Just Play the Hits uPick - Video Killed the Radio Star

[Gamma Emerald]

So I'm not done checking yet but I think I know one scum based on MD's town implosion theory: SleepyKrew. Votes a null lurker for quite a while, also calls me his greatest scumread with no effort to push it ever. Most likely scum who wanted an easy wagon and didn't want to shift attention to themselves by changing the wagon state.
VOTE: SleepyKrew

[CooLDoG]

Actually, I had sort of forgotten about it, but I never really dropped my scum read on gamma.

I never liked his responses when I called him out.

I feel like continuing my wagon from day one.

VOTE: gamma

let's go then.

vote: gamma Emerald

better hope he don't flip scum math.

[Venmar]

Sorry brudah, I'm town this time.

I can also literally prove it, if you give me time.

feel free to prove it anytime

can players townreading CoolDog tell me why? difficult to explain at the moment, i'll take a better look tomorrow

mainly just a lot of mirror telling in general; cooldog built my initial case on dino for me before i even had a chance to do so myself. even more recently and relevantly, though, i'm townreading cooldogs push on elton john since, again, he mirrored me on my thoughts when i iso'd elton myself. i think his effort is town-motivated, though admittedly some of my feelings on cd is gut orientated, but he is probably one of my more comfortable townreads and i'll sit on it for sure for now.

i'm currently in a state of mind where cooldog and chara are the only townie players and everyone else i'd be fine with combusting, and it's not healthy for me

[Venmar]

actually in retrospect i might be fine with sidelining both gamma and hebichan as tentative townreads for now. i initially wanted to scumread hebichan for his inconsistency regarding his read on gamma, but from his attitude i think i might be ok with writing it off as just genuine absentmindedness rather than scummy behaviour. gammas brief sparring with cooldog last page is also enough for me to feel better about the slot i think, mainly gut though

i think our scum lynchpool today should be between mathdino, varsoon, sir elton john, and sleepykrew, probably in that order of preference, though varsoon and elton are interchangable

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unfortunately this analysis of gamma seems overanalised, even if it's coming from what i'm reading as townie intentions on the part of cooldog.

@Mod: If it hasn't been so already, can we get a prod on the Trodded Tripod?

[Venmar]

just to be clear i think i do agree with cooldog that one of math or gamma is scum, but i'm very sure that dino is the one of the two that is scum, and if there is a flopping scum-hopper between the two wagons i think varsoon is the bigger culprit than gamma in that regard.

[SleepyKrew]

Going to reread this whole game (which shouldn't be too hard) while also trying to sleep early tonight. So probably half the game tonight half when I wake up.

[Varsoon]

Well, I'd be able to prove it today, but a certain buttface global blocked.

[CooLDoG]

varson, was reading your iso until I had to pack-up for traveling reasons. Found these two posts early d1 that I would like your comment on.

I also imagine the scumteam has some capacity to keep our negative utility abilities from popping off and letting us all go into having positive utility abilities/passives.
So I'm kind of against claiming if only because if I designed this setup, scum would definitely have a factional ability to revert up to two players a night back to their 'need to use the negative ability' state.

Right, it does seem reasonable for you not to claim your negative ability, or any ability for that matter, early in the game before n1 (actually probably n2 in this game due to the positive abilities being broken out. HOWEVER, I'm interested to know what you think of Vinmar given this previous sentiment of thinking that such a global roleblock is a scum factional ability.... It is also notable that Venmar was one of your strong early d1 town reads, and I'm wondering if his claim is what made you change your mind or something else.

Even if there is literally nothing scum can do to mechanically punish negative utility use, simply by knowing who has and hasn't used their negative utility, they can keep tabs on who has enabled their positive PR parts of their role, which gives scum a clearer idea of who to kill from a purely mechanical standpoint.

+1 to this post. This seems to be clearly correct, and someone should claim the use of their negative ability if and only if it effects a large swath of the town or, perhaps, if it directly implicates them as scum to another player (i.e. a fake guilty to someone, like a reverse mason sort of thing) and they are pushed to do so. As you correctly note, scum know that venmar is the only player who, presumably, has access to a positive ability at this point. Which is unfortunate in some respects, because there is no doctor wifom. Although potential multi-ball still presents a sort prisoners dilemma for the two scum teams.

[Venmar]

All things considered i don't expect to survive n2. everyone should treat me as conftown at this point

[Varsoon]

I feel like I know nothing this game. I guess I'm still townreading Venmar.

[xRECKONERx]

@Mod: If it hasn't been so already, can we get a prod on the Trodded Tripod?

He let me know he was going to be out of town until Sunday.

[xRECKONERx]

Votecount 2.4

Mathdino(2)

~ Venmar(18), Espeonage(7)

hebichan(2)

~ Mathdino(13), Varsoon(15)

Gamma Emerald(2)

~ hebichan(3), CooLDoG(15)

SleepyKrew(1)

~ Gamma Emerald(16)


Not Voting (5): Sir Elton Hercules John(1), SleepyKrew(5), Chara(12), pirate mollie(4), Vaxkiller(4)

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2018-03-21 07:15:00)

Espeonage has been prodded.

[Espeonage]

Apologies. Will do something more substantial once I get to work.

[Venmar]

this game is truly a pinnacle of activity and scum must be lulzing as they coast

It is also notable that Venmar was one of your strong early d1 town reads, and I'm wondering if his claim is what made you change your mind or something else.

pretty sure this is a typo but i'm compelled to fact-check this since varsoon hard scumread me d1, didn't mention a townread on me till this day

I feel like I know nothing this game. I guess I'm still townreading Venmar.

i guess i cant blame someone for feeling lost in this game but why is this the case for you? im currently broken on the fact that you (Varsoon) were quite active and 'helpful' early d1 and then just kind of receded into... being the opposite of both of those things? i feel like you definitely should "know more" than just townread me.

[Mathdino]

this game is truly a pinnacle of activity and scum must be lulzing as they coast

Literally my point all day

Do you have any read on the lack of apparent scum trying save me or hebichan

Cuz I'm inching toward literally lynching every single lurker slot

[Varsoon]

My lynch flipped green and now I don't feel motivated at all.
Then the guy I was gonna push as scum today also flipped green.
So it's like
"Wow you're totally wrong about everything Varsoon"
and I dunno.
It's just a bummer. I need some time to really get my wits about me.
I gotta assume part of why I was allowed to live was because I had really useless reads.

[Gamma Emerald]

this game is truly a pinnacle of activity and scum must be lulzing as they coast

Literally my point all day

Do you have any read on the lack of apparent scum trying save me or hebichan

Cuz I'm inching toward literally lynching every single lurker slot

Don't lynch lurkers, lynch the ones that don't give a shit about changing the gamestate, like Sleepy who has me as his greatest SR yet does not care to push it ever, and decided to votepark on a null lurker.

[Venmar]

Do you have any read on the lack of apparent scum trying save me or hebichan

i don't think that there's enough of a momentum on either of you to warrant "saving" yet.

not sure what to make of varsoon's response there but i think he's really committing to the "defeatist" narrative even though i don't think it makes much sense here. his attitude reads as apathetic scum unsure of direction right now since i think from town-varsoons point of view there clearly should be something to go off of.

[Varsoon]

What's the clear thing, Venmar?
Lynch you because you claimed a global roleblock?

[Venmar]

[hebichan]

I don't think we should really be lynching based on claims here, all the roles are NAI.

I think the clear varsoon move is to start voting on something to pressure. But what do I know.


What are your thoughts on Gamma, SK, Me and Math?

Cause right now your read on venmar is rather unimportant, there's no way I would lynch the slot and I think most people are in the same spot.

[CooLDoG]

I don't think we should really be lynching based on claims here, all the roles are NAI.

an observation we should all take into consideration.

Also, like hebi also notes, it would be a good idea to start pushing shit at some point, let's

not

let deadline creep up on us and have to speed lynch some shit with a claim from the dark.

[CooLDoG]

this game is truly a pinnacle of activity and scum must be lulzing as they coast

Literally my point all day

Do you have any read on the lack of apparent scum trying save me or hebichan

Cuz I'm inching toward literally lynching every single lurker slot

the lurkers are:

hebichan
Sir Elton Hercules John
Chara

in my estimation. Lynching a lurker is not the worst idea, with the best of course being sir elton. For reasons already specified which he conspicuously doesn't address and does nothing to remedy (no scum hunting)

this game is truly a pinnacle of activity and scum must be lulzing as they coast

Literally my point all day

Do you have any read on the lack of apparent scum trying save me or hebichan

Cuz I'm inching toward literally lynching every single lurker slot

Don't lynch lurkers, lynch the ones that don't give a shit about changing the gamestate, like Sleepy who has me as his greatest SR yet does not care to push it ever, and decided to votepark on a null lurker.

But there is the theory point that inactive game-states hurt the town, and that lynching a lurker inevitably leads to some of them ending up in lylo, usually scum ones because wagons on them are harder to push. And, Elton is guilty of something that Hebi is not, and that of course not even trying to play the game. *shrug* I go where my scum reads take me though. And I really want to lynch the claimed janitor bullshit or you instead. But elton is my lurker compromise to ya'll if your team wants to lynch one of the other teams' squad...

@varsoon:

he "Well, That Sucks" Tell

The general form of this tell is "a player who comments on the outcome of a night when that outcome was detrimental to one or more factions is very probably scum".

This tell usually appears when a no-kill night occurs (or a low-kill night in a game with many killing roles) or when one or more major power roles is NK'ed.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... dard_Tells

[Varsoon]

Useless tell, I'm town.
Again, I can mechanically prove it.

That tell is maybe more useful in an Open or non-role madness game. I think literally everyone in this game would want to get their negative abilities out the way so they could use their positive utility sooner.

Anyway, I'm townreading you, Venmar. Sorry for not voting you, I guess? If that makes my actions inconsistent with the logic I laid down earlier, guess I'll just have to be a loser like that.

[Gamma Emerald]

Lol even in rolemadness that tell can be used