Team Mafia 2018: Game 3 - Random GIFs Game Over

[Archwing]

Hi all! Just checking in before I head off to work... I'll try to read up a bit on break and I'll come back and say some shit when I'm off.
Any chance someone can give me a quick tldr of this game? Claims, current wagon, etc. Would be helpful! highly doubt I can make it through 116 pages of content.

[Archwing]

hey Dino thanks for taking the time to do that

[Archwing]

quite a few people have posted since dino summed up this game, and (with the exception of a couple remarks from chesskid) everyone seems to be satisfied with the facts dino presented... is that fair to say? ie: there does not seem to be a large bias present in his catchup posts

[Archwing]

@chess
also if you could show me where UCV claimed miller that would be splendid. i'd like to see that.

[Archwing]

Go ahead and claim, though. If you're claiming PR, we need time to pick another wagon.

yeah this, essentially. if you're town, you're only hurting us at this point

[Archwing]

Hey Archwing, I'd like a paraphrase on all the notes creature has ever made about this game, with dates (no timestamps)

You're allowed to paraphrase things, just not quote, copy or paste

Not gonna let me ease into it, eh? fine.

k so, game started on 20th of Jan.
on 22nd creature wanted UCV to push LLD and skirt skirt.
early town reads on dunker bins and a50.
keychain looks bad, thus he makes the first scum team guess of {lld, skirt, keychain}
later (still 22nd) says must be reading keychain wrong.
keeps saying he wants eddie cane pushed.
thinks elena would most likely choose scum from her team
on 23rd, says skirt hasn't done enough for him to 180 flip read him
25th says {elena LLD transcend}
also thinks TBone doesn't pick scum and then lurk 'til lynched.
29th thinks bins being dino's top lynch is wtffff
thinks NSG and dino are the most likely people on your team to pick scum.
on the first of feb, thought about pushing chess for scum, then retracted and said stay on havingfitz.
6th of feb, thinks chess + CDB scum. keychain town, don't push the wagon.
A50's post 2053 has a solid case on chesskid scum.
and finally, CDB still looks bad.

[Archwing]

sorry, rushed for time. terrible format. many sorry's.

[Archwing]

i apologize on his behalf

[Archwing]

i apologize on his behalf

Speaking of this, there was a huge portion of the game where I tried to strongarm UCV into swapping out with Creature due to total inactivity on UCV's part.

Was there any talk in the team PT/Discord as to why this didn't happen? Or whether or not they were even considering it?

Crickets, friend. I was not aware until you told me. Essentially my entire team has forgotten about this game, and just kept yelling at ucv to do something, and he never did

[Archwing]

Elena why are you so hesitant to claim?

[Archwing]

Hey dino. How does quoting creature make me conftown?
How do I know you arent pulling what you did in our masons and monks to try to get me vigged/NKd/whatever

Also elena, if you can read right now, doesn't seem like you get to direct today's lynch. Or tomorrow's, if you're around

[Archwing]

You're townreading the town's entire lynchpool, of course you put me first.

Also that's literally the lynch order if I die. A break-in-case-of-emergency. I'm far more likely to be NK'd than lynched literally tomorrow/the next day.

Edit:
@Archwing:
1. Creature is absolutely horrible as scum and hates playing scum. I was testing UCV throughout the day to see if Creature was paying attention. It seems like Creats was until UCV dropped off the face of the planet.
There are things that Creature basically can't fake. And a long conversation in a private topic trying to solve the game is definitely not one of them.

2. I would actually prefer you not get NK'd because I generally like having Creature's reads in play. He has a lot of accuracy but none of the charisma to back it up.

1. I still don't see how that makes my slot conftown? Like how do I know scum!dino isn t trying to pocket the newcomer in a 100+ page game?

2. That's a great way to get me night killed. Thanks.

[Archwing]

New lynch/check order if I die (assuming Elena townflip):
Elena > Bins > T-Bone > Titus > Bulbazak > Radja/chesskid

Do not let Bulbazak live to LyLo.

There's a very specific reason for this that I can't talk about. I once again encourage people to think about why I claimed there was an exactly 50% chance Bulb was scum, about a week or so ago. Rethinking, it would've been more accurate to say 33%.

Lynch Keychain in the end if RC hardpushes town repeatedly. Same goes to chesskid. Both of their teams are capable of solving this game by the end.

If Elena scumflip, gut says:
Titus > T-Bone > xyzzy > chesskid > Radja > Bulbazak > Keychain > CDB

Obviously you'll only have 5 lynches, but when the massclaim hits you'll be able to remove names from both lists.

Never lynch under any circumstances: Dunkerdoodles, Archwing.

GL is back, thoughts from him incoming.

Seeing dino flip town fruit vendor gives this post more validity to me.

[Archwing]

Titus, if Elena is not in your lynch pool today, who is?

[Archwing]

Just highlighting Archwing posting in Queue but not here.

Yeah, sorry I've been reading up but haven't had time to get right into this. I'm currently just getting ready for work, so I'm dropping in and I'm gonna explain my reads when I get back home. That being said;

creature believes Titus would be today's best lynch, and he also has had suspicion on CDB this whole game. This is where I'm gonna start.

We agree on townreading Bins and Dunker, Bulb..

this makes the lynch pool {Titus, CDB, Keychain, Radja, chess} which I can sit with for now. Like I said, I'm gonna explain this more when I get off work.

[Archwing]

hi.

i was expecting you guys to say more while I was gone.

[Archwing]

chess, you're still in creatures lynch pool for today

[Archwing]

titus not really sure what you mean by every player on my team? like i've only explained creature's reads tbh.

[Archwing]

keychain, creature would like to know how you feel about chesskid?

[Archwing]

me, personally, I'd like to start with this
VOTE: Radja
also radja, can you give me a tldr of why chess is scum? you pushed him pretty hard yesterday.

[Archwing]

I feel like as a town whole, everyone right now is all over the fucking map. Everyone's SRing something different.
Can everyone give a 3-player lynch pool?

See when I played with chess, he was super aggressive af and I don't get the same vibes here, but I also don't necessarily think we have scum!chess either.

[Archwing]

word from creature says havingfitz!scum as well as titus ad chesskid. I actually agree... VOTE: havingfitz titus can go tomorrow.

other than that

well. nothing more really. i will reread tomorrow unless i missed something and then make a more detailed post

Detail from this never came.

not much I can really say about my predecessor... he did not leave notes and there is nothing in the discord about it.

[Archwing]

titus not really sure what you mean by every player on my team? like i've only explained creature's reads tbh.

Explain why for each read.

I had been asked for WHAT creatures reads were, so I asked and he gave them. I don't have all of his reasoning why his reads are the way they are.
I'm trying to start from 100 pages in and get reads from interactions now. I'm going off a lot of gut reads and feelings right now. It's gonna take me a bit of time... the more discussion that happens, the better this will be.

[Archwing]

Remind me that Eddie has a lot to say and I need to put that in.

looking forward to this.

[Archwing]

@keychain, can you give me a 3-player lynch pool?

[Archwing]

never said I think chesskid is town. I'm null, at best, with him.
I played a game, when I was scum and chess was town vig, and he had me read early d1. he was super aggressive and death tunneled me (and my partner too lol)
I don't get those vibes from him.

[Archwing]

That's what my teammates are hard scumreading him for.

yeah and I get that. thats why i'm not TRing him... I guess i'm not SRing him yet though. I haven't seen chess as a VT, and so maybe this could be it? maybe he's more forward as a PR? iunno. I'm not really interested in sorting this slot right now.

xyzzy I personally have no read on at all. creature believes he is null/town.

[Archwing]

He is in creatures lynch pool of 5.
Radja, if not chess, who would you wanna lynch today?

[Archwing]

Not really. When asked, he gave very dry reads. I know he's busy in his own game and hasn't paid much attention here post-UCV. He has been helping LQ too.

Frankly I'm getting annoyed that people are using me as a means to have creature in this game instead.

[Archwing]

oh boy. this sounds funderful.

[Archwing]

ok does everyone agree that bulba me minaslot and Dunkerdoodles are town?

Therefore we have 2 scum in chess radja key bins xzzy and archwing?

I'd put the townbloc as me, bulba, dunker, and maybe bins. poe the rest.

[Archwing]

Hey mina, I'll answer your questions for me by tomorrow afternoon at the latest when I can get to my computer

[Archwing]

great news guys. creature has spoken!

[Archwing]

thinks y'all are annoying for hounding me for his reads, and surprising that you haven't noticed that he has been slacking on his own personal game, so asking him for reads here is even bigger stretch.

creature says he had LLD scumread WAY BEFORE ucv "hopped over to the wagon when it became inevitable" so that theory is bs.

because I can't recall, creature wants to know if Radja is a known busser in meta? this is my first exposure with them so i can't say for sure.

he would also like to hear thoughts from Radja's team

[Archwing]

Hey Archwing, I'd like a paraphrase on all the notes creature has ever made about this game, with dates (no timestamps)

You're allowed to paraphrase things, just not quote, copy or paste

Not gonna let me ease into it, eh? fine.

k so, game started on 20th of Jan.
on 22nd creature wanted UCV to push LLD and skirt skirt.
early town reads on dunker bins and a50.
keychain looks bad, thus he makes the first scum team guess of {lld, skirt, keychain}
later (still 22nd) says must be reading keychain wrong.
keeps saying he wants eddie cane pushed.
thinks elena would most likely choose scum from her team
on 23rd, says skirt hasn't done enough for him to 180 flip read him
25th says {elena LLD transcend}
also thinks TBone doesn't pick scum and then lurk 'til lynched.
29th thinks bins being dino's top lynch is wtffff
thinks NSG and dino are the most likely people on your team to pick scum.
on the first of feb, thought about pushing chess for scum, then retracted and said stay on havingfitz.
6th of feb, thinks chess + CDB scum. keychain town, don't push the wagon.
A50's post 2053 has a solid case on chesskid scum.
and finally, CDB still looks bad.

vc

Votecount 1.03

T-Bone (1)

Bins ,

skirt skirt (4)

Lady Lamdadelta , Bulbazak , T-Bone , UC Voyager ,

Lady Lamdadelta (1)

Smocaine ,

Bins (1)

Mathdino ,

Bulbazak (1)

skirt skirt ,

Elena Fisher (1)

Keychain ,

Almost50 (2)

Dunkerdoodles , Radja ,

Not Voting (4)

Aeronaut , ChannelDelibird , Elena Fisher , Almost50 ,

Day one deadline is Sunday February 4, 9 PM PST. (expired on 2018-02-04 21:00:00)

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch!

[/size]

Votecount 1.11

Titus (5)

Bulbazak , T-Bone , UC Voyager , Aeronaut , Almost50 ,

Titus (4)

T-Bone , UC Voyager , Aeronaut , Almost50 ,

havingfitz (3)

Keychain , ChannelDelibird , Mathdino ,

Mathdino (3)

havingfitz , Elena Fisher , Radja ,

Elena Fisher (1)

Bins ,

Almost50 (2)

Dunkerdoodles , Titus ,

Almost50 (3)

Bulbazak , Dunkerdoodles , Titus ,

Not Voting (1)

chesskid3 ,

Day one deadline is Sunday February 4, 9 PM PST. (expired on 2018-02-04 21:00:00)

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch!

[/size]

Votecount 1.12

Titus (2)

T-Bone , Aeronaut ,

Titus (3)

T-Bone , Aeronaut , Bins ,

havingfitz (6)

Keychain , ChannelDelibird , Mathdino , Almost50 , UC Voyager , Elena Fisher , L-2

Mathdino (3)

havingfitz , Radja , Dunkerdoodles ,

Almost50 (2)

Bulbazak , Titus ,

Not Voting (2)

chesskid3 ,

Not Voting (1)

chesskid3 ,

Day one deadline is Sunday February 4, 9 PM PST. (expired on 2018-02-04 21:00:00)

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch!

[/size]

Voyager (former Arch) only changes when LLD inevitable.

@titus, creature wants you to look at the timing of this

[Archwing]

can someone make a town case on chesskid? that would be pretty beneficial.

[Archwing]

for what its worth, sheep thinks titus is town

[Archwing]

I also agree with this, minus Arch.

Essentially, I have Mina, Dunker, and Bins as hard town. I can see scum potentially trying to worm into a town bloc right now, so that's why I'm not sold on people trying to establish blocs with themselves in it, especially when there are still reservations surrounding them. It's something we definitely need to work out, but one I think will happen organically over the next day or so. Hence why I said we're not there yet.

I only put myself there because I obviously know who I am.

I realize the slot I replaced into wasn't exactly... present, and y'all aren't super satisfied with me, and so that's fine. I don't expect to be a part of any townbloc, but that is the one I'd propose. FWIW it aligns with creature's reads, too. He's more solid on the Bins townread though, he's got her on locktown.

Bulba, did you respond with a 3 player lynch pool? Sorry if I missed it. just say yes if you did, you don't need to repeat it.

[Archwing]

Do you have a reaction to xyz's 3413?

[Archwing]

Also I knew someone wanted me to look at "timing", but that was vague.

This post from creature is for you, Titus

[Archwing]

@Bulba -

can you town case CDB pre-mina for me? My team had CDB pretty scummy, and wanted them pushed today. Do you think Mina is holding onto that townread for you?

[Archwing]

VOTE: Titus

I feel confident that this is the right choice.

How do you feel about the soft crumbing of T-Bone on Titus? (start of this day phase)

[Archwing]

@titus,

creature was responding to how you called UCV's jump over to LLD "opportunistic" and that he didn't vote LLD until there was no other option.
creature wants you to know that he had LLD pinged as scum waaaaaaay before UCV had voted her.

[Archwing]

@Archwing: why do you have such a strong seeming townread on Bulba? We can't find an origin, especially after quoting the Math post that says he shouldn't live to LyLo.

I mean, if I've listed Bulb as hard conf town, then I've misrepped how I feel, and i'm sorry about that.

I'm not interested at all in lynching bulb today, and I do know that Math said he should not live to LyLo for... reasons? I dunno. But i super hard trust math's reads, I know he's a great player.

My team is pretty much all town reading bulb right now, so I guess I'm just not really interested in sorting that slot at this time?

[Archwing]

meh. tbf I think you're reading into it a bit much, but I'll still respond even though I can already tell you're going to be unsatisfied with my answer.

I stand by the team I put in the townblock. but as the game evolves, that changes. Do I want bulba to continue with us tomorrow? yep. Should bulba die before lylo? probably, if we follow what math said.
if you've made a decent-sized townblock, someone in there will surely have to go before lylo, or you've fucked up your townblock hard. like, if all that is remaining in the game is the townblock, you're already at a disadv.

basically i'm comfortable with bulbs slot right now. that can, and is allowed to, change.

@chess,
3 player lynch pool?

[Archwing]

Sheeping titus here now.
VOTE: xyzzy

Gonna talk to creature bout this, he wanted me to push Titus but I wasn't super comfortable with that.

[Archwing]

Thanks, Deas. You too.
Are you beautiful scum, or beautiful town?

[Archwing]

Why am I worth sheeping?

I was townreading you, but I was hesitant to act on it cause creature had you scumread and wanted me to push you. So I kinda left you alone for awhile. Now that you're conf town I'm allowing myself to align myself with your reads more.

[Archwing]

Deas, what do you need from me to sort my slot?

[Archwing]

Deas, sheep wants you to know he says hi. Also, he says you are 1304i433% town, as you are fitting your town meta to a t here, as in your hydra with him.

[Archwing]

And so, I'm pretty passive right now. You and mina have done your due diligence with re reading... I did not and will not. I'm building off present information. That leads me to believe in the xy lynch, which puts us in a good spot.

I've explaibed my explicit sheeping on Titus already.

[Archwing]

sheep is site banned for being underage but still allowed to communicate via discord

[Archwing]

That must have been it then. He referenced some Hydra of sorts.

[Archwing]

@mod

My vote is on xyzzy

[Archwing]

sorry guys. i've been pretty shitty this game. I'm trying to get into it but I can't seem to really invest myself in this. I'm really gonna get into this soon i promise.

I really do wanna flip xy though, regardless if I'm about to be the counter wagon.

[Archwing]

Whelp

[Archwing]

I have notes from some of my ISO dives, but I don't feel like typing them up tonight.

Is anyone familiar with Archwing's town and/or scum games?

Don't think anyone here has first-hand played with me, although maybe people have read some of my games. I can link you some games in a bit though.

[Archwing]

obviously you are talking about my slot so there is bias FMPOV, but i'll input on this shortly

[Archwing]

also why did Mina die?
why isn’t keychain dying
keychain why aren’t u dying

yeahhh. this.

[Archwing]

she's trying to say my slot was trying to defend scum!LLD, then bussed when the defense was inevitable.

[Archwing]

right, so

Archwing
Dunker
bins
bulba
radja, deas, keychain

I think at least one scum in the bottom three there, possibly two.

Keychain maybe town, not sure, kinda just neutral on it all.

I'd lynch like

Any of:

Elena

Bulba
Smocaine

Aero

UC Voyager

(to me)
Bins

I'm not sure what the fuck to think about Almost50. I wanna read again through their ISO but that kind of :effort: makes me want to fucking hang myself while blowing my brains out with a fucking revolver so.

^^ makes me think at least one scum in there.
PoE that with above, leads me preliminarily, scum!deas

pedit; I wondered about massclaim.
we still have one more mislynch before lylo tho right? i don't have much experience, but is massclaim better before lylo or during?

[Archwing]

iirc dunker is shit at scum.
and i know comp spec has already had its time.... but I really really don't think dunker takes scum in his group

[Archwing]

@bulba
Newbie town win
Newbie town loss
Micro, first time I ever rolled scum. (chess was a town pr in this game!)
Mini normal, VT here
Open, Masons & Monks, was scum here. Mathdino tunneled me d3 (after nailing scum d1, d2)

probably my best meta to go off of? everything else is shitty micros or something else thats not really indicative of general mafia play.

[Archwing]

I'll read up on that dunker scum stuff later today and see what you're talking about.

[Archwing]

Not saying you have to!

You asked if anyone had any experience with me. I'm just putting it out in the open, if you or anyone else cares to read it.

[Archwing]

yeah that's a bad reason cause
1. we already discussed how this is a bad reason
2. i love playing scum

earlier on when you guys were talking about meta he for some reason didn't talk about his and tried to avoid it i feel

pedit: well tbh i honestly wanted scum but we drew 5 town pms so

eddie locktown

def scum in (mathdino, a50)

boon had eddie as scum but now he has him as town.
also has tbone at scum

screen has math and key as town, elena eddie and a50 as scumlean

bins is town
elena might be scum but no
i have changed my mind and decided to scumread math again

VOTE: mathdino

super quick iso dive (didn't pull out everything I saw) showed a lot of defense of dunker on Bins. All of dunker's d1 reads (including teammates) are all flipped townies. Not much of a discussion point as a reference for me to pick up again when I have more time.

[Archwing]

so you think radja and Deas make up the remaining two scum? what makes you say that?
also, @dunker, thoughts about a mass claim?

[Archwing]

yeah,

i'm leaning more towards massclaim helping here. It makes sense in my mind
the way bulba is refuting it, and to me unconvincingly, makes me think maybe he's scum....?

We had a tracker and a fruit vendor. that's it. I feel like there is gotta be at least one more PR. i don't see 12:3 with 3 goons tbh.

whoever that PR is, obvious dies tonight. but we know then that they are our conftown for today and the lynchpool goes to 6. increases our odds of hitting scum today, which may keep us out of lylo tomorrow

[Archwing]

Dunker why

[Archwing]

Why?

[Archwing]

Great generic answer.

What do you propose we do to get through this day then?

[Archwing]

Arguing with you about a mass claim, currently.

[Archwing]

I stated when I came into this game that I wasn't going to re read. That should be pretty indicative of whether or not I do meta dives too. I literally got no clue who you are.. This is my only exposure to you.

And right now I think you're town.

Can you say you hold this stance as vt, pr, or scum?

[Archwing]

It was garbage.

[Archwing]

Literally no basis. No content. No support. Just shit thrown at a wall

[Archwing]

You think Deas gets wagoned over radja?

[Archwing]

PR has a higher chance of dying, not being able to put results

Yeah I agree with this. If a pr gets nkd, we dont know for sure What they were doing.

[Archwing]

Hey Deas I know you asked me a question, I'm gonna resp9nd later tonight. I'm phone posting at work

[Archwing]

And bins can confirm that there is a stupid fucking snowstorm fucking every thing up.

[Archwing]

Deas, I do seem more active right now, but I was always here. I'm always reading. I just could not engage myself earlier. I think there were a couple things that aligned together which "kicked" me into gear.. xy flipping town and mina getting nk'd were definitely part of it. also that there are still 2 scum alive right now bothers me.

we're one mislynch away from lylo and I feel like I'm really getting into this game. I feel like town is starting to cohere together and start to work with eachother. that was not happening the last couple of days.

[Archwing]

ugh, I was just thinking about bulba's slot and I just remembered how Mathdino said not to carry him to lylo. fuck.
tbh right now I can't conftown anyone, but I think i'd wanna lynch within
{radja, keychain, dunker, deas}. gun to my head, the scumteam is in there.

unfortunately creature has abandoned thread since he finished his game, and quick is pretty invested in his, so I'm flying solo from here on out.

pedit; dunker we don't have time for policy lynches anymore. if you're town, can you show the fuck up please?

[Archwing]

you are a policy lynch.

i know I can't speak from a high ground here, being kinda not around the last day or 2, but neither have you, and you've been here since the start. you saw all this unfold. I'd think you'd really really really have some more input than what you've given this day.

Like i said, if you're town, give us something, please.

[Archwing]

Dunkerdoodles, From Chillplay Bombahskiies
Archwing (replaces UC Voyager), From Spam Squad
Keychain, From Team Cuddly
Bulbazak, From Queue Agents
Bins, From Make Papa Proud
Radja, From Dandy Irate Hoes
TBD (replaces chesskid3 replaces Smocaine), From Who is John Galt?

least scummy to most scummy i guess

i assume chess slot is deasvail so i'd like to start there

i dont think we massclaim yet

i think we lynch in dv/bins

This is what you've contributed today. I don't really see what information you gave.
Can you explain why we should not mass claim?
Can you convince me to lynch dv or bins? Sell me on the bins lynch, cause that one I don't see.

[Archwing]

I dislike dunker more and more as this day goes on

[Archwing]

i'd really like keychain to weigh in today.

[Archwing]

Would everyone be able to rank DV, Radja and Bins in order of how much you want to lynch them?

Radja then dv then bins. Why am I and dunker not in this group?

[Archwing]

That's a point against mass claiming, btw.

no mass claim -> pr gets NK'd
they cannot explain anything they've done. we can only infer from start-of-day crumbs. meh.

mass claim -> pr tells explicitly what they've done.
we now know what they know. town has more info.

???

[Archwing]

if we mass claim, we have this day phase for discussion about the pr's actions.
if we don't, and the pr gets NK'd, we end up in the same result, but with less information.

[Archwing]

I don't understand why this is such a big deal for you.

Same to you though

[Archwing]

Okay.

Bulba, can you Poe a scum pool of 3 players right now?

[Archwing]

Oshit right I forgot key basically asked this.

Can everyone answer that question please

[Archwing]

Would everyone be able to rank DV, Radja and Bins in order of how much you want to lynch them?

Currently: Radja>DV>Bins

That would also change this to DV>Radja>Bins.

Doesn't really follow from

7 left. Townreads on Key and Bins. So {Dunker, Arch, one of Radja/DV}. Gun to my head, DV over Radja. ISO was good except a few bumps. Those could be scum with bad argumentation, but could also be frustrated town. I guess it depends on how I feel after some more questioning and interactions.

Radja's d1 play was good. I mean, really good. Falls apart a bit d2, but not in the way I remembered. Still somewhat solid except near the end. D3 wasn't horrible.

[Archwing]

hey Rad, good to see you.

well i'm town cause i have a green role pm.
rad, i haven't seen a lot from you that is explicitly scummy, but i've got townleans on most everyone else, so it kinda comes from a poe sense. i'm open to talk about it tho

[Archwing]

do you really think i could be this good at scum?

you could have boon, una, chill all coaching you in discord for all i know.

ACTUALLY

can you tell me what boon has said about this game please.

[Archwing]

deas,

can you link me your last two town games?

[Archwing]

Dunker,

He hasnt said ANYTHING?

[Archwing]

Bins, radja... Would you down for a DV lynch today?

I got some things to say when I get to a computer. But creature is hard scumreading DV, and I kinda agree. I also was not a fan of CK's slot.

[Archwing]

VOTE: DV

I have no objection to it.

[Archwing]

You're saying town!DV = scum!radja 100% of the time?

[Archwing]

Ughhh. I'd rather do DV first.

Hey know what could help? Massclaim

[Archwing]

Definitely agree with that. DV preferably.

[Archwing]

UNVOTE:

[Archwing]

I'm a VT.

[Archwing]

Hold up, let Keychain claim before we do anything else.

[Archwing]

yeah where I go from here is REALLY contingent on keychains claim.

[Archwing]

fwiw, creature believes deas is town from the claim. he's fine sorting out deas later. i told him I'd like to look at radja, and he agreed. i proposed a townblock to him which he seems more or less on board with... it just seems like we waffle on keychain.

please claim.

[Archwing]

Yep.

So,
Tracker
Backup tracker
Fruit vendor
9vt
3goons

[Archwing]

Bins why arent you voting radja?

[Archwing]

Sry

[Archwing]

VOTE: radja

l - 1

[Archwing]

my head is spinning this game.

like i really wanna see town!bins this game, but like... what if radja is right? i dunno.

@deas
why did you track me? do really thought that out of the remaining alive players that if I was scum, I would have made the kill?

[Archwing]

UNVOTE:

this is for creature. picking his brain atm

[Archwing]

Why do you think you wouldn't have made the kill?

I've been a controversial slot this whole game. There's a lot of contest surrounding it, so I feel like making the kill, in case of a tracker or something, would be silly. I do get your point about "saving bulba" though.

VOTE: radja

Creature didn't have enough to say to change my mind. Quick thinks he knows a Bins scumtell and I dont think I've seen it? So I'm with radja and one of {bulba keychain}

[Archwing]

Bad vote Deas

[Archwing]

Gun to my head, bulba and radja.

I'm worried that there's a mafia roleblocker or something. I mean, fruit vendor, tracker, backup tracker... I could maybe see it. In that csse they block Deas, nk someone else and obviously hard push deas as a fake claim for the mislynch win.

[Archwing]

Bulba is pretty scum to me right now.

[Archwing]

Deas we are in lylo please Unvote.

Who did you track

[Archwing]

VOTE: Deas

Ffs Deas is scum.
Guys I'm a vt, I didn't go anywhere last night.

[Archwing]

You seriously think me, the potential counter wagon to radja, everyone's secondary lynch target yesterday, would make the night kill?

[Archwing]

Deas I'm probably the worst target to fake track. That was a really bad scum slip. If I'm a scum partner with anyone else here, they're making the kill over me 100% of the time.

[Archwing]

Yeah how is fruit vendor and tracker balanced.
Wtf

[Archwing]

Bins.

Any world where Deas isn't scum to you?

[Archwing]

Ughhhhh

[Archwing]

Deas/bulba for the win?

[Archwing]

This is a closed setup. The setup has been reviewed for normalcy (but NOT through the standard NRG process). Normal game rules can be found here.
Please note that this game has been balanced around the expected level of play for this event. This may or may not be different than the balance in a standard normal game of this size.

this is not a standard normal game though. this has taken into consideration it's team mafia.

assuming daychat, help from other eyes, etc... i definitely buy:
doc + tracker + fruit + 9vts vs 3 mafia. probably goons, maybe 1 weak pr.

[Archwing]

why isn’t keychain dying
keychain why aren’t u dying

because scum have no hearts and refuse to have mercy on me ;-;
or because my reads are shit.

Reads from the three NKed players

A50

:

Spoiler: Relevant quotes

A50, am I on a shitty train of thought with Bins/LLD/Radja idea?

Nope. So far it still makes perfect sense for the trio to be scum together, and I didn't want to affect your reads before, but I'm glad you came around on Elena.

Other than your 3, I'm not sure about CDB, Aeronaut, T-bone & CK (but T-bone & CK are like last resorts. Like, if we mislynch and then get a clear on another one of the main suspects.. maybe then).

Oh, and Dunker. I'm not 100% on him either. I know he can do better than this, but I don't explicitly SR him either.

My strongest SR remains Bins though, and she's not even trying. Like, I would expect Town!Bins to be overly noisy, and especially while we are waiting for Titus/Fitz to catch up, so we have all the time for her to Town!case herself or show some genuine Scumhunting, but she seems to have basically given up.

After careful consideration, Bins is unlikely to be Scum in this game. Still possible, but unlikely.

@Math: If Titus ain't scum HERE, then I'm calling Fitz/Chesskid/Elena for the scum team in this game.

As best I can tell, his scumreads who are still alive were Radja, DeasVail and Bins.

T-Bone

:

Spoiler:

Could try chesskid or Titus or....sigh Radja

vote:Radja

It looks like his viable lynches were chess and Radja.

Mina

:

Spoiler:

Dunkerdoodles, when did I become locktown?

I've been feeling good about Archwing being town after rereading the early game today. Aaaaaand I've been feeling like Bulbazak's paranoia around deadline is also very town!

And now I'm also feeling a lot better about Dunkerdoodles, so {xyzzy, DV, Bins} may actually be my pool. I'll need to do lots of rereading and ISOing past games tomorrow, though.

DV and Bins were her most recent pool.


From this, I think I'd like to lynch in {DV, Radja, Bins} today, with that being my order of preference, with the assumption that at least one of the NKs was made because of someone having good reads.

this is a good post. I really think this plays a part as to why keychain got NK'd (by deas).

also, key was pretty inactive EoD, so people were more-or-less happy with the game state by killing key, while keeping in mind they did not want key's reads to carry over into LyLo.

[Archwing]

furthermore, town!dunker is kept in the game because i'm in his lynch pool, even though NKing him would not affect game state as much.

[Archwing]

okay but bulba, if you're town, just look FMPOV for a minute

key points out 2/3 of night kills have scum!DV (or DV's slot)
key puts DV in a lynch pool.

and theennn, in your last post you just quoted, key was fine leaving DV for last day phase, BUT DOESN'T LOCK HIM AS TOWN!
I really think with Bins' claim here, key would have death tunneled DV, and DV couldn't 1v1 key as well as me.

[Archwing]

@bins

just wanna be 100% clear.

if we successfully lynch scum today, you can't heal yourself right?
which confirms you as tonights NK?

[Archwing]

actually, i dunno. maybe don't answer that? i dunno how much info you wanna give to scum right now

[Archwing]

@dunker
4028

first, i never actually called you scum in any of those posts. I was just calling out to town!Dunker, if he was there. Why? I wanted to see who would jump on with me. I was pseudo-building a case to see who else would bite and follow suit. I really don't wanna believe you're scum. Post-game you can see that I had proposed a townbloc to creature with you, me, and Bins. He was pretty solid on it, too.

and I think it's pretty obvious to believe the claim not-in-lylo, no CC's, etc. Had Bins claimed yesterday, I probably would've questioned DV a lot more. Now, today, DV is claiming a tracker-guilty on me, even though I'm a VT. FMPOV, my line of reasoning re:Backup Tracker claim is pretty reasonable I think.

and yeah, i've played with you a bit. I know you are lynchable, Dunker, but damn.... You are not the one in your group to take a scum role.

[Archwing]

DV is 100% confscum.
i'm 90% on Bulba, 10% on dunker. I'll go through those interactions at night, if we are lucky enough to get there.

[Archwing]

Bulba.

Pretend I am scum. Who is my partner?
Dunker, Bins, Bulba..

Why would Deas track me out of the remaining players,

AND WHY WOULD I MAKE THE KILL?

. Honestly, that is a really big scumslip. I really don't give two shits about tracking the same target twice, that's whatever. What I am getting at, is that if I was scum, why would

I

make the night kill? I was the most suspect target yesterday aside from Radja. It really doesn't make sense.

[Archwing]

my dialogue is for everyone to read dunker. my intention is for everybody to read what I am saying and to hear my thoughts.

ffs i wish i just got NKd so i didn't have to deal with this bullshit.

dunker, do you not see how scum!me never makes that kill? and thus, making Deas' claim absolute bullshit?

why would scum!me wait until now to fuck around with Deas' claim?

I believed his claim because there was nothing else to CC it, and only 2 town PR's is kinda weak af. again, had Bins claimed yesterday, I may have played that differently. but deas essentially conf!towned themselves by being the only town PR claim yesterday.

[Archwing]

if you don't want to believe i'm scum why are trying to convince yourself and others?
your mindset is not making sense to me

at that time, I was doing a smaller late-game reaction test, of sorts. I wanted to see if anyone would "take the bait" and follow me on a scum!dunker wagon. obviously that didn't go very far. I'm not trying to convince myself you're scum. I wanted to see if anyone else wanted to believe you were scum.

[Archwing]

i believe both claims

arch+bulba it is

how do you believe both claims tho?

[Archwing]

smh.

sorry for being a shitty town. to be fair I lurked out a bit closer to when I entered the game, and I apologize for that.

like obviously FMPOV i know 100% Deas is lying. I just really really don't know how to else to make you guys see this.

Like, out of LQ (game still active), Assembler/Mulch (scum), Sheep (scum), and creature (town)... how does UCV take scum here?

Dunker, I know you're town. Bins is obviously conftown. Bulba has been setting up my mislynch since late yesterday and all of this day now. He's just slow-rolling it until another townie votes, and he'll quick hammer.

[Archwing]

dunker, if you honestly think I'm scum right now, okay, but please refrain from voting for now so bulba doesn't quickhammer. Let bins get back and weigh in some more. please.

[Archwing]

Bins, I will join you on bulba today if you wanna go there. I'm positive he's the other scum. I promise.

[Archwing]

Inb4 I get called flailing scum.

[Archwing]

Well at least both the scum are voting me right now.

If You were town bulba you wouldn't have voted me, saying you're waiting from more from mastina. We're in lylo, and mislymching me is a loss. If mastina has more to say, town!you should not have just voted there.

[Archwing]

Bins and dunker, now is the time to conf yourselves.

[Archwing]

Creature:

Deas, or slot, never crumbled backup tracker. That should have happened. He also says that 15p is balanced with tracker doc and vendor. More town, less PR. Vendor acts as a named town / tracker result.

[Archwing]

He also says that backup, tracker, and doc with 1 scum left is kinda iffy scenario, and is essentially the same as ethers game

[Archwing]

Do not let Bulbazak live to LyLo.
There's a very specific reason for this that I can't talk about. I once again encourage people to think about why I claimed there was an exactly 50% chance Bulb was scum, about a week or so ago. Rethinking, it would've been more accurate to say 33%.

[Archwing]

so obviously 2 scum within bulba, me, and Deas. Bins, I know you're on the fence, and Dunker, I know you want me lynched.
VOTE: Bulbazak
Please consider this.

[Archwing]

if you can see scum!deas, you can see scum!bulba.
How do I make sense being scum with any of the remaining alive players? Dunker, Bins.. Look how quickly this LyLo wagon formed on me. This has been planned and set up.
I am not a partner with anyone, I think that should be easy to see. But Deas and Bulba, if you think about it, you can see it. especially how deas came out of the gate at me with a fake guilty and bulba has been slow-rolling setting up my mislynch.

[Archwing]

assuming both the pr claims are true we are guaranteed the win if we lynch just scum out of (me, bulba, arch)

an argument for arch!scum is mulch could just of been coaching him and ucv all game which i could easily see him doing.

Mulch and UCV haven't been in chat since before I even got asked to play.

[Archwing]

no, i can definitely see you making the kill over bulba
for one you might think deas might track someone more townread like bulba
or you could think he won't track the same person twice.

Why would I expect a townread to be tracked. You don't track people you think are town, especially after that mass claim. I was the next in line, after radja, yesterday. Maybe I would just make a shitty tracker, I dunno... But what deas is claiming jist doesn't make sense.

I'm 100% okay with a double tracking, I have no contest to that.

Deas can you show me where you crumbed backup tracker, if at all?

[Archwing]

Deas, you've played a great game. And you not fake guiltied me, I think I'd be town reading you right now. If you end up winning this, well played friend.

But please, guys, lynch this scum.
100% team is bulba and Deas.

[Archwing]

I think that part of thus day has shown how vulnerable I am in my position. Scum!me would be much more cautious about my play. Like if I was teying to mislynch town!bulba, I wouldn't be the first to vote. I'd wait for bins.

This is not scum me at all.

[Archwing]

Bine please

[Archwing]

Bins*

Its blatant.
Let me go back and case them. Don't vote yet.

[Archwing]

I'm shit in lylo. I'm sorry.

I will case the wholr thing as soon as I grt home from work. Should be up within an hour or two.

[Archwing]

sorry fell asleep. working on it now.

d1 VC's at EoD look a little bad for Bulba tbh.

[Archwing]

Spoiler: %50 caught up :(

Up to page 5. So far it seems to be mostly Mathdino (no shock), skirt skirt, LLD and some Elena with the occasional other poster here and there.

Not sure how much help all of Math's number crunching is going to provide. Especially given that it's spread out over 5 games and 75 players. I'd prefer to focus on the players in this game and what they have said and done.

A bit suspect of skirt at this point.

Math gives me the try hard to look town paranoia where I think he is trying to be helpful to town but I'm not sure how much and if it's not to just sucker town into blindly following him. Which probably won't happen in this lineup but...paranoia.

Elena a TBD at this point. And based off the quick skim I did yesterday...I never knew she was so many people rolled up in to one. ffs.

Math would avoid scum like the plague given the caliber of the tonereaders in this game. mmmkay.

This sounds like Elena is saying her team drew some amount of scum roles and this role was what she was left with. That said...I don't know her team's preferences enough to know if any of them would have wanted to be scum more than town. Translation...if Elena's team was not confident in choosing to be scum her "whatever was left and I got this" could be scum.

Bins makes a point here. It had pinged my attention when I read it but then I couldn't find it. I find it odd the skirt talk about wanting to be scum and how he would have deferred and given it to transcend. And Transcend wound up in this game 500 ish posts later. Made me wonder if Transcend wanted to try his hand at his team's scum role (or one of them if more than one).

@A50....is "literally not knowing them" the only reason you are voting CDB?

smh....

Page 7: Dunker feels town. A50 seems a little agitated/skittish? Not how I typically think his posting should be.

Post 199...not a fan of CDB voting LLD (town) because her team MIGHT have rolled a scum role and she MIGHT have taken it. ffs

Post 201...not a fan of Math trying to direct a potential investigation (at A50).

Dunker... is def town.

Math's read on CDB is pants.

Post 252...in this post Math talks about the only person who has caught him as scum before (Something_Smart) which would seem in conflict with his ealier comments about not wanting to be scum and how he has a lot of scum tells. Basically downplaying his scum play. Downplaying any aspect of his game does not seem in Math's character iirc.

I didn't realize A50 was English. Cheers.

havingfitz is amused at 3P T-Bone.

My favorite Nigel is...Nigel Olsson.

I feel like this read is going extrememly slowly. Like I'm trudging through quicksand.

Not a fan of self votes...followed up with a dash of AtE.

Really not a fan of basing individual's alignments on how they may have selected within their team. Maaaybe as a town tell but definitely not as a scum tell. I would also think the towntell would be stronger if another person in their "team" were to flip scum in a different game. And as I am still reeeeeeeeeeeading this one, considering what has happened in other games will have to wait.

ha! ditto...

I keep seeing one of skirt or lld has to be scum? WTFW? skirt may very well be scum but why can't they both be town?

Post 408...why are you requesting a wagon on Bins when she isn't even in the scum team you propose in the same post?

Math AND A50 both being scum would be hilarious. But I am leaning towards at least one of them being scum. Using their apparent familiarity with each other to meet whatever their role's objectives are.

ha again! ~ditto...ok...Dunker is town.

lol... made it count.

@A50

...

have you ever crumbed as scum before? Have you ever crumbed VT before?

Page 29. Transcend feels town.

Just realized I have never played with Keychain when she was town. Just two of her scum games =:O

Post 753 by Math....vehemently dislike the first line of this post.

OK...up to post 800. Taking much longer than I want and I haven't even got to the pages and pages of the lld v Elena exchanges I recall seeing.

Posting this midpoint post to avoid mega wall and give insight into where I am at at this point in the game (subject to change of course).

Dunkerdoodles - Town
Keychain - Town
Radja - Town
Bins - Town
Bulbazak - Town
UC Voyager - Town
T-Bone - lean town
Transcend/skirt skirt - sliight lean town
Aeronaut - idfk .... ISO
Almost50 - leaning Town with paranoia he's scum
Smocaine - nullscum ISO assesschess
ChannelDelibird- sus
Elena Fisher - sus
Mathdino - Scum

Spoiler: Part 2 of catch up

@Math...so your meta is that you're not a meta-player and that you use meta as a weak tool. mmmkay

Page 41. My predecessor is making a return to the game. Lot's of emotion there lol.... Dodged that bullet (of playing with/against her instead of in place of her).

Page 43 up in smoke. 44 not much better.

Ha....Math's lynch list seems very similar to mine iirc (I haven't checked this), with the exception of he and I switching places. I do not know what to make of this. Either I am wrong on him and the others are legit scum prospects or I am right on him and off base on most of the others. suck.a.lemon.face

I have to remind myself that Math doesn't use meta.

The answer is everyone.

I like Keychain's observation about Math clearing people/teams easily. I've thought the same thing.

@Math...can you state/restate your "serious" reasons for voting LLD (me)? My recollection is you wavereda lot on the slot and I don't recall what caused you to move.

@Bins...don't vote LLD or me please. I'm town and I'm almost caught up.

@Keychain...hello! Looking forward to playing again for however long it lasts.

@chesskid...fuck off and take more pictures of Park Guell + Sagrada Familia

@A50...page 6 didn't have me thinking RVS. OK. And ok.

@mod...

I'd support a deadline extension as well.

@Bins...I'm not an expert on LLD AtE but I know in this game she was doing it as town. And whether it is real or fake AtE (idk) it could be used by either alignment to get their point across.

WRT to this CDB post...boooooo.

CAUGHT UP!!! (until I get behind again)

Reads again:

Dunkerdoodles - Town
Keychain - Town
Radja - Town
Bins - Town
Bulbazak - Town
T-Bone - lean town
UC Voyager - lean town (knocked down for activity)
Transcend/skirt skirt - sliight lean town (still waiting for Titus to push my read on the slot further someway)
Aeronaut - idfk .... another replace out?
Almost50 - leaning Town with paranoia he's scum (no change)
Smocaine - nullscum ISO/assesschess (maybe less of a sr. Need to ISO both players in this slot. I know chess has posted a good bit but I can't recall anything AI?)
Elena Fisher - sus
ChannelDelibird- susser
Mathdino - Scum

Done for tonight...will look specific bits over more closely tomorrow and try to opine more better.

@Fitz: Thought about this last night, but bed and all that: Can you explain why you have a high townread of me? You said nothing about me at all in your catchup, and I would have expected at least some mention of something you agreed with, or even just my tiff with Skirt that led to my taking time completely away from the game. You mentioned the LLD explosion, but nothing about my V/LA that came before that. I found that odd.

@Bulba...I wouldn't call you a high town read. Just a standard ACME townread. On the same level as most of the other trs.

As for not mentioning you...that's usually a good thing in my catch ups. When I catch up in a game I do a quick skim through to note where the votes are and I may or may not linger in a few areas if something catches my eye (like LLD going off). Then I do a complete read through where I make note of anything I think deserves mentioning/exploring. More often than not I mention things I find peculiar or suspect. While I do sometimes comment on things I agree with, it's the exception.

So you are a townread for me atm due to a lack of things I don't like about your posts. Hence no mention in the catch up.

I didn't think anything of your v/la other than it sounded like you needed it.

Never mind...two of my stronger townreads sr Math and no reason for my vote to be quiet.

VOTE: Math

ugh sorry guys so I won't have as much time to case as I wanted tonight. I'll have to go more in depth tomorrow morning. uhm.

so strong counter-wagoning against math, and a lot of potential associating with bulba from Fitz. (more in the iso)
as I would expect, fitz has 1 scum buddy at "townread" and one at "null." pretty safe there.

i gotta jet out again, may or may not get back to this tonight, but i got more shit to post tomorrow morning.

[Archwing]

Archwing's reaction is really two-dimensional

what does this mean?

[Archwing]

k so there seemed to be some interesting "coaching" almost from bulba to Deas at the time of the tracker claim. like the way bulba was asking Deas about the exact name of it seemed kinda weird to me? he was pushing deas about it and sus of it, but never really did much about it?

[Archwing]

Fake guilty, bulba.

[Archwing]

Creature wanted to say that mulch couldn't have faked it all for UCV cause hr didn't do shit for sheep (who was actually scum)

[Archwing]

Bins please wait. Im omw home from work, and when i grt home I've got some stuff creature wants to say.

[Archwing]

Okay! so, here we go.

One:

DeasVail is definitely well known and strong enough player to fake a guilty on a town player. Well within their range of play.

Two:

There was already a backup on Ether's normal. Seems weird that for team mafia, they would have two backups in both the normal games.

Three:

I know, Bins, you don't wanna hear the "look, this is town!me" argument, but maybe hear it from creature right? He is able to hard defend himself to the point he's conftown. Please just wait a few more minutes, and listen to everything else.

Four:

Creature would like y'all to know he's salty af that he wasn't allowed to swap in this game, btw.
If you want proof of this, viewtopic.php?p=9936827#p9936827 Look at this post
He posted this during N1 in this game. He was waiting for this game's night phase to be over, because he was suspecting that UCV was gonna be the night kill. Unfortunately, Singersigner quick hammered, and creature didn't get to replace in.
no way does this come from scum!creature. if you know creature you know he cannot fake this shit. he is complete garbage as scum. we all know that
and if my slot really was scum, why the fuck would town!creature want to swap into scum!creature?

For reinforcement, look at this: viewtopic.php?p=9970105#p9970105 this should prove to you that this is not being faked.

six:

in creature's game, town!chesskid caught scum!mastina through his so called "program."
why did he not do that in this game?
why, instead, did he lay low as he did in other scum games (ie: Beneath the Mask)

Seven:

Bulba doesn't bus. ever.

[Archwing]

Bins, please ask EP about what chesskid did in that game. he posted quite a lot. in this game, all he did was make some posts with 0 pushing. he did not use the same mechanics as he did in Invention Mafia.

[Archwing]

and mulch is banned from team mafia, so this is confirmed creature reads right here.

[Archwing]

also, for a little added spice on top,

creature's got some good scum meta on bulba:

scum!Bulbazak chills for a lot of the game, and when we hit LyLo, he gets super pushy. I'm gonna help meta dive this rn. But don't you think if Bulba was town that maybe he would have pushed earlier than just now? seems opportunistic to say the least.
ps; bulba doesn't bus.

[Archwing]

scum!Bulba (which sorta mirrors how bulba's playing here, especially the lack of bussing.): See Bulbafenix viewtopic.php?f=56&t=69088
town!Bulba (which is NOT happening in this game) See Bulbazak viewtopic.php?f=56&t=72208

[Archwing]

Bins, please don't come in and lolhammer right away. take the time to read what i've just posted. this is extremely important.

Creature said scum would definitely keep both you and Dunker alive for the push on me, because they know you are both willing to lazy-hammer, cause you are lazy.

Bins, Creature wants to engage with you. I'm here for a little while tonight. let's talk.

[Archwing]

You talked about how much "effort" Bulba had put into his case against me.

but look at what creature just compiled. That amount of effort does not exist in scum!creature. if this slot was scum there is no way he'd be able to pull this shit.

[Archwing]

Um...Isn't your whole argument that I bussed Fitz?

um... no?

[Archwing]

when scum!bulba gets to lylo, scum!bulba doesn't bus, rather goes for the semi-perfect scum win

[Archwing]

you're better in 5p lylo than 3p lylo

[Archwing]

creature wasn't allowed to swap in because he was already in his second nightphase in his game by the time day two started in this one. mod denied the request to swap

[Archwing]

also chess knows you pretty well, bulba. it seems kinda odd that Chess never really wanted to work with you in this game. as well as being teammates with Mastina, you also are a pretty good candidate for his tell-system. town!chess doesn't not-interact with you the way he did in this game.

pedit:

re: Inventions Quote

creature was going to say his final words, and then swap in. "tomorrow" in that context refers to the start of d2 in this game.


re: "22nd creature wanted UCV to push lld and skirt"
creature was sheeping mulch on this, 'cause mulch had heard from some source that both LLD and Skirt wanted to play scum this year.

[Archwing]

UCV was pretty inactive (obviously, as you all know) so it was really hard for creature to get active in this game, and get his reads heard.

[Archwing]

re: swapping

creat was just trying to make sure that town wasn't going to do shit after he had swaped out of his game... and obviously he missed his window because of it.

[Archwing]

its makes so much sense from scum!your perspective to push me and leave the hammer to bins or dunker. they're both really likely to game throw in this situation with a lazy hammer.

[Archwing]

@Dunker

does boon have anything to say about creatures reads or comments? i'm especially curious about the replacing business, too.
same goes for your team representatives, ie: did srceenplay have anything to say about this?

[Archwing]

@Bins, Dunker

do you guys believe this is coming from creature right now?

[Archwing]

i need you guys to just take some time and read through all of this.
don't make any hasty decisions.
still >8 days on deadline at this point.

don't let this quicklynch through... we have time on our side.

[Archwing]

bulba is a really strong player, he's good at persuading players.

i'm complete garbage, and creature is only good as town. neither of us can formulate this kind of defense unless its the truth.

[Archwing]

ya okay but setup specc'ing mhsmith0 isn't that reliable, because he's pretty unpredictable.

[Archwing]

@dunker, bins

lets say roles were flipped, and you got fake-guiltied tracking to Keychain last night.
how would you react instantly?
how would you compose yourself this deep into the day phase?

[Archwing]

literally, scum!bulba/scum!Deas 's only strategy is to votepark me, the fake guilty, and hopefully one of you two comes along and lolhammers me.

[Archwing]

btw this is still 99% creature dialogue, being paraphrased.

[Archwing]

keep in mind, Bulba, you're just as conf!scum to me as Deas is.

[Archwing]

and it's pretty easy for you to say you'd like to control the lynch, but aren't you controlling the lynch by putting me to L-1? it's a common fallacy to think that the person closer to the lynch is more likely to be scum.

[Archwing]

then you would've hammered me for the scum win.

notice how both dunker and bins haven't hammered me? scum!dunker hammers town!me 10 times out of 10. hence, bins is town, dunker is town, and I am town.

[Archwing]

@dunker

you do realize that bulba is pushing that we're scum together. you see that, right?

[Archwing]

since both are confscum, i'm okay with lynching either of them today.

[Archwing]

Bins

creature really wants you to take the whole "setup spec" shit with a grain of salt.

not only are in in TM, but speccing in general is kinda shitty.

also, he wants you to talk to him

[Archwing]

heads up i'm only around for ~1/2 hour longer tonight.. i may be able to check in later if i get time.

[Archwing]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: deas

Creature wants me here first.

[Archwing]

k so heres the scoop.

creature believes there to be a mafia-bulletproof-traitor, and he believes its bulba.

we pretty much spent all night talking about it.

but again, it's setup spec. and besides, if that's true, we're better off lynching Deas anyways.

[Archwing]

These are creature reads. That should be more than obvious. This is how he delivers.

[Archwing]

@dunker, bins

lets say roles were flipped, and you got fake-guiltied tracking to Keychain last night.
how would you react instantly?
how would you compose yourself this deep into the day phase?

[Archwing]

Dunker,

Im perfectly fine with a bulba lynch.

[Archwing]

It'll be me, DV, and either you or bins tomorrow.

[Archwing]

VOTE: bulba

[Archwing]

:^) perfectly fine with a Bulba lynch cause you wanna bus your partner huh

Bins i voted him way earlier too.

I'm not bussing anyone.

I promise you, bulba and dunker are the scum team.

[Archwing]

Why would you want to risk lynching me, 50/50 scum with DV, than lynching conf scum bulba?