Open 712: Elemental Large (Mafia win)

[Aneninen]

VOTE: Taly

[Aneninen]

Alrighty, which one of us wants to be the one to make an Avatar reference first?

?

Wot, no votes? We've got to start some dialogue so we can find scum. Votes start wagons, wagons start discussions, and discussions breed reactions. That's just how things work.

Too cautious, he wants to look town very hard. Therefore scummy.

(Pigeons are cool, for the record, and should be used as projectile weapons more often.)

And you'll see soon what else pigeons do. ^_^
Hint: it start's with P...

Good feelings about doomfeathers; it seems like he is being proactive town by getting things going, asking probing questions and

trying to get us out of RVS as quickly as possible.

Isn't it a bit too early to say that on Page1? Plenty of players had posted nothing.

Well with a response like that your not really giving me a reason to NOT follow the pretty anime girl.
Guess I'll get myself comfortable with this vote then.

Oh, I just realized I legit didn't even vote yet. My bad.
VOTE: Texcat
Elsa Jay at your service, by the way.

Yeah. It's hard to remember every single thing one has done... on Page1.

Yeah I definitely have to disagree with that. What he's done so far seems like he's trying way too hard to look like town, especially this;

Good bird. I've thought the same.

Who do I know?
[...]
Aneninen (Scummy by nature)
[...]

^_^

Doomfeathers's [post]29[post] is a "how to post something without posting anything" 101. He's trying to look very town. Again.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Doomfeathers

[Aneninen]

Anenien, I posted since your original RVS vote on me, and you don't have anything to say?

Your RVS (Which I liked) and the post with this, that's all I saw.
But nothing particularly townish or scummy stood out.

So, no.

[Aneninen]

I'm actually appreciating Doomfeathers getting the game started and everyone talking. If we kill him, couldn't we wait for later?

If Doomfeathers is scum, Shadpearl is scum too, I guess.

[Aneninen]

Catching up.

[Aneninen]

I'm actually appreciating Doomfeathers getting the game started and everyone talking. If we kill him, couldn't we wait for later?

If Doomfeathers is scum, Shadpearl is scum too, I guess.

Please explain this, Pigeonman.

-Brass

I liked neither Doomfeathers's, nor Shadpearl's townreading for something I found scummy.

Let's not forget that there is a SK in this game, so in reality, they both could be scum, but not on the same team.
So if your saying both are scum, I'm assuming your thinking along the lines of, possible team mates, one mafia, and one SK?

I haven't read the Setup thoroughly.
That's a typical Aneninen-tell. I wonder why it's not mentioned on the Wiki yet.

Mmm, my read on you is still unclear.

No surprise. At that time my ISO consisted of 4 posts. What sort of read did you want to gain out of those?

Lalendra's 67 sounded scummy. Gut-read.

Doomfeathers's 75 is a readlist... but it's too detailed compared to it's early-ness.

Creature sounds different to his town-game. I don't know why, but it reminds me of Mastina a bit. (The short-poster one, not the wall one.)

Yeah it's been a whole day and he's been active elsewhere

My self-reminder to wagon this.

The weird thing is, I have been taking the word of others that you were active, but you weren't, I checked a few minutes ago.

Any explanation, Lalendra?

-Brass

What have I missed?

Would lynch either of Creature/doomfeathers right now. The associative tells are unbearably obvious there.
...

Speculative.

[Aneninen]

Okay then.
One of {Creature, doom, A50} is scum. If A50 is town, the other two are probably scum. If A50 is scum, the other two are probably town.
VOTE: Almost50

Weird... I had a kind of similar feeling.

Taly's 148. If both Doomfeathers and Almost50 are town, Taly's scum.

Bah I forgot
UNVOTE:

Not town-ish.

I've decided I don't need a response.
VOTE: TGP
This looks like his scum game to me. I've seen it before.
-Brass

What if Paradox was right?
Answer: Kopherald might be scum with any of those.

Texcat's play is different to her townplay.

VOTE: TheGoldenParadox
This wagon has more momentum than Shadpearl and 139 is still really, really, really, bad.

VOTE: TheGoldenParadox

I know I like nothing in this game but I don't like this either.

[Aneninen]

Too little effort I've taken, I know.

But right now I think any of these players could be scum: Almost50, Shadpearl, Lalendra, Doomfeathers, Texcat, Kopherald, Creature.

[Aneninen]

I don't think so.
Why need I?

[Aneninen]

Her gameplay is different here.

I was scum there. She wasn't.

[Aneninen]

If I ever read the Rules and the Setup, everyone would think I were scum.

But, without shytty jokes:

What if I told you I was Masons with Kopherald (

figuratively, of course

), would you take my word for it?

Even I know there are no Masons here.

[Aneninen]

Since that post, I gave a reinforced read on you in 148

But why? Only because of the thing explained in 148?

I still don't understand why 1/3 of the playerlist's view of Creature is based on meta.

His scumplay is said to be very different to his townplay. I'm sheeping others. But this game is far from his townplay. So...

Ewww. Dichotomies.

Why?
What have you expected on early-mid-Day1? Detailed cases with VCAs, wagon movements, flips, Vaporeon, etc?
And this sentence was another pearl from the Aneninen's Quality Gameplay Package. I know.

Paradox is right about what?
1) If you mean the associations he stated in 139, we can't accurately dignify that without a flip.
2) If you mean him FoS-ing me because "I'm voting for Doom but Almost50's my top scumread" - then it's wrong, because neither of them are more scum-sounding to me than the other currently.

Paradox: Creature, Doomfeathers or Almost50 is scum. I guess it's possible that more of them.
1. Indeed.
2. Kopherald posted that he didn't need an answer. That.

Care to elaborate on that?

Just open any of Texcat's town games. Even the formatting shows what I mean.

I know Anenien said it was in his self-meta to say that he doesn't read the setup rules.
But I feel it's more of a town-tell for Anenien to not know that masons don't exist in this setup.

The first one was partly a kind of joke. Since my return it has happened to me more than once.
The second one: even I knew that there are no Masons. What are you talkong about?

[Aneninen]

Based on my re-review, I'm actually losing townreads.

Mayday. Mayday.

Elaborate?

Where is JaydragonKing?

I have been summoned.

JaydragonKing, I choose you!
JaydragonKing, content posting!

I need some inspiration to play this game.
There are way too many scummy players.

i'm lurking here b/c i'm not enjoying this game at all and i'm quickly losing motivation to play.

Pigeon poop. Both the quote and the answer.

Anenien - I was really hoping to get more of an explanation of what was supposedly different about Tex's game? But he/she? didn't really give much which WOULD be suspicious, I think, but their post seemed so helpful. I'm torn. Sorry I don't have more to add. >~<

I might have posted too little content. But as far as I remember there was more than that thing about Texcat. Why did you pointed out only that?

Yeah and this isn't even all the players he's scumread. Anen is almost certainly town for this. Scum probably doesn't come in townreading the current wagon and then firing shots at everyone else.

Yeah, and I'm a Lapras Hydro Pumping a nice little circle around me and whoever gets wet is scum. ^_^
But, apart from that idiotic joke, why do you think it's townish if someone scumreads half of the playerlist? I think it's one of the easiest things to fake it.

VOTE: Lalendra
I think Lalendra is try hard'ing to be town.
Almost50 is potentially going down a tunnel which only makes him a policy lynch at the moment which would be silly
I know KopHerald queried my read on ShadPearl but I'm still fairly happy to say it's noob play and not lynch.

The first one is sort of okay.
The second one is pigeon poop. What sort of tunnel are you talking about? Why would he be a policy lynch?
The third one, on the other hand is... pigeon poop too. I don't think that hydra consists of noobs.
Actually, you may be scum, too.

Also, you posted a FoS on Lalendra in your next post. After you'd voted for her. As a change, that was pigeon poop.

Texcat's play is different to her townplay.

How so? I played recently in a game where she was conftown and barely participated so I'm not seeing yet how this is AI for her.

Why is everyone so interested in my Texcat-read?
But sigh, it's not the amount of her posts. As far as I can remember, by that game phase she usually picks someone for a hard scumread and she keeps pushing that every now and then. (About twice in three days or something like that.) I don't think it's happening right now. But okay, I'll wait to see what she's doing.

The only thing that's really stood out to me are Texcat and Aneninen going at each other quietly so I prodded that.

You'll have to get Aneninen to explain why he's going after me. But going after each other is a misrep. I haven't gone after Aneninen, aside from my RVS vote which didn't even make it to the bottom of page 1.

I'm after half of the playerlist. Or more. Why is everyone so interested in my Texcat-read?

I DO just wanna say, however : It is so strange to me that everyone is afraid to lynch each other in this first round.

Why do you think everyone is afriad? Is there anyone in particular that you've noticed this?
If I'm understanding right, Creatures likes being town and hates being scum.
@Creature. Do you like being indy?
Headed to work but tonight will post thoughts on game thusfar.

This replacing in post is pigeon poop.
Luckily, the post you quoted is even more terrible. Somehow it sounded in my mind: "I'm afraid of getting lynched in the first round".

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Shadpearl

[Aneninen]

I don't think there's any good reason to wagon [Aneninen];

he hasn't looked particularly scummy

that I remember, and his votes were just leftover RVS. I can examine him if you wish.

Scum considers this kind of comment on them as a satisfactory result.

That is a good point. I will investigate Aneninen.

Eieieh? I don't get it.

Wot, no explanation? Why are you voting Lalendra?

Okay, Doomfeathers is scum and so is Lalendra.
A pity that I have too many scumreads. So, Lalendra, do the laundry, Doomfearthers, clean up the floor.

As for the Vote Count in 243. Almost50 is a good wagon. Paradox is a bad wagon. Doomfeathers, Lalendra, Shadpearl and Creature are good wagons, too. But maybe I'm wrong about Creature. Creature, are you the SK?

By the way, JimmyUrineSquirtleWhateverIDon'tEvenWantToMemorizeThis is scum, too.

[Aneninen]

In fact, if I could turn today into me vs doom gladiator thing I would.

Bad idea. I'd lynch both of you.

Also, has Creature ever had an SK game?

[Aneninen]

Believe it or not, it could have been a reaction test but after your and Almost's answer it won't work.

[Aneninen]

What's different from his townplay than here? Am I missing something?

Ask me the same thing later. Creature's posts may or may not change.

So you're thinking Kopherald knows something we don't?

Possible. But, that's mere speculation now.

I didn't realise A50 was so far in the voting counter.

I haven't played many large's, but why is L-4 a big deal?

Because when I commented on we aren't policy lynching, I thought there wasn't many votes on him, but then I saw he had that many votes, even if he was at L-4, he is still closer to a lynch, than no where near.
- Kop

Ummm. let's see where Kopherald's vote sits.

By the way,

but I'm consistently scumread as town

Can you give me a link for that?

I haven't read the Setup thoroughly.
That's a typical Aneninen-tell. I wonder why it's not mentioned on the Wiki yet.

Care to expound? What's the tell?

Eeiiaao.
The more you play with me, the more likely you'll find an example for that. I notoriously forget to check the Setup, the Mod's opening post, etc.

Lalendra misread something. It's been explained.

And what's your read on Lalendra?

How not?

That was about Lalendra unvoting Creature, which I found scummy. Townies usually care less about voting for shytty wagons, vote-parking, etc.

Aren't you supposed to point out how it's likely Paradox is right rather than saying there's a possibility? There's always a possibility anybody is right. And even if he was right wouldn't mean he wasn't scum. That logic just doesn't work. I don't think you're scum, but you're definitely trying my read.

Scum.
VOTE: Doomfeathers

That was about this:

Okay then.
One of {Creature, doom, A50} is scum. If A50 is town, the other two are probably scum. If A50 is scum, the other two are probably town.
VOTE: Almost50

Which was stale as a slice of bread left for two days under the sunlight.
You seem to care about this topic a lot.
Which means, GoldenParadox made a lucky guess here. And I may be wrong about Almost. (No idea about Creature, I have to see what he's doing next.)

That's likely.

My other favorite topic. Texcat's gameplay. I wrote her gameplay was different. That was the answer. If Doomfeathers flips scum, Texcat could be town. Good.

Care to maybe give us a reason why?

Baa, baa black sheep, two instant votes on someone I'm not scumreading right now.

Texcat's play is different to her townplay.

That's likely.

I am calling bullshit on this.

So am I.
Wait, it was my post.
However, see above!

That seems vague and not related to this game

Apparently that’s intentional but i can’t follow you onto doom based on that.
I could go back on my TGP lynch rn and if he flips scum then we can talk about doom as he will have a big case to answer I think

VOTE: TheGoldenParadox

Spoiler:

POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP!

Taly.
How about lynching Doomfeathers?

[Aneninen]

Okay, I'll check it, but I don't promise it's happening this evening.
I can see and hear kitty time. Meow, meoooow, meooooooow! (And he's able to do so at 5:30 in the morning, too.)

[Aneninen]

Texcat's play is different to her townplay.

How so? I played recently in a game where she was conftown and barely participated so I'm not seeing yet how this is AI for her.

Oh. Nuts.

Wait, WHAT?!

Am I totally wrong or was it a slip which I'd missed before and Doomfeathers has just dug it up?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Lalendra

Other things are coming later.

[Aneninen]

Lalendra knows Texcat's alignment here. I don't know whether it's informative about Texcat as well.

[Aneninen]

So, I must have misinterpreted that post from Lalendra. If it had been meaningful, others would have agreed with me, or, even more likely: others would have pointed it out first.
Use Occam's Razor on (I'm an idiot ; Everyone else's an idiot)

UNVOTE:

I'll read that post from Taly soon. And other things too.

[Aneninen]

Firsly, I've read Taly's posts about Almost and Paradox. Gun-to-head choice between those two wagons would be Almost. But I didn't like those posts. What if Taly was trying to manipulate us?

Kopherald first obviously.

Ausuka can be town (for now).

doomfeathers likely town.

Taly is just a "Don't lynch" rn.

Oh right, Lalendra is town too.

(1) Hmmm... I wouldn't say obviously, but there are quite a lot of scummier players.
(2) I guess so too.
(3) Why?
(4) Why?
(5) Why?

Because TheGoldenParadox has not engaged in the game like Almost50 has.

He's posted in other threads

, and his minimal posts have either came across to me as artificial or apathetic.

Wait-oh.

Almost50

is actively posting in another game

.

Isn't it time for me to jump on something else too and develop a scumread on the 397th player in this game?
However, what if both Taly and Almost are scum?

No, I think Taly's right. Lynching based solely on associations, especially of a town flip, is sloppy anytime; doing it Day 2 is even worse.

I'd FOS you if I hadn't once suggested something similar as town.

(at myself)

I'd FoS you if I hadn't posted similar things as that highlighted part. Oh wait, I was scum in that game. But I don't remember which one.

Lalendra knows Texcat's alignment here. I don't know whether it's informative about Texcat as well.

It’s day 1

Thanks for informing me. I thought it was a Feraligatr.

Why would everyone think you were scum if you read the rules and setup?

That's not alignment informative in my case.

[Aneninen]

Right now, my lynchpool would be: TGP, Shad, Jay, Fitz, and Anen.
- Kop

Paradox hasn't posted recently, but okay, I'm checking his parallel activity... and he was indeed active elsewhere. For obvious reasons I'm not detailing this. But I don't like it.
Shad is possible.
Jay has hardly done anything.
Is HavingFitz in the game? Wow.
Aneninen is an idiot.

By the way,

Mod

there are players in the prod-zone.

This is why my scumread on TheGoldenParadox is stronger than my read on Almost50.

In spite of Paradox's parallel activity tell, this was a kind of how to push riskless wagons on lurkers.

Yey texcat is town

Sell that to me. I have too many scumreads.

Doom, can you answer this please, if Texcat hasn't played with you, how can you agree with Anen and say that is likely?

PARROTTING THIS!!!

@profii: If you would be so kind to vote me I will hammer myself. Thank you.

This is Arkana.
Your posts made her sad.
Please, stop what you're doing so that she can be happy again.

Can someone explain to me why the A-50 lynch is even being considered?

I'm not explaining it because of *reasons* but his gameplay is far from his town-meta. Plus, the possibility of a Taly–Almost scumpartnership. However, I don't think he'd be the best lynch right now.

Good scum, in my experience, often fly under the radar and tend to be ignored.¹ That's why I'm suspicious of havingfitz.² I've seen him do it. They don't try to be townread; they try not to be who other players bother to read.

(1) Pigeon poop. I, for example never do so.
(2) Erm... while I was catching up I saw him being on V/LA...

Yes. Yes. Yes. This is the best idea I have heard all day, and that's after today's pre-lunch snack. @Mod, is there any way we can arrange this?

Fake as shyt. As if you didn't know it wasn't possible.

I'm back to this:
VOTE: Doomfeathers

Notes.
Taly+Almost50?
Almost50+Profii?
Doom+? (Lalendra?)
Paradox needs to post!!!

[Aneninen]

Walls.

[Aneninen]

Pedit @Aneninen: I know it doesn't work that way, for crying out loud. I just wondered whether the mod would throw some flavor into the voting or lynches or something.

Spoiler:

POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP!

I'd really, really, really like to

wash the dishes. The more the merrier

see explanations from those who are actually townreading Doomfeathers.

Last time I played havingfitz, he was on V/LA for large chunks of the game, and posted a decent amount anyway; he seems to be doing that this game as well. I've seen his play as scum. I'll wait until he's off V/LA to wagon him, but I'm still suspicious of him.

Nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
You're after an easy lynch, I guess.

The bolded is alarming to me. Why? Because it suggests doom had to analyze me before and he was poor at it. This is obviously negated by the fact the only game we played together before he was my scum p, so he sure as hell didn't have to analyze me at all.

I'm not saying that I'm townreading Almost50. But this is something we should consider.

Hey, Almost, why don't you vote for Doomfeathers?

Is that as scum or town, though? How is it a tell?

Am I that terrible at using English? Wasn't it obvious that I said: It. Is. Not. A. Tell. (It's just Aneninen's Quality Gameplay Package.)

Instead of announcing to people about your distrust for my posts and seemingly to generate WIFOM; why don't you ask questions and try to do less associatives based off little stated reasoning and no-certain information?

Actually I have asked questions.

I don't quite understand how you came to these conclusions.

You needn't understand it. My gameplay is shyt and I'm scumreading at least 10 players or so. However, you should have noticed that. Why do you care that much about my scumread on you? Especially because – tadaaaaa, yesterday's news – I want to get Doomfeathers lynched.

And "posting extremely little of value" too? I mean, I was the lone scumster starting the end of D1.. in a NEWBIE GAME.. and I WON THE GAME.. by being a lurker and posting "extremely little of value"???
Man, you're PATHETIC!

A question for those who're more advanced in meta-ing Almost50: is this style normal for town-Almost50? This is very important!!!!

@mod, replace me please.

I have no motivation to play this game so I'm not even going to try.

Pfffffffffffffffff

[Aneninen]

Look at my sig or literally any of my town games.

That doesn't make you town.

But ummmmm, okay. Tell me something in 3 sentences and a Flareon, why I should leave you alone Today.

Deciding to do something against my usual playstyle by being in the background and see how it works out, Creature. It worked out for you so many times, right?

Yeah, you die D2.

Why?

[Aneninen]

Mobilepost.
I have only took a look at this page. I think Jay is scum.

[Aneninen]

F-ck that.
Most terrible pagetop ever.
Previous page.

[Aneninen]

Because she's an electric flying type and I'm an Ice type.

Okay, that's good enough for me on Day1.

Still I personally wouldn't let a player go straight 5 days without posting even if they're on some sort of long V/LA.

I don't like this.
This is not the town-Creature I know.
Town Creature would develop scumreads on players who are

posting

.

TGP's replace out is pretty much NAI, right?

If the Paradox slot flips scum, Creature must flip scum too.

Given his apology was "overgaming" himself, and part of his other posting is /in-ing to other games...yeah it rings incredibly false to me.

Which queue? This might be important.

Yet, you still scumread half the playerlist?

Sort of. I don't like it either.

Also, what gave you the idea that I care so much about your scumread on me? I called out a fallacy that I saw in your scumreads. You say you've asked questions and I'd assume you're trying to scumhunt; but you're placing suspicion on a good portion of the playerlist while saying that people don't need to understand your reasoning.

I meant that part for your particular question. Not for all my reads.
If you mean by "fallacy" my too many scumreads, I must tell you, I had too many scumreads ages before you were added to my list.

Hey, Almost, why don't you vote for Doomfeathers?

I did, and it never took off. It was just you and me against the world (And neither of us is Scott Pilgrim I believe)

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Does it bother you if I
VOTE: TheGoldenParadox
Just to fill the void you left there and keep the pressure on the slot?

Keep pressure on an empty slot?

I'm parrotting this.
I don't think it makes much difference for anyone replacing a slot which is at L–2 to L–1.
(So, Creature might not be scum?)

A question for those who're more advanced in meta-ing Almost50: is this style normal for town-Almost50? This is very important!!!!

yes it is (this is from the one and only person who is utterly advanced in meta'ing me. I'm even better than Mathdino in that department)

This is not enough, for obvious reason. So, the question is still there.

He's being completely useless on purpose and I don't like that.

I haven't been too useful either.
Shall I die on Day2 too or shall I wash the dishes instead?

OK all I'm saying is look at this recent game I played with A50 where he was SK and his play here, and something is up. He was super cautious and analytical in that game, not anything like what he's doing here. I don't know for a fact if that makes him town or scum here, but I'm pretty convinced it's scum based on what I've seen.

viewtopic.php?f=51&t=74342

I've checked it.
My problem is: in this game I can't see the town-Almost I know. In that game I can't see the town-Almost I know. In these two games I can see two entirely different Almosts.

However, I'm repeating my question for you, Lalendra. Tell me something in 3 sentences and a Gyarados, why I should leave you alone Today.

@Mod could I be replaced out, please? I'm sorry to do it--I really, really don't want to--but it's become extremely apparent that I just don't have time for a large.

I hope it's a joke.

VOTE: havingfitz
Would policy lynch someone who gets away five days without being poked.

Might be something or nothing, but posting in a PT would that avoid a poke?

- Kop

Wow... brass I could see asking this question but not Kop.
For someone so concerned with my v/la and whether I should have been prodded during it (WTF!?) you'd think you could answer my question to you above.
VOTE: Kopherald

Explain this.

Kopherald, 502. I can see your concerns. What if we leave alone that slot for a while and keep on scumhunting in a normal way?

UNVOTE:
I'm willing to wait for replacement.

@Jimmy

, Have you caught up yet? Any reads for us while we're waiting?

That's so town-Texcat-ish, on the other hand. Popping in out of nowhere and asking something off-topic (compared to the recent events).

But you're scum until you do something productive, and stop dismissing me.

As if everyone but Jay were useful and productive. Half of the playerlist is not productive.

Mobilepost.
I have only took a look at this page. I think Jay is scum.

Then do something about it.

Actually I changed my mind during my catch-up. To your dismay, I'm not explaining, why.

Sorta bad to come in just to say my gut is starting to think Taly is scum.

Sometimes I'm thinking the same.

________

Here's my problem. I really want to trust someone becuase I think I'm useless and I haven't been reading everything thoroughly. But, whomever I'm thinking about, there's a "but".
All I have are speculations. If [this player] is scum, [that player] must be scum too, or if [this player] is scum, [that player] must be town. But by doing this I'm not getting anywhere.
When I have a strong townread, there will be a chain reaction in my reads.

[Aneninen]

Pfff. I've posted a wall again.
How I hate walls.

[Aneninen]

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He replaced out.

That hasn't been mod-confirmed yet. As I posted, I hoped it had been a joke.

[Aneninen]

Sorta bad to come in just to say my gut is starting to think Taly is scum.

Sometimes I'm thinking the same.

I associative read Taly scum, but I'm not seeing much isolated scum behaviour from Taly. I just feel his anti-wagons are...off.

See the end of my wall.
Also, whom do you associate Taly with?

[Aneninen]

UNVOTE:

[Aneninen]

I'm one of the 3 Elemental Doctors. That's right (Good luck to the Backup Doctor. You have the rest of the day, then a night and a day to form your own TRs and decide on whom to protect).

I don't think it would be a good idea to test it whether it's genuine or not.
However, the whole post looked town for me for reasons I'm not explaining.

Sorta stressed havingfitz will go 7 days without posting content.

Damn, Aneninen's gonna irritate me.

VOTE: Sando
New wagon choo choo

1. Why do you care that much about Havingfitz? I don't get it.
2. I think I'm irritating everyone in this game.
3. That's a terrible wagon.

(Once more I have a feeling that Creature is miming town-Creature.)

Maybe he confused the time Paradox was at seven with his own six?

Pigeon poop.

VOTE: Almost
Spit on me anyway.

VOTE: Jaydragonking
We're not lynching a Doc claim. Period.

That's my sthick, Almost. Swiper no swiping.

I was here long before you were. You're just a copycat.

Your power is getting shot night one time and time again. It's completely different. Ba boom.

Will you two stop this?
We're not getting anywhere in this way.

Shadpearl's 548 was empty as a bucket full of fluid nitrogene left in the middle of the desert for 172 days.

[Aneninen]

FYI, I'm blatantly sheeping Creature's signature.

[Aneninen]

There is a very obvious difference between the content you have produced compared to JDK.

How can you define the difference? I'm curious.

Jumped the gun there, Anen. Voting me for the joke vote on Almost seems like the weirdest reason to vote me.

I don't think a vote on a wagoned player who's claimed Doc is a joke. If it's still so, a terrible one.

He seems a bit

weird

idiot in general.

FIFY

1. I'm town
2. I agree with your assessment that this isn't town-A50, and his play is different than the SK-A50 I saw, so that is why I believe in scum-A50 here.
3. Did I mention that I'm town?

bonus gyarados as requested <:X~~~~~~~<

Thank you!
Now I know

exactly

what others feel when they are reading my posts. Umm... huh... errrr... have you seen Almost's claim? I guess you haven't.
Thanks for the Gyarados.

[Aneninen]

That's okay for now. I can see town motivation in that post.

[Aneninen]

sorry, made a typo.

No problem. I got it anyway.

Profii: right now I think the claim is genuine.

[Aneninen]

Sando, I'm just new and town. Sorry. Not more exciting. You are welcome to wagon me. If it gets the game moving, it's all good I suppose. I'd like to be town together though.

I'm not believing that this is genuine. You've said that you've played on another site where it was "hard and fast", yet here you're self describing your own play as very uncertain. I don't believe someone whose experience is "hard and fast" with very quick days/games would act the way that you are.

Good point.

Trying to figure out how much I care about A50's claim.

Nevertheless, we're not Lynching him.

I have every intent to vote, but I need to catch up on the thread.

Will that catch-up ever come?

[Aneninen]

This is moving towards deep tunnel territory and the best way to deal with it is to remove 1 of the 2 players - especially as its day 1 IMO - i don’t see this ceasing with both players alive tomorrow

Which two players are you talking about?

I feel uneasy with this post because what you said about TGP, you aren't allowing Dooms replacement to do the same. So it feels like that you are going to set Doom/replacement up for a lynch regardless of what the replacement decides to do, whilst your going to give the replacement of TGP the benefit of the doubt and allow that slot to continue.

Well, well.
That's why I asked above which players he was talking about.

Both slots should be filled. Then we can see and read them.

And it seems that your also setting A50 up for the lynch too.

Again, see above.

It also sounds to me like the replacement will somehow know TGP's alignment?

?

Profii, 585. You care a lot about Doom's slot and nothing about Paradox's slot. Day1 tunnels are rarely useful, that's true (even if I do that more than I should), but this post gave me bad feelings.

I was referring to the assumption that the replacement would read A50 the same way doom did, and vice versa. It just seemed odd to assume that the replacement would have all of the same opinions unless they were replacing into a scum slot and knew what everyone was.

It's not a good play for a replacement into a scum slot to go on with the same reads as the former player did.

I wish for the slots that replaced out to be modkilled. (This is what you get for playing @ MU)

Bad idea. Regardless of their alignment.

He's coming from another site where apparently that is the punishment for asking to replace out. Seems a little Machiavellian to me, and I agree it's anti-town.

And you know this because...?

Considering I want to lynch them both it follows I totally expect them both to flip scum. It also keeps the D1 going so we can actually analyze most everyone based on these two flips.

I'll be shocked if it turns out that both of the players have been wagoned and replaced out afterwards are scum. If so, on the other hand, it would be something ListMods should deal with.

That too. Asking to be replaced out is severely punishable. Talking about your flavour is severely punishable. Checking your nose is severely punishable. Being stupid isn't though.

So, you and Lalendra met on a different site before?

[Aneninen]

Right now, here's a quicklist.

Town
– Almost50
– Sando
– Lalendra
– Anuska
– Kopherald

I don't know / Unsorted / No content /Whatever
– Profii (however, I didn't like his recents)
– JimmyUrineNitratewhatever (however, scummy, he never catches up)
– Havingfitz
– Texcat (but she may be town, because of her recents)
– Creature (I'm not full-townreading him, which is disturbing)
(GoldenPardox slot)

Scum
– Shadpearl
– Jaydragonking
– Taly
(Doomfeathers slot)

At least, I'm not scumreading about 9 players now. (Or at least, that's what I remember right now.)

[Aneninen]

I'll catch up in a few hours.

[Aneninen]

And about the Doctor bit... I guess it doesn't concern me too much. No one has corrected you.

In this Setup this is pigeon poop.

Oh, PS I guess: Backup doctor, just act as a regular doctor and claim regular doctor, okay? Just trust me on that.

What was the town motivation for this?

I'm just wondering, with no replacements yet for two slots, how do we decide on who a lynch is in 3.5 days?

Aside from that, Shadpearl's posts constantly ping me. I think she's the only active slot I have a full scumread on at this point.

Mod

, can we get extra time?

Shadpearl's recents were terrible indeed.

... Oh fuck. Oh double fuck.

Damnit Almost you summoned Dino here somehow by speaking his name I just know it.

Someone seems to be afraid of Mathdino, I guess.
If Doomfeathers/Mathdino flips town, Jay is scum!

I would assume the reason Boonskiies took this slot after it was open for so long is because he's good at scum. He can correct me if I'm wrong postgame.

What does Boonskiies have to do with this game?

Guys, don’t lynch me. I’m likely one of the doctors.

Actually, I’m going to straight up claim. I’m one of the doctors.

I know it shouldn't be so but this bothers me a lot.

Texcat and Dino are scum. Where should we go first?

Where was that from?

Scum optimal strategy is to claim doctor and I STRONGLY disbelieve that Paradox would replace out of a TPR slot.

Good point.

is anyone here actually capable of gutreading lalendra

She may be town. Her reactions.

@Tracker - don’t claim, obvi, target me tonight. I guarantee you will see me target somewhere.

What was the town motivation for this?

However, not gonna lie, I would claim elemental doctor as vanilla, however that is not the case here. But just saying, I would.

This is scum.

1- TGP got to L-1 and didn't bother claiming or even hinting it

!!!!!!!!

[Aneninen]

Before they call me out as town self voting, I’ve self voted as town 12+ times, I’ve self voted as scum like twice.

Self-voting as town rarely pays off. Definitely not 12+ times.
Your reasoning here is scummy, on the other hand.

still wondering why you unvoted in the first place without any new ideas other than "policy lynch A50, one of the more skilled players in the game"

Hmmm...

Yay, more softclaims! Just what this game needed

There was a hard claim, too. I wasn't buying it, though.

Flavor leaf is Boonskiies, anen.
Tbh I'd probably lynch Shadpearl.

Is he?
That doesn't make him town.

We should remember this post from Ausuka if Flavour Leaf flips scum. By the way, Shadpearl's scum too. And Jay.

VOTE: Flavour Leaf

L–1

[Aneninen]

I highly doubt the A50 wagon was all town (towns are not usually this bad, to wagon A50 for the reasons given), and I doubt the Paradox wagon was ever all town regardless of Paradox's alignment.

So do I.

Someone needs to explain the Shadpearl case outside of "Shad lacks charisma". Cuz I'm definitely not okay with that lynch.

In 43 he was worried about your slot. (Only indicative if you're scum.) His vote for Almost in 142 was terrible and sheeping Paradox (especially indicative if Paradox/Leaf is scum.) The question in 183 is valid, but why did he added the sorry part?

In his 215 he told he hadn't played that slow-paced games, however I don't see one week or two weeks for a Day is that big difference. (Neither of them is a rapid game.) Otherwise, a quite empty post about (1) his experience elsewhere, (2) uninformative on Creature (I guess plenty of players had posted about his playstyle by that time), (3) pushing Almost further, (4) talking about Paradox's avatar (!!! that sounds scum-scum pigeon poop), (5) uninformative on Lalendra (misspellt her name, if both Paradox and Shadpearl are scum, Lalendra might be the third one???), (6) asking me about Texcat (wow, big deal! I never understood why I had been asked about that more than about everything else, so yet again, no content), (7) telling Taly that his posts are long (still no scumhunting or whatever here), (8) minimal interaction with Sando (more than with anyone else), (9) terrible ending with explaining "let's lynch someone and make the game moving".
TL;DR: that was a long post about NOTHING!

In 414 he unvoted Almost, but expressed that he'd go back there any time. Also, soft defending Paradox. (!!!) 548 is empty again, with 2 (!) townreads in total. That's terrible, even compared to Aneninen's Quality Gameplay Package. More push on Almost. (Which was ridiculous at that point, it's clear we'd never lynch him Today.) More about almost in 603, 604 is about "willing to hammer anyone" if I get it right. Anti-town at best.

Basically, he has done nothing, apart from pushing Almost further and soft-defending Paradox.

[Aneninen]

I don’t believe that both Math and Dino are scum, however.

Spoiler:

POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP!!!

I don't get the other reads either.

Oh, and Lalendra is town. Bet on it

Ummm... I know it's Day1 partner analysis, but most of you are used to the good old Aneninen kind of terrible Day1 gameplay. So, what if the scum team is Leaf/Shadpearl/Lalendra? (If either of the first two is town, Lalendra is town too, because I don't have a scumread on her outside of these speculations.)

I really don't think that TGP would have given up so easily as a TPR, the claim isn't easy to disprove, and I don't see town motivation in highlighting the backup doc. Also not comfortable with the "I'm likely doc" followed up by a hard claim, I can't imagine replacing in and not reading the PM before posting. Also think he is trying to lure the tracker into getting a result on him because he plans to manipulate it and somehow convince us that the result makes him town.

The same thing as I posted.

[Aneninen]

@Tracker - don’t claim, obvi, target me tonight. I guarantee you will see me target somewhere.

This confirms me as town, and if I don’t go anywhere, it confirms me as scum. Also, this adds the chance that I can die in the night thus getting rid of the problem all together.

Wait you claim one of the doctors, but if you're making an action tonight you're claiming full doctor. This sounds like replacing scum who knows he is going down so wants to get doctor to claim. We might as well wait a day and track him to see if he does make an action and if he's lying he'll probably be the one making the night kill.

This sounds like a scum plan to tie up the tracker for tonight

Parrotting this.

@profii you have a point, on second thought it sounds like a guarantee that flavor leaf is using an action tonight. So tracker don't track him, of course you'll see something

Whut?
I don't think the Tracker need instructed right now.
And I must be a terrible player, I guess. I wasn't even included in the readlist above. However, I'd like to see some details on those reads.

Guess we all might as well look for associations for him I guess. We got about two days.

I've already done some.

and yeah you're basically correct, optimal scum claiming strategy is to have one doc claim

also fuck me up i need help townhunting

I guess that claim has already happened.
As for townhunting, ISO me! ^_^ Okay, ISO Almost, Sando, Lalendra, Ausuka, Texcat and Milotic. (The second latest will take almost as little time as the latest one.)

[Aneninen]

Aneninen, you seem to have spent most of your ISO shitting on Lalendra and her alignment yet townbinning her. Am I missing something?

Yes. I changed my mind for reasons.
(Nevertheless, if Leaf and Shadpearl are scum, she must be the third one. If not, I don't think she's scum.)

Sando is town, A50 is locktown, Ausuka is weird but consistent with what I know of her I guess, texcat I haven't seen in years (but she was good as scum so I want that read to be meta-informed)

Okay for Today.

and who tf is Milotic?

This is Arkana.
This question made her sad.
Please, do not ask it once more so that she can be happy again.

[Aneninen]

If you think Flavour Leaf can't be town, you should hammer.

By the way, I don't think Taly's lurking.

[Aneninen]

Preemptive prod dodge

[Aneninen]

I'm sorry for not doing shyt. I'll try to change it today.

I've checked a thing or two from mobile and Taly appears to be scum.

[Aneninen]

Happy that

Jay's

gone, he didn't truly contribute to the game and it's funny to think that the SK took him out.

You're only happy to see Jay gone because of no contribution to the game? That's just strange, Taly. Strange indeed.

That
Or what if Taly killed Jay?

VOTE: Flavor Leaf
That's hammer. Why hold off the inevitable?

Scummy hammer.

I'm not the only one who doesn't do shyt. Good to know.

I should've seen that one coming when Jay freaked out at the arrival of Dino

Wait, didn't I say the same? Or was it about someone else? It happened so long ago.

no officially not Mafia (NO PUNS) LOOOL

Why?

Also, we're short of Doctors. If all the Doctors have flipped, Almost50 is an auto-lynch. Otherwise, voting for him is bad gameplay.

Before Jay got killed, he (she?) posted "people of interest" with Almost50, Flavor, Dino, and Jimmy listed.

What if the mafia team is Jay/Jimmy/Shadpearl?
Taly's the SK then.

Game solved.

Thanks, and goodbye!

[Aneninen]

Just kidding, I'm reading on.

Shad+Jimmy

Yeah, that's where I'm at rn.
VOTE: Shadpearl

Wait-oh, what if I'm not an idiot?
There are others telling the same thing.

2. Had a weird interaction with Aneninen; I think Anen picked up on her being a doc given his unexplained townread. And given how blatant it was, I'm guessing Jay noticed it (or scum-Anen openly deduced she was a PR and then killed her which would be hilarious/unlikely).

Ghhhhhhhhh, so much for being subtle.

UNVOTE:
fuck me up this is locktown

Eh?

Oh. I thought it was the pictures. I was kinda following Anen's lead with whether those were ok or not. x)

Whut?
I've hardly done anything in this game and done literally nothing Today!

Sando's 793 is a post we should remember later.

Almost's 801 is a kind of over-reaction on Sando. However, I don't think either of them is scum. (With one exception: if Mathdino flips scum, Almost could be scum too. But I'm ignoring the scum-Almost possibility now.)

Zzzzzzz. No comment.

That was gross.

I feel you v_v
Well. I had an argument I was gonna put here, but I realized it would be more helpful to scum than town so please disregard me. Aneninen gets tossed in the town bin for me as of now. Sorry for the trouble. >~<

Either I'm wrong and Shadpearl's town after all.

UNVOTE:

I've just had a revelation! Sando is TOWN.

Good.

Seems I need to prod dodge.

I'm looking through Ausuka's ISO... Not really liking what I'm seeing. Looking lots at just pure activity levels for TGP yesterday. Nothing really since that point, though. Plus, I think I see some distancing tried from Jay during Day 1 a few times. Day 2 is not moving so fast, so I'm voting my hot read here.
VOTE: Ausuka
-Brass

Eh?
That's not a good idea.

Texcat's first 2 votes. Possible scum team?

Frankly, are you quoting PAGE 1 posts now?

But you do have a point seeing as texcat wasn't the only player you'd scumread.

I don't even remember that time. It took place ages ago.

Do you have anything against an Annen wagon?

Why do you want a wagon on me?

VOTE: Jimmy

[Aneninen]

Why do you want a wagon on me?

If you were reading you would know the answer to that, but I'll make it simple for you: Why am I (a supposedly claimed Doctor) still alive> Why would Scum (Mafia) prefer to shoot Lalendra over me? Any idea?

I see your point.
However, wouldn't I have killed you if I were scum after Tit for Tat?

[Aneninen]

Now there's an odd vote!! You agree that Jimmy/Shad are a team, and there's a wagon on Jimmy and not on Shad, so you start one on Shad??

I've just managed to sort the mis-quote out to see: this question is serioulsy valid.
If Jimmy flips scum, we'll definitely need to take a closer look at Sando (whom I townread anyway).

[Aneninen]

Hate me but V/LA
I should have done it earlier.

[Aneninen]

Erm. Friday or so.

[Aneninen]

A quick thought.
I found it weird that Havingfits had asked about my V/LA.
He'd hardly done anything. Why was it that important? I'm not an important player here anyway.

[Aneninen]

LilUzi.
In the other game you found me obv-scum. Here you can't read me. Explain?

[Aneninen]

Taly, Profii, HavingFitz, JimmyUrquanwhatzit may be scum.

Where's Creature?
The LilUzi slot is confusing with all those replacements.