Mini Normal 1996: Floral Mafia [Endgame!]

[Havo]

Hello Hello Hello.

Before I RVS vote, let me introduce myself.

I’m a mediocre mafia player at best who really dislikes Day 1s.
I’ve been known to quick hammer peeps on Day 1 if it’s just a day or two
Into the game to get the game moving.

I’m generally quite active and polite. But I have been called terrible town, an idiot and a Liar.
As recently as my last game.

But I’m looking forward to a great game with this player list.

[Havo]

VOTE: implosion

[Havo]

VOTE: Maria

If you were a flower, you’d be a DAMNdelion

@havo why did you change your disclaimer from the last game?

It seemed to cause too much controversy and took away from the RVS stage.
And I like this new one better.

[Havo]

Wow, lots of posts for a Saturday night. Well here anyway.

Good to see.

[Havo]

VOTE: Maria

If you were a flower, you’d be a DAMNdelion

@havo why did you change your disclaimer from the last game?

It seemed to cause too much controversy and took away from the RVS stage.
And I like this new one better.

Did you change this before this game or while you were making your post

I was thinking about not mentioning it at all. But then when I went to post I figured I dial it back a bit.
I think it still gets the point across tho, don’t you?

[Havo]

VOTE: Maria

If you were a flower, you’d be a DAMNdelion

@havo why did you change your disclaimer from the last game?

It seemed to cause too much controversy and took away from the RVS stage.
And I like this new one better.

But you were town last game and didn’t seem to care about controversy. Why now?

I’m just trying to find that balance of getting my point across without derailing Day 1.

Creating controversy isn’t a town thing to do IMO, and even though that was never my intention with that disclaimer, it seemed to do just that with some players. So I think this new one is much better.

[Havo]

Feeling like Harry Potter mash MS version.

Lol. I got lost and left behind in that.

[Havo]

Tunnel away my man.

I'll give you a shovel if you need one?

I was Death tunneled in my last game, I’ve learned a thing or two about how to handle it.

So I can give you some tips if you need them.

But I doubt you would.

[Havo]

I’m about to watch that new Jumanji movie with the fam, so ima be out for the night,

But I like the way this has started.

[Havo]

I’m about to watch that new Jumanji movie with the fam, so ima be out for the night,

But I like the way this has started.

Is that on dvd already?

Don't know about that, watched in on VuDu.

I went in with extremely low expectations, was pleasantly surprised. It entertained me fairly well for an hour and a half,
Keven Hart was quite funny.

[Havo]

Hello Hello Hello.

Before I RVS vote, let me introduce myself.

I’m a mediocre mafia player at best who really dislikes Day 1s.
I’ve been known to quick hammer peeps on Day 1 if it’s just a day or two
Into the game to get the game moving.

I’m generally quite active and polite. But I have been called terrible town, an idiot and a Liar.
As recently as my last game.

But I’m looking forward to a great game with this player list.

Can we not excuse d1 quickhammers

Just because you're terrible doesn't mean you get to bring everyone else down

oh gamma's taking multiple shots. i feel better now lol.

Exactly what does calling people terrible accomplish again? Why not just play with that in mind in stead of making sure everyone knows you think X is trash at the game? Are you the king of mafia? because we need to work as a team instead of degrading multiple people before we get into the actual game.

I can't say exactly what prompted this concern but I'm very concerned Havo might hammer the cop on accident for example

This literally made me LOL.

Don't put the cop at L-1 early game and you won't have to worry about it.

[Havo]

Hello Hello Hello.

Before I RVS vote, let me introduce myself.

I’m a mediocre mafia player at best who really dislikes Day 1s.
I’ve been known to quick hammer peeps on Day 1 if it’s just a day or two
Into the game to get the game moving.

I’m generally quite active and polite. But I have been called terrible town, an idiot and a Liar.
As recently as my last game.

But I’m looking forward to a great game with this player list.

Can we not excuse d1 quickhammers

Just because you're terrible doesn't mean you get to bring everyone else down

oh gamma's taking multiple shots. i feel better now lol.

Exactly what does calling people terrible accomplish again? Why not just play with that in mind in stead of making sure everyone knows you think X is trash at the game? Are you the king of mafia? because we need to work as a team instead of degrading multiple people before we get into the actual game.

I can't say exactly what prompted this concern but I'm very concerned Havo might hammer the cop on accident for example

This literally made me LOL.

Don't put the cop at L-1 early game and you won't have to worry about it.

[Havo]

Damn, double post, don't know how i did that.

[Havo]

Very early Day 1 reads for me -

Katherine - Null
Tchill - Lean Town, familiarity, nothing feels off as of yet
Creature - Null
Ausuka - Towny, makes sense and I like the tone
Gamma - Null I guess, I go back and forth here.
Brass Herald - Very slight town lean here.
Cedrick - Very slight town lean, tone mainly
Mumble - Null, not much to look at
KTS - Leaning Scum here, aggressive scum, false reads maybe
Maria - Town lean here, but a bad gut feeling for some reason
Luca - Null, not a fan of his tunnel vision early
Implosion - Null, slight town maybe

VOTE: KTS

[Havo]

Why even do you dislike day 1 so much? The point of it is to generate information for future days. Cutting it off early ruins that. Your whole philosophy is rather anti-town. I am of the same mindset school teachers have for delinquent students: if you're not gonna learn fine but don't disrupt the learning of others. Substitute interact with learn and you get my stance on how day 1 dislikers should be acting.

I dislike Day 1 on this site, because I've seen a consistent pattern of mass paranoia leading to lynching a townie usually.

Show me someone on this site who can Consistently nail scum on Day 1 at a rate better than 1 out of 4. I'll give that person's

Day 1 opinion much more weight. I can hit scum 1 out of 4 times by literally closing my eyes and picking a number.

Now the argument of revealing info for later use is valid, it CAN be useful down the line, but how often is it really?

I"ve seen so many Day 1 scum reads that are false that it's made me bitter I guess.

Therefore I have no problem with ending it early, if it's like in the first few RL days and I feel like it's another typical Day 1.

However if there's good discussion and I like the feel of the day, OR i Hard town read the push, I won't hammer.

[Havo]

Luca - Null, not a fan of his tunnel vision early

Havo, isn't tunnelling more of a towny action, though? That's actually why I'm thinking townier.

I would agree, but what struck me was his immediate tunnel vision on Tchill. LIke right from the Go.

I need more content from him, we'll see how it develops.

[Havo]

Havo I'm interested in your reads no me Tchill and Luca, what informs them?

Tchill is meta I guess you could say, I've played with him several times and am comfortable with his town game.

with Luca I recently played a game with him where he was town and his play seemed more even keeled than what he's done here.
Makes me think he could be aggressive scum, but it's very early and it could be nothing.

You, I'm not sure about, I like a lot of the points you make and some I don't. I don't want to get into a long debate about certain things EARLY game if that makes sense, I'd rather let them unfold naturally.

I do much better with reads with more content, I rarely do a reads list on Day 1 at all because it usually looks like what I posted, a slight TR or two and a lot of Nulls, I don't put a lot of stock in my very early reads either. Nor anyone else's tBH.

[Havo]

i now clearly remember why i originally left this site.

LOL

[Havo]

I’m about to watch that new Jumanji movie with the fam, so ima be out for the night,

But I like the way this has started.

Is that on dvd already?

Don't know about that, watched in on VuDu.

I went in with extremely low expectations, was pleasantly surprised. It entertained me fairly well for an hour and a half,
Keven Hart was quite funny.

Whats VuDu and how do I watch it?

It’s simi to Netflix. Comes pre-loaded on some smart TVs and DVD players. Also an App. You have to sign up for an account then rent or purchase the movies you want.
My wife was using her brothers account and he had bought it. Not sure on the cost.

[Havo]

Mumble has 1post and Katherine has 7.
Would like to see more from those slots

[Havo]

Are you asking for people who can find 1 scum out of a team or who can name the team day 1? Because I have lucky moments with the latter but can generally do the former. Again, just because day one scumreads are false doesn't mean they can't be reconsidered down the line.

I'm saying find any scum Day 1 more than 23% of the time. Basically 1 out of 4.Because in a 13 player mini, there's usually 3 scum, that's 23 percent of the player list. RNG can pick 1 out of 4, show me someone who can find scum 1 out of 3, CONSISTENTLY, I have yet to see it on this site. I'll give that players Day 1 reads more respect.You say you can generally do the former, well here's your chance to show me. This game would be a perfect time.

[Havo]

katherine wagon formation always hit a villager.

Are you saying scum are always active early Day 1?

[Havo]

scummy mumble pop in

I’ve seen Mumble do this as both town and scum.
I hoping his activity will pick up after the weekend, but I’m not counting on it.

[Havo]

katherine wagon formation always hit a villager.

Are you saying scum are always active early Day 1?

no.

Well then why can’t Katherine be scum here?

[Havo]

As much as I hated to see that long wall post from KTS, I’m starting to come around to more of a town read on his slot.
And I think Katherine is more likely town now that she has posted more.

Really hate Mumbles vote park, I could easily vote there for today.

I still get a weird feeling from Maria for some reason but not sure it’s AI.

The more Implosion posts the less I like what he says or maybe what he doesn’t say.

[Havo]

VOTE: implosion

I think this is good for now.

[Havo]

Luca - Null, not a fan of his tunnel vision early

Havo, isn't tunnelling more of a towny action, though? That's actually why I'm thinking townier.

I would agree, but what struck me was his immediate tunnel vision on Tchill. LIke right from the Go.

I need more content from him, we'll see how it develops.

i'm confused. tunneling is fine but because he did it on tchill specifically it's not?

Has nothing to do with who he’s targeting,

Tunneling is usually town, yes,
But my cause for concern with Luca is I just finished a game with him where he showed no signs of this,
And then his ENTRANCE to this game is a tunnel. I think tunneling shows a lack of open mindedness or a stubborn
Rigidity that he came no where close to showing last game. He was much more even keeled.

I didn’t say I scum read him for it. Just noticed it and it gave me some concern. I expect it to play out.

[Havo]

Me either.

I think Mumbles is just taunting certain people now. Lol.

[Havo]

Killthestory seems to love to be the center of attention. I feel like he's too obvious of a choice to be mafia. Maybe it's WIFOM, but he's not blending in with everyone at all, so I'll put him in the probably town category and just label him as the person most likely to secretly be Chumba.

lolpls I don't think those two are the same people at all, they're both very aggro but their way of speaking is different. I recall Robb uses t/s and as you can see kts uses v/w

Lol. Yeah they aren’t. Trust me on this.

But you never know what might pop up.

Just saying......

[Havo]

[quote="In post 458

implo/cedrick/?[/quote]

Your thoughts on Luca in that last spot?

[Havo]

[quote="In post 458

implo/cedrick/?

Your thoughts on Luca in that last spot?[/quote]

Operator error. Damn iPad.

[Havo]

[quote="In post 590,
396 - Havo, you're over-emphasising my

'tunneling

' this game - it was a few pages in, and by the time you made this post I had already flipped my read on Tchill, which you fail to acknowledge or take into account.[/quote]

I disagree, I merely stated it was cause for concern. I said it would probably play out. I didn’t even bother voting you for it.

[quote="In post 590
487 - Havo randomly throwing shade on me?
[/quote]

I’m asking Gamma his opinion on the chance of you being a possible candidate for his 3rd scum read. How is that “Random” after I had already stated I had concerns about your slot? And how is that throwing shade at you?

And it looks like I was so concerned here, that after Gamma ignored my question, I didn’t bother asking him again.

[Havo]

Okay I’m doing I the normal way from now on.

[Havo]

This Implosion wagon is terrible, and Havo is the one who looks worst on it imo.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Havo

Can you show me where Implosion has been such obvious town that he’s above having some pressure applied to him?

[Havo]

@Luca,

I was waiting for you to return to the thread and post more. I expected you would move away from tunneling and more into an even minded position. Which you have for the most part. But your argument against me seems very fabricated and almost forced. I hope you’re town, because I like town Luca. But right now I’m not feeling it.

You accused me of an over reaction, but honestly you seem to be the one over reacting to the smallest of pressure.

[Havo]

@ Gamma,

487

[Havo]

Was asking your opinion about Luca being your 3rd.

[Havo]

[quote="In post 458

implo/cedrick/?

Your thoughts on Luca in that last spot?

I mean it's possible he hasn't done anything to significantly strike me as towny but I'm not sure why you scumread him? Just give me the initial case you had at the beginning please.[/quote]

I never scum read him. Had simply noticed his tunnel entrance. Was basically just asking your opinion on him.
I disagree with him that I over emphasized his entrance. Before his recent return to the thread today, he hadn’t done anything for me to town read him.

[Havo]

This Implosion wagon is terrible, and Havo is the one who looks worst on it imo.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Havo

Can you show me where Implosion has been such obvious town that he’s above having some pressure applied to him?

No-one is above pressure, but the wagon was on the verge of L-1 literally based on nothing - I don't think anyone gave any decent reasoning. What sort of pressure is running someone up to L-1 in such a manner? What are they supposed to respond to exactly?

You had Implosion as slightly Town early on but then conveniently switched when the tide turned with the reasoning

"The more Implosion posts the less I like what he says or maybe what he doesn’t say"

which is just BS, unless you care to elaborate a bit on it?

@Luca,

I was waiting for you to return to the thread and post more. I expected you would move away from tunneling and more into an even minded position. Which you have for the most part. But your argument against me seems very fabricated and almost forced. I hope you’re town, because I like town Luca. But right now I’m not feeling it.

You accused me of an over reaction, but honestly you seem to be the one over reacting to the smallest of pressure.

I was catching up and you weren't voting me, so it's hardly 'pressure'. I had already stopped 'tunnelling' at that point, which is why I brought it up - I wasn't sure why you were continuing that narrative when I'd not only stopped 'tunnelling' Tchill, but had actually begun to townread him.

I had Implosion as slightly town early yes, but he had begun to get votes and hadn’t come back and said anything to make me town read him. So I was fine to watch his reactions as the votes piled up. And he still hasn’t responded in anyway to make me think he’s town.

[Havo]

Ah. Also your issue with the broken posts is a deleted right side of the opening quote tag.

Thanks. Trying to edit quotes is a pain on an iPad for me.

So I’m probably unfortunately just gonna do complete wall posts. Anytime on it. Which is most of the time.

[Havo]

I had Implosion as slightly town early yes, but he had begun to get votes and hadn’t come back and said anything to make me town read him. So I was fine to watch his reactions as the votes piled up. And he still hasn’t responded in anyway to make me think he’s town.

This doesn't match up with your reasoning:

"The more Implosion posts the less I like what he says or maybe what he doesn’t say"

What did he post that you didn't like?

He didn’t post anything that I DID like. That was my issue.

Also I get reads a lot and ESP on Day 1 by watching reactions as votes pile up on players.

Even if the argument is weak, the way a player responds can be very telling IMO.

[Havo]

I try to get Town reads much more than scum reads early on.

So I look for people to say things that strike me as towny.

I haven’t seen it yet from Implosion during this wagon.

In fact IMO he’s been pretty absent.

[Havo]

So what was your early townread on him based on, then?

78 and 84.

And if you will notice, I called him “slight town MAYBE”

[Havo]

Cedrick

- slight town lean

Tchill13

- slight town lean

Creature

- town

Ausuka

- slight scum lean

Gamma Emerald

- slight town lean

brassherald

- slight town lean

Havo

- scum lean

Mumble

- null

Killthestory

- slight scum lean

katherine

- null

MariaR

- slight scum lean

implosion

- town lean

How much experience do you have with Ausuka?

Because I was TRing that slot a fair bit and I’m not really agreeing with your points against them.

[Havo]

[quote="In [url=viewtopic.php?p=10019994#p10019994]

336 - Ausuka is misrepping me a bit here - the momentum on Tchill dying down had no bearing on my Katherine vote (I clearly stated my reasons for flipping my read on Tchill). Why does it matter that I didn't scumread Katherine before that post? She had barely any content up until that point - hence '

decent bet

' rather than anything concrete to pin her as scum. Ausuka's comment that

'I don't think scum would vote me here'

is odd as well - I don't see her as well townread as she seems to believe, and it's not as if scum would only target popular wagons anyway.

tbc[/quote]

I don’t think scum would vote her there. Makes sense to me. I don’t see it as odd. Makes me think you’re pushing or forcing that comment. And I do believe she was being mostly TR at that point.

[Havo]

So what was your early townread on him based on, then?

78 and 84.

And if you will notice, I called him “slight town MAYBE”

Right, I don't get why you're '

slight'

townreading those posts?

78 is literally just him saying

"god dammit people"

, and 84 is one of his worst this game, in my opinion.

I don't get how you

'like

' those posts but don't like anything else he's posted? That somehow doesn't feel genuine to me.

78 is a town entrance IMO. I see it as a genuine thought or reaction.
I would expect scum to be just a bit more calculated there.

84 he’s spitting out evaluations of posts I agree with or at least can see the viewpoints
They don’t feel forced to me.

[Havo]

I’m being completely genuine. So I don’t see from my perspective how anyone could argue that I’m not.

So I see anyone arguing that case as just a wee bit suspicious, ya know?

[Havo]

So what was your early townread on him based on, then?

78 and 84.

And if you will notice, I called him “slight town MAYBE”

Right, I don't get why you're '

slight'

townreading those posts?

78 is literally just him saying

"god dammit people"

, and 84 is one of his worst this game, in my opinion.

I don't get how you

'like

' those posts but don't like anything else he's posted? That somehow doesn't feel genuine to me.

78 is a town entrance IMO. I see it as a genuine thought or reaction.
I would expect scum to be just a bit more calculated there.

84 he’s spitting out evaluations of posts I agree with or at least can see the viewpoints
They don’t feel forced to me.

Ok, but the part I'm having trouble believing is that after giving implosion a generous slight townread based on those two posts, you now claim not to have liked anything he's posted since.

Fair enough point.

The first few posts by any player in any game usually causes a gut reaction for me. One way or the other.
Implosions first few posts caused me to gut town him slightly.

Since he started getting votes, I haven’t seen what I would like to see out of him to cause me to townread him. It’s just that simple. But like I said before. I don’t halfway trust my own Day 1 reads. I could easily be wrong here.

I’m willing to pump the brakes.

Let me ask you this, and please answer. Are you town?

[Havo]

somebody tell me the difference in mumble, katherine and havo. the difference that makes havo scum but the other two town.

First off Katherine is a townread, but Havo has also been very active and engaged while Mumble hasn't, and Katherine has been engaged but not active.

You left out the part about why I’m scum.

[Havo]

Okay I’m doing I the normal way from now on.

you're just struggling lol.

Yeah I don’t think tablets were made for interacting with this site.
Great for viewing, not so much for posting.

[Havo]

@Luca,

This is why I agreed with Ausukas point about “she didn’t believe scum would vote her there”

personally I find voting people most people aren't willing to vote/lynch as difficult pushes.

[Havo]

Yay I edited a post correctly. There’s hope for me yet.

[Havo]

I’m being completely genuine. So I don’t see from my perspective how anyone could argue that I’m not.

So I see anyone arguing that case as just a wee bit suspicious, ya know?

This however is
Why do you think that town can't mistakenly think you're not being genuine?

Because that’s a basic cornerstone tactic to push a scum read. So when someone says you’re not being genuine and I know I am, it makes me think there’s an alterior motive involved. From my point of view.

But I concede your point. You are correct, town can be wrong on that.

[Havo]

I don't really get the Havo votes on page 25. On that page I can only see playstyle-related things.

you don't understand the process of pressuring somebody?

I was under the impression the votes were because Havo was being scummy? I mean even if it's pressure you still pressure the person you think is scummy right?

Well yeah. Havo is kind of scummy. Hence the need to pressure him. I question anyone who is able to town read him cause I don’t see much town AI stuf

“Kind of scummy”. Care to elaborate on what you see from me that’s kind of scummy?

[Havo]

Meh, sorta skeptical doing Havo because he said he had bad day 1s.

Ah yes, gotta love Day 1s.

Here we have another typical Day 1on MS to me.

[Havo]

Meh, sorta skeptical doing Havo because he said he had bad day 1s.

Ah yes, gotta love Day 1s.

Here we have another typical Day 1on MS to me.

Well I'll send you this as my picks for scum today: implosion, TChill, mumble. If one of those flips scum you have to keep a more open mind for day 1 in the future.

Well I don’t think that’s a bad list at all.

My mind is completely open right now.

But there’s been heavy resistance to all of those.

[Havo]

As much as I hated to see that long wall post from KTS, I’m starting to come around to more of a town read on his slot.
And I think Katherine is more likely town now that she has posted more.

Really hate Mumbles vote park, I could easily vote there for today.

I still get a weird feeling from Maria for some reason but not sure it’s AI.

The more Implosion posts the less I like what he says or maybe what he doesn’t say.

VOTE: implosion

I think this is good for now.

I'm failing to see how implosion is scummier than KTS atm. Of course this is after KTS has changed his style of play and is now way more passive. Given that information do you still think KTS is more likely to be town than implosion? Atm.

I’m not saying Implosion is scummier.

My vote is on Implosion because I wanted to sort that slot. I wanted to see his reaction at L-3, L-2 and maybe even L-1. To get a better read on him. Then if I leaned town I would unvote.

KTS is an enigma to me currently. He came in making a lot of noise and when he starting getting back what he was dishing out he whined and rolled over. I could easily see him flipping scum. And would vote there if I felt like it.

Let me check something.

[Havo]

Kind of scummy”. Care to elaborate on what you see from me that’s kind of scummy?

For starters the thing I’ve mentioned about you changing the wording of your disclaimer.

The thing where you seemed to take issue with luca’s “tunneling” because your words say it was for tunneling tchill and not tunneling in general. Your response to me I didn’t really agree with and in looking back he wasn’t even tunneling. As I’m now aware the game has only been on for 3 days and he wasn’t pushing for that long so there was no tunneling.

I also don’t really see anything I’d see as scum hunting. You kind of just exsist and the couple of votes you have failed to have any substance to support them. Your kts vote was basically the stuff I was calling out early game. The implosion vote came after a couple other which looks opportunistic plus you didn’t have any real reasons for it, just you disliked his posts which is vague.

Skimming your iso again, I don’t see anything from you that says omg this is town which is a red flag for me given the game state.

First off I explained the tunnel thing. Everyone else is blowing that out of proportion IMO.
What part of “just noticed and cause for concern” don’t you understand?
I NEVER EVEN voted him for that.

When do I ever scum hunt on Day 1? Oh yeah, last time I tried sorting my Day 1 scum read I was Death tunneled for it. By a player who convinced himself I was lying when I wasn’t. It led to me eventually self hammering as town to resolve the tunnel to give town a chance to win. And funny enough the same guy blew the game in LYLO when he scum read the one guy everybody and their grandmother was hard town reading.

I explained my Implosion vote. Was absolutely no different than your vote on me.

[Havo]

"getting back what i dished out" uh ok lol. i dont think ive been mean to anyone this game but cedrick which i apologized for, but you know, you keep doing you, man. be the hero we definitely need.

You are entitled to your opinion. I respect that. Just calling it like I saw it.
And yes you apologized. Was seriously a stand up move, was nice to see.
I have no issue at all with you.

[Havo]

oh, there was a mean remark. guess i only got one strike left before i turn from villain to scum of the earth

Who’s your top town read and who’s your top scum read at this point?

[Havo]

Just cause you can explain things or claim you have reasons for things doesn’t mean I am going to agree with ir believe you. That’s what I found scummy. That’s what you asked me for.

You are correct. I just wanted to try and clarify why I did those things.

If you don’t believe me then I don’t know what I can do to convince you.

[Havo]

As much as I hated to see that long wall post from KTS, I’m starting to come around to more of a town read on his slot.
And I think Katherine is more likely town now that she has posted more.

Really hate Mumbles vote park, I could easily vote there for today.

I still get a weird feeling from Maria for some reason but not sure it’s AI.

The more Implosion posts the less I like what he says or maybe what he doesn’t say.

VOTE: implosion

I think this is good for now.

I'm failing to see how implosion is scummier than KTS atm. Of course this is after KTS has changed his style of play and is now way more passive. Given that information do you still think KTS is more likely to be town than implosion? Atm.

@havo I'd like an answer to this eventually but you deal with the onslaught that's about to occur and come back to it lol.

I answered you in 743

[Havo]

it explains exactly the type of player you are when you consider self hammering helping town.

Yep. I’ll be the first one to admit I’m not very good. 8

But I like playing and I’m trying to get better.

[Havo]

VOTE: Mumble

Screw it. I’m Down with a Mumbles Lynch

[Havo]

Thinking about it, there has been a fair bit of resistance to Havo's wagon in general - Aukusa, implosion and Tchill have all spoken out against it, from what I recall.

I didn't really feel such resistance from the other wagons.

I think there’s been other resistance to wagons. But ......
what do you think is the most likely reason for resistance to my lynch?
Say... name three.

[Havo]

Well if we're playing against good scum it doesn't matter what we do.

The fact that we’re 35 pages in and this town can’t agree on what color the sky is much less agree on who to lynch, tells me that the scum team is good and we also have some stubborn townies in this game.

[Havo]

Good call on not lynching mumble guys.

Katherine and mumble have provided great catch up's.

Almost as good as yours and havo’s

My catch up was great. Oh wait. I didn’t provide one cause I haven’t needed too.

[Havo]

@KTS.

on a scale of 1/10. How scummy is Luca for you?

[Havo]

Tchill13 = Robbnva/Derpy Hooves/Jake from State Farm?

Tchill is Robbnva?

LMAO.

No, no, no,

It’s quite obvious you guys couldn’t recognize a rob alt if you were playing with one.

[Havo]

Is it more likely Luca or mumble is scum here?

I’ve tried very hard to make Luca fit into my town box but I haven’t been able to do it.

I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he flipped red. But I wouldn’t be surprised either if Mumble flipped red as well.

[Havo]

It’s quite obvious you guys couldn’t recognize a rob alt if you were playing with one.

you can't either

Do you really want to go down that road?

Lets just worry about the game shall we?

[Havo]

VOTE: Implosion

So why did this wagon die?

Iirc Luca was the main catalyst.

[Havo]

Current scumpool is (Implosion/Luca/Cedrick/Mumble/Tchill). Can someone towncase one of them.

Idk why mumble is in your scum pool. It's clear why we haven't lynched him if you go back and look at the last few pages.

I don't get what you mean that you don't know why?
He's neutral for me. Given enough townreads, that puts him into a scumpool.

Not trying to answer for tchill, but I believe what he said was sarcasm. He’s been pushing a mumble lynch for awhile.

[Havo]

VOTE: implosion

[Havo]

Well, surprised to see KTS was the target. I saw him as a decent mislynch candidate so didn’t expect him to be killed.

I guess that’s why though.

I find it interesting we had 2 claims and neither were killed. Worth noting.

I want to hear from Mumbles before I get too involved in analyzing what has happened. He could have info since he claimed.

[Havo]

I highly suggest EVERYONE put on your t-shirt that says ......

THERE IS NO I IN TEAM.

And let’s see if we can work together please. Instead of digressing into various pissing contests.

[Havo]

I couldn't be killed - town commuter can't be targeted by anyone at night.

LOL. That’s a good answer.

[Havo]

@Luca,

So you didn’t commute?

[Havo]

Spoiler:

katherine (5): MariaR, implosion, Tchill13, Luca Blight, Mumble

implosion (5): Creature, MariaR, Havo, Mumble, Tchill13

Mumble (5): Ausuka, Killthestory, Tchill13, Cedrick, implosion

Mumble (5): Tchill13, implosion, Havo, Gamma Emerald, Cedrick
Ausuka (3): katherine, Creature, Luca Blight

implosion (7): Hopkirk, Creature, Gamma Emerald, Havo, Mumble, Killthestory, Luca Blight

Luca Blight (5): Ausuka, MariaR, katherine, Tchill13, implosion

now I suck at vca but right now I want to say scum is probably one of asuka or tchill if not both.

luca can be town, sadly hopkirk you don't get any town points for being on the wagon but you do get a reprieve from day 2 lynch because you didn't really do anything to make it happen and you weren't on the first wagon.

VOTE: asuka

this is the best chance of a scum flip imo.

p.edit - it literally has nothing to do about that.

What do you think about Tchill flipping to Luca?

How is ausuka more scummy than Tchills flip?

[Havo]

Is there an easy way to look back through the prior mini game history and check set ups?

Because the way I was trying to do it is a pain in the arse.

Curious as to wharf most mini’s look like that contain a mafia strongman.

[Havo]

Did that already myself. Here - viewtopic.php?p=8411375#p8411375

There have been full commuters, limited commuters, and even mafia commuters.

Thanks. That’s much easier than what I was doing.

[Havo]

I found scum d1

Yes. You found scum yet never gave a single reason why he was scum. You also made a couple of posts that imply you weren’t even that sure. You called him scum and voted gamma. You were voting him but said you would vote me.

Sorry. You did nothing to find implosion. You did nothing to help a wagon happen, you didn’t even seem committed to it.
M
You get no town credit from me since you did nothing but vote Park which could easily be scum who didn’t realize a wagon was going to actually happen.

Hopkirk. Quote the reasons you gave for implosion being scum. If you want to take credit for it which you’ve now done twice, surely you helped it happen

Can we not excuse d1 quickhammers

I won’t be. Disclaimer or not I’ll be pushing a lynch on anyone who quick hammers without a claim. Unless it’s a scum flip,

I’ll reward bad play if it benefits town.

[Havo]

Not much rewarding going on there.

[Havo]

Hop is practically lock town.

[Havo]

Hop is practically lock town.

Why?

Because IMO there’s no way scum vote parks on what’s probably their only PR or at least a solid PR and then doesn’t try to get off it later. Buying town cred by killing a team PR like that doesn’t make sense to me. He had plenty of time to get off that wagon.

Plus he’s been engaging and trying to develop reads IMO.

[Havo]

I didn't need to give reasons for it since it started up again without needing to.

You should have still given reasons. Lack of reasons is why I can’t give you town credit for being on it.

So what you said about rewarding bad town play was ......

Wait for it ..........

A LIE?

[Havo]

@Gamma.

Right now who’s your top scum read?
If you don’t mind saying.

[Havo]

Looking at the games again. The last commuter without any limitations for town was 2015 and the review groups are definitely stricter now. Still think he’s town for now. I have never seen a day 1 wagon and counter wagon both on scum. Not saying it’s not possible cause it certainly is but I’m not there yet.

Here’s the question.

Would Scum Luca not take a bullet for the scum team and let Implosion live, who’s the Strongman?

Or does Scum Luca’s role outweigh Strongman?

I’ve had a terrible time putting Luca in my town group, but I tend to think Scum Luca would sacrifice himself in that situation.

But I could be wrong of course.

[Havo]

What can be more powerful than strongman?

It was One Shot tho, wasn’t it?

So IDK.

[Havo]

Yeah idk. For today though he’s still town to me. Osuka/tchill/hop are my current reads.

I wanna hear what Mumble has to say and see if he has any info for us
Before I decide where to vote.

I want to discuss those reads with you also.

[Havo]

I’ve never played with scum Tchill, but I know his scum game is better than this.

[Havo]

I’ve never played with scum Tchill, but I know his scum game is better than this.

Wait I have played with scum Tchill once.

Yeah I very comfortable with being able to read Tchill and right now I just don’t see it.
But I’m wrong just a little less than I’m right. So .......

[Havo]

@Cedrick,

Can you go ahead and explain why the KTS death basically clears you in your opinion?
I know you said it was kinda goofy but I’d still like to hear it.

I think there’s something wonky going on anyway in this game and I can’t put my finger on it.

[Havo]

Most of the people I’m town reading or town leaning are FOSing Ausuka and Tchill but I’m not really seeing it.

[Havo]

It’s been 4 and a half days since Katherine has posted.

I mean, how are we supposed to play with someone who’s not here?

[Havo]

If scum bussed implo I think the team is {Havo, Gamma}
If they didn't I think it's {Maria, katherine}

This is where I’m leaning.

I’m just about Locktown on Gamma.

[Havo]

Also, you're welcome.

What was this in reference too?

[Havo]

If scum bussed implo I think the team is {Havo, Gamma}
If they didn't I think it's {Maria, katherine}

This is where I’m leaning.

I’m just about Locktown on Gamma.

You’re agreeing with his theory that you can be scum?

Seriously?

Of course not. The bottom 2. I didn’t think I’d have to say that.

[Havo]

Most of the people I’m town reading or town leaning are FOSing Ausuka and Tchill but I’m not really seeing it.

Then you aren’t trying to find scum. If you look for scum on the Luca wagon those are the 2 that stand out the most to me and apparently others.

If it’s not those 2, convince me it’s the other 2

Nice to see how much you’re willing to work with others.

What part of me asking questions and you specifically for reasons is me not scum hunting?

Dude, not everyone does it your way.

How many times has that got to be pointed out to you?

[Havo]

@Cedrick,

What’s your read on Creature?

[Havo]

the part I can't past is when mumble voted implosion, asukua told him not to do that despite implosion being one of his scum reads. That really stands out to me, Asukus clearly didn't want implosion lynched.

I’ll go back and re read that. I have no recollection of that and it should have at least got my attention.

I might have been zoned in on something else at that time.

I definitely think scum is on the Luca wagon.

Thanks for throwing that out there.

[Havo]

444
This is where she asks Mumble not to vote Implosion

446
Then immediately she gives this read list

491
Then explains that read list here
And clearly states that Implosion could go either way.

So yeah, that’s a red flag. Why be so concerned about Mumble voting Implosion, is she thinks he could go either way?

I was giving that slot too much credit based on early posts that I liked the tone and feel of.

[Havo]

@ the Mod,

Can we get a prod for Katherine?

[Havo]

Okay this is where I’m at.

Town - Mumble - obvious
- Gamma - strong read
- Luca - after much consternation I have reasoned that he is what he claims.
- Hopkirk - strong read.

Lean Town - Creature - mainly because my TRs have him as town
- Cedrick - I feel like I have a pretty good read here.
- Tchill - I know this one is controversial, but I feel like I have a decent read here and I believe his scum game is much better than what he has played.

So that leaves me a scum pool of MariaR, Ausuka and Katherine via POE. I don’t particularly scum read anyone, but I will be ISOing them today.

[Havo]

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz............

[Havo]

VOTE: maria

I can understand the push on Tchill, I’m just not buying as of now.

[Havo]

The fact everyone has this same lynch pool should be a giant red sign and maybe I'm blind but considering I have big tr's on 2/3 of the lynch pool minus myself this is a big "uh oh this is gonna go bad"
So go on and lynch me if it will wake everyone up and say "hey look you're incorrect focus else where"

Hell maybe not even Auska is scum because if everyone is agreeing with the same lynch pool it means scum are content with said lynch pool
VOTE: Havo
I'll vote here for now
This ced maybe Luca aus for scum

Or maybe it means that lynch pool is correct.

So basically by switching your vote, you’re now saying you have no idea who scum is?
After you were begging for town to vote for you or Ausuka.
Well, that’s what town started doing. You should be happy instead of revolting.

[Havo]

I don’t understand why Maria is saying to lynch her. It’s really weird. I don’t have an issue with a havo lynch but the evidence points to tchill and there’s resistance to it which means something to me. If tchill was town and being treated like a scapegoat he’d be lynched already.

I’m staying with a tchill wagon. Hopefully others come around on it. I don’t trust havo’s and maria’s meta town read on tchill because game related evidence trumps meta.

I feel like Maria’s gambit was more of a ploy than anything else. And her switching her vote and her stance After her wagon began to pick up steam only strengthens my opinion.

I understand your viewpoint on Tchill I just disagree based on my ability to read him. I could be wrong sure but I don’t think I am. You could be wrong but you don’t think you are. So it’s up to the rest to decide that.
I think Maria could be scum here hard TRing Tchill for town cred when he flips. I guess someone could make the same argument against me, but I have no problems with town lynching Tchill if they choose too. The games about choices.

[Havo]

This is another reason I suspect tchill. I can't believe he has never seen somebody make that kind of comment before. It's so common on this site now, almost every game somebody tells the "vig" to shoot somebody. Tchill actually thinking mafia took that as a vig claim is weird to me.

im saying mafia didn't have a particular reason to kill anyone and thought "might as well take a chance on this". Sarcasm isn't always sarcasm on here. Very easy to fake sarcasm and get away with it.

I’ll be really interested in finding out post game why he was killed. If it really was for that I’ll laugh.

Me too. I think it’s very possible. But it usually turns out to be something weird.

[Havo]

I understand your viewpoint on Tchill I just disagree based on my ability to read him. I could be wrong sure but I don’t think I am. You could be wrong but you don’t think you are. So it’s up to the rest to decide that.

I wish I had time to meta him. I just get the feeling he’s capable of more than what we’ve seen here but I don’t really have much to base that on. His pushes have been easy targets which always raises red flags.

Yeah, see, if he were scum, he’d be much more on point.

[Havo]

Who was his final scum reads?

He seemed to be on Luca before voting Implosion. But I didn’t see anything solid from a quick look at his ISO.

[Havo]

@Cedrick,

What do you think of Mumbles defense of Tchill?

[Havo]

You played with him as scum? Can I get a link to some scum games?

Once. I’ll try. I should be able to figure out how to link it.

[Havo]

You played with him as scum? Can I get a link to some scum games?

Mini normal 1952.

[Havo]

Stahp
Maria is town

But why?

I don't really see anything super-scum-motivated there
It's kinda a meta/gut read but I still believe in it, it feels right

So this is the problem with the whole game. Where is the scum?

I personally don’t like Maria’s reaction to her getting votes after asking for them.

[Havo]

I can't provide factual evidence. All I can do is tell you why I played the end of day 1 the way I did.

Also I'm better than this as scum. You can meta me if you want. If not fine. Flavor should be able to confirm this though.

If I was scum a claim would have been killed. Either mumble or Luca. No way a hard claim doesn't get NK'D over a sarcastic KTS vig comment.

Luca didn't claim d1 nice try. Plus kts wanted your head, that's reason enough to kill him.

1107

Luca did claim Day 1. Right when he hammered.

[Havo]

[quote="In [url=viewtopic.php?p=10049231#p10049231]

viewtopic.php?p=10016503#p10016503
I am someone who can consistently lynch scum more than 25% of the time. Nice to meet you.[/quote]

Cool. You’d be the first, just link me to your main so I can check if you don’t mind.

[Havo]

Those who aren't voting should start doing so.

I agree.

[Havo]

I'll lynch luca over tchi but much rather vote havo

Havo

isn't getting lynched he's town ffs

Fixed your post for ya.

[Havo]

Damn u guys. You wait til I finally forced myself to accept Lucas claim and then pull this?

VOTE: Luca

Yes I’m down with this. Will resolve a few things.

[Havo]

VOTE: Havo

Because........?

[Havo]

Hmm. The Maria NK is very, very sketchy.

What’s sketchy about it?

The fact that she was a good ML candidate for today and scum killed her anyway?

They only narrowed my pool down for me.

It went from Maria, Kath/Kook, Ausuka to

Ausuka, Kook

[Havo]

VOTE: Havo

Why would you vote blind out of the gate?

These kind of votes always make me think you learned something last night thus the vote.
And since I know I’m town, makes me feel like you’re wanting to give that appearance maybe.

Why not wait to see if any info comes out? Like does Mumble have anything?

[Havo]

VOTE: Havo

Because........?

Maria is a really, really, really, really weird and strange kill coming from any scumteam that doesn't include Havo.
I also think this is a Boon kill.

Why would I kill Maria, when I was FOSing her?

[Havo]

Hmm. The Maria NK is very, very sketchy.

What’s sketchy about it?

The fact that she was a good ML candidate for today and scum killed her anyway?

They only narrowed my pool down for me.

It went from Maria, Kath/Kook, Ausuka to

Ausuka, Kook

I had you as lock town before I saw this. I should not be in your pool. Still probably town.

VOTE: Tchill

Honestly, if you don't lynch this today you shouldn't be playing mafia.

Yeah, I understand that viewpoint.

[Havo]

oh NO someone claimed 2-shot TRACKER with no other TRACKER in the game???? that CAN'T be scum EVER!

There's conditions where I would distrust it but for now I'm not

I agree completely with this.

[Havo]

@Gamma - I keep looking through your ISO, and I can’t really explain why i think you’re scum. Mainly I just don’t think you’re town

I feel this is a classic “doesn’t matter if you know I’m scum if you can’t get me lynched” scenario.

You’re gonna have to try harder.

[Havo]

"Well the competing wagons will be good for future day phases."

He literally encourages the Implo wagon here.

Literally the only thing even coming close to derailing the Implo wagon is "If you're on a different wagon I'd love for you to switch to either Luca or mumble." and if his intention is to derail the wagon here I'm not sure why he jumps on implo thirty posts later. Also if you're trying to derail a wagon I think you generally do a LOT more than that.

This is weak as hell mate. He jumps on Implosion for under a page. He tried to make the competing wagons Luca and Mumble and then Mumble PR'd him. Stop giving these garbage replies full of wifom around him, it's annoying me. Flavour, if you're town you should know his other major push Katherine is also town. This slot is scum

And when he flips town what are you gonna say? Because he’ll flip town.

[Havo]

"Well the competing wagons will be good for future day phases."

He literally encourages the Implo wagon here.

Literally the only thing even coming close to derailing the Implo wagon is "If you're on a different wagon I'd love for you to switch to either Luca or mumble." and if his intention is to derail the wagon here I'm not sure why he jumps on implo thirty posts later. Also if you're trying to derail a wagon I think you generally do a LOT more than that.

This is weak as hell mate. He jumps on Implosion for under a page. He tried to make the competing wagons Luca and Mumble and then Mumble PR'd him. Stop giving these garbage replies full of wifom around him, it's annoying me. Flavour, if you're town you should know his other major push Katherine is also town. This slot is scum

And when he flips town what are you gonna say? Because he’ll flip town.

Lol, it’s Havo and Gamma.

Nah, more like you and Kook. Lol.

[Havo]

Has Havo done anything town?

Yes, I have.

Have you?

[Havo]

Has Havo done anything town?

Yes I have.

Have you?

[Havo]

Stop. We are doing Tchill and he can pick if we do flavour or asuka tomorrow if he towns.

Like you would follow through with it. lol.

Town never follows through on that kinda stuff.

[Havo]

And even if Gamma is town, I can still see Tchill as town, so that’s my issue with a Ausuka scum. Their play just doesn’t make sense in my head as scum no matter which way I look at it when you look down to agendas.

I love this bullshit fucking excuse. "Oh this whole thing hinges on a Gamma scum read, but even if he's town it doesn't matter I'll still believe these same terrible associatives". He's just trying to BS a mislynch on me.
VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Here's the real question,

Are you voting him just because he's pushing you? Or do you really think he's scum?

Remove yourself from it.

[Havo]

@Luca for future reference: I almost always sleep between the hours of 11pm and 7am GMT. I cannot unvote during those times under any circumstances. If you waited for me to wake up before self-hammering, I actually could have read the thirty odd posts you made and hopefully spoken to you directly.

Properly read until end of I think 86. Stopping for rougly 20 mins then reading more.

Hmm. The Maria NK is very, very sketchy.

What’s sketchy about it?

The fact that she was a good ML candidate for today and scum killed her anyway?

They only narrowed my pool down for me.

It went from Maria, Kath/Kook, Ausuka to

Ausuka, Kook

Kook replaced Cedrick not Katherine.

Yes, thanks for that.

So it's Ausuka, Flavor.

left in my scumpool.

I will admit though, that Ausukas postings of late have sound much more towny to me.

[Havo]

And even if Gamma is town, I can still see Tchill as town, so that’s my issue with a Ausuka scum. Their play just doesn’t make sense in my head as scum no matter which way I look at it when you look down to agendas.

I love this bullshit fucking excuse. "Oh this whole thing hinges on a Gamma scum read, but even if he's town it doesn't matter I'll still believe these same terrible associatives". He's just trying to BS a mislynch on me.
VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Here's the real question,

Are you voting him just because he's pushing you? Or do you really think he's scum?

Remove yourself from it.

Not sure about my logic on other things but I would have the exact same commentary on this line of thinking if it was someone else in my place.

OK, good.

Anything odd happen to you last night?

[Havo]

Stop. We are doing Tchill and he can pick if we do flavour or asuka tomorrow if he towns.

Like you would follow through with it. lol.

Town never follows through on that kinda stuff.

Just because you and this site are shit doesn't mean I'm the same.

Yes I'm shit. Thanks for the critique, lucky for you I won't let your elitist attitude hinder me from working with you if I feel it's best for town.

[Havo]

@Luca for future reference: I almost always sleep between the hours of 11pm and 7am GMT. I cannot unvote during those times under any circumstances. If you waited for me to wake up before self-hammering, I actually could have read the thirty odd posts you made and hopefully spoken to you directly.

Properly read until end of I think 86. Stopping for rougly 20 mins then reading more.

Hmm. The Maria NK is very, very sketchy.

What’s sketchy about it?

The fact that she was a good ML candidate for today and scum killed her anyway?

They only narrowed my pool down for me.

It went from Maria, Kath/Kook, Ausuka to

Ausuka, Kook

Kook replaced Cedrick not Katherine.

Yes, thanks for that.

So it's Ausuka, Flavor.

left in my scumpool.

I will admit though, that Ausukas postings of late have sound much more towny to me.

So you think Tchill is town and the people defending him and pushing different targets are both scum?

Scum would want Tchill to hang around, due to all the controversy surrounding him, I do think he's town, but I also think he's played poorly this game and become a problem for town. So I'm not opposing his lynch, he could flip scum, but I would be very surprised. But it might be necessary for town to be able to move forward. Unless he's cleared by a confirmed towny, like an Un CC'd cop claim or something, his slot is going to be an issue.

So just because you think he's town with me, doesn't mean I'm gonna town read you for that.
You are more of a POE for me than a scum read.

Does that make sense to you?

[Havo]

Stop. We are doing Tchill and he can pick if we do flavour or asuka tomorrow if he towns.

Like you would follow through with it. lol.

Town never follows through on that kinda stuff.

Just because you and this site are shit doesn't mean I'm the same.

Yes I'm shit. Thanks for the critique, lucky for you I won't let your elitist attitude hinder me from working with you if I feel it's best for town.

so what's the point of your 2311?

My scum pool was Maria, Flavor and Ausuka before last night.
Maria was killed, now it's Flavor and Ausuka in my scum pool.

[Havo]

Havo do you really think the Luca wagon was all-town? With the way that formed and went to lynch so quickly, doesn't it seem likely to you that Gamma and Mumble are scummy for jumping on the wagon oppurtunity when it happened?

The Luca wagon was definitely good for scum, very, very good.

Gamma and Mumble are TOWN.
End of story.

You'll have to look elsewhere.

[Havo]

Okay, so yea, Ausuka or Flavour tomorrow regardless of Tchill flip. Tchill first.

Have at it.

I'm not voting him, but if you can convince the rest of town to lynch him, go ahead.

I won't try and talk you out of it.

[Havo]

If Gamma and Mumble are town that makes you like 90% scum though. I very firmly believe that the way the wagon exploded on Luca did not 100% happen because of town players.

You're entitled to your opinion, and I appreciate it. But I know your off base here.

Luca was not super towny this game. even if scum was on him it took more than two scum to lynch him. There were townies besides me that thought he was scum due to his play.

I love town Luca, he's a great player and I hate that I mislynched him. He's far better than I'll ever be and hate that I hurt town by lynching him. But it's a game and I can only try and learn from my mistakes.

Luca's slot was a lot like Tchills, there was a lot of suspicion around it, flipping his slot led me to believe certain things and hopefully that will help town win this game.

[Havo]

He was super towny this game though. Everyone agreed, everyone did, that he was town because of the way wagons developed d1. I believe even you did! And he got lynched within hours.
Of course town was voting him. I just find it more likely that, say, 3 town voted him than 5 town voted him (not counting the selfhammer.)

I disagree, I pointed out several things that I couldn't get comfortable with about his slot.

I finally forced myself to call him town, because the players I was town reading him wasn't seeing what I was seeing.

Then they came around to it, that's why I joined that wagon. I would never have felt good about his slot and felt like he needed to flip.

[Havo]

If you play with me because of a bet I highly beg you to play elsewhere. I'd like to play with people that WANT to play here and win.

The people that lost "the bet" are the ones you recklessly call shit. Nobody asked for your opinion and nobody signed up to play with someone starting the game with a negative attitude towards the sit or players in it.

But seriously it's flavor and ausuka.

I didn't start with a negative attitude, I was ready to give this site a chance. I was shown quickly that it was u deserved. citations from this game include Havo finding it incredulous someone would follow a dead townie, a flash lynch on someone who oozed town at l-1, and extreme difficulty lynching someone who's been a part of a wagon on virtually every flipped townie. Tchill, you kept harping about how much info Luca gave, and you have not brought it up once afaicr. It is ridiculous.

Well then replace out.

[Havo]

no. fuck off.

lol,

quit whining and show us all how good you are.

[Havo]

I tried to. you refused to unvote luca and now you're refusing to chain tchill and flavour.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

[Havo]

@Kook,

Are you an Alt?

if so who's your main?

[Havo]

I mean you're both actually against my lynch rn and there's no real reason for it.

It makes sense imo.

You mean apart from the things that I have stated in the thread multiple times?
I'm not gonna lie, I'm getting tired of this song and dance.

Can you rank this group in order of town to most not town for me?

Flavor, Tchill, Hopkirk, Kook, Creature

[Havo]

I mean you're both actually against my lynch rn and there's no real reason for it.

It makes sense imo.

You mean apart from the things that I have stated in the thread multiple times?
I'm not gonna lie, I'm getting tired of this song and dance.

Can you rank this group in order of town to most not town for me?

Flavor, Tchill, Hopkirk, Kook, Creature

Most town

Hopkirk
Creature
Flavor
Kook
Tchill

probably.

I'd probably put you, and maybe gamma, below tchill, but that's not happening today and it's definitely not gonna happen while tchill is around if he's town, so whatever.

Thanks for playing,

How or why do you have Flavor that high? you've pushed a me/flavor or a tchill/flavor recently have you not?
why would Flavor be above Kook?

[Havo]

@Ausuka,

Can you explain your case on me? And do it like I'm a 5 year old please, so I'm sure I get it.

[Havo]

I typed in a flavour leaf vote

Hmm.

Could this be posted in the wrong forum? lol.

[Havo]

VOTE: unvote

[Havo]

Uh.................

Kook, you got some splaing to do.

[Havo]

VOTE: Havo

Policy. He's town. Prod dodging until I can hammer Flavour or Tchill or you mislynch me. Bye.

LMAO,

I think Kook posted in the wrong Forum.

[Havo]

I typed in a flavour leaf vote

VOTE: Havo

Policy. He's town. Prod dodging until I can hammer Flavour or Tchill or you mislynch me. Bye.

What the actual hell lol.

That first one was supposed to be posted in his scum forum. LMAO.

[Havo]

VOTE: Kook

Let's see who tries to clean this up for him.

[Havo]

He was telling his scum partner in the scum forum that he voted Flavor.

LMAO, Love it.

And now the meltdown, it's beautiful.

There's very few things I enjoy watching more than someone melt down in a mafia thread.

[Havo]

I DID NOT VOTE FOR FLAVOUR, AS YOU CAN READ, AND THERE IS NO BENEFIT TO SAYING I TYPED IN A VOTE. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST.

logging out now can't do this anymore

PLease don't go, stay a bit longer.

[Havo]

Well, I have to admit, that made my day. And I'm not sorry for it.

Almost reminded me of a RobNova melt down. But couldn't be him, he already bailed from this game. lol.

[Havo]

Also I'm really glad creature is lock town or that'd be someone else to worry about.

What even is this post?

I could be wrong, but I believe that a sarcastic shot.

He's been riled the whole game about Creature being widely TR.

[Havo]

Does anyone know what Site Kook usually plays at?

Asking for a friend.

[Havo]

Havo I don't think that was a scum slip as laughable and needles as it was. We should definitely lynch one of me, ausuka or flavor today.

Yeah that woulda been too easy.

VOTE: flavor

Back to where I was.

[Havo]

Give me one good reason why the game isn't solved and maybe.

Because I'm town. What happens when I flip town? Will flavor be lynched then?

If you flipped town, Flavour would move to most likely scum.

So what if we lynched flavor today and he flipped scum?

You would be town. I would go into d4 intending to vote Havo.

Then let’s do this. Vote Flavor.

[Havo]

Have why do you evne scumread flavor i think he cod be scum but Tchill is SO obvious like GOG (((( ;°Д°))))

pedit: well YEAH i think you and ausuka are both scum and everyone else is town it MAKES THE MOST SENSE (ಠ益ಠ)

I think Flavor is scum Mainly from a POE view. I think Tchill is town based on my ability to read him.
I think it’s Flavor and Ausuka. I’m good with lynching either of those today.

[Havo]

honestly tchill i feel i have more evidence on you thats why im voting you (‘-’*)

and havo so what makes you think my points on tchill are WRONG? i dont see him scumhunting hes just whining and shading people i dont really think thats town (*´_ゝ｀)

also then I have a EXPEDIENT ENQUIRY to make:

WHOM is willing to lynch TChill and WHOM is willing to lynch Ausuka? Maybe theres info tobe gained if we sort it out this way...... (*ﾟ∀ﾟ*)

I understand the reads on Tchill. I understand he looks very scummy. I’ve said this plenty of times throughout the game. I know you haven’t been able to read the whole game but if you do you will see me saying this several times. I won’t oppose his lynch if enough townies feel he needs to be lynched. I don’t know for sure he’s town, I just feel like he is based on my ability to read him. He could be scum, I’d be surprised but I am wrong almost as much as I am right. But I’m not voting him today. I’ve seen his scum game, it’s much better than this. Lol.

[Havo]

There’s at least one scum in Ausuka, Flavor, Tchill.

Maybe two.

[Havo]

IF Ausuk flips mafia then MUMBLE TRACK TCHILL OKAY??? (•̀ᴗ•́)൬༉

pedit: okay how would you have defended Imploson's posting Ausuka?

You're VOTING ME how the HELL are you gonna tell him that when you plan on me being killed first?

Lol.

[Havo]

IF Ausuk flips mafia then MUMBLE TRACK TCHILL OKAY??? (•̀ᴗ•́)൬༉

pedit: okay how would you have defended Imploson's posting Ausuka?

You're VOTING ME how the HELL are you gonna tell him that when you plan on me being killed first?

He changed his vote.

[Havo]

EVERYONE please take a deep breath for a sec. lol.

[Havo]

2 scum.... Bussed the strong pr.... When Luca was that close to being lynched...

This is what I meant when I said Luca flipping gives us great information. We know a town wagon was closed to being lynched. You're telling me that instead of lynching town TWO SCUM BUSSED IMPLOSION WHEN THEY DIDNT THE HAVE TO?

What a joke.

Yeah, see this is too powerful to get past.

Scum would be stupid here, really stupid to bus their PR when they could have easily lynched a townie instead.

[Havo]

2 scum.... Bussed the strong pr.... When Luca was that close to being lynched...

This is what I meant when I said Luca flipping gives us great information. We know a town wagon was closed to being lynched. You're telling me that instead of lynching town TWO SCUM BUSSED IMPLOSION WHEN THEY DIDNT THE HAVE TO?

What a joke.

Yeah, see this is too powerful to get past.

Scum would be stupid here, really stupid to bus their PR when they could have easily lynched a townie instead.

Yeah, so stupid. Even though it's probably going to win them the game, clearly the towncred just wasn't worth lynching a ONE-SHOT STRONGMAN.

This is not the path of least resistance.

[Havo]

@Ausuka,

Everyone here knows scum will bus. No one really believes they would do it in that situation.

It’s WIFOM, the scum team would be making the game harder for themselves just to push that one angle.
Why make the game harder than it needs to be? Yes town cred is good, but there’s other ways to get town cred.

[Havo]

The quickest way to know if scum double bussed or not is to get rid of the Luca wagon. If we agree to lynch EVERYONE on the Luca wagon Scums night kills will be kind of selected for them. This should clear up the implosion wagon if you add night actions for town into the mix.

This all but solves the game.

I'm good with it, it's what I'm wanting to do anyway.

[Havo]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

You need to explain this, and it needs to be more than just a feeling.

[Havo]

Wait, wtf’s going on?

I’m a two shot vig. Get off of me. I killed Maria. Katherine didn’t kill Night 1

Nope.

[Havo]

I buy Flavor's claim.

Explain your vote on Gamma please

[Havo]

VOTE: creature

Stop ignoring my question

[Havo]

VOTE: creature

Stop ignoring my question

idk how to explain

Do u have a guilty on him?

[Havo]

Do you buy Flavor's claim?

I’ve already said no.

[Havo]

So Creature, I need you to give me more on your Gamma push here.

[Havo]

This is so bizarre. Hardly anything makes sense.

There's some very shady things going on, that's why.

[Havo]

This is so bizarre. Hardly anything makes sense.

There's some very shady things going on, that's why.

Creature's silence is at the top of the list.

[Havo]

Mumble said he has a tracker action, right? Track me. No matter what happens, there’s info from that

And when there's not another kill, you'll claim scum decided not to kill to frame you and Mumbles last track is wasted.

Fail.

[Havo]

Tchill/Havo might be back up there for me actually.

lol, You serious Clark?

[Havo]

So just so we’re all good, we lynch Ausuka and Flavor kills Tchill.

[Havo]

VOTE: Ausuka

[Havo]

Can i just shoot scum in Havo?

You’re gonna shoot me anyway cause you’re scum.

[Havo]

I didn’t shoot, by the way.

It’s either this or I shot and my actual shot didn’t go through, so I’m saying I didn’t shoot for the potential WIFOM on actual scum.

Did you get a result?

[Havo]

I didn’t shoot, by the way.

It’s either this or I shot and my actual shot didn’t go through, so I’m saying I didn’t shoot for the potential WIFOM on actual scum.

And just for the record, you’re saying someone else killed Tchill?

[Havo]

Flavor is the obvious lynch.

I’ll wait to hear what Mumble wants to say before voting tho.

I would be fine with a mass claim today, but considering I think Flavor is 99:9% to flip scum I’m good with waiting also.

[Havo]

Just waiting on Mumble (*´ω｀*)

After Mumble contributes

I also have something to say.

Please do not hammer until after Mumble and I both have a chance to give thoughts.

[Havo]

Okay, I got info. I don't feel good about waiting another day to out it.

I'm Town Watcher. I'm not limited.

Night 1 I watched Mumble. Mumble had a visitor. I'll call him Player A
Mumble didn't claim to be roleblocked and obviously he wasn't harmed.

Night 2 I watched Player A, Player A had a visitor. I'll call him Player B.
Player A was not killed and didn't claim to be Roleblocked.

NIght 3 I got NO RESULT on my target. So I was either Roleblocked or Jailed.

So counting Luca and Myself that's 2 PRs, Mumble claimed 2 shot Tracker and Flavor has claimed 2 shot Vig.
There's 2 other players with roles, Player A and B. That's 6 total.

I find the 2 shot claims interesting.

I think it's best we go ahead with the Mass Claim today.

[Havo]

Personally I’d like

Creature then Gamma then Hopkirk to claim.

[Havo]

HAPPY BRITHDAY HAVO!!!!!!!!!!!

ヽ(´∇´)ノ　(∇´ノ)　ヽ(　　　)ノ　(ヽ´∇) ヽ(´∇`)ﾉ

♪o<( ´∀｀)っ┌iii┐

ヽ(´∇´)ノ　(∇´ノ)　ヽ(　　　)ノ　(ヽ´∇) ヽ(´∇`)ﾉ

Thanks

[Havo]

Yeah, Gamma up next.

[Havo]

I’m not giving my thoughts until everyone has claimed. But there are some obvious things.

Hopkirk is up next.

[Havo]

Amd Mumble should go ahead and tell us who he tracked nite 1. Because he hasn’t specified that.

[Havo]

Okay, Creature and Gammas claim fit.

After Watching Mumble Nite 1 and seeing Gamma visit led me to believe Gamma was the Protective. Thus my basically locktowning Gamma.
The problem I had was with Creature visiting Gamma nite 2. I was trying to figure out what Creature could be, since he came out Day 3 pushing Gamma pretty hard. I was thinking Investigative at first, maybe a Vanilla Cop, but Role Blocker works there. I've played about 20 games here and don't recall seeing a town Role Blocker, but it does fit nicely here.

Flavor is lock scum, and Mumble is 80% scum with him. I was suspicious of Mumble's claim becuase it was 2 shot and I was Unlimited Watcher, Flavor claims 2 shot also and as we all know there has yet to be 2 kills in a night, Mumble claimed he was Roleblocked last nite and has yet to tell us who he tracked Nite 1. He vaguely hinted at it was Ausuka or Tchill.

My intent is to vote Flavor.

I think we lynch Flavor and Creature should RB Mumble tonight, and Gamma should be on me.

[Havo]

Who was your day 3 watch?

You were my nite 3 target.

Felt like you were being universally town read and would be a good scum target.

[Havo]

Just waiting for Mumble then I suppose.

What’s your thoughts on game state?

[Havo]

VOTE: flavor