Mini 1995: The Absolute Worst Game Ever Run

[northsidegal]

[northsidegal]

<<< Reminder: things not explicitly forbidden may still not be condoned, as I reserve right to judgement on subjects such as "bad behavior". >>>

what exactly would the punishment be for doing something not against the rules but still "not condoned"?

<<< Warnings, then eventually force-replacement. >>>

[northsidegal]

actually, i think varsoon is right. i'll just try to play this like a normal game and let mastina provide the craziness.

[northsidegal]

pretty sure the hydra busting ability isn't actually real. weird reaction from eldrich, though, whoever it was.

[northsidegal]

Well... The worst thing that could happen is that you pop us open and have 11 scum - assuming the individuals dissolve into the alignment and or role that we the cosmic hydra possess.

It doesn't say it anywhere. This head has been keeping track. Before Golden, mutant, and yourself confirmed we had 7 players who had confirmed this far.

there's no comment about how that ability basically instant wins the game, if they're town. instead they just talk about the worst case scenario. not a "scumslip" or anything by any stretch of the imagination, just not what i'd expect.

[northsidegal]

I mean it would decide the game either way it went, but possessing that ability should confirm my alignment, I'm not sure where mutantdevle was going with post 165.

how do you think it would have confirmed

your

alignment but not eldrich's, as mutant was saying in 165?

[northsidegal]

i still disagree but i don't think it actually matters.

pedit took the words right out of my mouth.

[northsidegal]

plot twist - last 20 abomination posts were all the same person.

[northsidegal]

And you know this beacuse...?

this is why i don't joke around in-game often.

[northsidegal]

eh, kind of takes away the charm of the game i think.

also seems like questioning the mod when it comes to mastina's choice of when it's best to post votecounts.

[northsidegal]

[northsidegal]

Retraching that: Red, how do you know that dead players will be allowed to post after death? It doesn't say anything about that in the opening?

Exactly

a lot of things aren't banned in the rules - from what mastina said i still assume we're not supposed to do them.

red's unvote and vote there are really bad, by the way.

[northsidegal]

are you trying to say you're still unaware of your alignment / role?

[northsidegal]

to answer someone else's question, i think your existence has the potential to be a massive boon for town, but i don't feel like you're exactly going about it in the right way, at least so far. having that many players to discuss reads and potentially notice things would be a benefit to town, yes – but you having more than twice the amount of posts as the next highest poster and 10 times as many as most people isn't really helping.

[northsidegal]

oh yeah plus you guys have ellibereth so yeah.

[northsidegal]

This head feels like you're beating a dead horse - yes, we discussed the potential to help town by our mere existence; people should know this by now if they've read/kept up in this thread - without any attempt to solve our alignment.

you were the ones who brought it up...?

to answer the other question, i don't really have a read on varsoon yet. i've played one game with him before where he was scum, although i don't really see any meaningful comparisons to draw so far. i don't really think he's done anything alignment-indicative yet – from memory, at least.

[northsidegal]

Do you feel like he's trying to look busy?

haven't really gotten that feeling, no – and from what i remember of that other game that wasn't his style as scum anyways.

[northsidegal]

I’m not gonna say that was hilariously naive to say in a mastina game

But that was silly

[northsidegal]

You literally have the bird doing fuck all and red flavor saying something is genuine with someone saying they are town

Huh
I agree with this.

While the entire game is like, fucking around and doing jack shit, Red is actually trying to play the actual game like an actual game and this is the first person NSG decides to scum read?

you say that i "decided" to scumread him, as if it was my choice or something - it was

his

bad vote that called out to me.

also, someone being the first to or even early to actually start playing the game is nai.

[northsidegal]

Town can't make bad votes?

And sure, normally yes but Red was trying to actually do somrtjkng productive in the game when the rest of the world and their mommas was doing $#!@. It would be so easy to just let town continue doing what their doing.

The fact that he was trying when he clearly didn't have to rings more town than it does scum

I never said town couldn't make bad votes. In this case I think it was scummier, however.

I used to make the exact same argument as you. It's failed me and misled me enough to where I can be confident in saying that it doesn't mean anything.

[northsidegal]

i don't.

[northsidegal]

i don't.

So what's with the low key deflection of my (imo) a solid point with the "I once upon a time" thing?

Like I even agreed that its NAI but the circumstances of

THIS GAME

made me feel like it was an exception to the rule

there's nothing "low-key" about it. i'm telling you that i place pretty very little confidence in the idea that someone trying to play when other people are fluffing is alignment-indicative. i would rather look at the content itself rather than the act of the content production, and when i look at the content itself all i see are really bad reasons for red to be doing whatever he's doing. it's not monumentally scummy and i never really intended it to be a big of a deal as talking about it seems to have made it – it was just a thought i had.

[northsidegal]

I also liked this

why? i really don't care for people voting lurkers to "get content out of them" or something when it's clear that that won't actually affect when they check the thread. if someone's active lurking like assemble or something? sure. in this case, after pretty much their first post in the thread? i see it as more lamist than anything else.

Quite honestly it isnt the best content but its game content and outside of Varsoon saying "lets stop with this trolliness" he is actually one of the first people to actually move seriously. I see that as more town because its like they need to be the ones who needs to sort people and its pretty hard when no one is playing so making movements to try and make others play is a very pro-town move coming from a highly pro-town mindset

it's literally effortless to do this as scum and i don't think it's the kind of thing that even comes from town more often than scum. so, i don't really see it as a towntell, and i don't think other people should either.

[northsidegal]

when i look at the content itself all i see are really bad reasons for red to be doing whatever he's doing.

did you already say this(as in why?)

i just talked about why i don't like the vote – as for him believing that someone saying "we're town" is genuine and unvoting, i think my point is clear.

[northsidegal]

yeah, it's about red.

[northsidegal]

I mean, I don't know about million person but I know cool dog is around.


Also like, I'm still talking about this game and not in general.

Its still exception to the norm so yeah


Pedit: oh hey

if you know that cooldog is around but not posting, what do you make of that?

what's your read on him now? you liked red's vote – what do you make of the most recent interaction with eldrich?

[northsidegal]

it was more meant to be about momrangal than you, but okay.

[northsidegal]

do you really believe that an 11 headed hydra with some of the people in it that are in it wouldn't be playing like this as town?

[northsidegal]

the loyal vigs get much worse as the game goes on, i think. if they're going to shoot at all i think it should be early.

[northsidegal]

This came two minutes after InfiniteCanine quoted him. For your information.

???

[northsidegal]

creature doesn't sign in hydras. i think your impression needs work.

[northsidegal]

do you really believe that an 11 headed hydra with some of the people in it that are in it wouldn't be playing like this as town?

[northsidegal]

Assemble's a pretty good shot.

[northsidegal]

i think too many people support it for me to really believe that it flips scum, honestly.

[northsidegal]

lol, votecounts.

[northsidegal]

oh please change it back

[northsidegal]

589 to 602, i guess.

[northsidegal]

oh please change it back

Your wish is my command.

Ghost

wait, let ellibereth keep going.

[northsidegal]

er, 598 i mean.

[northsidegal]

she was referring to my post here:

Town can't make bad votes?

And sure, normally yes but Red was trying to actually do somrtjkng productive in the game when the rest of the world and their mommas was doing $#!@. It would be so easy to just let town continue doing what their doing.

The fact that he was trying when he clearly didn't have to rings more town than it does scum

I never said town couldn't make bad votes. In this case I think it was scummier, however.

I used to make the exact same argument as you. It's failed me and misled me enough to where I can be confident in saying that it doesn't mean anything.

[northsidegal]

you mean disagreement from that list you had?

i guess questionable ones would be anen, varsoon and vax, though i can see varsoon as town i guess. fine with the people left being where they are (except for me of course).

[northsidegal]

you mean disagreement from that list you had?

i guess questionable ones would be anen, varsoon and vax, though i can see varsoon as town i guess. fine with the people left being where they are (except for me of course).

lmao that's like all the nontrivial ppl

i don't really get what you're saying. i'm fine with schadd, momrangal, ginngie and mutant all being in the suspect pile. i'm not confident myself in calling anen, varsoon or vax town, although i can see the argument for a few of them.

as for the rest, i'm speaking as if you're conftown and as if mastina wouldn't put scum loyal vigs into a game (and that those two aren't fakeclaiming).

i have given thought to that it was a "role pm mixup" with one of them or something like that and something weird is going on there. probably not worth concerning anything over, though.

[northsidegal]

2. If you play in the open queue at all, you know goshdarn well exactly which of our heads would be posting more if we were scum.

i noticed this.

[northsidegal]

i think too many people support it for me to really believe that it flips scum, honestly.

this is stupid logic. Any wagon will eventually have this much support. Thus by your logic, no wagon would hit scum.

there's a level of nuance there that you missed, intentionally or not. Yes, any wagon that goes through to lynch will eventually have seven votes – the thing is, when a scum wagon goes through to completion you typically expect either some kind of counterwagon or resistance to the lynch, or you expect that scum are bussing and some level of distancing has gone on. in this case, neither has happened – nobody has resisted your lynch but really nobody except for infinite canine has had any interactions that look non-aligned with you.

unless the entire rest of the scumteam is all hard lurking, i don't expect you to flip scum.

[northsidegal]

did you govern the lynch onto someone else or just stop it?

i also don't really think anen should be shot.

[northsidegal]

i want your help, ginngie.

[northsidegal]

The loyal vig?

[northsidegal]

huh? is it really so unbelievable to people that eldrich got shot by scum?

[northsidegal]

like, why are people theorizing about three vigs right now?

[northsidegal]

i don't really believe the claim. that's the kind of thing that should definitely be explicitly claimed, especially given that you know you'll be either essentially guiltying yourself come tomorrow, or you'll be confirming the person you hid behind as scum.

did you crumb who you were going to hide behind, momrangal?

[northsidegal]

I'm a gunsmith or whatever checks if people have a gun/are capable of kills.
I checked Ginngie and was told Ginngie does not have a gun.
With you hiding behind me and surviving, that clears me, contingent on you not lying there, which clears Ginngie.
If Redflavor and GoldenParadox are town loyal vigs, then both can be considered town. I believe their claims because my results would reflect they have guns and would be incriminating had they not claimed loyal vig.

So that leaves:
Aneninen
schadd_
mutantdevle
northsidegal
Vaxkiller

If we lynch one of those today, then we co-ordinate use of my gunsmith and both loyal vigilantes, that means we can 'clear' all but one either by flips or night results. If Mom's willing to hide in that group, we could even clear them all. Regardless of kills, we'll still have at least enough town to counter scum, if my numbers are correct, right?

Curious. I am also a gunsmith. I checked shadd, and he does not have a gun.

[northsidegal]

i'm not really inclined to believe that you're fakeclaiming here given the thematic..ness of two of the same roles.

[northsidegal]

i basically never crumb anything.

[northsidegal]

The obvious question here is "is it truly as simple as anen/mutant/vax"? i'm not entirely sure – the fact that despite having four essentially investigatives we've apparently not one of us has actually hit a guilty makes me think there's certainly more going on here.

i still don't really believe momrangal's claim, though i haven't looked back at her "soft" from yesterday yet.

[northsidegal]

oh no, i was about to start outguessing the mod.

[northsidegal]

That moment when RedFlavor is actually a loyal vig but can't kill because that means he would have to kill a scum

why even claim that in the first place then?

[northsidegal]

oh no, following your heart

[northsidegal]

please not again

[northsidegal]

does it actually mess the game up for both of the vigs to shoot? even if we take the worst case scenario of four kills where both vigs hit town and mom either dies from hiding behind scum or dies from hiding behind the scum nightkill, that still leaves us at 4:3, right?

(by the way, it kind of makes me uncomfortable whenever i'm typing your name and my natural inclination is to shorten it to "mom".)

[northsidegal]

aren't there eleven of us?

and yeah, i didn't take into account lynching town.

[northsidegal]

Spoiler: VoteCount Settings

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[northsidegal]

Votecount 2.1

Vaxkiller(4)

~ Momrangal(12), Ginngie(40), Varsoon(15), mutantdevle(5)

schadd(2)

~ Vaxkiller(10), RedFlavor(5)

Momrangal(1)

~ TheGoldenParadox(3)

Aneninen(1)

~ schadd(2)


Not Voting (2): Aneninen(2), northsidegal(15)

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2018-04-07 00:53:24)

[northsidegal]

i disagree, but i'm not sure how much going into it would be outguessing the mod.

[northsidegal]

LOL

[northsidegal]

huh i didn't place a single vote this game it looks like

[northsidegal]

varsoon got a "no gun" result from momrangal?

[northsidegal]

LOL

You really shoulda asked about what constituted a clear vote, by the way.

The only votes which counted were

exact username

votes; similarly, unvotes needed to be

exact username

in order to count, and it needed to be vote/unvote tags rather than in bold.

Asking questions to the mod was allowed! And I would have answered! In fact, when Ginngie DID ask, I DID answer! Which is how scum figured out the vote mechanics. Because she asked when nobody else did.

hmm, reminds me of something else...

[northsidegal]

Like we all know he's gonna win the paragon scummy lmao

"going to"?

[northsidegal]

i feel fine with my reads this game anyways. i was right on momrangal, and had the rest of the scumteam in the suspect pool. granted, i didn't really do much to push those reads.

[northsidegal]

LOL

You really shoulda asked about what constituted a clear vote, by the way.

The only votes which counted were

exact username

votes; similarly, unvotes needed to be

exact username

in order to count, and it needed to be vote/unvote tags rather than in bold.

Asking questions to the mod was allowed! And I would have answered! In fact, when Ginngie DID ask, I DID answer! Which is how scum figured out the vote mechanics. Because she asked when nobody else did.

hmm, reminds me of something else...

waitwaitwait

is this a drealmerz reference