed anti-town, and even stuff like "Yosarian, why is random voting bad?" would have been really bad questions for me to answer (since, obveously, people HAD random voted, and I already knew if the people they'd random voted for were kings or not, it was a really dangerous subject).

Basically, you weren't randomally speedlynched, you were lynched because you looked scummy; but some of the ways in which you looked scummy were things that would have been dangerous for pro-town people to discuss.

The problem is is that was how I would have acted if I was a guard anyways. I would logically try to look for scum, and try to confuse the scum. I would not just sit there, and hope that speedlynching would work.

And I had to defend myself due to the fact that JDodge "randomly" chose me to be speedlynched. That just resulted in me looking scummy, since, apparently, you are supposed to let the town do something you know to be anti-town if you are town, instead of trying to convince them not to do so, which would be the logical thing to do.

[ZombieSlayer54]

I have never seen someone bitch so much, especially after they won.

I am just trying to make future AitP games more fun. Jeez.