Sid Meier's Civilization 5 UPick Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Gamma Emerald]

Delegate: Kokichi Oma

I will lead us.

Of course you'd stay in character.

HEAL: Klazam


Because I will be a good and impartial host, ensuring the voices of all of the world will be heard. Do not fall under the sway of the above tyrant.

Why do I not feel confident about this at all

Die stolzen und illustren Menschen in Deutschland heißen Sie willkommen! Wir sind eine freundliche und friedliebende Nation, aber sei gewarnt, solltest du uns kreuzen, sei bereit, um Vergebung zu bitten, wenn wir dich unter der Macht unserer mächtigen Panzer vernichten!

Am I the only one who bothered to read this in English?

VOTE: Dunkerdoodles
I also agree that the willingness to prod that lame anime-poster as the world leader is annoying. Anime posting should be looked down upon.

Very tempted to hop on and heal Elbirn, 'cus that guy is my bro and friend and I know he won't screw us.
I think it's really important that we try to keep the scum from ending up as leaders, because we can obscure game info (resolutions) from them. Or do you think they already know what all the resolutions are, given the whole informed minority schtick? Hm.

Die stolzen und illustren Menschen in Deutschland heißen Sie willkommen! Wir sind eine freundliche und friedliebende Nation, aber sei gewarnt, solltest du uns kreuzen, sei bereit, um Vergebung zu bitten, wenn wir dich unter der Macht unserer mächtigen Panzer vernichten!

Like, I can run this through Google translate and it's all gravy, but could we avoid using languages other than English in this game?

I dunno about Elbirn, I only remember him from Large Normal 199 where imo he was disappointing

Hi.

[Anime]

Is there an anime cult? Don't support the tyrany.

I propose an alliance among the non-anime nations.

I do not support this. I believe the Anime-nations may be a great asset to us. I am willing to make a non aggression pact with them. We'll call it the Molotov-Otaku pact

Why would we want an impartial host? Town want someone who will benefit town.

This comment bothers me. Like, isn't that obvious? The implication here is that since i said impartial, im being more scummy, yeah?

VOTE: BuJaber Real vote.

I can agree with this vote
VOTE: BuJaber

Germany denounces Varsoon.

Dear Hitler,

It shouldn't be our concern to help a foreign nation in pursue of their unknown agenda as of yet, but our Nation is kind and generous so, our Congressmen and Congresswomen decided give a helping hand.
You might didn't na zi see it coming, but I believe that God (Zenmar) explained in one of his Holy commandment that while the Nation of yours is not alignement indicative, it very well might be role indicative. I hope that jew understand and please refrain for purposefully reveal yourself in this manner in the subsequents UN Council, some Terrorists Nations might use this information to predict a counterattack in your own Nation, take care.

Kindly,
Prime minister of *******

Wat
I don't think Venmar/Sid Meyer would pick him as the leader for that country. btw my civilization leader is kinda disappointing tbh

Also

[Gamma Emerald]

The German tanks are not subtle in their implications. The scholars wish to remind them that subtlety is the better form of valor at times. The rashness and impulsivity are not favored traits. If I picked up the implications then I doubt I am the only one that asks why you change your mind so erratically. I will see if I can work with you further without making the implications obvious.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald
Can we please avoid using words spuriously? Reading walls with no reads or point is very annoying.

I'm trying not to artificially inflate the thread when it's early-game.

There is no town motivation for a quote wall on page 2.

Pedit. Same reasoning as titus.

nope. I believe the start of a game is critically important to the rest of it so I'm trying to start it with less posts rather than more.

Chara why do you seem so interested in defending Gamma?

I seek to place an embassy in Action Dan's country.

True, why are you defending me so soon Chara? I haven't really posted anything that game-relevant yet.

Titus: i don't care about Gamma. i think Dan's reasoning was bad and brass following him on it worse.
i have noted your spin on the situation.

Okay so I'm essentially the background for this argument, nice, I always wanted to be a background

Titus: i don't care about Gamma. i think Dan's reasoning was bad and brass following him on it worse.
i have noted your spin on the situation.

Dan's vote ninjaed my post for the same reason. All Gamma did was a filler wall. Does that make him lock scum 4ever? No. But I agree with Dan's approach and you seem paricularly close to Gamma by chainsawing all who don't like gamma. Don't know if it's AI but... :/

I don't think they're chainsawing they seem to just think the idea is bad. If it was someone else they'd very likely take the same stance.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also
I'm kinda considering Titus as a host pick

[Gamma Emerald]

If we're thinking "mechanics" I'd probably pick Varsoon, do you agree Titus?

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait I thought someone else was wanting me to be host.

Why would you want me as a host Gamma?

Because I know you're strong as town leader from Real Folk Blues rematch
I would like to determine your alignment before casting a vote but I think it's a good idea to start

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm trying not to artificially inflate the thread when it's early-game.
I believe the start of a game is critically important to the rest of it so I'm trying to start it with less posts rather than more.
I haven't really posted anything that game-relevant yet.

If you haven't posted anything game relevant then you are inflating your post length (and the thread length) instead of the number of posts at a "critically important" time. There's little difference.

First off ick this is cutting out context. Secondly I view page count as more intimidating than page length. You can skip a long post and be fairly well off. You can't skip pages without losing information.
103: lol

Maybe koki's opener is NAI but when dunkerdoodle follows it up by voting koki for host it looks pretty suspicious to me. If it is NAI then on what basis did dunker trust koki?

Basically I'm happy voting to lynch either of those 2 because that interaction doesn't feel right to me from a town POV.

hey gamma any thoughts on this post boi?

Seems interesting but I think he's reading into RVS posting which is ehhh.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

y

I like Titus, Chara and Joey for town currently. I'll post more on why later. Chara when you're back can you respond to my post?

These seem good. I am kinda TRing you tbh.

i believe actiondan and titus are our best shots for congress leader. what do creature and shaziro think of this assertion?

Why actiondan?

smoking fox is an awesome nickname

titus for her overall no bs lets get to the point vibe. i saw an effort to make reads early and just drive the game to a point of consistent productivity i found helpful. id like to see how shed moderate the discussion when the council kicks in cuz her playstyle seems tailored for it

actiondan for the gamma push and his "idc about ppl disagreeing its disgusting" attitude. i liked that idc will still vote it post. i USUALLY see townies b unapologetic for their pushes when challenged as opposed to scum who may hedge or b more diplomatic

Titus is fair, but why does AD's push on me make you inclined to want him as leader? and what is this "I don't care about people disagreeing it's disgusting" thing? I guess the overall read is fair though.

Wait I thought someone else was wanting me to be host.

Why would you want me as a host Gamma?

Because I know you're strong as town leader from Real Folk Blues rematch
I would like to determine your alignment before casting a vote but I think it's a good idea to start

Don't forget your massive crush on her.

WHAT

It's almost as if I insinuated you were scum and that I couldn't trust you as our leader AND that your anime gimmick is really lame--did you take that all to heart and get so peeved you had to come back swatting?

Also, the irony of this post is that my avatar is from a game, not anime. Had I posted an image of Alexander the Great. You wouldn't have had an issue. But, it's interesting. You never really stated why you think I'm scum. Tell me.

Dang Ole Ron Paul has an anime, homie. Furthermore, your character is from a visual novel game, which is, perhaps, even more anime-derivative.
I'm not over here posting pictures of K acting like a cheeser.

Spoiler:

And I did state (VERY OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE I AM SCUM, RIGHT?) why you're scum and why I'm voting you. Guess you can't even pick up on obvious stuff?
I'll say it again:
I can not trust you, especially as leader. Why? Because you self-voted for leader IMMEDIATELY in a game where those votes can't be taken back.
I do not like the anime gimmick. Or VN Gimmick. Really, it's an avatar-posting gimmick. Why does that make you scum? It's a common distancing/fluff tactic that propels the game rhetoric into obnoxious roleplay--it does nothing to help gamesolve. As a moderator and frequent player on-site, I've seen that sort of posting reflect scum and anti-town mentalities time and time again.
I do not like your retaliatory vote on me. You're actively bashing setup spec in a game with public mechanics, which is anti-town at least. Maybe it's OBVIOUS to you, but I'm working with a limited set of information. If anything, your scumflip would confirm to me that scum DON'T have knowledge of all/any of the resolutions because it's 'obvious' to you that we should keep scum for gaining that knowledge. Another big part of this is that dunkerdoodles was supporting you for leader out the gate and I voted him, but you returned to vote for me, which comes off heavily like a chainsaw, especially if you're both scum gambiting around just propelling lots of early congress votes/momentum onto your side.


So, you reveal yourself to be much more likely to be scum than literally any player that had posted by literally page 2, and you prove that your flip would provide a lot of good info. Why the fuck would I not vote you?

Stay chump-mode, anime LOSER.

hmmm,,,
*thinking*

As far as who to make leader, I wish there was more Elbirn posting to go off of, but now it feels like he's in an appeal zone where I'd have to be extra critical of everything.
I think that there's probably some link between Joey's garbage vote on me and their support of Kokicheese. As you can likely tell, I am not a fan of that dude being anywhere near our leader. We should specifically make sure he doesn't even get second place.
People have been talking about Titus and I'm like, eh I dunno. Titus tends to get game-controlling when she has a lot of power/setup knowledge, regardless of alignment, and I think it'd make it much harder for me to figure out the slot.

That's why I said I wanted to figure her out before voting for her

[Gamma Emerald]

These seem good. I am kinda TRing you tbh.

Why?

1) your reads align with mine quite a bit; mirror tell
2) I like your posting so far
3) Varsoon's interactions with you feel like scum tunneling town rn

[Gamma Emerald]

btw the scumteam from the cancelled large was me Anen rb 2319 and Assemble

[Gamma Emerald]

Also I feel like Varsoon is skipping over other people's content to go after KO
it feels like his play from This Game is for pieguyn (pieguyn now goes by pienyan) with how he also tunneled drealmerz7
VOTE: Varsoon
KO no, this is scum!Varsoon

[Gamma Emerald]

These seem good. I am kinda TRing you tbh.

Why?

1) your reads align with mine quite a bit; mirror tell
2) I like your posting so far
3) Varsoon's interactions with you feel like scum tunneling town rn

I disagree with #3. Do you have experience with him or something?

Actually yes, see above

[Gamma Emerald]

Here.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hmm... I suspect one of Nero/BuJaber is guilty of the wrong-way association tell.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hmm... I suspect one of Nero/BuJaber is guilty of the wrong-way association tell.

huh? Who am I being associated with or are you just trying to associate me with Bujaber?

Neither; I think one of you may be pushing the wrong person between Kokichi and Dunker, I just need to figure out the original logic.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hmm... I suspect one of Nero/BuJaber is guilty of the wrong-way association tell.

NEWS FLASH:

Nero has been revealed to be town-aligned by CNN (The question is whether you are willing to believe CNN)

Fake news
But in seriousness I'm starting to get my wheels turning on sorting those two out. btw just because one is scum doesn't make the other town, it's just that one of them is wrong on an associative read which I feel might be scummy

this pings scum to me

If I wasn't nice I would've said something like "shove it". Being the nice person I am I'll just say "suck it". (No offense, but if you think that was a scum post then your scum hunting skills are as good as Stevie Wonder's sight)

somewhere, nancy is pissed off.

[Gamma Emerald]

lol that had nothing to do with that post being AI

[Gamma Emerald]

A lot have said they want me. I want to see if it's true or anti Kochi talk. If so, what is the politics.

See previous posts for why not yet (if you have seen them just tell me).

[Gamma Emerald]

No you got lucky. That game is expressly why I wouldn't want you in a position to make any kind of decision.

Why do you say he got lucky? What about it makes you think he's not fit for the position.

[Gamma Emerald]

So I'm gonna try to break this down

Koki lynched d1
flips scum
Indicates Dunker could have been pushing a buddy as leader
flips town
Dunker probably genuinely trusted Koki

Dunker lynched d1
flips scum
Koki either buddy pushed as leader or town framed or thought of as a leader who would be weak
flips town
absolutely nothing on Koki

So it would make sense to flip Koki first out of those two
time to see who said the opposite, they're probably scum
btw this has nothing to do with my actual lynching plans, I think Koki is town and don't really have a read on Dunker yet

[Gamma Emerald]

Breaking News: Nero Cain is the one who did the wrong-way association tell

[Gamma Emerald]

Breaking News: Nero Cain is the one who did the wrong-way association tell

?

@Brass, We can have both no?

He said Dunker's flip would be telling of Koki's alignment when it probably should be the other way around. As such his association is the wrong way. Because of that he is a possible scum rn, but probably the weakest scumread I have.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma:

You said I was tunneling Kokichi despite it being, what, D1, page 5? Eat my shorts, dude.
Who do you think I should've been interacting with more, if not the guy who looked incredibly scummy AND WHO WAS VOTING ME AND SELF-VOTING FOR CONGRESS LEADER?
I can link you to at least a handful of games where I've tunneled (way harder, mind you) as town. Me tunneling and playing like shit is NAI, and this isn't even tunneling, so I'm really confused on why you're throwing so much shade.
VOTE: GammeEmerald

Still looks like a tunnel. How did Koki look scummy to you? Why is voting you and Self-voting for leader scummy? also nice admission of OMGUS. As for why I'd expect you to address other people it's because you're not bothering to sort anyone else so it looks like you're just tunneling to look like tunneled town.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why is this? After noting Shaziro's post, can you tell me why you are being quiet this game?

I'm letting things roll.

Why? Do you think it's better to read silently and form opinions or actively participate in a large game? Why do you think that?

However his deep role play is making it harder to understand what he means as it pertains to the mafia game. As in I have to work harder to translate it into what he means in terms of mafia mechanics. Like if he were to just speak like he would in a normal game his posts will make more sense. I am trying not to let that affect my perception but could that be AI?

Still happy with my vote. This looks like shade slinging to me.

Not comfortable with the posting of Kokichi, but im not sure exactly what its about.

I was thinking about host's duties, I'm not 100% sure it matters on D1 who gets the host position. It matters much more about what they do with that position, because the specific actions that person takes probably will be able to be read into on later days with flips in mind. From what i understand of the mechanics, having a strong mechanically inclined mind in the host position isnt necessary because the information is public information, and the full town can have input on that.

I'm thinking host voting is kinda like voting for President in Secret Hitler. Difference being that there's the possibility for auto-endgame in Secret Hitler.

TOWN [Ranmaru > Chara > Joey > Marshy > Titus > Varsoon > Action Dan > Shaziro | Dunk > Almost50 > Kokichi > Gamma > Brass > Klazam > Buja > Joda > Pidgey > Assemble | Elbirn > Creature > Nero Cane] SCUM

Vote: Nero Cane

Why is marshy and Shaziro in your town block? Why is Elbirn in your scum block? I'm curious about these because I don't really see that much from them yet. Also what dictates the order of your nulls right now?

Dear Baju something,

Out Nation firmly believes that :

Koki's flip has 0 implications that make Dunk town.

The read and logic you have been promoting for a while concerning the Dunk and Koki Nation are, in our opinion, unfounded and should be dropped immediatly. There’s very little incencitive for Terrorists to ever interact in this way right off the gate. Dunk is also a clumsy Nation almost every UN Council, this behavior is totally better explaines by personnality (that the Nation forgot the delegate votes are permament) than Terrorist Indicative. Kokichi Nation are also one of the most obviously “Town” inclined Nation in the Council. Thus, even if the read itself had merits, the identity (dunk) and UN participation (Koki) tells an other story that is more valable/relevant.

About your concerns of the strcuture our Nation correspond, communication is our priority and like we previously explained to one of your UN Council collegue, if the situation present itself where vulgarisation is needed, we shall remove this emissary for a better suited one.

Kindly,
Prime Minister of ****

Why do you think scum wouldn't interact much early-game? I feel like strong scum team interact a lot to throw people off the scent. Ranmaru and I can both tell you in one of my past scumgames (Mini 1911) I interacted with my buddies a lot early-game.
Also pls spell check Mr. Prime Minister. In addition your posting reminds me of Season 6 of red vs. blue where there was a bit of dialogue between two higher-ups to start each episode.

[Gamma Emerald]

I always think roleplay is a distraction and a distancing technique more than anything else.
Some people call it 'fun', but I don't know what that is, I think.
I almost made Porkens replace out of Maplewood village because the roleplay was getting too annoying for me and made it impossible to read the slot.

He was town and while I was a 3p survivor, I was playing to a town wincon.

P-EDIT:
Shiiiiiiiiiiit I left this to post last night but never did and there's a ton of posts. This is a response to Bujaber's 262.

Why should we care about this?

[Gamma Emerald]

Well what about that interaction specifically reads non-SvS?

[Gamma Emerald]

lets get more dunker/nero cain votes yall

Why those two?

Gamma and chara, vote me as your leader.

Not sure if you're the best choice yet. You must undergo a skill review before being selected, you see.

[Gamma Emerald]

How come you appealed for me to give feedback when you hadn't even tried to sort me out? And how come I'm not your Top TR if you did try to sort me out before you posted that?

Since I know you'll have great reads, I'd rather let you do your thing and just observe you. What you said is fair. (Reading for gist for now but later for comprehension and details) I'd rather encourage you to post your feedback since if you are town, it'll help us greatly.

Why is marshy and Shaziro in your town block? Why is Elbirn in your scum block? I'm curious about these because I don't really see that much from them yet. Also what dictates the order of your nulls right now?

Marshy feels town for now. More of his jokes and tone. Shaziro I like his presence, his questioning to AD to clarify something, his observation of Creature. Elbirn simply due to posting in early game and dropping off. The nulls aren't really ordered as of now, they might be as game goes on though. I just ordered them that way as I looked at through the playerlist. How do you feel about voting Creature?

Thanks, I understand these. I feel like Creature isn't the best vote now but if we need a compromise and Creature hasn't been active it's a good fallback choice.

[Gamma Emerald]

nero obv town

ama

y

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd think it would be closer to 15v3v3 if multiball (which I don't think it is right now anyway)

[Gamma Emerald]

Um what
Should there be a lynching VC as well

[Gamma Emerald]

I didn't expect it to take so long.

Expect what?

[Gamma Emerald]

I didn't expect it to take so long.

Expect what?

The compromise.

What compromise?

[Gamma Emerald]

@GE: Someone would ask eventually, my guy. It also establishes that it's pretty much NAI for me since it's something I genuinely do regardless of alignment and that I know is a bias I have that has led me to persecute other town players.

HEAL: Elbirn

Honestly think Elbirn's a better candidate for this than any of the other proposed ones.

What is this responding to of mine?

[Gamma Emerald]

Why are y'all voting brass?

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:

what

Ranmaru

what

[Gamma Emerald]

Why are people voting Ran all of a sudden

[Gamma Emerald]

b/c he's your scumbuddy Gamma.

boy wouldn't that be fun

I understand Nero Cain's vote. I'm interested in seeing Brass explain his vote.

Why do you say Nero makes sense?

[Gamma Emerald]

How is a misspelling scummy

[Gamma Emerald]

Why are you voting me now?

[Gamma Emerald]

...wtf?
I am bothered by all of these unexplained votes

[Gamma Emerald]

...wtf?
I am bothered by all of these unexplained votes

good

Fuck you
Is this about me covering hypotheticals, and you're mistaking it for actual plans

Brass, why are you sheeping Nero? Can you explain what Nero is voting me for?

I cannot explain why Nero is voting for you. But, I really cannot explain my play without also ruining it right now, I'm guessing I will be able to reveal in about 24-48 hours, but the play is the play.

And now I will not sheep Nero because, as I said before, it's all about wagons.

VOTE: Almost50

literally scumclaim
but gamma's worse

I should be insulted.

You should, looks like he's attacking you for stepping off my wagon.

BTW, I had wanted to ask about this.

Breaking News: Nero Cain is the one who did the wrong-way association tell

?

@Brass, We can have both no?

He said Dunker's flip would be telling of Koki's alignment when it probably should be the other way around. As such his association is the wrong way. Because of that he is a possible scum rn, but probably the weakest scumread I have.

Why is Koki's flip telling of Dunk's alignment? I don't think it is at all and I think its the worst argument ever. Bu is dumb, you should die for sheeping him.

What
The whole thing was a hypothetical, I still believe Koki is town and I'm not sure about Dunker right now (see above). I was just saying your logic was wrong and it might be wrong in a scum way.

Cutting this early because I want responses

@Dunker/Nero: are you voting me for my 213?

[Gamma Emerald]

Why Elbirn, Vasoon? Also I have a question addressed to you earlier in the thread. Also, why are you still voting Gamma? Who else is scum?

Elbirn's definitely town, given how he's played this. I don't agree with his backing of Kokichi and I'd feel way more comfortable with Elbirn in the 2 people deciding things than anyone else because I feel he'd actually make democratic decisions rather than ones based on just what he wants. Apologies for missing your previous question, lemme get to that. It helps to bold things. I have a bad habit of skimming hard sometimes or missing posts entirely. I couldn't tell you who else is scum, but Gamma's still my best lead for who may be. When you stay 'still voting Gamma'--did Gamma do anything to exonerate himself or make himself really obviously town?

Here is my question. If you felt Koki was scum, why did you choose Dunk as your vote instead of Koki at the time?

When I voted, I thought Dunk was scum propping a candidate more than I was scumreading Koki. When Koki came out hot at me, I felt Koki was for sure scummier and we'd get way better info of a Koki lynch.

@GE: Someone would ask eventually, my guy. It also establishes that it's pretty much NAI for me since it's something I genuinely do regardless of alignment and that I know is a bias I have that has led me to persecute other town players.

What is this responding to of mine?

When you asked why I mentioned what faction Porkens and I were in Maplewood.
You also asked me to elaborate on Kokichi but I've pretty much said entirely everything that informed my read there at different points. If you don't like it, I guess you can lynch me for it, idk.

Varsoon, I'd like you to expand on your Gamma read. From an outside view it just looks like 2 OMGUS votes so far.

You really do like using the 'from and outside view' as a phrase a lot, don't you?
I mostly don't like Gamma's criticisms and his play feels really lackluster to me. He's quoting a lot of things but not really saying all that much. I feel like a lot of his criticism of me doesn't really justify a scumread on me at all, like it's lacking venom and just kind of stating facts of my play or asking me to elaborate more while voting me. Like the scumread on me is arbitrary.

Honestly now that you're posting to other people I'm liking you a smidge more. I can understand your scumread on me, even though I don't know what you mean by "lacking venom".Also thanks for answering my questions.
UNVOTE: Varsoon

[Gamma Emerald]

@Nero I wasn't sheeping Bu at all what the flipping heck? I was commenting based on my own logic, not his. Did you even notice 213 when you attacked that post?

[Gamma Emerald]

thats a nation?

How old are you? How well do you do in school?

[Gamma Emerald]

stop rolefishing Joey.

But he's not, he's telling people to back off cos of what is already stated

[Gamma Emerald]

The whole thing was a

hypothetical

,

Is this about me covering

hypotheticals

, and you're mistaking it for actual plans

Do you have any legit reads or is everything just hypothetical?

Yes

pal

, I do have reads. How about you read my posts for real rather than cherry-picking and falsely accusing me of sheeping?

[Gamma Emerald]

OMG Joey stop rolefishing.

All aboard the idiot wagon, choo choo!

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE: Gamma

I like the thought of tied wagons until I get more time in a few days to do analysis.

That would work if Creature were actually at five.

I don't like the wagon on gamma. Too many votes on someone who hasn't done anything scum-indicative.

I still Koki is scum but since I don't have new reasons than what I already said I feeling this might be a lost cause.

At first I thought Nero was voting dunk instead of koki because he is not paying enough attention or hasn't though it through. This is clearly not the case and my logic is not 'dumb'. It might be wrong but not dumb. For him to actually think his reasoning is not just more correct but actually superior to mine is scummy. Basically he's too closed-minded to be town and I'm not someone worthy of being buddied so he doesn't care about butting heads with me.

VOTE: nero

Hm, I've been thinking Nero could be scum cos the bullshit rolefishing attack + he loos like he's cherry-picking my content. Though I'm concerned about this because I'm not sure I agree I haven't done anything scum-indicative. I feel like if someone were to take my 213 out of context that would sound pretty scummy (I think Dunker is doing this) and as I told Varsoon some of his criticisms of me make sense, so why the defense?

[Gamma Emerald]

OMG Joey stop rolefishing.

All aboard the idiot wagon, choo choo!

Where's your vote chump?

OMG Joey stop rolefishing.

troll

Jesus fuck stop rolefishing, joey.

do you know what rolefishing is. vote him or stop complaining.

Hes messing with me

Though it is kinda that you'd conveniently ignore these posts.

I'm not on anyone right now but if you don't shape up it might be on you!

As for those two posts the first is not noteworthy in the slightest and I hadn't gotten to the second, but what the hell do you

want

me to think of it?

[Gamma Emerald]

I still Koki is scum but since I don't have new reasons than what I already said I feeling this might be a lost cause.

I didn't love Koki's reaction to my play after Joey_ voted me, if that helps.

If I said my role was masons with Gamma, what would the general reactions be?

Eh?
I don't think we are connected cos my country has very little connections with yours I think?
btw I don't think anyone would be able to guess my role from my country so I'm fine saying I left very clear crumbs early on

[Gamma Emerald]

Even Joey knows that I'm not attacking him for rolefishing.

He's still not rolefishing tho

[Gamma Emerald]

@brass you realize that being scummy on purpose while softing that your behavior is role related defeats it’s own purpose, even more so considering town is much more inclined to push someome scummy softing than scum knowing you are a real pr. If you wanna slayers gambit then go balls deep, dont half ass it

This is true
I tried to do the same thing as vengeful offsite and failed horribly, but no fallout happened because scum got uber-salty and posted their role pm

[Gamma Emerald]

btw nice one brass

[Gamma Emerald]

For him to actually think his reasoning is not just more correct but actually superior to mine is scummy. Basically he's too closed-minded to be town and I'm not someone worthy of being buddied so he doesn't care about butting heads with me.

ummmm...lol

Look guy, I can maybe understand a Koki/Dunk association read as in if Koki were to flip scum as in "OMG Dunk has to be a scumbuddy b/c he voted Koki!" but even that seems weak. What absolutely makes no sense to me is that you think a Koki town flip makes Dunk town. Sorry for not liking your logic.

a claim of Masons with Nero

We can still be allies and sign a mutual protection pack, yes?

You will have no pact with me, not after what Hitler did in the last one

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE:CHARA

nice
So did you actually think Joey was rolefishing or were you just rxn testing?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Nero Cain

scummy. no town player goes after ranmaru for their vote/main focus at this junction of the game. almost50 can still go as well

eh wot m8
I've kinda been concerned of buddying from Ran so idk

[Gamma Emerald]

is there a limit to how many times a player can be elected to host?

No.

Great. Thank you.

Okay everyone so I propose brass be the host everyday. We can argue about who is runner up.

I think he should be one of host/runner up
not sure which one

@MOD what is the specific differences between each position?

[Gamma Emerald]

somewhere, nancy is pissed off.

In all honesty; I'm starting to fell sick about 75% of the players base on the site coming into games with the preconceived idea of "A50 is good at scum so he must've rolled scum in this game".

Go look at that post and tell me what exactly was scummy about it? And -if you think you know anything about me- would you say that it's 51% likely to come from town!me or scum!me? (I'm making it 51-49 for your convenience. I'd say it's more like a 70-30 or even 80-20, depending on my mood.)

In short, that post is simply A50'ish and is totally NAI to the naked eye. Only very few players can (and should) see that this is coming from town!me.

just kinda skimming the game at the moment, this kinda rubs me the wrong way as Almost50 getting annoyed for being caught by the wrong reasons.

I wasn't even calling a50 scum so if so it's a hilarious over-reaction

[Gamma Emerald]

So did you actually think Joey was rolefishing or were you just rxn testing?

no and no

What was your intent then?

[Gamma Emerald]

It's probably easiest for me to list the people I am flat out against making the runner up.

Kokichi,

why

[Gamma Emerald]

HEAL: Titus I have a good feeling about this slot.

Why? I just questioned you, you random vote to heal me while hardly engaging my substance.

I just did the math, by the way, pidgey just removed anyone without 3 votes on them from the race by doing that bs.

So, basically, thanks to pidgey, we cannot get anyone other than Kokichi, Elbirn and Titus up to 4 votes and myself up to 5 votes.

Of the three, Titus for me.

Same pretty much

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, you have no idea how to play mafia, so plz keep your opinions to yourself. You literally don't know how to play. You had to be taught by Titus. Enough said.

viewtopic.php?p=9275497#p9275497

LOL just cos I took something from her doesn't mean she taught me, I don't think she was in any of my games for a bit of time. I learned by failing pretty much.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, you have no idea how to play mafia, so plz keep your opinions to yourself. You literally don't know how to play. You had to be taught by Titus. Enough said.

viewtopic.php?p=9275497#p9275497

Ouch why are you quoting this?

just to annoy the fuck out of Gamma.

Well I'm not annoyed, in fact I didn't realize that post existed until you brought it up again.
in addendum to my last post, if I'd say someone did teach me how to play it would be Infinity324, with Ranmaru as a second.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Nero Cain

scummy. no town player goes after ranmaru for their vote/main focus at this junction of the game. almost50 can still go as well

eh wot m8
I've kinda been concerned of buddying from Ran so idk

are you scum this game or just being incredibly bad?

the difference between town ran and scum ran is as clear as night and day. as scum he posts halfassed attempts going nowhere and has none of his characteristic bravado. you should kno this by now and onto the scumlist you go for terrible thoughts

fos gamma

That's great, problem is I've only seen them as scum once so I have less to go on, so please keep in mind who you're talking to
Unless you want to enlighten me that they were scum in Crossover

[Gamma Emerald]

marshy, how are you reading Nero now?

now that i think about our games together, i'm pretty sure my last game with Nero was on my Not Chara account, so i can't exactly count on scum Nero knowing my current meta.

should everyone who knows Ran have him conftown by now? i certainly don't know him, but the game hasn't been on for that long.

pedit: i assumed marshy had played with both Gamma and Ran together a few times. otherwise that does make no sense. :>

I mean marshy played with me once and modded a game I was in once so I guess he's seen me a decent amount, though neither time I was actually town

[Gamma Emerald]

also pidgey's on my townlist. i'd thought his "oh no, i didn't know he was IC" looked kind of over the top and faked, but the scum motivation for that didn't hold up.
also 604 is just town.

regarding Klazam scum, i don't have a problem with it.

true, pidgey's been birdbrained ( ) but it's not scummy feeling, they just seem a bit rusty
As for Klazam I think there's a question I asked they may not have answered

[Gamma Emerald]

Ay, fuggit.
VOTE: Klazaam

Can you talk with me a bit about this? I think he's a bit shifty but not quite scummy atm

[Gamma Emerald]

Dude's a non-presence 25 pages in
Don't like the self vote
Don't like the 'real vote' on Bujaber
Don't like his pre-occupation with host stuff and little else.
Don't like that he gives Bujaber a thumbs-up for a good post but keeps his vote there without explaining why.
Don't like him playing off that the host stuff doesn't really matter D1 when IT GIVES BONUS DELEGATES AND ALSO WE HAVE A FRIGGIN IC

Actually looking at this I'm starting to warm up to it, also mentally comparing this to Mini 1923 where they were quite active and I scumread the fuck out of them on entering the game, they feel different in the way you've described about non-presence, I also think they were scum in Amnesiac? Not sure but if so I'll check that soon.
PEdit: thanks anyway

[Gamma Emerald]

okay yeah I've mentioned Klazam as a scumread but asked no questions to them

[Gamma Emerald]

Amnesiac was 19p large wat

[Gamma Emerald]

I thought titus was a good choice since shes one of the only slots i know and was kinda reading her town. Also didnt realize you couldnt unvote for that.

Lol at your vote and saying you buy into my state of mind but still voting me? Lol

And yeh i know mu allignment, its green. Probably unlike yours

Indeed. That's a low blow from A50

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE: Gamma

I like the thought of tied wagons until I get more time in a few days to do analysis.

That would work if Creature were actually at five.

I don't like the wagon on gamma. Too many votes on someone who hasn't done anything scum-indicative.

I still Koki is scum but since I don't have new reasons than what I already said I feeling this might be a lost cause.

At first I thought Nero was voting dunk instead of koki because he is not paying enough attention or hasn't though it through. This is clearly not the case and my logic is not 'dumb'. It might be wrong but not dumb. For him to actually think his reasoning is not just more correct but actually superior to mine is scummy. Basically he's too closed-minded to be town and I'm not someone worthy of being buddied so he doesn't care about butting heads with me.

VOTE: nero

Hm, I've been thinking Nero could be scum cos the bullshit rolefishing attack + he loos like he's cherry-picking my content. Though I'm concerned about this because I'm not sure I agree I haven't done anything scum-indicative. I feel like if someone were to take my 213 out of context that would sound pretty scummy (I think Dunker is doing this) and as I told Varsoon some of his criticisms of me make sense, so why the defense?

I should have used the word AI instead of scum-indicative.

Your 213 is just you explaining what I was saying in your words without specifically agreeing. Why is it AI?


Pidgey is so obviously town but doing such obviously scummy things. It is a strange combination.

A50 just gave more value to a klazam lynch.

I intend to vote for klazam after we secure the host votes

Still want to know why you think nothing of mine is AI. as for 213 I think if someone is looking at it without proper context it would be very fair to scumread it

[Gamma Emerald]

Varsoon if you had any problem with me outing the pr read on Brass then why didn’t say anything after i outed said post instead of making a “sarcastic” post.

You are also misrepping directly to the clear claiming that i was “constantly” pushing the role read etc when actually it was a single post and after brass basically claimed pr himself.

Hey man, you outted Brass, you're not gonna rolefish me, too.
You're the dude who was pushing a

scumread

hard on the fuckin' IC.

For some reason I thought you had made comments about brass' 'four or five' crumbs before that post, but turns out my memory is garbage--sorry for misreppin' ya.
Sarcastic posts can serve plenty of purpose, too. Kokichi'd jump down my throat if I made an 'obvious' post like, "Hey, dickhead, don't out someone's PR crumbs."

Where

[Gamma Emerald]

Holy crap actually someone on this site aknowleding that they made an error over arguing on semantics and omgusing. I will give it the botd UNVOTE:

Sa'll good. I appreciate you being critical of that stuff, because that's usually what I tend to do--I really can't deal with when someone's representation of the game isn't how I see the game, and that sort of disparity tends to inform my scumreads.

Why were you so sure Brass was scum, though? Sorry if you explained it already, I'd rather see it now than go ISO digging.

I wasn't sure, Im having trouble finding scumreads d1 in most game and its even worse in this one, i think that the player base and everyone is performing quite well. Brass was my fos at the time because obviously he had shit tier content and it was aggravated in comparison to the rest of the table. That was most of my fos here then he softed a thousand time and i just realized he was doing something on purpose.

Initially i though that he had an ability about wagons

Nevermind var he explained it himself

[Gamma Emerald]

Why Dunker for scum?

And what are the townreads/why? I'm having issues sinking my teeth into this setup, so any bit of insight is nice.

If ya don't wanna share for -reasons-, I can get that, I guess.
I also think the World Congress play is probably for the best, yes.

I just find when Dunker tried to say I made a scum claim, but still pushed a Gamma lynch for Gamma being "worse" when there is no explanation for it seems to me like a scum move. I think Gamma is likely town, personally, and Dunk's actions scream to me of scum trying to get the mislynch on one today, then set up a mislynch of me tomorrow.

I also think that Chara is likely town as she was the first to call out my scummy behavior, which is also why I kind of like Joey_ for a town read as well. WIFOM, perhaps, but scum at the time were the only ones who knew I was not aligned with them. Seems too conspicuous to vote the way they were when it was going to be a mislynch in the end.

I also like that throughout the time I was throwing my vote around, Ranmaru was calmly questioning. I'd townlean on that.

As to Dunk being common mislynch bait, I am not aware of Dunk's meta.

When was Dunk's last post btw

[Gamma Emerald]

Since my post seems to have been lost to the internet ether. Kokichi is both a scumlean for me and in my view, a bit of a wild card. Even if he was townlean from me, I don't want someone who is as unpredictable as I have seen him be.

Now I'm glad you'll likely be N1'd. I've caught you when you were obvious scum before. Do you find my game different than the one you replaced out of when I caught you as scum?

Wooooow way to be a massive dick! He had work you asshole, and that was stated there I believe.

[Gamma Emerald]

Aaaaah, I'm just gonna post this and hope I'm right. I've been debating it because I think that if I am wrong and we make these setup assumptions, it could really kick us in the ass.

I was thinking a lot about what's keeping scum from just completely gaming the delegates, especially considering the snowballing that happens if scum manage to get multiple delegates.
As an earlier post of mine implies, I figured it was initially just a balance point of either scum knowing resolutions already (no info to be gained from being a world leader) or that a lot of scum voting a world leader in would be very obvious.
I then realized that it's much more likely the setup is multiball and that scum teams are only two or three players. Why's that?

1. What really tipped me off was the non-specificity of my role PM and the opening posts in regards to a 'scum team'. There's mention of eliminating 'all threats to town', but that's it.
2. I thought for sure the 'all threats to town' was an absolute nod to the game being multiball because of the wording, but after digging Venmar's mod-meta, I've discovered:
--a) Venmar uses the same wording even in his singleball setups with exclusion of an open setup he ran way back in 2012.
--b) Out of over 5 different setups of Venmar's design, only one of them was singleball entirely.
3. Given the flavor of the theme (multiple civilizations forming alliances, the fact people often play multiple 'teams', the multiple wincons in the game that different civs shoot for, etc.), there are several avenues to make this a multiball game
4. Singleball would actually make the World Congress mechanic unbalanced in favor of scum.
5. If anti-town factions have daychat, then there's NO WAY that the game is singleball, because the amount of co-ordination a full-size singular scumteam could do in this kind of setup with daychat would make the world leader mechanic almost pointless for town. However, if there are multiple smaller teams, daychat makes a lot more sense. I did not check Venmar's previous games to see if daychat was normal in his setups, but I do recall there being encryptors in the setup.

I had this revelation awhile back, between posts 100 and 200, because I had a pretty dynamic shift in how I was viewing the game/mechanics by 226 and forward.
Assuming multiball, we should be a lot more critical of the people who are laying low and self-voting, like Klazaam, because in multiball:
1. Scum players are likelier to self-vote and get a partner to boost them.
2. Scum players are likelier to avoid voting people they don't have a hard townread on because they need to avoid the other scum team become leader, too.
2. Scum players are likelier to lay low and not draw a lot of attention to themselves because they don't want to catch a cross-kill because cross-kills are what makes scum lose very fast in multiball.

This is why I townread Elbirn so hard, because he self voted but didn't seem aware of the mechanics all that much, then voiced support for Kokichi, who is not likely to be on the same scumteam as him if he was scum--if Elbirn were scum aware of multiball, he'd be way more hesitant to couch support of someone with some votes on them already. Furthermore, Elbirn's opening posts draw a lot of attention to him, imo, and wouldn't make sense coming from a multiball scum player PoV.

Mhm this makes a lot of sense. So I'm going to be on the look out for those who are scummy in general and not associative clearing, then.
Also this feels like town because it's such a deductive method that if it were scum they probably wouldn't be doing it cos already aware it's multiball/singleball and as such not as incentivized to look this stuff up

[Gamma Emerald]

Any town that we make leader would be a likely NK target, Kokichi. All the same, any host we put up might be able to pull protectives, too.

If we have an innocent child, then it's likely mafia have a strong arm. And what would be better. Having one of the IC and World leader alive. Or having them be the same person and die.

Doesn't our world leader change each day? What impact would that have on your opinion Kokichi?

[Gamma Emerald]

Since my post seems to have been lost to the internet ether. Kokichi is both a scumlean for me and in my view, a bit of a wild card. Even if he was townlean from me, I don't want someone who is as unpredictable as I have seen him be.

Now I'm glad you'll likely be N1'd. I've caught you when you were obvious scum before. Do you find my game different than the one you replaced out of when I caught you as scum?

Yes that's part of my issue here. You were town there.

And please don't imply that I replaced out because of you. If you read the dead thread you know why I replaced

Never said you replaced out because of me. And how is that part of the issue???? I was town and I caught scum??

I mean that's what it sounded like you were saying.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think it's more likely that there's just multiple NKs present.

It's possible, I could see a SK actually. I'm not too sold on 2 mafia, and I don't think it's really needed to be discussed right now until we see night kills.

I've explained why it's important to consider right now.

I think the setup is either: 14-3-3-1 (bulletproof SK, lots of town power, protectives in scum/town), 15-3-3, or 15-2-2-2 or something similar to that.

Not a huge fan of you undermining the IC.

Ehhhh anything beyond 15-3-3 I don't wanna think about

[Gamma Emerald]

Cutting this early because I want responses

@Dunker/Nero: are you voting me for my 213?

no

WHY?

[Gamma Emerald]

btw I held back my vitriol to actually try to engage with you Dunker, if you blow me off that vitriol will return twofold

[Gamma Emerald]

@Brass:

Dunno if you got back to me or whatever, but did you figure anything out from your attempt at gambiting around IC? iirc you didn't have anything conclusive, but I could be wrong and also you've had more time to think on it now.

I did respond, but, I really think Dunker is scum.

I also got a few town reads from it, but not as much as I was hoping. I do think revealing with the World Congress still up for grabs ended up being a better play than anything I was able to do with my gambit, though.

can u explain why u scumread me so i can defend myself

VOTE: Dunkerdoodles
Hypocrite.

[Gamma Emerald]

my meta is not lynchbait anymore is what im saying

Hm okay, what im saying is that you are lynchbait this game

why am i lynchbait this game and not just scum?
VOTE: joey

Who says they have to be exclusive

[Gamma Emerald]

^
bad vote

Says the guy who thinks I'm "sheeping BuJaber"

[Gamma Emerald]

@Chara: OK...

UNVOTE:

Who do you think I should vote? (Hint: Not you,

Nero, Dunker

or ran)

Ew

[Gamma Emerald]

I still think Gamma is likely a comrade in arms to the town right now. I'm at least townleaning, but there seems to be a disagreement.

If we aren't going to finish setting up the World Congress today and getting a totally awesome resolution to be voting on, then, I would like to discuss Mr. Emerald and see if we can come to a meeting of the two factions, say an East and West that seem to have some wall between them.

Have you decoded my crumbs yet or is this just really lucky that you said this

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, read my bit on the setup likely being multiball, which is what informs a lot of why I think all of that play is scummy, too.

I've read it and don't see the connection?

[Gamma Emerald]

Nothing is scummy about jockeying for votes on a wagon normally, but it could be, circumstantially, and definitely in the face of making the IC world congress leader.
But you get my point, yeah?

i get your point that townies cannot be cleared off of scum lynches

i dont get your point about me being the worst on the wagon. like do you think im just gonna say "oh yeah youre totally justified to push a townie cuz of multiball spec"?

lol this guy once again

in other news i am getting really anxious for a50 to flip but i do enjoy the klazam wagon.

first world problems man

In any other game I'd ignore this but it feels like a soft

[Gamma Emerald]

Says the guy who thinks I'm "sheeping BuJaber"

if you aren't then I'm really not understanding what you are saying or maybe what he's saying. Bu was (and I guess he still believes?) that Koki is scum and Dunk is scummy and scum with her. He also believes that if Koki flips town then Dunk is also town. I don't agree with either of those statements but it's the latter that makes absolutely no sense to me. You said to me that I was using a wrong way association tell as in Bu's logic is right.

Yeah I was saying Bu was right with the association, but I wasn't sheeping BuJaber. 213 is where I worked out that Bu was right myself. If I were to sheep him 213 would not exist. Is this clear?

[Gamma Emerald]

Hrmmm...Creature, Varsoon, Almost50.

If they are all scum, there is undoubtably a team in there somewhere

. Guess I'll look for some associatives.

huh?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Nero Cain

scummy. no town player goes after ranmaru for their vote/main focus at this junction of the game. almost50 can still go as well

eh wot m8
I've kinda been concerned of buddying from Ran so idk

How am I buddying you, when I have a null read of you?

I felt like you were defending my opening quite a lot

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah I was saying Bu was right with the association, but I wasn't sheeping BuJaber. 213 is where I worked out that Bu was right myself. If I were to sheep him 213 would not exist. Is this clear?

but its the EXACT same logic that Bu was pushing BEFORE you. Posting 213 still doesn't make you not a parrot.

Ex-fucking-cuse me? Do you not get how it isn't parroting if I'm reaching the conclusion myself, or are you seriously that inept at grasping this?

[Gamma Emerald]

Nothing is scummy about jockeying for votes on a wagon normally, but it could be, circumstantially, and definitely in the face of making the IC world congress leader.
But you get my point, yeah?

i get your point that townies cannot be cleared off of scum lynches

i dont get your point about me being the worst on the wagon. like do you think im just gonna say "oh yeah youre totally justified to push a townie cuz of multiball spec"?

lol this guy once again

in other news i am getting really anxious for a50 to flip but i do enjoy the klazam wagon.

first world problems man

In any other game I'd ignore this but it feels like a soft

Why highlight perceived softs?

Eh don't worry about it
that was a mistake

[Gamma Emerald]

To explain, Ranmaru, I think all of them are scummy on their own. In trying to find strange interactions between them, I can narrow down which one I think will give me the most information if they flip, and then I will know where I want my vote. Do you disagree that a person who has a potential association with 4 people is worth more to lynch than a person with no potential associations, assuming both are scummy in and of themselves?

What do you think of Varsoon's multiball theory?

[Gamma Emerald]

yo ran

do you got time to reread almost50? ive been thinking of lynching him today i havent seen any townie posts from him. tell me what you think

I know A50 tends to have a scummy meta and yet, he has better read accuracy then me. (He's my team mate in Team Mafia) So I'd rather not lynch him today, as he'd be more valuable to town as town, if that is the case. If he's scum, we'll find him through his buddies.

i really think hes scum. he is my next lynch

man nero is scummy. he needs to go before endgame as well

bad post

[Gamma Emerald]

I am dumb Gamma and need you to explain the difference in these.

Well no because if dunker and koki are both scum his vote makes sense as a scum move. If dunker is town it's just a dumb move. If dunker is scum and koki is town that makes even less sense as a move. So I vote koki who could be either scum or town. If he flips town that probably means dunker is town. If he flips scum dunker could be town but would very likely be scum.

So I'm gonna try to break this down

Koki lynched d1
flips scum
Indicates Dunker could have been pushing a buddy as leader
flips town
Dunker probably genuinely trusted Koki

Dunker lynched d1
flips scum
Koki either buddy pushed as leader or town framed or thought of as a leader who would be weak
flips town
absolutely nothing on Koki

So it would make sense to flip Koki first out of those two
time to see who said the opposite, they're probably scum
btw this has nothing to do with my actual lynching plans, I think Koki is town and don't really have a read on Dunker yet

These aren't different, but the point is I didn't just go say "I think Bujaber is right" I actually thought it through myself and worked through the logic. So I'd like you to explain how me working clearly through the logic myself still be considered scum parroting.

[Gamma Emerald]

btw brass I don't mind you outing my nation as I softed it in-thread

[Gamma Emerald]

yo ran

do you got time to reread almost50? ive been thinking of lynching him today i havent seen any townie posts from him. tell me what you think

I know A50 tends to have a scummy meta and yet, he has better read accuracy then me. (He's my team mate in Team Mafia) So I'd rather not lynch him today, as he'd be more valuable to town as town, if that is the case. If he's scum, we'll find him through his buddies.

i really think hes scum. he is my next lynch

man nero is scummy. he needs to go before endgame as well

bad post

you are among the last to lecture me on bad posts boi

are you townreading a50 or something? what are your thoughts on him?

this game is good. im also on a creature wagon in spirit. a50/creature/klazam are all great plays

Cos while Nero isn't the best he just seems to be dense rather than scum

[Gamma Emerald]

@Ran

this is a summary of my reads right now, green = town and red = scum
I don't really have hard scumreads but I have scumleans

Varsoon
Nero Cain

Assemblerotws

brassherald

BuJaber

Kokichi Oma

Creature

Chara

Elbirn

Klazam

Titus

Shaziro

ActionDan

Joey_

Dunkerdoodles

pidgey

Jodaxq
Almost50

marshy

ranmaru

[Gamma Emerald]

pot? kettle?

explain how I'm "being dense"
also that rings of perspective slip

[Gamma Emerald]

I've kinda found you suspicious at points Bu.

[Gamma Emerald]

I s2g if someone's role is the sample role PM I will bitch-slap the mod

[Gamma Emerald]

explain how I'm "being dense"

Remember that time you kept claiming that I was pushing Joey for rolefishing despite Joey himself saying that he knew I wasn't pushing him for rolefishing. I also feel like its a bit lame to call me dense for calling you on parroting. If you wanna get mad and thrown a hissy fit so be it.

I'd like to hear more on why you found Bujaber suspicious.

Okay that makes sense but still that's kinda a perspective slip cos you didn't adjust to say I was scum being dense rather than town
As for the "parroting" are you arguing what Bu said (I went through his logic) or are you tinfoiling the thought that I made a post about it while also just copying someone else's logic

[Gamma Emerald]

BuJaber suspicion is based on something early and the fact it feels like he was whiteknighting me at one point

[Gamma Emerald]

okay the early thing is a gripe about him picking on semantics

[Gamma Emerald]

any links? posts?

this

HEAL: Klazam


Because I will be a good and impartial host, ensuring the voices of all of the world will be heard. Do not fall under the sway of the above tyrant.

Why would we want an impartial host? Town want someone who will benefit town.

BuJaber jabs at Klazam for using the term impartial because they used separate definitions

but idk it looks like it was just RVS, and I don't want to let RVS occurrences cloud my judgment

[Gamma Emerald]

@BuJaber I suggest avoiding using ongoing games for the most part. If the person flipped I think it might slide but otherwise don't.
PEdit: wait what? What are you telling him there Nero?

[Gamma Emerald]

HEAL: Host: brassherald
Let's get this dealt with

[Gamma Emerald]

idk all of Elbirn's pushes feel like crap

[Gamma Emerald]

waiting til deadline leads to dealine rushes and can also kill momentum
as for my vote tell me why I shouldn't vote Dunker for being a dirty hypocrite.

[Gamma Emerald]

NOT VOTING

:

• Assemblerotws, Jodaxq, Gamma Emerald, Joey_, Chara

Why aren't you guys voting? Keep your vote in play.

I wasn't voting because I wasn't caught up to the game. I do think the nonvotes outside of me and Assembler are interesting.

Interesting in which capacity

Interesting as in I'm interested into knowing why they were not voting

I didn't have anything I wanted to go after more than anything else

[Gamma Emerald]

@Ran

this is a summary of my reads right now, green = town and red = scum
I don't really have hard scumreads but I have scumleans

Varsoon
Nero Cain

Assemblerotws

brassherald

BuJaber

Kokichi Oma

Creature

Chara

Elbirn

Klazam

Titus

Shaziro

ActionDan

Joey_

Dunkerdoodles

pidgey

Jodaxq
Almost50

marshy

ranmaru

Mind if I sheep you for today?

P.S. I genuinely disagree on Dunker being Scum though, but what do I know?

what
I feel uncomfortable about A50 asking me this

[Gamma Emerald]

Username: Creature
First Post: Mar 03, 01:14pm
Last Post: Mar 05, 05:27pm
Elapsed Time: 1 day 4 hours
Posts: 11

Personal note: Second time he takes a nose dive into oblivion already.

Deduction: Scum
Reasoning: Matches his scum meta

VOTE: Creature

If Dunker shapes up my vote moves here (Creature) btw

[Gamma Emerald]

what
I feel uncomfortable about A50 asking me this

Dude! Just because I think you rolled town

FOR ONCE

in a game with me doesn't mean you should feel uncomfortable. By now you should know I have a higher than "random average" of pegging you correctly, so CHILL!

It's the way you're telling me that which is making me weirded out

[Gamma Emerald]

The way you did it, jesus christmas I just said that

[Gamma Emerald]

Joda

: When do you expect to have internet access? Give us an estimate. Can you explain your vote?

Gamma

: Why do you scum lean Marshy?

I feel like his way of stating suspicion on Nero was scummy, like he didn't care to push it himself but wanted him gone

[Gamma Emerald]

@Brass:

Dunno if you got back to me or whatever, but did you figure anything out from your attempt at gambiting around IC? iirc you didn't have anything conclusive, but I could be wrong and also you've had more time to think on it now.

I did respond, but, I really think Dunker is scum.

I also got a few town reads from it, but not as much as I was hoping. I do think revealing with the World Congress still up for grabs ended up being a better play than anything I was able to do with my gambit, though.

can u explain why u scumread me so i can defend myself

VOTE: Dunkerdoodles
Hypocrite.

why?
also why does that make me scum?

You haven't explained why you voted me ever

[Gamma Emerald]

creature wagon bad

no way it's pure

thanks for claiming scum with creature

[Gamma Emerald]

I actually never truly scumread Dunker until he made his post attacking the Creature wagon, I was just voting him to get his attention so I could get him to explain himself. I don't think Creature and Dunker have played together much so I think Dunker is uninitiated to Creature's scum meta, and that's the exact reaction I expect from that type of person if they were scum with their buddy being wagoned like that
VOTE: Creature tho since he has to be scum for that to work

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:
oh right he's close to lynch apparently?

[Gamma Emerald]

Why are people voting Ran all of a sudden

thanks for claiming scum with ran

Also that's a completely different post, I was asking why, you were attacking the wagon by saying scum were on it

[Gamma Emerald]

Nothing is scummy about jockeying for votes on a wagon normally, but it could be, circumstantially, and definitely in the face of making the IC world congress leader.
But you get my point, yeah?

i get your point that townies cannot be cleared off of scum lynches

i dont get your point about me being the worst on the wagon. like do you think im just gonna say "oh yeah youre totally justified to push a townie cuz of multiball spec"?

lol this guy once again

in other news i am getting really anxious for a50 to flip but i do enjoy the klazam wagon.

first world problems man

In any other game I'd ignore this but it feels like a soft

why are you mentioning a potential soft?
oh cause ur scum right

also I said it was a mistake because I feel like there was no point to it, if it was a soft it's a soft if not then it's not, but honestly I wanted more people to catch my soft so maybe that motivated me to try to catch one of his

[Gamma Emerald]

Why are people voting Ran all of a sudden

thanks for claiming scum with ran

Also that's a completely different post, I was asking why, you were attacking the wagon by saying scum were on it

i don't care who the wagon was on, i'm just saying the wagon is bad based on how quickly it formed

i've played with creature before, but im not aware of their meta.

i didn't count exactly, but the wagon grew so fast, it was like 8 votes over 2 pages or something
theres no way 8 townies just happened to vote a scum member by chance

Doesn't change the fact Creature is scum and your reaction to his wagon was terrible

[Gamma Emerald]

also ngl Dunker your avatar isn't as good as the previous one

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't care if the wagon is pure though, why do you

[Gamma Emerald]

if the wagon is pure there's a better chance of the wagon being scum. pretty basic

anyways, i never said i wasn't going to join the wagon, i just don't like it right now
we haven't even elected a leader yet, nor do we know the council thingys we vote on

So you were indirectly calling Creature town. Sweet!

[Gamma Emerald]

Activity overview:

Gamma Emerald: 126 posts.

Impressive.

Go on. I'm ready. What are

you

waiting for?

[Gamma Emerald]

Nice to see AD shading my posting frequency with no actual backbone. He's scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

HEAL: brassherald

I think I may shade the player with the most posts actually from time to time. It sounds fun.

If I have the post posts I'd actually be glad
I never have the most posts

[Gamma Emerald]

Nice to see AD shading my posting frequency with no actual backbone. He's scum.

Why do you assume his post meant that high post count was “scummy”? The word “impressive” can go both way and i personnaly don’t know from the post alone if he were shading you or implying its good by your meta or something

He was voting me earlier for my walls, which I had explained had the purpose of reducing early-game pagecount. It seems he's getting on my case for posting more than I seemed to imply I would in the beginning. My problem is that he's not sayin it directly, which feels like scum not wanting to stick their neck out for that push.

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh it was shading.

Just not shading that implied anything AI.

Why do it then?

[Gamma Emerald]

[6] brassherald: Nero Cain (1), Shaziro (1), Chara (1), Jodaxq (1), ranmaru (1), ActionDan (1)
[3] Kokichi Oma: Kokichi Oma (1), Dunkerdoodles (1), Joey_ (1)
[3] Elbirn: Elbirn (1), Bujaber (1), Varsoon (1)
[3] Titus: Titus (1), marshy (1), pidgey (1)

Of the wagons with 3 delegates, I prefer Titus.


not voting: Kiana Kaslana (1), brassherald (1), Creature (1), Gamma Emerald (1),

Both Brass and Gamma should vote Titus putting her at 5. Kiana can vote Brass meaning Creatures lone vote won't affect anything and thus we should get our resolutions by then.

Its already getting close to 50 pages. Let's get this show on the road.

I thought I picked brass already

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: gamma

Pointing out softclaims with no reason, posting generally makes me uncomfortable, and being around for awhile without casting the host vote for Brass, these are the reasons. Im on page 37.

How does my posting make you uncomfortable? That's a very vague accusation with minimal accountability.

[Gamma Emerald]

A50 trying to pull the wagon away from me to creature is eh.

I like titus' points on Kokichi. I think they makes sense to me.

Do you not agree that Creature is obvscum?

[Gamma Emerald]

Chara/gamma/klazam/titus/ran/nero/koki all seem better flips.

Hahaha no

[Gamma Emerald]

I picked the most polarizing people I remember.. list maybe missing one or two

Polarizing =/= scum pal

[Gamma Emerald]

I actually think gamma is town here but a flip either way would make people a lot more focused. I'd love to see how people explain their scumread on him if he flips town.

This really feels stupid. First off the "I'd still be willing to lynch him even though I think he's town" is terrible and speaks of a lack of accountability. Second you make people explain their reads before the flip not after.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Ran is just bad town or, if Varsoons multiball spec/calculated slip turns out to be right then he's maybe Not Chara scum. Of that list I feel like Chara is the best flip though. I still feel like Gamma sheeping your logic was a scummy parrot. Him getting all ticked off is something that I could maybe see from town but I could also see it from scum...so I guess its null. *shrugz*

Don't really like Klazam stopping in the middle of hi catchup.

You know what just fuck you. You're not actually listening to my logic, you're just pushing the same line of bullshit over and over.
VOTE: Nero Cain
Thunderdome time.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Ran is just bad town or, if Varsoons multiball spec/calculated slip turns out to be right then he's maybe Not Chara scum. Of that list I feel like Chara is the best flip though. I still feel like Gamma sheeping your logic was a scummy parrot. Him getting all ticked off is something that I could maybe see from town but I could also see it from scum...so I guess its null. *shrugz*

Don't really like Klazam stopping in the middle of hi catchup.

You know what just fuck you. You're not actually listening to my logic, you're just pushing the same line of bullshit over and over.
VOTE: Nero Cain
Thunderdome time.

I don't want a thunderdome. If you think he's scum, pepper him with reads questions instead. Get him to reveal his teammates via his reads or actions.

I have been questioning him on his thoughts on me and it's clear he's not actually trying to read me

[Gamma Emerald]

I picked the most polarizing people I remember.. list maybe missing one or two

Polarizing =/= scum pal

Right wow okay you caught me I just wanted to use a fancy word that I don't know the meaning of.

Sigh


I picked those people because they are not widely townread. Being widely townread is

generally speaking

a sign that someone is town. So all of these people have a reasonable chance of being scum considering some people have already scumread them.

Polarizing means some people have townread them, some have scumread them. There are clear opinions expressed about them. Not that much fence sitting. That means when they flip gives us more to go on when we analyze the people who stated reads on them. Of course fence-sitting can also be AI. But the point was to compare those lynches to creature. Anyone who has played with him thinks he's scum. For the rest of us we don't know anything. Apart from the host vote stalling he's a nullread for anyone who doesn't know his meta. We are going purely with what everyone else is saying. So when he flips whatever he will flip what does that tell us? If people know his meta this well there is no way scum!A50 does this just to lynch town creature, and everyone else who's on the wagon would be equally guilty. And if he flips scum, everyone including any bussers equally had a part in lynching him and they all had the same reason so we can't deduce anything from that.

Obviously I know the benefits to town. I am not suggesting his lynch is bad. I am suggesting there are better lynches. You can play the game okay and win. You can play the game well and win more often. IMO lynching creature is the okay play not the optimal play.

I guess this is fair. As far okay vs optimal I feel like Creature vs anyone else is like gambling a bit: do you take the safe bet or roll the dice on someone else?

[Gamma Emerald]

lol you don't even have to iso creature his posting frequency is enough to scumread him

[Gamma Emerald]

Just 2 questions about Creature for everyone who knows him:

1.- Would the size of this game affect his posting as town too? Or he always goes balls to the walls as town and lurker derp derp as scum?

2.- Is the amount of games he has played as town or scum considerable enough to warranty the meta read?

And yeah if he is scum we definitely lynch him, no way we let the slot survive even it its a "day 1 guilty"

1 I'm not sure of but I think he has been active in larges before, maybe it's time to go

very

deep, like the first time I saw him as scum deep
2 Yeah he's played sevveral games as both aligns at this point

[Gamma Emerald]

Titus. Creature is posting elsewhere.

Pretty sure yesterday I had no internet, so no.

Please cast a delegate vote.

Who do you recommend?

Titus

[Gamma Emerald]

Why Titus over brassherald?

Because brass is already locked as host, we just need to lock Titus as runner-up, your vote will do it

[Gamma Emerald]

btw Creature why are you still voting me if you still intend to?

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually, why were you even voting me in the first place?

[Gamma Emerald]

Catching up now after yesterday having been my D&D night. Kokichi isn't getting WC Host, ideally. Not sure how I feel about Titus having it, but it's really a choice between her and Elbirn, soooo. Yeah. No Kokichi pls. I can see Klazam and Almost being scum together, Klazam's post on why he's townreading Almost came off to me as trying to make absolutely sure that the townread on his scum partner was justified in the minds of town, to avoid it biting him in the ass later.

Creature is obviously scum.Creature's scum meta is 100% clear, and this is it. Creature needs to go. Waiting won't give us any associatives, he isn't going to -say- anything or -do- anything. He's just going to sit around and prodge in thread, and then at night if he has a scum PR he'll use it. It is infinitely more beneficial to town to lynch Creature. I'm not sure where the wagons are at for lynch votes or I'd have thrown mine on Creature, but I want to make sure we've got WC sorted before a lynch.

Also pls read this page

[Gamma Emerald]

tfw mod bumps and makes you post useless
THANKS

[Gamma Emerald]

Looking at the wagons, at least 1 is probably scum. Too much investment otherwise.

I think this should lock the WC hosts. Then Kiana can vote Brass.

wat

[Gamma Emerald]

Brass is at 7, you're at 5, one delegate remains

[Gamma Emerald]

No I'm less confident on Creature being scum now

[Gamma Emerald]

You're wrong. Lynch him.

No thanks, he's actually engaging for now

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: GammaEmerald

This feels random, is that based off what Titus has said? Who do you think I'm defending if so?

[Gamma Emerald]

We also need to pick within 24 hours.

That's good imo, prevents a stall in that department

[Gamma Emerald]

I happen to think you are town.

or maybe you're wrong and Brass was right.

ehhh this feels scummy
like he's rejoicing in Titus being wrong

[Gamma Emerald]

Well ActionDan is producing super little content and I gave up on the hope that he'd answer my question long ago, but I am not fond of him being super low content and not answering my question the point of which was that Ranmaru did almost exactly the same thing as Gamma Emerald but in multiple posts rather than one. He didn't say anything to Ranmaru and whatnot.

Also, let's ban crabs not silk.

P-edit: Embargoing Koichi isn't a scumclaim, it's Titus tunneling and she needs to stop. If she doesn't, then it's more likely scum!Titus

Why is tunneling Titus likely to be scum

[Gamma Emerald]

Crab is probably something like Canada or United States (Alaska)
dunno about gold

[Gamma Emerald]

Gold is inca's btw

also aztecs tho?

[Gamma Emerald]

does it not concern anyone that basically everyone is calling creature lockscum
no?
guess its just me

I'm not

[Gamma Emerald]

Is it 100% that embargo prevents someone from being WC?

[Gamma Emerald]

ok ok

but in my experience you're usually more passive

How was he passive in your game

[Gamma Emerald]

Titus is very likely scum ftr.

y

[Gamma Emerald]

2. Giving everyone a buff I think helps scum more than town, I'd rather do a science buff to someone we trust. Is there any reason we can't peacekeep AND sciencefund Brass?

I can agree with that. So science is just for Brass? If so, do that one.

I thought about that too, but it goes back to the problem of putting all our eggs in the same basket but im not against it for the sake of knowing what i does, but maybe brass will die n2 and not being able to use the science
thingy if its a night ability. I prefer the science fund a tr variant

@Nero, science is just for one selected person. It could be Brass, our conftown. Or it could be anyone.

I hypothesize that Arts funding and science funding do the same thing, just that one is for all and one is for only one person.

@Joey, if we don't want to go all in on one person we could pick someone else, but I don't know if there's someone we all agree on as townie and I'd hate to buff a scum. Like I guess there could be good info to be gotten from something like that but I don't play to get info I play to kill bad people and making the bad people strong doesn't help that goal.

Also @ Everyone, what is this three choices nonsense? Host gets a choice. Secondary host gets a choice. Stopit.

the bolded: I don't think so, look at the Nahdia's Civ game for why (it's on the first page so dw about a long read).
For the everyone question what? I'd think I'd take the conftown with the ability at their word here.

[Gamma Emerald]

It's the same way you know your own child is your child but you don't trust them enough to leave them in the house alone.

Okay, maybe a more apt analogy is that there have always been people that have townread me but would not trust me to lead town. Does that make sense?

Oh no it makes perfect sense
also top

[Gamma Emerald]

HEAL: Yay: peacekeep brassherald
2/12
Pedit: how am I all over the place

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't get that description of silk tbh, all I saw on the wikipedia page was objections to silk based on animal rights

[Gamma Emerald]

[Congressional Peace-keeping ~ brassherald] - The world is full of unforeseen threats. Assign delegates supporting or opposing a player in need of Congressional peace-keeping armies in their nation. A player may not assign delegates to themselves.

This resolution may not be enacted consecutively

.

maybe we shouldn't use it today?

Why not? If we don't do it today and brass dies what's the point of waiting?

[Gamma Emerald]

Given the game size I'd be surprised if we didn't have a decent amount of town protective, plus upicks generally are role madness so probably multiple protectives

[Gamma Emerald]

Nero: it did click how posting without being scummy to you is better than not posting at all. thanks.
i do think Dunker is scummy, especially with the lack of Creature meta knowledge. his reads in general are also all very backwards to mine.

Joey: i don't think it's awful. one can't really plan their V/LAs. if Kiana's town i'm excited to see what she'll do once caught up.

pedit: thanks. :>

im scum for not knowing someone's meta?
ok then

I mean I made a similar accusation and you didn't respond, why respond to Chara?
Also speaking of Chara did y'all see that Nintendo Direct? It was AWESOME.

[Gamma Emerald]

Real talk, I gave the 'on another level' role in Varsoon Mafia to my IRL friend Xiao Long because he's the only dude who even got the 'level' stuff at that time.
I think it all started as a joke in Open 512 C9++ (if that's the right number, could be misremembering) where I was just spouting off as much BS as possible to try to clog the thread with noise while my team bussed me.
Did not work out. Bad strat. I have disavowed noise strats.

Idk about noise strats but I'm not discussing that while the game goes on, remind me at the end pretty please

[Gamma Emerald]

What made it awesome?

See for yourself man. It's a half-hour fyi.

[Gamma Emerald]

pseudo-vote Creature
what's he at right now in terms of closeness to being lynched?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Creature
as long as it's not a hammer yet I'm okay voting

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, update me on your reads.

idk Not much has changed that much at this point? Nero is a scumread now tho

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean it's not just Smash that I'm excited for, the splatoon content is cool, undertale and crash are coming to switch, and the 3ds line-up isn't half-bad either

[Gamma Emerald]

Wondering if the Switch flounder the same way the WiiU did; a few of cool titles around launch, some tech demos, then nothing but ports and titles with low appeal.

OKAY SO YOU'RE ONE OF THOSE ASSHOLES
I'm sorry but I can't talk Nintendo with you ever if you're going to hold a stance like this

[Gamma Emerald]

Well the way you said that made you sound like one of the Switch naysayers. It's been putting out strong titles rather consistently thus far. And the Wii U didn't start strong, that's why it failed. It took years for it to draw the attention it needed to draw at the start.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, sorry for getting so off-topic with discussion here.
It's just a bit weird that the game is stalled--is it just because the IC wants a slot to catch up?

Interesting that's it's stalled though, you'd think there'd be some attempts at counterwagoning
I don't think the ones who are unaware of Creature's scum meta are scum with him currently

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah thats a good thought. i had considered waiting for a sale but i found one online for like $240 and amazon has title selling at around $48. from memory im not sure if things will get much lower than that but im not sure. i havent paid attention to the price points of the switch games around christmas/black friday

i agree the prices are insane. i was glad to find that i can get an adaptor that will let me play with my xbox one s controller for only like $25 tho

That's like 20% off (iirc the consoles is 300$, individual games are 60$)

[Gamma Emerald]

Well isn't that a beautiful turnout
Also I can't wait to be accused of being orange scum

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: actiondan

YEEHAW

lets GO bois

Why
I don't recall much from this game cos it's been a bit since I've paid attention to it but wasn't I voting you before I voted Creature?

[Gamma Emerald]

My best bet is that there is a Town religion spreader, a Mafia religion spreader who has no win condition involved, and then a Mafia religion spreader who -does- have a win condition for their team involved, or possibly a team of like 2. That would mean that they could spread equally fast to the other two, in fact, and since the other two couldn't coordinate it would be in favor of the two who could. Makes their objective to find and kill the other religion spreaders while still spreading their religion, makes for an interesting mechanic, and is exactly the kind of thing I would expect to see in a Civilization Mafia theme game.

ALSO: Fuck everyone who said I was reaching when I made comparisons to the Prostitute role and the banning silk, not only did the fucking flavor for that ban being enacted mention sex workers, but CREATURE WAS A MAFIA ROLEBLOCKER WHICH IS ALSO CALLED A PROSTITUTE. 10/10 predictions, let's go!

Idk the religion victory condition you described sounds like it would work for a 3p as well.

[Gamma Emerald]

What I'm curious about is who took Varsoon's word for multiball and who told him he was wrong
also interesting is Klazam is very likely spewed not scum with Varsoon

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Almost50 What're the odds I went 4/4? I vote we find out.

idk but I'd love to try

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm liking Kokichi. I don't mind if he were an alternative to Chara as host. Question: How many scum are we assuming is in this game/setup?

Usually 5 is the standard, but could be 4 or 6 depending on powers. It could also be like 13v4v4 if it's multiball, but I don't think Venmar does that to me in my first game under him.

yo

im PRETTY sure this post was before venmars multiball spec. meaning a50 would b the first one to float the idea i thread. i dont like the slot regardless and i think this is a tell of having inside info

almost50? more like most definitely scum

VOTE: almost50

Yee, he was alignment informed you say, makes sense imo
VOTE: Almost50
btw before we get too headstrong we have another host election it seems
HEAL: host: brassherald
HEAL: host: brassherald

[Gamma Emerald]

World Congress

Voting for a Congress Host
(Day 2 - Update 3.0)

On Day 2, all players receive 2 delegates for assignment in the World Congress.
The Host receives an additional 2 delegates, for a total of 4 delegates.

---

Spoiler: Delegates Cast (0)

Spoiler: Delegates Not Cast (36)

Nero Cain (2), Kiana Kaslana (2),

brassherald

(

4

), BuJaber (2), Kokichi Koma (2), Chara (2), Gamma Emerald (2), Klazam (2), Titus (2), Shaziro (2), ActionDan (2), Joey_ (2), pidgey (2), Jodaxq (2), Almost50 (2), marshy (2), ranmaru (2)

NOTES

:

• [*]

  brassherald

  remains Host unless/until a new one is elected
  [*]

  Titus

  was the runner up on Day 1

World Congress

Voting for a Congress Host
(Day 2 - Update 3.0)

Voting for a Congress Host

See?

[Gamma Emerald]

naw, Shaz is too busy active lurking to produce reads.

I kinda agree. I think Gamma is the scum that was sheeping said bad logic.

And this is why you're scum.
VOTE: Nero Cain

[Gamma Emerald]

actually no
VOTE: Almost50
you're not worth my time nero, although

PEdit: I mean I'm not even sure wtf that means, the wording was a bit weird

@Venmar what did you mean by weak in Elbirn's role?

[Gamma Emerald]

Well isn't that a beautiful turnout

Also I can't wait to be accused of being orange scum

You know what.

Why are you specifying orangescum here? does that matter?

Because it's the only team that makes sense, look at who I pushed and who pushed me day 1: I pushed Creature and Dunker, and Dunker pushed me. Do you think I feel my solo game is that on point that I am willing to bus two of my partners day 1? I have some spicy offsite meta I can provide if you need it but for now just know I had to recalibrate my bussing ideologies due to a massive failure I had in a game where I let my bussing go out of control. Creature might have been able to back me up were he still alive (and also town) because he was present for at least one of those.

[Gamma Emerald]

bullshit, you know what a weak modifier is

Yes I do, I've used it in a game you were in in fact! I'm saying since there's no mention of that modifier in the role name and the wording seems a bit quirky I'm not sure if it's the general weak we all know or if it's something else.

[Gamma Emerald]

And this is why you're scum.

I do have an interesting question. It's a bit open-ended though. In light of Dunk flipping scum, how do you feel about your desire to lynch Koki and town read Dunk if Koki had flipped town?

OML THIS IS A NEW LEVEL OF SCUMFUCKERY
Now you're completely taking my post out of context, I believe I said in my post I townread Kokichi anyway and it was just hypotheticals

[Gamma Emerald]

In addition might I point out that

I just pointed out a flaw in everyone's assumptions about the game

. As scum why do I not just let everyone sit with their thumbs up their asses?

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't care how obvscum Nero is I'm not letting the shiny object distract me from the important target of Almost50

[Gamma Emerald]

Also Elbirn was very obviously not targeting Gamma. He basically fucking said that if creature is scum that gamma is scum too and thus he wouldn't protect a scumread would he ?

I mean idk I've seen people use the weak modifier on scumreads, honestly that's kinda the smart way if you ask me.

[Gamma Emerald]

Guys, quick input before I like go write something about money for a client or whatever I'm actually supposed to be doing.

It's multiball for sure.

I'd say there might be domination mafia, science mafia, and cultural mafia.

I think we have 3 scum groups. Someone who is better at math can figure out how many members of each there would be. Maybe one more domination member and two more sciences?

I mean we could have anti-towns for all four victory conditions. I think it's better to just hunt what we know for now. Anything else is a crapshoot imo.

[Gamma Emerald]

And this is why you're scum.

I do have an interesting question. It's a bit open-ended though. In light of Dunk flipping scum, how do you feel about your desire to lynch Koki and town read Dunk if Koki had flipped town?

OML THIS IS A NEW LEVEL OF SCUMFUCKERY
Now you're completely taking my post out of context, I believe I said in my post I townread Kokichi anyway and it was just hypotheticals

Oh and in addition nice fucking spew bro, now I'm 100% certain Koki is at the very least not aligned with you

[Gamma Emerald]

And this is why you're scum.

I do have an interesting question. It's a bit open-ended though. In light of Dunk flipping scum, how do you feel about your desire to lynch Koki and town read Dunk if Koki had flipped town?

Aight let's lynch nero. If he flips scum I'd like to see how many people will STILL defend koki.

VOTE: nero

How about the fact this is also a scum post but very likely not aligned with Nero? As I just said Koki got spewed not aligned with Nero by Nero himself so pushing this implies trying to push bullshit

[Gamma Emerald]

In addition might I point out that

I just pointed out a flaw in everyone's assumptions about the game

. As scum why do I not just let everyone sit with their thumbs up their asses?

which flaw was this? i'm trying to keep up but i may have missed posts just now.

pedit: i mentioned Shazi! :>

I noted that we had a new host election

[Gamma Emerald]

Look, lets figure out one thing at a time, Who do we want in the WC?

We figure this out first and then move on to a lynch discussion.

I would propose Shaziro, but Shaziro being away for totally understandable issues might be an issue.

P-Edit: Nero stop being a douche.

I don't see any problem continuing to have you as the host

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE: Almost50
I think his d2 entry makes a lot of sense. A50 would you mind telling us if Taoism does anything?