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Whats wolfy about me saying it's pretty aggressive seeing how you haven't explained why "this has got to die"?
Surely the natural respinse would be to question why he made that comment?
Tchill's mindset is
'am I making a wolfy comment right now'
instead of
'why is this guy thinking this'
- i.e. survivalism over curiosity.
In post 51, Tchill13 wrote:Man we've got some people jumping at the chance to push others EARLY.
This was Tchill's reponse to Kill's explanation for scumreading him. He's making out there's something wrong with people pushing other early, when that is the essence what makes the game advance out of RVS.
In post 59, Tchill13 wrote:Yeah. You're the type of player where if I flip town I'm bad town but you're not gonna let up till I flip. You're gonna use anything I say to reinforce your case from one perspective or another.
Go ahead though it's all amusement for me.
Terrible.
A bit of early pressure and he's already dismissing every argument, present and future, that may be used against him by Kill. The fact Tchill hasn't actually answered anything against him yet compounds this issue even more.
In post 59, Tchill13 wrote:Yeah. You're the type of player where if I flip town I'm bad town but you're not gonna let up till I flip. You're gonna use anything I say to reinforce your case from one perspective or another.
Go ahead though it's all amusement for me.
After I stop replying to KTS this is my stance on him throughout the game. I will ignore him after a point in order to play the game and focus on helping town. I'm not getting myself involved in a 1v1 that hurts town.
I hard TR KTS and that's that.
Hard townreading him based on what? It's almost like a defensive measure:
'I townread you so leave me alone'
.
Tchill has succummed to the first bit of pressure, and looks terribly scummy already. I also dislike Maria's vote on Katherine. I'm still only on page three but I like my vote here for now.
Tell me exactly why scum start such a thing day 1? There's no reason for it. The most efficient way for scum to play that helps them in the long run is minimal stances day 1.
This is obviously BS, although I feel like he genuinely believes this.
He's got a hard TR from me at the moment. That's really not anything to worry about seeing how it's not lylo atm.
I don't like how settled Tchill is on this read - Kill even admitted he plays like that as either alignment, but Tchill maintains his hard townread on these shaky grounds.
I'd say hard-townreading someone based on faulty reasoning is a cause for concern no matter how far into the game we are.
In post 108, Tchill13 wrote:I don't think there's enough reason to scum read mumble. I do appreciate activity but I feel like you're definitely trying to take control of the game and I also don't like how you pointed out you could be aggressive as scum also.
I don't get your mindset here - you hard townread Kill because scum wouldn't be aggressive early D1, but then dislike Kill admitting he's aggressive as either alignment?
In post 110, katherine wrote:What about it? Should he be drawing the same conclusion as you..?
It's very beg-the-question-y, as though it would be reasonable to nail someone as scum off of a single point. It looks like scum hedging on either a scumbuddy or on a townie and not really sure if they want to risk joining the possibly-developing wagon.
Early day one I'm down for any wagon that's not mine.
This is such a blatantly scummy thing to say I'm almost thinking it's Town.
In post 158, MariaR wrote:
This post is objectively false. It's not backwards reasoning because doing something and
saying
something are 2 dif things. Acting one way is something admitting to it is something else and I think that's the case and point here.
Point 2:
How is that scummy? It's just blunt and true. Sure it's not the most optimal town play but that doesn't mean it's scummy.
Like day 1 for me I fully expect to be suspected maybe even lynched so I might just "roll with the flow"
same type of reasoning.
The point is the progression is weird: he hard townreads him for aggressiveness but then dislikes him admitting he's aggressive as either alignment - I could understand if his reaction was
'Oh, in that case I'll rescind my hard townread on you'
, but to say he doesn't like it implies he sees it as possibly scum-motivated - which is weird as I would have expected his natural progression here to be
'why would scum admit they shouldn't be townread for something?'.
In post 48, MariaR wrote:idk how to take Havos change if he said it was before the game that would've made it now saying he did it while he was posting could mean self conscious scum but the tone so far feels like town who genuinely didn't want to fuck something up.
Whew sr and a tr so far Maria you are on fire
Pedit: I don't think you should give tips regardless and let us see the reaction
This feels like fake sorting - reading too much into something NAI while drawing a vague conclusion -
In post 179, MariaR wrote:It's not NAI because he said he changed it while posting. It would've been NAI if he said he changed it before the game
It's not particularly AI because he equally could have changed it as either alignment - as scum because he doesn't want to draw as much attention to himself; as town because he doesn't want the game being sidetracked by the same issue again.
Hence why you weren't able to draw a useful conclusion from it.
Yeah, that's not very clear - the first line looks as though you're sitting on the fence, and the second doesn't make it clear who you're referring to.
It's also a flimsy reason for anything other than a tentative town-lean at best, imo.
Tchill's reactions have actually been pretty transparently townie, so I'm flipping my read on that one.
Also getting decent townreads on Havo and Creature. Lighter townreads on Cedrick, Implosion and Ausuka. Brass and Gamma seem Ok too. I will probably explain these in a bit.
KTS is someone who will be hard for me to trust after the last game I played with him - he played very similar as scum, being overly-confident in his reads early on and generally looking to dominate proceedings. That whole playstyle rubs me the wrong way to be honest, but I have him as null for the time being.
I still don't like Maria, but Katherine seems a decent bet.
I liked Ausuka from the 1v1 with Maria - she's being level-headed with her arguments.
I'm skeptical of Kill's
'don't lynch Tchill
' plea - at this point, and indeed earlier, I don't get why Kill wasn't more suspicious of this slot. I believe others have said they see this more likely coming from scum and I tend to agree.
Tchill's posts towards the end of this page read townie to me.
Katherine's 355 - I wouldn't say I entered with a 'hard case' - I'm not sure any case made a few pages in can be deemed 'hard'. With regards to not paying mind to Kill's early 'nailing' of scum - I take such words with a heavy pinch of salt, and that was irrelevant to what I was talking about anyway. Katherine's vote on Ausuka is decent.
357 - Not too much in the way of game-changing info, but seems like genuine annoyance from Implosion.
358 - Ausuka, I think you're removing the context a bit here - Katherine isn't finding your reads list scummy in itself - she thinks the fact
she
is your
'candidate for promotion
' is weird given she hadn't exactly done much at that time. At least, that's how I interpreted it.
363 On face value these all seem like fair counter-points by Implosion, although I'd like to request that Implosion include the links of the posts he quotes in future as it makes it a lot easier and quicker to check the context of what he's talking about.
336 - Ausuka is misrepping me a bit here - the momentum on Tchill dying down had no bearing on my Katherine vote (I clearly stated my reasons for flipping my read on Tchill). Why does it matter that I didn't scumread Katherine before that post? She had barely any content up until that point - hence '
decent bet
' rather than anything concrete to pin her as scum. Ausuka's comment that
'I don't think scum would vote me here'
is odd as well - I don't see her as well townread as she seems to believe, and it's not as if scum would only target popular wagons anyway.
Maria's 370 - Why say you want to vote one of three listed people, but then don't do so? It feels like tying to test the waters without getting wet.
' this game - it was a few pages in, and by the time you made this post I had already flipped my read on Tchill, which you fail to acknowledge or take into account.
Brass' 401 - Is NAI posting really enough to warrant a L-1 vote already? Why not question him to get AI information?
Still townreading Cedrick, on tone mainly.
Ausuka's 446 - So I've gone from top tier to bottom based on my Katherine vote? Like, you disregard everything you found townie earlier for that? Bizarre.
My townread on Tchill is falling away a bit.
Starting to think Mumble is just Town who doesn't give a f*ck.
I was feeling a vote on Brass at this point, but his vote on Cedrick and follow up posts feel town.
uses progression as a means of scumreading me lol. progression equals bad articulation. has no effective meaning on anyones alignments.
similarly, votes on the wagon i hard pushed after shading with some back street shady fucking reasoning because he's trying to live.
the dude also uses ate to try to get us off. anything and everything he can pull, hes gonna try it lol.
This is pretty bad.
1. I disagree - scum have to fake their reads, therefore their progression has to be forced in a way Town's isn't, but even if you were correct about this, being wrong on theory =/= scummy.
2. Just because he scumreads you doesn't mean he can't also scumread someone you vote. Like, if one of your scumreads has a bigger wagon than the other I think it's pretty natural to vote the one with the bigger wagon.
3. You have also used AtE yourself this game. It's quite understandable given the lack of reasoning behind people's votes against him.
Yeah I get that it can't always be applied to those who don't properly explain their reads/thoughts in the first place, but it doesn't mean it should be disregarded completely.
For example, Ausaku's progression on me is strange - I was in her top tier and now in her bottom purely for my Katherine vote.
In post 592, Luca Blight wrote:This Implosion wagon is terrible, and Havo is the one who looks worst on it imo.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Havo
Can you show me where Implosion has been such obvious town that he’s above having some pressure applied to him?
No-one is above pressure, but the wagon was on the verge of L-1 literally based on nothing - I don't think anyone gave any decent reasoning. What sort of pressure is running someone up to L-1 in such a manner? What are they supposed to respond to exactly?
You had Implosion as slightly Town early on but then conveniently switched when the tide turned with the reasoning
"The more Implosion posts the less I like what he says or maybe what he doesn’t say"
which is just BS, unless you care to elaborate a bit on it?
I was waiting for you to return to the thread and post more. I expected you would move away from tunneling and more into an even minded position. Which you have for the most part. But your argument against me seems very fabricated and almost forced. I hope you’re town, because I like town Luca. But right now I’m not feeling it.
You accused me of an over reaction, but honestly you seem to be the one over reacting to the smallest of pressure.
I was catching up and you weren't voting me, so it's hardly 'pressure'. I had already stopped 'tunnelling' at that point, which is why I brought it up - I wasn't sure why you were continuing that narrative when I'd not only stopped 'tunnelling' Tchill, but had actually begun to townread him.
In post 611, Havo wrote:
I had Implosion as slightly town early yes, but he had begun to get votes and hadn’t come back and said anything to make me town read him. So I was fine to watch his reactions as the votes piled up. And he still hasn’t responded in anyway to make me think he’s town.
This doesn't match up with your reasoning:
"The more Implosion posts the less I like what he says or maybe what he doesn’t say"
The only reason I could see scum not voting someone is if that was a particularly dominant player; a town leader type, which Ausuka has been nothing of the sort.
Perhaps she was more townread than not, but I remember at least one scumread of her from Maria, and it's not as if everyone had her locked Town like Creature, for example.
, and 84 is one of his worst this game, in my opinion.
I don't get how you
'like
' those posts but don't like anything else he's posted? That somehow doesn't feel genuine to me.
78 is a town entrance IMO. I see it as a genuine thought or reaction.
I would expect scum to be just a bit more calculated there.
84 he’s spitting out evaluations of posts I agree with or at least can see the viewpoints
They don’t feel forced to me.
Ok, but the part I'm having trouble believing is that after giving implosion a generous slight townread based on those two posts, you now claim not to have liked anything he's posted since.
The first few posts by any player in any game usually causes a gut reaction for me. One way or the other.
Implosions first few posts caused me to gut town him slightly.
Since he started getting votes, I haven’t seen what I would like to see out of him to cause me to townread him. It’s just that simple. But like I said before. I don’t halfway trust my own Day 1 reads. I could easily be wrong here.
I’m willing to pump the brakes.
Let me ask you this, and please answer. Are you town?
Yes, I am Town. But even if I wasn't then obviously I wouldn't admit to it, so what was the point of asking?
In post 591, Luca Blight wrote:
Ausuka's 446 - So I've gone from top tier to bottom based on my Katherine vote? Like, you disregard everything you found townie earlier for that? Bizarre.
You were never top-level. Assuming you're referring to 168 I meant townclub as in above null. My reads were always gonna be weak that early.
Even so, the fact you townread me and then demoted me to the bottom of the list for the reason you gave doesn't sit well with me.
In post 589, Luca Blight wrote:
358 - Ausuka, I think you're removing the context a bit here - Katherine isn't finding your reads list scummy in itself - she thinks the fact
she
is your
'candidate for promotion
' is weird given she hadn't exactly done much at that time. At least, that's how I interpreted it.
Even in that case, the fact that I used it as my townlead term in all those towngames should be enough to prove it doesn't make me scum
It proves nothing either way, and as I said - Katherine didn't have a problem with the table itself, but her own place in it.
In post 589, Luca Blight wrote:
336 - Ausuka is misrepping me a bit here - the momentum on Tchill dying down had no bearing on my Katherine vote (I clearly stated my reasons for flipping my read on Tchill). Why does it matter that I didn't scumread Katherine before that post? She had barely any content up until that point - hence '
decent bet
' rather than anything concrete to pin her as scum. Ausuka's comment that
'I don't think scum would vote me here'
is odd as well - I don't see her as well townread as she seems to believe, and it's not as if scum would only target popular wagons anyway.
So there's nothing to scumread him for? And that makes the wagon a "decent bet" because ???
I mean, I guess katherine could be scum, but I think generally, scum try to push popular targets. Obviously people are piling onto me now but I didn't see it happening then. If scum voted me they'd probably want enough reasoning to turn me into a wagon, and his post didn't have that.
You're either twisting my words or being deliberately obtuse. Obviously if someone has empty-looking posts and low activity it means there is nothing to concretely pin them as scum, but it doesn't give any reason to think they might be town either - hence
In post 785, implosion wrote:Luca's defense of me feels possibly white-knighty. He mentions me a few times, saying a number of things that make sense as reasons to mildly townread me, and then has me as his second-strongest townread and uses the wagon on me as a focal point to vote havo and also attack kts. Still only has me as a town lean and not as town so it might just be that his reads are weak overall?
The whole idea of generally decrying a wagon always seems weird and he is attacking specific people on it but it still feels like a line of reasoning that's really easy/convenient to fake as scum. Catch up on thread, see wagon that is clearly bad, talk loudly about that wagon and use it to pressure people who made unjustified votes. It's sort of an easy thing to talk about. But it's really strange that he goes after kts and havo and thinks mumble is town who doesn't give a fuck. I'd like to hear why he thinks that about mumble.
1. Yes, I don't have great strength in my townreads so far
2. I'm not one to normally 'decry' a wagon, but in this case it was not only bad, but pretty useless given the lack of reasoning given for each vote.
3. I don't really think Mumble is Town - he's null to me; I could see his posts coming from scum, but equally he could be town who doesn't give a f*ck - there is no way to tell other than guesswork at this stage.
4. I've been suspicious of KTS throughout, and my reasoning for suspecting Havo has been made clear already.
I can tell timezones are going to be an issue this game...whenever I'm online no-one is here, and when I wake up I have at least 6-7 pages to catch-up on.
Maria is someone I could see myself scumreading just on her playstyle, so I'm trying to look at her posts as objectively as possible. I felt her reasoning for voting Katherine was bad, even by early game standards. She has given no reasoning for any of her votes since, which is something that just doesn't sit well with me - even if she is town, it's setting a standard where people can post naked votes which they can't later be held to account for - because they're unexplained. Any thought/read progression is impossible to monitor as she is a closed book in that regard.
Her
'I don't scumread Luca but I'd still vote him'
remark was strange because the only reason I can see to vote a non scumread is for pressure purposes, in which case why not just lay down the vote? She then transitions into scumreading and voting me based on nothing but a general
'feeling
' that my thoughts aren't real. Due to her previous comment, as well as the unexplained nature of it all, it feels more a convenient switch than a genuine one, to me.
Another thing I noticed is that she has a tendency to vote someone while talking about something else - she votes me while talking about Mumble, she votes Ausuka while talking about Implosion, she votes Implosion while talking about Mafia theory etc. It's like she's looking useful and game-advancing, while not allowing herself to be challenged on her vote due to the lack of comment on that particular player.
It was pretty weird - as Tchill admitted himself, he's being hypocritical criticising people for naked votes when he's been one of the worst for such.
Also the way he lumped Havo, Katherine and Mumble into the same pile and asked why Havo is scum and the other two aren't - I think all three can be independently scumread for different things, the possible exception being Katherine who simply hasn't posted much.
Tchill I'm generally town-leaning for activity and transparenct at the moment, though.
Thinking about it, there has been a fair bit of resistance to Havo's wagon in general - Aukusa, implosion and Tchill have all spoken out against it, from what I recall.
I didn't really feel such resistance from the other wagons.
- this is pretty bad given the lack of explanation, and given Ausuka was also scumreading and voting Tchill at the time - It's like she's already portioning blame for a potential mislynch.
209 - I don't get why she felt better about Maria after that exchange? I didn't personally think Maria came out of it looking that good, so I was surprised to see this unvote.
243 - she moves the goalposts against Tchill - he wasn't suspecting you based on your '
reasons'
- he was suspecting you based on your retaliatory vote.
358 - this pinged me as being a bit OTT to link four town games like that, and I believe Katherine was referring more to her own place in the table than the table itself.
"Maria definitely could be town here. IIRC we scumread each other last time we played together"
- yeah, and how does that relate to her being town this game? This feels like a possible attempt to make Maria think twice before scumreading her. She's also a bit sneaky in how she implies I jumped off Tchill only because the momentum of his wagon died down, ignoring the fact I was offline throughout that time and the fact I had my reasons for flipping my read on him. She makes out my vote on Katherine was bad because I hadn't scumread her before then? Err, she probably had about four posts at the time.
446 - Suddenly has me in the bottom tier based on the above. All traces of her opinion that my posts
'made sense'
and
'came from a townie mindset'
have been obliviated.
585 - This is a weird reaction - like, why not question why they exist instead of making a sarcastic remark?
697 - Weird defence of Havo - the reasons for why I voted him were clearly explained so I don't see what she doesn't 'get' there.
- this is pretty bad given the lack of explanation, and given Ausuka was also scumreading and voting Tchill at the time - It's like she's already portioning blame for a potential mislynch.
Okay so this is total bullshit. Not explaining one minor scumread in the post that I state it doesn't make me scum by any stretch of the imagination. Just because I was voting and scumreading Tchill very early on does not mean that I am certain he is scum and anyone who votes him is immune to suspicion. And nobody's planning to pin a mislynch on anybody on page 8.
In post 854, Luca Blight wrote:
209 - I don't get why she felt better about Maria after that exchange? I didn't personally think Maria came out of it looking that good, so I was surprised to see this unvote.
I understood her ideas better afterwards, so I could see them coming from town. The fact that she apparently has lingered onto her scumread on me this whole time, despite the fact I went through all her points and she didn't seem to hold onto any of them at the end, does make me suspicious, but like that exchange itself did clear things up.
In post 854, Luca Blight wrote:
243 - she moves the goalposts against Tchill - he wasn't suspecting you based on your '
reasons'
- he was suspecting you based on your retaliatory vote.
Yeah, and I was asking him why the "retaliatory vote" wasn't just a regular town response to a post, and was instead an OMGUS vote worthy of suspicion.
In post 854, Luca Blight wrote:
358 - this pinged me as being a bit OTT to link four town games like that, and I believe Katherine was referring more to her own place in the table than the table itself.
OK so now it's alignment indicative to link too many games for meta???????? Pretty sure you're just trying to manufacture a case for me at this point.
"Maria definitely could be town here. IIRC we scumread each other last time we played together"
- yeah, and how does that relate to her being town this game? This feels like a possible attempt to make Maria think twice before scumreading her. She's also a bit sneaky in how she implies I jumped off Tchill only because the momentum of his wagon died down, ignoring the fact I was offline throughout that time and the fact I had my reasons for flipping my read on him. She makes out my vote on Katherine was bad because I hadn't scumread her before then? Err, she probably had about four posts at the time.
If I scumread someone before, then yeah, of course I'm going to give them more leniency next game. Especially since I didn't like her case on me in that game, either.
And yeah, you could be town who just thinks Tchill's reactions were transparently town, and of course that isn't a good point on its own. The importance of it is that as the Tchill wagon is on its dying breath, you switch to katherine, a new rising wagon, with no reasoning at all other than "it's a decent bet" which definitely seems opportunistic to me. I mean, I don't know if you mean that you're voting katherine for being a lurker which would make more sense I guess, although it still seems weird that you hop on katherine for lurking when Mumble made, like, 1 post, and it was like one day into the game.
And no that's not the reason your vote was bad. But it does mean there wasn't prior reasoning you gave for the wagon that would justify voting him.
In post 854, Luca Blight wrote:
446 - Suddenly has me in the bottom tier based on the above. All traces of her opinion that my posts
'made sense'
and
'came from a townie mindset'
have been obliviated.
Well, yeah, that's the thing with early weak reads. They're weak, and I'll easily replace them if I find anything stronger.
In post 854, Luca Blight wrote:
585 - This is a weird reaction - like, why not question why they exist instead of making a sarcastic remark?
I mean, that post is kinda questioning why they exist. Also sarcastic remarks are my thing.
In post 854, Luca Blight wrote:
697 - Weird defence of Havo - the reasons for why I voted him were clearly explained so I don't see what she doesn't 'get' there.
Your vote on Havo wasn't on page 25 though. KTS and Cedrick both blank-voted Havo on page 25, presumably due to something he did. But I didn't see anything AI he did and I didn't get the votes, hence that post.
1. No, it's not BS. Saying '
I scumread Tchill and am voting him, but if he's town then Gamma is the scum on the wagon'
is BS. From your POV, if you're town, you shouldn't even be assuming there must be scum on the wagon - you found reason enough to scumread him, so why would scum have to be voting him?
2. What in particular did she say that made you think she was town?
3. Probably due to the defensive nature of it.
4. Right, first off I wasn't making a
'case
' I was simply ISO'ing you and giving my thoughts. Secondly, you're twisting my point - of course it isn't AI to link games of meta; I think I specified clearly enough why this particular example pinged me. It was like you were geared up to defend yourself on this issue - at the slightest mention of your table, which I still don't believe was Katherine's main point, you're like 'YOU CAN'T SCUMREAD ME FOR THAT LOOK AT THESE GAMES' - as I said, it just seemed OTT.
5. How can I help the fact that I unvoted when Tchill's wagon was '
on its dying breath'
given I was sleeping during that time? I laid-out my thought-process; I'm not sure what more I can do there. Since when is switching to a
'rising
' wagon early game scummy? It's what most people have done this game, and yet you pinpoint me for this? I think it's obvious why I voted Katherine at that point, and the reason I've been reluctant to vote Mumble is because I've seen how scummy he can play as town.
6. Your reasoning for flipping your read on me was really weak, though - I could just about understand it if I became null, but you seemed to forget my early
'townie
' posts ever happened.
7. Well it didn't elicit any answers, and you don't seem bothered by that.
8. Presumably they agreed with my reasoning? What were the '
In post 887, implosion wrote:Luca's a fine wagon. I sort of see what Maria is saying too with Luca's lines of reasoning just not feeling real, though my hangup there is that I'm pretty sure I've been wrong about similar reads to that kind. But I still think his defense of me is off. His response clears it up a little but meh.
I'm becoming skeptical about your stance on this.
You admit that my responses '
clear it up a little
' so what continues to be the problem here? I wasn't so much defending you as attacking Kill for a poor vote and weak reasoning.
In post 904, implosion wrote:
I mean, it basically clears up that your reads weren't that strong but the underlying sentiment is still there that it feels like an easy tact for scum to take to gain credit with me and launch a couple of easy attacks. It feels sort of 1-dimensional to look at a wagon that's bad and go off of that. There's also a degree of gut.
It's pretty natural to look at a bad wagon and suspect the motivations behind those on it - particularly someone like Havo whose initial comments upon joining your wagon don't align with his later explanations.
From what I recall my progression was something like this:
Catching up...see a couple of decent implosion posts. Now there's a wagon forming on implosion based on little, hopefully I will find out later why...more votes join the wagon, including Havo's which looks bad, and KTS' which has flawed reasoning...catch-up finished
. I then proceed to lay out my thoughts.
I'm puzzled why you seem to be more troubled by my defence of you than of the wagon itself, which you have also stated was bad.
In post 904, implosion wrote:
The thing about things not feeling real is entirely a tonal thing about the way that your logic works... like I said it's something that reminds me of some other reads I've had in the past but idr on who or how accurate this kind of sentiment is in general. A piece of it is that you're repeatedly using this sort of high-level-to-low-level reasoning line that just looks like scum trying to look for things that they can use to give reasons for their reads. You sort of do it with my wagon, and then you do it again with 851 and 854 which just looks like you're yelling out to the town "hey everyone, i'm going to go investigate these three people because they're suspicious! oh look, one of them looks like scum in their recent posting!"
So what you're basically saying here is I'm scummy for making an observation and then following-through with an ISO analysis?
Bear in mind the fact that whenever I'm online no-one else is, meaning I can't have real-time interactions like others have - so I choose to ISO people and share my thoughts rather than do nothing.
In post 904, implosion wrote:
It reads like you care a lot that other people see that you have reasoning about things, if that makes sense. It might not bc it's late and I've been really unusually tired today.
Yeah, and what? Giving reasoning is as essential part of Mafia and is what separates it from being a simple guessing game.
I mean if you really care about insisting on this point then I guess you're free to look at my meta - my meta changes a lot, but one constant is that I always tend to give reasoning for my actions regardless of alignment.
I haven't got a lot of time so I'll just reply to the two points above for now.
Katherine
: Strongly worded maybe, but no case three pages in is going to be
'hard
' - I obviously added emphasis for the purpose of advancing the game, which is what everyone does to some extent in and around RVS. Your second point is weird - why shouldn't I ask that question? It was entirely relevant to the point I was replying to.
Implosion
: Right, so because scum
could
have been white-knighting you there, you've decided that is the most likely case regardless of what I have to say on the matter. And as I said - yes, I care about giving reasoning - that doesn't make me scum.
It feels like everyone has lost interest in this game, and I'm heading the same way to be honest. I think scum are amongst those no wagoned; if either me or Mumble were scum then there would surely be more resitance at this point. I'm gonna be V/LA until Wednesday now, but I'll be back on sporadically. I'm Ok lynching any of KTS, implosion, Ausuka, Maria. I think Mumble is more likely town but I will switch to him if it's me vs him, not that I believe I've done anything to even warrant being a lynch option for D1 - it's a fucking joke to be honest.
I actually disagree with pretty much all his reads this game, and the way he basically threw me under the bus when I defended him was predatory. Like, I can get the skepticism there, but I laid out my entire thought-process and reasoning for doing so, yet he maintains his stance on this based on nothing. Nothing I say makes a difference to him - he's already made up his mind that it was scum-motivated to defend him there. He also keeps re-asserting the point that I care about explaining myself, as if that's any reason that I'm scum. If he even genuinely cared about this point he'd meta me and see I explain myself in every game, regardless of alignment - it's one of the few constants of my meta.
Literally this is the shittest game I've played on this site, and it's making me lose the will to play mafia.
I'm usually always a N1 kill, or at least a clear scum target due to generally being a decent town player who is hard to lynch. This is the first time I've been run up/suspected like this for years, and it's all based on literally fuck all.
I'm town commuter - yes, potentially one of the most useful roles in this game, but it's made useless by these shitty wagons and scumreads against me.
I've checked out of this shit already so do what the fuck you want.
It's useful if that player is one of the strong townread players, which usually I am. Typical the time I get this role everyone starts suspecting me for fuck all.
