Mini Normal 1996: Floral Mafia [Endgame!]

[Killthestory]

VOTE: tchill

this has got to die. i rolled village btw glgl me

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Well that's a bit aggressive.

wolfy

VOTE: tchill

this has got to die. i rolled village btw glgl me

That's just rude.

VOTE: Killthestory

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[Killthestory]

my beautiful meme...

ruined.

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yo tchill claim now or im gonna tunnel you all game.

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I'll participate...

Whats wolfy about me saying it's pretty aggressive seeing how you haven't explained why "this has got to die"?

first of all, you're extremely awkward and feel like your tiptoeing around the thread. it's a very safe and cautious way to play, and it feels like it's almost definitely coming from a wolf.

for example

Wow.... That's a classic Katherine move right there.

your entrance is extremely serious and so completely devoid of any life that if you're not a wolf you're a robot. are you a robot, tchill? answer me truthfully, i'm a mindreader.

even your supposed half defense half shade comment on my vote on you was very wishy washy and too perfectly sculpted that nothing you've posted so far feels genuine except for your read on katherine which feels tmi.

Tunnel away my man.

I'll give you a shovel if you need one?

i can dig your grave later. thanks for the offer.

[Killthestory]

katherine feels like an overeager villa, and maria definitely a villa. not sure how i feel on havo, and him attempting to pocket tchill is pretty funny. not a w/w interaction though.

creature posting within the first two pages is a good sign.

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Man we've got some people jumping at the chance to push others EARLY.

ask your wolf buddies how to make a villa post, please.

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Oh. I signed up with a few mafia genuises lol.

looks like tmi right here, too.

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Yeah. You're the type of player where if I flip town I'm bad town but you're not gonna let up till I flip. You're gonna use anything I say to reinforce your case from one perspective or another.

Go ahead though it's all amusement for me.

question: are you a new player? i get you think of yourself as bad town, but you're not bad town. you've got the right passion, but you seem inexperienced even if you do have a year on the site.

what gives with all the newbie posts, dude?

[Killthestory]

engagement and adversity is the point on mafia, lol. it's not bad when we have a 1v1 thunderdome because it gives other players a chance to sort us and make opinions that in turn helps us sort them.

it becomes bad when you grow frustrated and the other player in turn. that's not the case, so i'd hope you'll continue talking to me because i'm genuinely trying to sort you, friend.

[Killthestory]

capitilization is for normies. do i look like a normie to you?

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I hard TR KTS and that's that.

Why?

Tell me exactly why scum start such a thing day 1? There's no reason for it. The most efficient way for scum to play that helps them in the long run is minimal stances day 1.

no no no no scum!KTS can be very aggressive, too. scum!KTS just isn't gonna listen to what you have to say when he tunnels you.

now can you go back to my previous post addressing you and respond? i'd really appreciate it.

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i understand, man, and i'm cognizant of that now that i realize you truly had no idea what you were doing (and i mean that in the nicest way possible) with no ulterior scum agenda. i would like to know still how much experience you have with mafia in general though because from your join date, i thought you'd have a lot more.

VOTE: Mumble
this almost always hits a wolf.

btw iirc mariar has played a game where we were both wolves, but that was a while ago.

[Killthestory]

transparency is within every single post you make within mafia.

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hop on the mumble wagon for freelo :riceyee:

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implosion might be a wolf, too.

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My vote on implosion is now serious.

i'd vote there if mumble wasn't almost certainly a wolf.

creature strong villa btw

[Killthestory]

You're only voting mumble off meta aren't you?

i've never played with him.

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i understand, man, and i'm cognizant of that now that i realize you truly had no idea what you were doing (and i mean that in the nicest way possible) with no ulterior scum agenda. i would like to know still how much experience you have with mafia in general though because from your join date, i thought you'd have a lot more.

VOTE: Mumble
this almost always hits a wolf.

btw iirc mariar has played a game where we were both wolves, but that was a while ago.

"almost always"?

could just be a very incredibly asinine read by me depending on how he comes into the thread afterwards, but i'm 99 percent sure he's got to be a wolf just off his entrance alone.

Idk if he’s scum yet but I’m leaning that way. If he is town I don’t believe for a second he believes any of the reads he’s given.

If he was town he'd definitely believe his reads. No reason to give reads he doesn't believe them if he's town.

not necessarily.

[Killthestory]

Do you believe your reads?

in this case, yes.

[Killthestory]

am i in a game filled with potatoes?

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can we have more engagement? i don't want to play a stagnate game.

[Killthestory]

can we have more engagement? i don't want to play a stagnate game.

I'm happy to engage with you if you're not going to be ridiculously cryptic ^_^

cedrick is probably actually town.

i try not to be cryptic lol.

cedrick is fairly solid v. good spew even if i am ignoring him.

Like, if you're annoyed that there's no engagement then please, explain why you scumread me and mumble.

weird entrance + scumreads on katherine and tchill seem like low hanging fruit. you don't offer much analysis off either except for one weird post by tchill which i've already cleared up his alignment for the thread.

mumble's entrance while albeit not scummy into itself, within the context of the game, is a scummy pop in during rvs to lock a vote and leave. no sense of forming a wagon, no sense of solving, and the vote i have on him almost always hits a wolf.

I don't think there's enough reason to scum read mumble. I do appreciate activity but I feel like you're definitely trying to take control of the game and I also don't like how you pointed out you could be aggressive as scum also.

i'm a very dominant player. not sure how you want me to respond to this in any other way than "lolok"

sorry for being honest with you? do you want me to lie and say i'm way beyond my wolf range? lol you're making very far stretches with your logic rn that make no sense as far as mafia arguments go.

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I just don't see why you even brought it up. No need to.

uh, yeah, there was. i was telling you you werr wrong. i'm not here to manipulate you by any means necessary. i'm telling you when you're right and wrong, and in that case, you were wrong. i can fake that level of interaction and aggression fine. you reading me town for it is bad and will hurt you in future games.

What about it? Should he be drawing the same conclusion as you..?

It's very beg-the-question-y, as though it would be reasonable to nail someone as scum off of a single point. It looks like scum hedging on either a scumbuddy or on a townie and not really sure if they want to risk joining the possibly-developing wagon.

Early day one I'm down for any wagon that's not mine.

don't make posts like this in the future.

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guys... i get you think tchill is scum, i saw that, too, but i think he's just an inexperienced townie. a lot of the stuff he says comes across as scummy, but i looked it over and realized the guy really doesn't know how to play mafia. pls don't lynch him.

also hi luca! didn't realize you were in this game. hi maria, too.

cedrick, luca, maria, creature, tchill, all v.
katherine, gamma slight v.
feeling implosion, mumble, ausoka as w.

rest i still gotta sort

[Killthestory]

sup KTS long time since my first scum game friend

cool.

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link me his towngame because the only way he isn't wolf is if he doesn't know what he's doing.

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so is no one gonna link a tchill towngame?

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looking for a deepwolf i'd say it could be maria as a likely candidate for it. luca i dont think so, and no one else looks like theyre trying to deepwolf. pr0bably just gonna keep maria on a leash the entire game lol.

gonna read up on tchill and make my final judgement on the dude.

[Killthestory]

how many mafia r there? didnt read setup lol

[Killthestory]

fine ill just read the setup

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3 wolves. maria or gamma probably a deepwolf. implosion, ausoka, mumble carries like 2 out of three wolves.

lock v is prob gonna be creature and cedrick.

[Killthestory]

how many mafia r there? didnt read setup lol

are you serious? It's conf 10v3. this feels like a deliberate attempt for towncred.

ok

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wait nvm read the game maria linked. he's scum here LOL.

i've nailed like 2 wolves already, but there might be a wolf eluding me. depends on tchill's flip.

deepwolf: maria or gamma (this depends on flips), implosion, mumble, tchill wolves.

ausoka, katherine gotta be sorted.

i think that's sorta gamesolving, but a wolf might be eluding me.

[Killthestory]

dont ate me

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don't need to push you, and didn't need to read the entire game.

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yeah implosion feels fine as a wolf.

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In your 266 you give a rather clear scumread on kts, unless you'd like to argue that I am somehow wrong.

i scumread him before he scumread me, clown.

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don't need to push you, and didn't need to read the entire game.

This is exactly what I expected. You pick and choose the information to fit your narrative at all times. Just admitted to not looking at the whole thing in context. Which I assume is how you play to push you're agenda. I feel that you're agenda is superior town but I'm not one hundred percent sure.

lol

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i now clearly remember why i originally left this site.

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katherine wagon formation always hit a villager.

[Killthestory]

katherine wagon formation always hit a villager.

So what do you want to do about it?

nothing. game already proved that it was worthless for me to try.

[Killthestory]

katherine wagon formation always hit a villager.

Are you saying scum are always active early Day 1?

no.

Had a mumble wagon formed in the same way would that be hitting a villager? Because Katherine and mumble were the 2 pointed out.

not the same wagon formations.

[Killthestory]

scummy mumble pop in

[Killthestory]

scummy mumble pop in

I’ve seen Mumble do this as both town and scum.
I hoping his activity will pick up after the weekend, but I’m not counting on it.

ok.

katherine wagon formation always hit a villager.

Are you saying scum are always active early Day 1?

no.

Well then why can’t Katherine be scum here?

i don't think they got a red rolecard.

[Killthestory]

scummy mumble pop in

Alright man continue to push you're agenda. All I ask is you explain reads and don't blatantly push things that are obviously biased.

these posts are exactly why i lost all wim to play this game within 10 pages. i was pretty excited to play this, too, until a bunch of players started acting superior to me for whatever reason.

whatever, just won't come back.

[Killthestory]

scummy mumble pop in

Alright man continue to push you're agenda. All I ask is you explain reads and don't blatantly push things that are obviously biased.

these posts are exactly why i lost all wim to play this game within 10 pages. i was pretty excited to play this, too, until a bunch of players started acting superior to me for whatever reason.

whatever, just won't come back.

shut up, idiot.

[Killthestory]

feels a little selfish to stop playing because of a few players, so here's my wall before i completely lose wim.

Spoiler:

VOTE: tchill

this has got to die. i rolled village btw glgl me

That's just rude.

VOTE: Killthestory

i rolled village btw glgl me

English please

VOTE: kts

I don’t like being ignored.

Yeah. You're the type of player where if I flip town I'm bad town but you're not gonna let up till I flip. You're gonna use anything I say to reinforce your case from one perspective or another.

Go ahead though it's all amusement for me.

engagement and adversity is the point on mafia, lol. it's not bad when we have a 1v1 thunderdome because it gives other players a chance to sort us and make opinions that in turn helps us sort them.

it becomes bad when you grow frustrated and the other player in turn. that's not the case, so i'd hope you'll continue talking to me because i'm genuinely trying to sort you, friend.

Serious question, is your shift key broken?

i'd vote there if mumble wasn't almost certainly a wolf.

Welcome to Real World mafiascum. Where people stop being fake and start being real.

Basically all of the reads you have given are fake in attempt to stir up drama. Please stop

What does drama mean in this context? I think anything that would be called drama is usually helpful in mafia

This little 1 v 1 with tchill. Really drama is helpful. Staged drama not so much. Kts is faking reads imo to stir things up. I’m not entirely convinced tchill isn’t in on it.

I'm not liking Killthestory recently. I'm not sure if his "already solving the game" junk is scum trying to look like stupid town or just really stupid town.

I still like where my vote is, but

FoS: KtS

i now clearly remember why i originally left this site.

Because people don't just immediately bow down to the fact that you have solved the game?

scummy mumble pop in

Alright man continue to push you're agenda. All I ask is you explain reads and don't blatantly push things that are obviously biased.

like, i'm not sure how i'm supposed to respond to these posts without getting frustrated. i'm getting belittled, insulted, and blatantly called stupid for attempting to push the gamestate forward and accurately lock scum to certain pools to which i believe in. i don't know these people, i've tried not to antagonize anyone, and these guys are sitting here pretending like they're superior to me. i'm not gonna bring up skill levels or anything, but it's incredibly arrogant and pointless to try and bait me with these sort of posts when i'm being perfectly reasonable. one guy even accused me of stirring up drama for the sake of it. what???

there's a certain line of aggressive and asshole in mafia, and a lot of these players don't know the difference. sort of why i left the toxic community here in the first place.

Wow.... That's a classic Katherine move right there.

really weird interaction. v/w or w/w interaction i sorta feel. v/v doesn't feel likely, or at least, it's out of what i believe possible. i think later associations go on to disprove this, but i just don't like it.

VOTE: Maria

If you were a flower, you’d be a DAMNdelion

@havo why did you change your disclaimer from the last game?

Found my mason partner

nice v feeling to this post.

VOTE: Maria

If you were a flower, you’d be a DAMNdelion

@havo why did you change your disclaimer from the last game?

It seemed to cause too much controversy and took away from the RVS stage.
And I like this new one better.

But you were town last game and didn’t seem to care about controversy. Why now?

I’m just trying to find that balance of getting my point across without derailing Day 1.

Creating controversy isn’t a town thing to do IMO, and even though that was never my intention with that disclaimer, it seemed to do just that with some players. So I think this new one is much better.

not liking how self aware havo is. the thought process and content is good, but the awkward tone and self aware posting makes me figure that this guy's trying to articulate way too hard that he's pushing a town agenda. gonna let him lose in my wolf pile.

VOTE: tchill

this has got to die. i rolled village btw glgl me

That's just rude.

VOTE: Killthestory

this isn't even rude... i was pushing a scumread at the time, and i applied pressure on him. i just don't understand this post.

i rolled village btw glgl me

English please

this is the same guy that decided to say i was stirring up drama for the sake of it, and i've been ignoring him all game as to not cause an out of game conflict. don't really feel like engaging a child who's gonna throw a tantrum whenever i don't give him attention as seen here:

VOTE: kts

I don’t like being ignored.

and yeah, that's provocative, but he's been baiting me all game. not sure what his deal is, but there's only so much i can let him say about me before i get a little angry lol. regardless, his posts engaging me and about me are a solid v.

I like the reasoning but I wouldn't nail Katherine as scum based solely on that yet.

this is a very wishy washy read that i only see coming from a wolf or inexperienced town. really dislike how he's trying to egg on maria while also not himself taking part of the push.

Tunnel away my man.

I'll give you a shovel if you need one?

I was Death tunneled in my last game, I’ve learned a thing or two about how to handle it.

So I can give you some tips if you need them.

But I doubt you would.

very similar awkward interaction atypical to the katherine and tchill interaction. v/w or w/w, and i'm leaning wolf on wolf here. just like such a weird thing to say to someone as a villa or both villas. havo's definitely scum off the exchange, but i feel tchill is scum here, too. gonna look into more posts. definitely fits the narrative that i see running here.

idk how to take Havos change if he said it was before the game that would've made it now saying he did it while he was posting could mean self conscious scum but the tone so far feels like town who genuinely didn't want to fuck something up.
Whew sr and a tr so far Maria you are on fire
Pedit: I don't think you should give tips regardless and let us see the reaction

i like how maria's trying to sort here again, and i don't think this is a w/w interaction here. feel like maria would avoid commenting on havo and bringing up a potential piece of evidence against havo if they were similar alignments. maria prpbably the v here, but again, i'm still missing a deepwolf.

Man we've got some people jumping at the chance to push others EARLY.

again, this is one of those posts that only comes from inexperienced v or wolf. i didn't really want to tunnel the guy because every post reeked of inexperience, and i want people to continue playing mafia. i think i took the ate too hard, and he definitely came across as earnest after i was hard doubting myself. on rereading, this is just a supremely disgusting post that i can't see coming from tchill if he really isn't an inexperienced player. i read his towngame, and he's a lot more aggressive and less appeasing there.

Oh. I signed up with a few mafia genuises lol.

this feels like tmi as he's remarking on me already picking up on scumtells. the overall feeling of this post is really icky, too.

I hard TR KTS and that's that.

Why?

Tell me exactly why scum start such a thing day 1? There's no reason for it. The most efficient way for scum to play that helps them in the long run is minimal stances day 1.

this genuinely feels like him trying to sort me, and it gave me a large pause towards my push. as scum, i try typically to not instantly attack my attacker and make them feel like i trust them even if they scumread me, so i think that's where this post comes across if he's wolf. still gives me large hesitance, though. tone was really v.

I've played like 20-30 games on site. I've played enough to understand why you pointed me out specifically.

another level of self awareness that i absolutely despise.

VOTE: katherine

i really disliked this post from implosion as it felt too easy of a pile on, and he just seemingly goes along with what maria said without offering anything of his own. no resistance to the scumread, no genuine reads of his own. seems like a typical wolf play for a mislynch early on.

My vote on implosion is now serious.

creature as a wolf never makes this post. also his consistent posting is really only within his villa range.

maria's reasoning is solid. Also dislike tchill's 41. Also skeptical of cedrick's opening.

What do you have against puns?

Not your first post, just most of your other ones.

implosion really, really contradicts himself here. your entrance is exactly your first post, and implosion says his entrance is scummy. he then goes back on that and says, "wait, not your first post." feels like a fake read early on.

can we have more engagement? i don't want to play a stagnate game.

I'm happy to engage with you if you're not going to be ridiculously cryptic ^_^

cedrick is probably actually town.

switches up his whole narrative instantly after half assing a push against cedrick. again, fake reads.

In a vacuum I want to call kts town right now but I don't think I know his meta well enough to have any degree of confidence in that.

another wishy washy read that gives almost no value to the thread. definitrly in our lynch pool.

mumble's entrance while albeit not scummy into itself, within the context of the game, is a scummy pop in during rvs to lock a vote and leave. no sense of forming a wagon, no sense of solving, and the vote i have on him almost always hits a wolf.

Yeah this makes sense now, but honestly Tchill is just scum

being empathetic to my thought process but still pushing his own line of thought is villa.

Only issue with Ausuka scum is it somewhat points to Tchii scum and ehhh on that.

weird post that probably comes from villa.

guys... i get you think tchill is scum, i saw that, too, but i think he's just an inexperienced townie. a lot of the stuff he says comes across as scummy, but i looked it over and realized the guy really doesn't know how to play mafia. pls don't lynch him.

also hi luca! didn't realize you were in this game. hi maria, too.

cedrick, luca, maria, creature, tchill, all v.
katherine, gamma slight v.
feeling implosion, mumble, ausoka as w.

rest i still gotta sort

Very odd of you to defend/undermine me when I only have 2 votes on me. Are you that worried I'm gonna be lynched? Or do you NEED to get the point across that you believe I'm town and I'm terrible? Because if you want people to think I'm town because I'm terrible you don't want people listening to my reasoning. Why would you make sure that didn't happen?

Yeah Tchill is town for this. KTS is helping Tchill here and Tchill is provoking him in this post. I think if Tchill was scum he'd probably just take the TR, instead of being annoyed at KTS for a percieved insult.

feels like ausoka is genuinely sorting tchill here, and it reads well. good thought process, solid v.

VOTE: katherine

Ausuka is my 2nd biggest SR. Gamma is a scum lean.

Maria, KTS and Cedrick town. Luca is a town lean.

Rest is null.

this definitely locks a w/v interaction with a slight chance of v/v between the two. same with mumble. spew from tchill is pretty sorting later on.

how many mafia r there? didnt read setup lol

are you serious? It's conf 10v3. this feels like a deliberate attempt for towncred.

didn't even look at the playercount before i joined lolol.

Ausuka is town. Her reads progression (particularly her willingness to repeatedly add reads and not rest on the list) since the initial list looks like genuine gamesolving. Inclined toward Luca town. I don't think going all-in on the tchill push is how scum opens at that point in time. I don't think there were any other non-RVS votes at that point? And he was fairly contentious. And the reasoning feels decent enough. Not sure what I think about tchill right now though.

Maria seems town as well.

kts is also starting to sound like he's making shit up in a scummy way. His flip on tchill is really odd and makes more sense from scum than from town i think. I don't think that town-kts would display as much confidence on the tchill read as he did if it was capable of being overturned by such a simple meta dive; the read itself was sort of implicitly meta-based.

Gamma I don't think I've seen as scum before actually but I'm also not sure he goes for the tchill push here in this way.

individually, these posts are good. in the context of the game, i seriously wonder why implosion only commented on us 5 when there's more colorful personalities within the game. it really feels he's trying to avoid spew on any scumbuddies or scummy town, and he's trying to let the game progress to a mislynch without damning himself. really scummy play imo, he's gotta go soon.

Your reaction was still OMGUS.

stop being a potato.

Very early Day 1 reads for me -

Katherine - Null
Tchill - Lean Town, familiarity, nothing feels off as of yet
Creature - Null
Ausuka - Towny, makes sense and I like the tone
Gamma - Null I guess, I go back and forth here.
Brass Herald - Very slight town lean here.
Cedrick - Very slight town lean, tone mainly
Mumble - Null, not much to look at
KTS - Leaning Scum here, aggressive scum, false reads maybe
Maria - Town lean here, but a bad gut feeling for some reason
Luca - Null, not a fan of his tunnel vision early
Implosion - Null, slight town maybe

VOTE: KTS

very wishy washy reads without him having many scumreads except for two strong personalities being pressured in thread. he doesn't go to mention any of the scummier players independantly, and he leaves them as null including implosion. inclined to believe both are a wolfteam with mumble or something.

katherine wagon formation always hit a villager.

to elaborate on this more, the lack of resistance to the wagon, and the fact that it comes across as an appeasing wagon meant to appeal to everyone feels off. feel like the wagon formation spews katherine as a v.

Superior? I seriously think you're a better player than me. I just don't agree with reads made off of 5ish posts early day 1. Don't lose the excitement. Apathy only helps scum.

I think Katherine is scummier than mumble if we are comparing the two (yes there is a lack to compare on mumble but I have more to work with when it comes to Katherine and I see no sorting whatsoever) and ik you're wrong about me because I'm town.

I just ask you play with an open mind and if you seriously think I'm scum you need to actually vote me and push it logically rather than saying "well I thought tchill maybe town but now ik tchill is scum for sure now because I read 1/10 of a game he played terrible in". That just looks weird man.

ughhh we need to leave tchill alive because his associations will spew him as v or w. going off his posts, i'm forced to read everything with a heavy v tone because i find it so hard to believe scum makes these posts acting like he's been acting. gonna leave him alive until i have too little unsorted to go around.

gonna post a readslist detailing my thoughts, and then i'm gonna leave. might come back in a day, idk.

[Killthestory]

Cedrick - v
Tchill13 - unsorted leaning v
Creature - v
Ausuka - v with slight potential of deepwolf
Gamma Emerald - leaning v
brassherald - slight v
Havo - w
Mumble - w
katherine - v off wagon formation + tone
MariaR - v with chance of powerwolf
Luca Blight - v with chance of powerwolf
implosion - w

my pick for a wolf team: implosion, havo, mumble 100% one scum there, almost certain there's 2, unlikely there's 3. still looking for deepwolf.

there goes all my wim. i'll probably die d2, so this might be all you get out of me if i decide to stop playing.

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Spoiler:

like, i'm not sure how i'm supposed to respond to these posts without getting frustrated. i'm getting belittled, insulted, and blatantly called stupid for attempting to push the gamestate forward and accurately lock scum to certain pools to which i believe in. i don't know these people, i've tried not to antagonize anyone, and these guys are sitting here pretending like they're superior to me.

Idk who here is acting like they're superior to you. I'm getting annoyed by your posting because you sound consistently like you think you're superior to everyone else, claiming to have solved the game in five pages, claiming that you have rock-solid knowledge of your own meta and that people who think they should be townreading you are wrong no matter what their reasoning is, consistently dismissing people on face when they say they have reads that are the opposite of yours, using terminology that's atypical of this site and then getting angry at people when they ask what you mean, hammering a hard scumread on someone with a single post for several pages and acting as though the reasoning for that scumread was so self-evident that you shouldn't need to explain it in the slightest and that anyone who didn't get it wasn't reading the game...

doesn't seem like this guy's reading the thread, but i like how calls a whole different site meta annoying and superior LOL. what a guy.

You've been coming off as very, very antagonistic, and people are responding in kind; many people aren't even being antagonistic, and you're interpreting what they're saying as antagonistic for whatever reason (e.g. 35, 58, and generally a lot of what you cited being people responding to your refusal to acknowledge that they have their own opinions).

"no u!"

You're being impossible to work with because you refuse to explain anything (though the wall is at least a start) and demand that we all figure out what you mean. I have a hard time believing that you have real internal state to your reads that isn't manufactured; I don't really read alignment info into the claim of feeling attacked but I don't see any evidence that you've formed genuine opinions and the way that your reads are pushed forward so assertively and yet are able to change with the wind (specifically tchill) is scummy.

"you're playing different, so i'm annoyed by you."

what a guy.

this is the same guy that decided to say i was stirring up drama for the sake of it, and i've been ignoring him all game as to not cause an out of game conflict. don't really feel like engaging a child who's gonna throw a tantrum whenever i don't give him attention as seen here:

I didn’t understand what you were saying. That was me asking you to clarify what you were saying. To ignore me is to be rude. That entire sentence made no sense to me.

I didn’t throw a tantrum btw but it is kind of rude to ignore somebody who’s trying to understand what you’re saying especially when we are playing a games that uses words.

yeah u right. sorry.

and yeah, that's provocative, but he's been baiting me all game. not sure what his deal is, but there's only so much i can let him say about me before i get a little angry lol. regardless, his posts engaging me and about me are a solid v.

I haven’t been baiting you and I didn’t say anything bad about you. I don’t appreciate this AtE. It’s unnecessary since I haven’t done anything to you on a personal level.

ok.

there's a certain line of aggressive and asshole in mafia, and a lot of these players don't know the difference. sort of why i left the toxic community here in the first place.

I can tell the difference. This game regardless of your alignment you’re being an asshole. Falsely accuse me of being a child trying to stir up conflict and saying I’ve been baiting you when I haven’t. You definitely passed over to the asshole side.

I see right through you. You decided to come in here and use aggression to be town read and it worked, however I’m smart enough to know that aggression and activity don’t always mean scum. You throw out reads that are clearly fake and act like you believe them. You double down and say you do which means you are probably scum.

Faking reads to generate discussion and then admitting they were fake is townie. Hopefully people come around on you and you get lynched and none won’t even have any remorse since you seem perfectly fine smearing my good name and using ate.

You have provided toxicity to this game and it’s why I’ve kind of stopped posting. Your presence annoys me and your reads to me don’t seem genuine nor do they make sense still.

I hate to have to ignore somebody completely but I fear that’s what I’ll have to do.

lol.

Killthestory seems to love to be the center of attention. I feel like he's too obvious of a choice to be mafia. Maybe it's WIFOM, but he's not blending in with everyone at all, so I'll put him in the probably town category and just label him as the person most likely to secretly be Chumba.

this guy's got a weird hard on for trying to put me down everytime he posts. seems like a cool guy to me.

tinfoil: maria, gamma, +1. wuld be funny if i called out the deepwolf and powerwolf looll.

[Killthestory]

VOTE: implosion

this guy cant make a solid read on anyone not being aggressive and not being scummy looool. shuld probably get him out of here.

[Killthestory]

VOTE: implosion

this guy cant make a solid read on anyone not being aggressive and not being scummy looool. shuld probably get him out of here.

let me rephrase: cant maake a read on anyone without a strong personality, and he refuses to talk about actually scummy people who hes probably in a team with.

[Killthestory]

VOTE: Mumble

[Killthestory]

implosion can no longer be a wolfteam with havo and mumble, but individually is a w.

[Killthestory]

i now clearly remember why i originally left this site.

Because people don't just immediately bow down to the fact that you have solved the game?

like I legit have mountain dew out my nose right now.

I would love to throw in my thoughts on why kts left but I am allowed to say anything negative about him, despite him saying negative things about me

lol

[Killthestory]

maybe i shuld shut up then

[Killthestory]

Meh...won't defend Tchill or KTS much.

me neither

[Killthestory]

me too

[Killthestory]

creature is lock v

[Killthestory]

uhh lol.

[Killthestory]

didnt report anybody or anything lol. wasnt offended by anything, was just feeling put down and was a little rude to cedrick because off the way he engaged me right off the bat. not sure why the game devolved so much, but i'm not surprised either lmao.

[Killthestory]

it's cool whatever let's just hurry up and win the game, so i can go.

[Killthestory]

/vote implosion

uses progression as a means of scumreading me lol. progression equals bad articulation. has no effective meaning on anyones alignments.

similarly, votes on the wagon i hard pushed after shading with some back street shady fucking reasoning because he's trying to live.

the dude also uses ate to try to get us off. anything and everything he can pull, hes gonna try it lol.

[Killthestory]

im not bored either but now we are reaching the pint where we go in circles. if day 1 hits page 20 it almost always goes to page 40 and we almost always lynch town.

what strange universe have i stumbled upon

[Killthestory]

VOTE: Havo

[Killthestory]

wtf i just realized someone fucked with my wiki months ago lol

[Killthestory]

wtf i just realized someone fucked with my wiki months ago lol

huh
what made you check

idk but it made me giggle

[Killthestory]

compromising on wagons is fucking disgusting

[Killthestory]

"getting back what i dished out" uh ok lol. i dont think ive been mean to anyone this game but cedrick which i apologized for, but you know, you keep doing you, man. be the hero we definitely need.

[Killthestory]

it explains exactly the type of player you are when you consider self hammering helping town.

[Killthestory]

oh, there was a mean remark. guess i only got one strike left before i turn from villain to scum of the earth

[Killthestory]

it explains exactly the type of player you are when you consider self hammering helping town.

No you're not a villain. Just another player that expects others to play by your textbook.

refer me to any posts where i demand you play as i say.

trick question; you can't. stop trying to shade me because i called u scummy early on LOL.

[Killthestory]

"getting back what i dished out" uh ok lol. i dont think ive been mean to anyone this game but cedrick which i apologized for, but you know, you keep doing you, man. be the hero we definitely need.

You are entitled to your opinion. I respect that. Just calling it like I saw it.
And yes you apologized. Was seriously a stand up move, was nice to see.
I have no issue at all with you.

came across strong right there sorry lol, but this game is super toxic. i didnt appreciate the whining comment, but im glad it wasnt in bad faith. thanks lol.

[Killthestory]

Oh OK. Well we're in the 30s now and I think we've done about all the sorting we can do on day 1.

Mumble/katherine/KTS/Gamma.

I'll lynch anyone of these people. Probably in that order.

stop playing mafia LOL

[Killthestory]

ur immediately a better player when u strive to be better. nobody is worse than someone who believes themselves already at peak mafia playing.

[Killthestory]

Cedrick - v
Tchill13 - unsorted leaning v
Creature - v
Ausuka - v with slight potential of deepwolf
Gamma Emerald - leaning v
brassherald - slight v
Havo - w
Mumble - w
katherine - v off wagon formation + tone
MariaR - v with chance of powerwolf
Luca Blight - v with chance of powerwolf
implosion - w

my pick for a wolf team: implosion, havo, mumble 100% one scum there, almost certain there's 2, unlikely there's 3. still looking for deepwolf.

there goes all my wim. i'll probably die d2, so this might be all you get out of me if i decide to stop playing.

I'm not shading anything. I'm not worried about you at all. Your reads arent consistent at all. You're play isn't consistent at all. Did I ever accuse you of telling anyone how to play? I accused you of pushing others for playing a certain way that "has to come from scum" or "has to come from town".

this is called playing mafia. certain players sometimes make scummy posts, and townies have to discern whether these posts mean theyre wolves. the wolves, meanwhile, have to survive and make townies lynch other townies. im glad i taught you something about mafia today.

im generating content and making reads as i see fit. stop trying to fit me in ur textbook of what town cant and can do!!! /s

see how fucking pretentious you sound?

You try to discredit me when I mention your name but I have good reason to mention you imo. Reason that's not OMGUS. I didn't even shade I simply stated what you have done.

your only reasons for mentioning me are im mean, im bad, my reads differ from yours, im being too passive after openly announcing i wont be playing the game the same.

loool

[Killthestory]

Oh OK. Well we're in the 30s now and I think we've done about all the sorting we can do on day 1.

Mumble/katherine/KTS/Gamma.

I'll lynch anyone of these people. Probably in that order.

stop playing mafia LOL

it explains exactly the type of player you are when you consider self hammering helping town.

Yep. I’ll be the first one to admit I’m not very good. 8

But I like playing and I’m trying to get better.

ur immediately a better player when u strive to be better. nobody is worse than someone who believes themselves already at peak mafia playing.

I got whiplash from that. I don't think I've been the egotistical type. I didn't realize I had said I was at my peak...

wasnt referring to u in the third post

[Killthestory]

vig shoot implosion

[Killthestory]

@kts I was referring to how nice you were after immediately telling someone to stop playing lol.

I guess I'll stick to not playing day 1s aggressively because it obviously does no good.

I'll check in next week after we hit the deadline and see who we mislynched.

it was more your comment that there couldnt be anymore sorting while proceeding to have an incorrect readslist by at least 2. dont take it literally, im still frustrated, sorry if i demotivated you.

just work thru ur scumreads and flesh them out more. dont stop sorting, do MORE sorting.

[Killthestory]

vig shoot implosion

this is my cover for when i shoot implosion

[Killthestory]

im never policy lynching someone, and this wagon is very scum motivated.

[Killthestory]

that wasnt a policy, nor was i uncomfortable with the wagon formation or the players on the wagon (in that case, the lack of)

[Killthestory]

im never policy lynching someone, and this wagon is very scum motivated.

If it's scum motivated is's very short sited. If I'm scum I'm kicking and screaming to make sure mumble doesn't get lynched day 1 if he's town.

i dont think you understand scum's goals.

[Killthestory]

Scums goal is to think longterm and set them selves up for lylo. Good Scums goal anyway. Bad scum just try to lynch anybody every day phase. Good scum is selective in who they can keep alive to manipulate the game easiest.

good scum can lynch whoever the fuck they want LOL. as scum, mumble is the perfect d1 lynch because he's anti spew, a lurker, and a lynch no one can be blamed for.

this guy lol

[Killthestory]

I beg your pardon?

I told you he’s scum. Nobody listened

probably because you're visibly wrong

[Killthestory]

If we lynch mumble it's a win for town no matter what he flips. Idc what you say.

childish mentality

[Killthestory]

If we lynch mumble it's a win for town no matter what he flips. Idc what you say.

childish mentality

This guy lol.

this warms my heart

Man I hope it's not good scum or we're doomed. If KTS is scum and isn't town we're in trouble.

as scum im a lot more likeable and a lot more controlling (surprise lol). scumgame i enjoy showing: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... y-d6-Mafia. dont worry u arent doomed rn

i think it was referring to something else btw. look like a few posts above.

[Killthestory]

are you 12 or are you just purposefully chastising someone?

me too

[Killthestory]

same tbh

[Killthestory]

get trolled xd

[Killthestory]

VOTE: Luca

[Killthestory]

luca feels like a powerwolf, but it depends on what havo flips. i think i only lynch one of havo or luca.

[Killthestory]

hopkirk can be a villa

[Killthestory]

Well if we're playing against good scum it doesn't matter what we do.

lololololol

[Killthestory]

Well if we're playing against good scum it doesn't matter what we do.

The fact that we’re 35 pages in and this town can’t agree on what color the sky is much less agree on who to lynch, tells me that the scum team is good and we also have some stubborn townies in this game.

...no.

[Killthestory]

Good call on not lynching mumble guys.

Katherine and mumble have provided great catch up's.

smh

[Killthestory]

luca wagon is super pure and super ok.

[Killthestory]

So I have a stuuuuuupid theory. So there's actually a thread in mafia discussion called something like "ethics of scumplay". Basically the point of it is to argue whether questionable things can be excused in the name of scumplay such as toxicity. Here's the application: what if only Cedrick got warned for being toxic because KTS is scum and has that leeway to behave however he wants?

I was warned because I took HIS words of him walking a line between aggressive and asshole and said he crossed it and has been an asshole. I was referring to his play this game and using his words but apparently that was a personal attack despite him saying things about me that weren’t true.

He made a post very early on that I felt was a partial scum slip and part unintelligible. I asked him to repeat himself in a sort of humorous way. I said English please? Because the sentence while containing some English also included a word I’ve never seen before (glgl)

Somehow that was me “throwing a childish tantrum” which imo is a very bad response considering he ignored me.

He made a couple of posts and he didn’t explain it to me so i voted him. I didn’t see why town him would ignore a simple request. He later said that was me “baiting him all game” when all I was doing was trying to understand what he was saying.

To this day I don’t think he ever responded or explained what he said. To me the first part was him saying he rolled village but village isn’t a term to describe town in the flavor of this game. The “glgl me” still has me baffled.

I don’t think he has done anything unethically. I also don’t think I deserved a warning since I kept my words game related as did he. I really fault the mod for not recognizing if me using his own words is “attacking a player” then him saying I’m throwing a childish tantrum would technically be an attack.

I’m in a bad mood lately so maybe I took his post too seriously but I honestly felt his play this game crosses over the line that HE SAYS he walks.

At this point I’m over it. I just don’t want to leave the game I’m heavily invested it over a petty argument. I’m definitely expended more into day one than I should have to and it doesn’t seem to have been productive so I’ll let the better players do the work and if they decide on somebody I’m suspicious of I’ll vote there. Alternatively if somebody posts a slam dunk case to make me consider somebody I haven’t, I’ll go that route also but nobody seems to have a really good case. I don’t either though.

lol

[Killthestory]

Also as soon as KTS realized he wasn't a lynch option he decided to just lit back and lurk.

That's fine we can deal with that day 2. Let's just lynch somebody.

And it's still correct that if I get to page 25 on day one I always get to page 40 lol.

i wasn't a lynch option at the beginning of the game when i actually gave a fuck about the game. game turned into a shitshow where i give +town equity by just giving my reads. don't even need to make solid plays to give town a better chance which is pathetic LOL.

[Killthestory]

I really do think KTS is scummy because of how he handled the discussion about scum picking and choosing who to keep alive. He's a good enough player to know good scum don't try to just lynch anybody. He also stated he'd keep mumble alive if scum and he back tracked on that (refused to admit it, said get trolled even to avoid answering it.)

So I really do think KTS is scum. That lynch isn't gonna happen today so I'm fine with lynching mumble.

how can one man be so wrong.

[Killthestory]

i could hammer right now, but my wim is so dead, i don't even get the same thrill from that. what a potato game.

[Killthestory]

LOL.

glad i didn't hammer you senior mumble. you want to take out luca now?

[Killthestory]

nice.

[Killthestory]

I really do think KTS is scummy because of how he handled the discussion about scum picking and choosing who to keep alive. He's a good enough player to know good scum don't try to just lynch anybody. He also stated he'd keep mumble alive if scum and he back tracked on that (refused to admit it, said get trolled even to avoid answering it.)

So I really do think KTS is scum. That lynch isn't gonna happen today so I'm fine with lynching mumble.

how can one man be so wrong.

The same way one man can think his opinion is better than everyone else's.

get the fuck out of here with your facetious ass argument. i havent said once im better than anyone nor have i implied as such.

and then you wonder why i just dont give a fuck about this game.

[Killthestory]

You've definitely implied and if you don't care that's exactly what's wrong with townies on site. I'd rather you care badly than not to care at all. Idc what you think my opinion is of you. Just play the game.

I literally have no reads with firm reasoning anymore. I just want a lynch.

just stop.

[Killthestory]

VOTE: implosion
luca has good content at the very least.

[Killthestory]

noooo i wasnt gonna lynch u

[Killthestory]

DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW TO PLAY MAFIA

[Killthestory]

ggwp

[Killthestory]

[quote="In post 3267,
KTS: nice job baiting nk I guess? You were kinda abrasive and like honestly it might have been a bad idea for scum to kill you cos I could have seen you making town go fucking mad with your attitude.[/quote]

[Killthestory]

at least my image worked this time

[Killthestory]

what

lmao

[Killthestory]

Taking credit of the D1 lynch.

nah

[Killthestory]

hopkirk ausoka maria saske tchill strong play

[Killthestory]

sure hmu