Sid Meier's Civilization 5 UPick Mafia (GAME OVER)

brassherald · Post Post #25 (isolation #0) » Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:55 pm

Greetings from Brazil.

Please send your Great People here.

VOTE: Kokichi

A 180 on Dunker in back to back posts makes me uneasy.

brassherald · Post Post #28 (isolation #1) » Sat Mar 03, 2018 12:17 am

@Mod For the votes for who is to host the World Congress, are those a "one and done" vote like Delegates?

brassherald · Post Post #31 (isolation #2) » Sat Mar 03, 2018 12:26 am

In post 29, BuJaber wrote:
In post 27, Creature wrote:Hi.

[Anime]

Is there an anime cult? Don't support the tyrany.

I propose an alliance among the non-anime nations.

Second.

brassherald · Post Post #33 (isolation #3) » Sat Mar 03, 2018 12:35 am

In post 25, brassherald wrote:Greetings from Brazil.

Please send your Great People here.

VOTE: Kokichi

A 180 on Dunker in back to back posts makes me uneasy.

Oh, wait, that was Kokichi, then elbrin (Just now having my coffee) but still. I don't like Kokichi's start.

brassherald · Post Post #42 (isolation #4) » Sat Mar 03, 2018 3:36 am

In post 41, Joey_ wrote:Dear soccer fan Nation,

The previous statement is directed at your Nation as well.

Kindly,
Prime Minister of *********

Am I soccer fan Nation?

brassherald · Post Post #43 (isolation #5) » Sat Mar 03, 2018 3:40 am

If I am soccer fan Nation, I had a good reason to reveal my nationality early.

brassherald · Post Post #46 (isolation #6) » Sat Mar 03, 2018 4:06 am

In post 44, Joey_ wrote:
In post 42, brassherald wrote:
In post 41, Joey_ wrote:Dear soccer fan Nation,

The previous statement is directed at your Nation as well.

Kindly,
Prime Minister of *********
Am I soccer fan Nation?
Dear Soccer fan Nation,

Yes you are indeed. Do you prefer to be referred as a Portuguese colony?

Kindly,
Prime Minister of *******

Call me what you'd like, as long as you don't call me late for dinner... Also, as long as I know you are talking to me.

brassherald · Post Post #55 (isolation #7) » Sat Mar 03, 2018 4:33 am

I didn't like Gamma's wall because I had to read too much... Liked it even less when I read it.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

brassherald · Post Post #66 (isolation #8) » Sat Mar 03, 2018 4:48 am

In post 63, Chara wrote:Titus: i don't care about Gamma. i think Dan's reasoning was bad and brass following him on it worse.
i have noted your spin on the situation.

I'm not following on it. I didn't like the post's content

brassherald · Post Post #195 (isolation #9) » Sat Mar 03, 2018 12:15 pm

In post 177, Dunkerdoodles wrote:
In post 91, Venmar wrote:
In post 28, brassherald wrote:
@Mod For the votes for who is to host the World Congress, are those a "one and done" vote like Delegates?

Yes. Once you cast your delegate(s) when voting for a host OR a resolution, you cannot take back the delegates that you have cast for the rest of that voting cycle.
oh

The fact that you used your vote without knowing this troubles me.

VOTE: Dunkerdoodles

brassherald · Post Post #198 (isolation #10) » Sat Mar 03, 2018 12:54 pm

In post 197, Chara wrote:
In post 195, brassherald wrote:The fact that you used your vote without knowing this troubles me.
so you believe that he didn't know that using his vote was permanent, and it bothers you that he voted because he didn't realize it would be?

That is what I said. He uses an important vote without knowing how it works, don't like it

brassherald · Post Post #214 (isolation #11) » Sat Mar 03, 2018 1:57 pm

Let me ask a general question, for the world congress host, do we want to have someone who is definitely town, or definitely a good player?

brassherald · Post Post #220 (isolation #12) » Sat Mar 03, 2018 2:14 pm

Okay, good point. I was just trying to figure out how we determine the host.

brassherald · Post Post #232 (isolation #13) » Sat Mar 03, 2018 2:52 pm

In post 213, Gamma Emerald wrote:So I'm gonna try to break this down

Koki lynched d1
flips scum
Indicates Dunker could have been pushing a buddy as leader
flips town
Dunker probably genuinely trusted Koki

Dunker lynched d1
flips scum
Koki either buddy pushed as leader or town framed or thought of as a leader who would be weak
flips town
absolutely nothing on Koki

So it would make sense to flip Koki first out of those two
time to see who said the opposite, they're probably scum
btw this has nothing to do with my actual lynching plans, I think Koki is town and don't really have a read on Dunker yet

Wait, why would you want to flip Koki if you think Koki is town?

brassherald · Post Post #264 (isolation #14) » Sat Mar 03, 2018 11:37 pm

In post 256, BuJaber wrote:Is there a reason why people are soft (and in some cases hard) claiming their civs? I sort of got the impression from OP it's best not to.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I felt a hard claim of my civ was a good move. I have my reasons, everyone will see why later.

brassherald · Post Post #294 (isolation #15) » Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:52 am

In post 292, Shaziro wrote:I could go for a Chara WCL.

Chara has shown more effort than many, including myself, looking at ISOs, I'd be cool with Chara hosting.

Also, Chara asked me a question a while back, and my answer now is, I don't remember why I didn't like it.

Can I ask why the Creature votes, I looked through his iso and he's done nothing that warrants much attention either way, in my view.

For now, VOTE: BuJaber, I don't understand any of his reasoning. At all.

brassherald · Post Post #347 (isolation #16) » Sun Mar 04, 2018 11:48 am

If creature is known for doing nothing as scum.

VOTE: Creature

brassherald · Post Post #389 (isolation #17) » Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:02 pm

In post 385, Joey_ wrote:Dear Nation of the UN Council,

We have been largely unhappy with our active denunciation for a while but we hardly found any other Nation that deserved to be scrutinized further. This status-quo ended and we are happy to denounces the Soccer Fan Nation (VOTE: Brassherald).

We believe that Chara, Cuckichi and Totus are all very good candidate Host and should be voted. We can only hope everyone shares our enthusiasm in working alongside said Great Nations.

Kindly,
Prime Minister of *****

What deserves to be scrutinized about me?

brassherald · Post Post #394 (isolation #18) » Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:15 pm

The time will come when what I do becomes clear.

brassherald · Post Post #396 (isolation #19) » Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:26 pm

UNVOTE:

brassherald · Post Post #400 (isolation #20) » Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:37 pm

In post 398, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 396, brassherald wrote:UNVOTE:
what

I unvoted Creature, I no longer want his wagon to have 5 people on it.

brassherald · Post Post #403 (isolation #21) » Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:40 pm

VOTE: Ranmaru

brassherald · Post Post #408 (isolation #22) » Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:43 pm

In post 406, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why are people voting Ran all of a sudden

It's all about wagons.

brassherald · Post Post #410 (isolation #23) » Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:45 pm

In post 409, Ranmaru wrote:I understand Nero Cain's vote. I'm interested in seeing Brass explain his vote.

I promise to explain it before the end of Day 1.

brassherald · Post Post #414 (isolation #24) » Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:48 pm

In post 411, Ranmaru wrote:No, explain it now.

I'm sheeping Nero right now.

brassherald · Post Post #422 (isolation #25) » Sun Mar 04, 2018 3:00 pm

In post 416, Ranmaru wrote:Brass, why are you sheeping Nero? Can you explain what Nero is voting me for?

I cannot explain why Nero is voting for you. But, I really cannot explain my play without also ruining it right now, I'm guessing I will be able to reveal in about 24-48 hours, but the play is the play.

And now I will not sheep Nero because, as I said before, it's all about wagons.

VOTE: Almost50

brassherald · Post Post #428 (isolation #26) » Sun Mar 04, 2018 3:12 pm

In post 424, Dunkerdoodles wrote:
In post 422, brassherald wrote:
In post 416, Ranmaru wrote:Brass, why are you sheeping Nero? Can you explain what Nero is voting me for?
I cannot explain why Nero is voting for you. But, I really cannot explain my play without also ruining it right now, I'm guessing I will be able to reveal in about 24-48 hours, but the play is the play.

And now I will not sheep Nero because, as I said before, it's all about wagons.

VOTE: Almost50
literally scumclaim
but gamma's worse

I should be insulted.

brassherald · Post Post #431 (isolation #27) » Sun Mar 04, 2018 3:17 pm

In post 430, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 428, brassherald wrote:I should be insulted.
Well, it is kinda odd that you voted not Gamma.

His wagon is too big.

brassherald · Post Post #462 (isolation #28) » Sun Mar 04, 2018 11:42 pm

Okay time to out my mistakes here. I was trying to act scummy to get people to hop on my wagon. I messed up the slayers gambit last night. Role confirmation incoming.

brassherald · Post Post #464 (isolation #29) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:09 am

In post 461, BuJaber wrote:I still Koki is scum but since I don't have new reasons than what I already said I feeling this might be a lost cause.

I didn't love Koki's reaction to my play after Joey_ voted me, if that helps.

If I said my role was masons with Gamma, what would the general reactions be?

brassherald · Post Post #467 (isolation #30) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:13 am

In post 466, BuJaber wrote:I have more to say about that but are you actually claiming it or not?

I am not, I was toying with that claim or a claim of Masons with Nero for my final part of my gambit.

I'm an innocent child.

brassherald · Post Post #469 (isolation #31) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:18 am

In post 468, BuJaber wrote:So you went from cooking up at least 2 little gambits there to just claiming IC?

You have minimal pressure on you.. why now? Why not continue gambiting?

I messed up the gambit last night, and I don't think I can inspire a push on me now. It might be a mistake, but I have already sent the message to confirm from Venmar.

brassherald · Post Post #472 (isolation #32) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:26 am

In post 471, BuJaber wrote:Even right now why didn't you just say yes I claim mason.. Would be really interesting. Missed a great way to catch scum in whoever you claim as your mason partner.

That's a great point. Poor play on my part.

brassherald · Post Post #474 (isolation #33) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:34 am

In post 473, BuJaber wrote:
In post 472, brassherald wrote:
In post 471, BuJaber wrote:Even right now why didn't you just say yes I claim mason.. Would be really interesting. Missed a great way to catch scum in whoever you claim as your mason partner.
That's a great point. Poor play on my part.

Well anyway are you still happy with your vote on A50 or was that part of appearing scummy?

Actually, I am not super happy with it.

VOTE: Dunkerdoodles

I don't get why he thinks that Gamma was worse than what he called a scum claim. Explain, Dunker.

brassherald · Post Post #485 (isolation #34) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:36 am

In post 477, Joey_ wrote:@brass you realize that being scummy on purpose while softing that your behavior is role related defeats it’s own purpose, even more so considering town is much more inclined to push someome scummy softing than scum knowing you are a real pr. If you wanna slayers gambit then go balls deep, dont half ass it

Okay, learning process. I apologize to all town that I did so poorly at my attempted play. I'm going to get better. I'll probably be the night kill

brassherald · Post Post #499 (isolation #35) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:20 am

It actually also explains why I was asking whether we wanted a conf!town or a good leader. I'll vote for whomever we decide is the runner up for the day, though, when it comes to hosting, though, I will accept the hosting duties, as long as I don't die in the night.

brassherald · Post Post #502 (isolation #36) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:40 am

So, by my count, we should end up, if everyone goes along with me as host, 10 votes for me, not counting my own vote because I believe we need a tie breaker between Kokichi and Elbrin (I'm not positive about him being the other at 3, it could be a different person).

So, I am thinking I cast the vote to a runner up, and decide which we want as our secondary host. Right now, I lean more towards Elbrin than Kokichi, personally, but really, I don't want to decide on the runner up yet. We could also reserve 4 votes to make a runner up if we do not want either Elbrin or Kokichi to be the runner up.

Again, all this is assuming that people will all want me to host as the Innocent Child.

brassherald · Post Post #504 (isolation #37) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:05 am

Looking at the vote count, the magic number is 6.

brassherald · Post Post #509 (isolation #38) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:36 am

In post 508, Shaziro wrote:
In post 506, Creature wrote:What did I miss?
You're following your scum meta to a T and everyone is aware of it, Brass is conftown by mod, Nero is scummy imo, and you have 20 pages to read. Go fill in the gaps.

I also think Dunker is scummy still. I also really don't like this wagon on Gamma right now.

No one has had any great reasons beyond there are quote walls that don't really do anything, but I have seen Gamma before, and that seems to be something he does in general. He was VT in a game and had what I view as similar posts. When I was trying to look scummy, I could neglect to mention this to try and get a wagon on me to analyze before revealing. But, I just don't see how this does not align with what I have seen Gamma do in the past.

brassherald · Post Post #512 (isolation #39) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:52 am

@Elbrin, why didn't you want to host? I'm still a bit unclear on that one.

As to who the runner up should be, right now I am actually leaning towards Joey_. I wouldn't be if he hadn't dropped the gimmick, though, but really, once you get around the gimmicky stuff he was doing early on, I like the actual thoughts. I just didn't like the gimmicks.

brassherald · Post Post #515 (isolation #40) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:05 am

In post 513, Titus wrote:
In post 512, brassherald wrote:@Elbrin, why didn't you want to host? I'm still a bit unclear on that one.

As to who the runner up should be, right now I am actually leaning towards Joey_. I wouldn't be if he hadn't dropped the gimmick, though, but really, once you get around the gimmicky stuff he was doing early on, I like the actual thoughts. I just didn't like the gimmicks.
Dropping gimmicks on request isn't actually townie unless it gets in the way of a specific objective. So I disagree with that.

Is there anyone wagoned you'd want to be host?

Of the current wagons, Elbirn, though I don't want to make Elbirn the runner up if he has a good reason not to want it. Also, sorry for misspelling your name earlier Elbirn.

I'm against a choice of Kokichi. I wouldn't have a fit if enough people wanted you. No one else really has a wagon.

brassherald · Post Post #516 (isolation #41) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:07 am

It's probably easiest for me to list the people I am flat out against making the runner up.

Kokichi, Dunker, Almost50, and Creature.

brassherald · Post Post #520 (isolation #42) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:14 am

Okay, let's discuss Elbirn.

brassherald · Post Post #525 (isolation #43) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:23 am

In post 524, Nero Cain wrote:Elbrin doesn't want to be host (and I assume 2nd place too). Varsoon?

Why Varsoon?

brassherald · Post Post #533 (isolation #44) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:29 am

I could agree on Varsoon. He's not in my "I refuse" list, or seem to be a real wildcard when I review his stuff. I don't want someone coming in as the runner up and being totally unpredictable. What nation would elect someone who they cannot predict as a leader, perhaps someone with no record in government and an issue with using Twitter too much.

brassherald · Post Post #536 (isolation #45) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:30 am

In post 532, pidgey wrote:HEAL: Titus I have a good feeling about this slot.

And this changes the math completely. I'm adding pidgey to my "Absolutely not" list for runner ups.

brassherald · Post Post #539 (isolation #46) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:31 am

In post 536, brassherald wrote:
In post 532, pidgey wrote:HEAL: Titus I have a good feeling about this slot.
And this changes the math completely. I'm adding pidgey to my "Absolutely not" list for runner ups.

To be clear, this is not because I scum read pidgey, but I don't trust he will actually read enough to be leader after that.

brassherald · Post Post #548 (isolation #47) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:36 am

In post 542, Titus wrote:
In post 532, pidgey wrote:HEAL: Titus I have a good feeling about this slot.
Why? I just questioned you, you random vote to heal me while hardly engaging my substance.

I just did the math, by the way, pidgey just removed anyone without 3 votes on them from the race by doing that bs.

So, basically, thanks to pidgey, we cannot get anyone other than Kokichi, Elbirn and Titus up to 4 votes and myself up to 5 votes.

Of the three, Titus for me.

brassherald · Post Post #549 (isolation #48) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:37 am

I don't want to push Elbirn in if he doesn't want it.

brassherald · Post Post #557 (isolation #49) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:45 am

In post 555, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 464, brassherald wrote:
In post 461, BuJaber wrote:I still Koki is scum but since I don't have new reasons than what I already said I feeling this might be a lost cause.
I didn't love Koki's reaction to my play after Joey_ voted me, if that helps.

If I said my role was masons with Gamma, what would the general reactions be?
Eh?
I don't think we are connected cos my country has very little connections with yours I think?
btw I don't think anyone would be able to guess my role from my country so I'm fine saying I left very clear crumbs early on

Oh, goodness, watching this catch up is kind of getting funny.

brassherald · Post Post #578 (isolation #50) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:08 am

Since my post seems to have been lost to the internet ether. Kokichi is both a scumlean for me and in my view, a bit of a wild card. Even if he was townlean from me, I don't want someone who is as unpredictable as I have seen him be.

brassherald · Post Post #579 (isolation #51) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:09 am

In post 572, pidgey wrote:WHY DID NO ONE TOLD ME BRASS WAS CONF TOWN WHILE I WAS REREADING.

Sorry should have made you host.

Now I get why you are mad at me, and now I get not to make votes or posts before fully catching up.

Also im lame

I mean, I didn't mention it because I thought you would finish reading before making a vote you cannot withdraw.

brassherald · Post Post #582 (isolation #52) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:11 am

In post 580, pidgey wrote:
In post 542, Titus wrote:
In post 532, pidgey wrote:HEAL: Titus I have a good feeling about this slot.
Why? I just questioned you, you random vote to heal me while hardly engaging my substance.

In post 498, Klazam wrote:I like how shaziro approached that. Also BuJaber's post on the host thing is goodposting.

Leaving vote there, though.
Like, I know i kinda went AFK for 2 days so i suck, but why do posts like these have not tingled anyone?

It was pinging me a bit as well, I've been more concerned about the runner up on hosting than that, but I remember seeing that and going "Weird"

brassherald · Post Post #587 (isolation #53) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:18 am

In post 583, Nero Cain wrote:
Brass
-Are you town reading Titus? I'm not really against her being the backup either.

I'd say a solid town lean on the slot from me. Also, she seems to be pretty level headed and not against being a leader, two qualities I cannot say that the other two choices have.

Reviewing her iso makes me feel better about a choice of her as runner up.

brassherald · Post Post #596 (isolation #54) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:38 am

In post 591, Varsoon wrote:
In post 538, pidgey wrote:
I felt that way a bit about Gamma at first, but the more I read him, the more I also realized he is the perfect candidate to FOS and not get heat from doing that. He'splaying like the typical guy you can leave a vote on and not get attacked for it. So I dunno, I think he might be lynch bait for D1.
I'm really curious what you see that makes you think he's D1 lynchbait. Can you go more into that? I think he's playing what he feels is a competent game, but I don't really see it as a town game. B-sides, I've also caught some votes afterwards, too, so I think I've gotten a little heat for my meat.

In post 572, pidgey wrote:WHY DID NO ONE TOLD ME BRASS WAS CONF TOWN WHILE I WAS REREADING.

Sorry should have made you host.

Now I get why you are mad at me, and now I get not to make votes or posts before fully catching up.

Also im lame
Yeah, if only someone like the mod made a post about it. I'd be more critical if Venmar had sent out a PM about this game-changing revelation (not common for ICs confirming, though) or, at least, updated the first post to reflect Brass' IC status. Still, dude, why were you making UNCHANGABLE VOTES before a full catchup?

Also:
@Brass:
I get you were going for a slayer's gambit, but did you get any worthwhile info from it? What do you feel about Joey's constant pushes at your crumbing? Also, why not just reveal IC earlier in a game where people can't take back their world congress votes? I'd say you're fine with how you played it, but, obviously, players can still vote differently and feign IC ignorance because they were 'catching up'.

I think I found a scum in Dunkerdoodles. I'm not sure on Joey, really. But I did get a few town reads from it.

I was also toying very early with just revealing and saying "Make me host"

brassherald · Post Post #602 (isolation #55) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:43 am

I would like to say to the Gamma issues, I had a game where I replaced in after him, he was a VT. His posts ooze with confidence that he's doing the right thing, I just don't ever understand what his thoughts are.

Newbie 1849 viewtopic.php?f=11&t=74730

brassherald · Post Post #616 (isolation #56) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:20 am

VOTE: Klazaam

I support this wagon.

Also, am I supposed to pretend that I don't know what nation Gamma is?

brassherald · Post Post #620 (isolation #57) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:30 am

Do we get the resolutions during day 1?

brassherald · Post Post #624 (isolation #58) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:19 am

Here's my issue with a pidgey scum claim based on that vote. While I was upset at first and I overreacted as well, that's on me, the only possible way that I can see scum really benefitting from it is if (a) he knew that the vote would limit us to three possible runner ups, and (b) at least two of the three possible runner ups are scum. (Again, assuming I end up as the host, which seems to be the general consensus despite a few of the non-committed votes being absent.)

I just am not willing to make both of those assumptions to jump to scum!pidgey.

Also, A50 is sus himself.

brassherald · Post Post #626 (isolation #59) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:30 am

In post 625, Titus wrote:I'd tailor b) to that the three people predictable would benefit scum not that they'd be scum themselves.

Also A50 showing when Klazam gets a wagon is noted.

I will agree to the stipulated edit.

brassherald · Post Post #627 (isolation #60) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:31 am

In post 626, brassherald wrote:
In post 625, Titus wrote:I'd tailor b) to that the three people predictable would benefit scum not that they'd be scum themselves.

Also A50 showing when Klazam gets a wagon is noted.
I will agree to the proposed* edit.

EBWOP

Stupid brain while I'm trying to do stipulations cannot think of other words.

brassherald · Post Post #629 (isolation #61) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:00 am

In post 628, Shaziro wrote:Let me read on Klazam. I want Titus as second highest and Brass as highest for WC, 100%. Tell me where to vote to make that happen, I'll do it. Now, a short rant.

How in the fuck did you join in 2011 and yet have no idea that AI means Alignment Indicative and also not know not to go and freakin' throw out a vote you -can't move- on somebody based on what I think you said was like 4 pages of reading, out of a damn 20-something page game. Jesus fuck I hate it when people don't even -skim- the game to catch up before making big calls, AAAAAAAAAGH.

In non-rant news, I still want to hear from ActionDan, and also A50 is 100% scum in my mind if Klazam flips scum, based on the way he just tried to distract from the suddenly building wagon on Klazam with some super weak sauce. Yeah, it was a shitty dumb thing to do that scum -could- have motivation to do, but a vote on pidgey might as well be a non-vote at this juncture, and A50 should know that. Gross.

Vote me for host, then. I think the best way to do this, is get all remaining votes on me, and I will cast the last vote to Titus.

Being assured town, there is no reason for me to screw anyone over by lying about what I am doing with my vote.

brassherald · Post Post #630 (isolation #62) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:16 am

Oh, wait, you meant the other vote. Oops.

brassherald · Post Post #635 (isolation #63) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:40 am

In post 634, Joey_ wrote:Shazam = shaziro, im bad with names

I thought you mean Klazam for a second and I was wondering what you were smoking.

brassherald · Post Post #647 (isolation #64) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:36 am

@mod if we get to the point where the host for the world congress and the runner up are set and cannot be altered even though there may be some delegates not cast, would that set off the world congress, or do we need to wait for all delegates to be cast?

brassherald · Post Post #649 (isolation #65) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:40 am

Waiting for mod confirmation, but if the last question ends up as a "yes", I think when we are down to three delegates remaining, two go to Titus, rather than waiting for mine alone. If Assemble replaces out, I really do not feel like waiting for a replacement to move on from the Hosting votes when we are set on host and runner up.

brassherald · Post Post #652 (isolation #66) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:48 am

In post 651, Varsoon wrote:
@Brass:
Dunno if you got back to me or whatever, but did you figure anything out from your attempt at gambiting around IC? iirc you didn't have anything conclusive, but I could be wrong and also you've had more time to think on it now.

I did respond, but, I really think Dunker is scum.

I also got a few town reads from it, but not as much as I was hoping. I do think revealing with the World Congress still up for grabs ended up being a better play than anything I was able to do with my gambit, though.

brassherald · Post Post #655 (isolation #67) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:02 am

In post 653, Varsoon wrote:Why Dunker for scum?

And what are the townreads/why? I'm having issues sinking my teeth into this setup, so any bit of insight is nice.

If ya don't wanna share for -reasons-, I can get that, I guess.
I also think the World Congress play is probably for the best, yes.

I just find when Dunker tried to say I made a scum claim, but still pushed a Gamma lynch for Gamma being "worse" when there is no explanation for it seems to me like a scum move. I think Gamma is likely town, personally, and Dunk's actions scream to me of scum trying to get the mislynch on one today, then set up a mislynch of me tomorrow.

I also think that Chara is likely town as she was the first to call out my scummy behavior, which is also why I kind of like Joey_ for a town read as well. WIFOM, perhaps, but scum at the time were the only ones who knew I was not aligned with them. Seems too conspicuous to vote the way they were when it was going to be a mislynch in the end.

I also like that throughout the time I was throwing my vote around, Ranmaru was calmly questioning. I'd townlean on that.

As to Dunk being common mislynch bait, I am not aware of Dunk's meta.

brassherald · Post Post #661 (isolation #68) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:21 am

In post 659, Almost50 wrote:So, nobody actually solved my riddle, or even tried! Nice!

Your riddle is not written in a language that means anything at all to me

brassherald · Post Post #663 (isolation #69) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:25 am

In post 662, Varsoon wrote:
In post 659, Almost50 wrote:So, nobody actually solved my riddle, or even tried! Nice!
...you posted a riddle?

I would dispute that what he is calling a riddle is actually a riddle.

brassherald · Post Post #674 (isolation #70) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:52 am

In post 671, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 578, brassherald wrote:Since my post seems to have been lost to the internet ether. Kokichi is both a scumlean for me and in my view, a bit of a wild card. Even if he was townlean from me, I don't want someone who is as unpredictable as I have seen him be.
Now I'm glad you'll likely be N1'd. I've caught you when you were obvious scum before. Do you find my game different than the one you replaced out of when I caught you as scum?

Yes that's part of my issue here. You were town there.

And please don't imply that I replaced out because of you. If you read the dead thread you know why I replaced

brassherald · Post Post #690 (isolation #71) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:10 pm

Okay Kokichi is town, he's being just as unbearable as ever now. That's what I saw in the past that I hadn't seen here

brassherald · Post Post #694 (isolation #72) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:20 pm

Since the host also gets extra delegates, it's better to give those to a town this likely going to die than a possible scum who lives.

brassherald · Post Post #695 (isolation #73) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:21 pm

Also, some people can be honest without being a douchebag. I don't think you can, Kokichi.

brassherald · Post Post #701 (isolation #74) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:48 pm

In post 698, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 695, brassherald wrote:Also, some people can be honest without being a douchebag. I don't think you can, Kokichi.
Apologies if I hurt your feelings, wasn't the intention. Do you forgive me?

No my feelings aren't hurt. I'm just calling it as I see it. I'd rather have someone be a douche and tell me the truth than be nice and lie to me, but there are some people who I will absolutely scum read if they don't do the first. Don't sugarcoat stuff, but I'm fully going to use that for my reads

brassherald · Post Post #819 (isolation #75) » Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:00 am

I'm reading it, and I think from hosting, the host gets 1 extra delegate for the day hosted (Here, day 1) We are choosing a host for TODAY, not for tomorrow. Kokichi, could you just reread the World Congress mechanic and see if I'm correct?

brassherald · Post Post #821 (isolation #76) » Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:11 am

In post 820, Kokichi Oma wrote:Yes. But host gets an extra vote. We need for that person to be alive. To have more influence.

I think it limits the extra vote to today's vote. Not over time when I said the host got extra permanent delegates, I was mistaken.

Every day, the playerbase will vote amongst themselves who among them should be the Host of the World Congress. The Host gets an additional delegate
for the day
, and gets to choose a resolution from a list for the playerbase to vote on. The player with the second highest amount of votes for Host will choose a second resolution to vote for.

(emphasis added)

brassherald · Post Post #827 (isolation #77) » Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:31 am

FYI, I bookmarked that game for IC advice to read perhaps tonight. I was shocked by it in this game and was not really sure what to do, I wish there were like strategy guides to power roles sometimes.

brassherald · Post Post #829 (isolation #78) » Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:43 am

Good idea. I'll be doing some of that tonight. Today I won't be posting much as I need to defend a deposition.

brassherald · Post Post #858 (isolation #79) » Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:41 am

I still think Gamma is likely a comrade in arms to the town right now. I'm at least townleaning, but there seems to be a disagreement.

If we aren't going to finish setting up the World Congress today and getting a totally awesome resolution to be voting on, then, I would like to discuss Mr. Emerald and see if we can come to a meeting of the two factions, say an East and West that seem to have some wall between them.

brassherald · Post Post #862 (isolation #80) » Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:48 am

In post 861, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 858, brassherald wrote:I still think Gamma is likely a comrade in arms to the town right now. I'm at least townleaning, but there seems to be a disagreement.

If we aren't going to finish setting up the World Congress today and getting a totally awesome resolution to be voting on, then, I would like to discuss Mr. Emerald and see if we can come to a meeting of the two factions, say an East and West that seem to have some wall between them.
Have you decoded my crumbs yet or is this just really lucky that you said this

I figured it out pretty early in the day yesterday, I have honestly been waiting to see if anyone else called it out.

I may have been a little too on the nose here.

brassherald · Post Post #877 (isolation #81) » Tue Mar 06, 2018 4:12 am

In post 871, Titus wrote:
In post 866, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 799, marshy wrote:
In post 763, Varsoon wrote:Nothing is scummy about jockeying for votes on a wagon normally, but it could be, circumstantially, and definitely in the face of making the IC world congress leader.
But you get my point, yeah?
i get your point that townies cannot be cleared off of scum lynches

i dont get your point about me being the worst on the wagon. like do you think im just gonna say "oh yeah youre totally justified to push a townie cuz of multiball spec"?

lol this guy once again

in other news i am getting really anxious for a50 to flip but i do enjoy the klazam wagon.
first world problems man
In any other game I'd ignore this but it feels like a soft
Why highlight perceived softs?

To be fair to Gamma, I did just basically reveal to everyone that I have figured out his nation.

Going through ISOs, I know 3 for sure, one I am pretty sure was not a lie.

Then there are 2-4 that I have a guess on for nations, but this is important only because I think I may have found that we do have a delegate from India.

brassherald · Post Post #881 (isolation #82) » Tue Mar 06, 2018 4:23 am

In post 879, Titus wrote:
In post 877, brassherald wrote:
In post 871, Titus wrote:
In post 866, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 799, marshy wrote:
In post 763, Varsoon wrote:Nothing is scummy about jockeying for votes on a wagon normally, but it could be, circumstantially, and definitely in the face of making the IC world congress leader.
But you get my point, yeah?
i get your point that townies cannot be cleared off of scum lynches

i dont get your point about me being the worst on the wagon. like do you think im just gonna say "oh yeah youre totally justified to push a townie cuz of multiball spec"?

lol this guy once again

in other news i am getting really anxious for a50 to flip but i do enjoy the klazam wagon.
first world problems man
In any other game I'd ignore this but it feels like a soft
Why highlight perceived softs?
To be fair to Gamma, I did just basically reveal to everyone that I have figured out his nation.

Going through ISOs, I know 3 for sure, one I am pretty sure was not a lie.

Then there are 2-4 that I have a guess on for nations, but this is important only because I think I may have found that we do have a delegate from India.
Why is important to out this as roles could link to civs?

It isn't and I'm not outing anyone else, promise. I'm just going to say I've got my eye out for civilization roles.

brassherald · Post Post #884 (isolation #83) » Tue Mar 06, 2018 5:11 am

In post 883, marshy wrote:a50/creature/klazam are all great plays

I like this. (My client is late to my meeting, so, going to just lurk around here as I wait for him)

brassherald · Post Post #893 (isolation #84) » Tue Mar 06, 2018 5:39 am

In post 890, BuJaber wrote:Why am I scum suddenly? Odd coming from you specifically.

@brass - where are you going with this? I don't see how civs would be AI so I didn't pay attention to people softing their civs.

Mostly I was being entertained a bit by it. But, if I'm right on India, we know from post 1 that Ghandi is a VT

brassherald · Post Post #896 (isolation #85) » Tue Mar 06, 2018 5:44 am

In post 895, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 889, Gamma Emerald wrote:explain how I'm "being dense"
Remember that time you kept claiming that I was pushing Joey for rolefishing despite Joey himself saying that he knew I wasn't pushing him for rolefishing. I also feel like its a bit lame to call me dense for calling you on parroting. If you wanna get mad and thrown a hissy fit so be it.

I'd like to hear more on why you found Bujaber suspicious.

I do find the BuJaber scum lean a bit odd, considering the game to my memory

brassherald · Post Post #940 (isolation #86) » Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:20 am

Can we discuss why Joda is not town?

brassherald · Post Post #945 (isolation #87) » Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:34 am

In post 943, Chara wrote:brass: are you asking me why Joda is scummy?
pedit:
VOTE: Creature
haha.

I am more accurately saying I find that Joda is scummy, we should discuss.

Also, while Klazam (Or whatever that person's name is) is scummy as well, I am most upset that Creature will basically be holding us up with the World Congress. Scum move to me.

VOTE: Creature

Let's have a Delegate cast from that slot. I want to pressure the people who have not delegated yet to do so so that I can cast the tiebreaker and move this game forward.

brassherald · Post Post #966 (isolation #88) » Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:03 pm

This Titus v. Kokichi thing really makes me want to thrust the mantle onto Elbirn and laugh as the town does what town does best and screws over three people at once.

brassherald · Post Post #975 (isolation #89) » Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:34 pm

UNVOTE:

brassherald · Post Post #1015 (isolation #90) » Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:34 pm

In post 1013, ActionDan wrote:Activity overview:

Gamma Emerald: 126 posts.

Impressive.

My man, I can't help but notice your vote for World Congress host is not yet cast...

brassherald · Post Post #1020 (isolation #91) » Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:51 pm

In post 1017, ActionDan wrote:If he swings 2nd place to Non-Kokichi I'll do that.

I'm going to be putting it on Titus, as discussed before, but right now, your vote, Creature's vote and Kiana's vote are out there. As the only confirmed town in the game, I'm holding on to my vote to make sure that none of the three remaining delegates are put in by a rogue voter.

brassherald · Post Post #1027 (isolation #92) » Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:20 pm

As a reminder, I just want to start the world congress, and runner up only gets to choose a resolution to suggest. It does not get extra voting power, so I'm at the point where there is no clear advantage or disadvantage to town based upon whom the runner up is as long as we use our heads with the resolution proposed.

I will say this, everyone here may have different opinions, but all of us who got green roles can think and figure out what to do after the resolutions are proposed.

I just don't think all this talk about a runner up is as useful as just getting to the actual resolutions at this point.

brassherald · Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:54 pm

In post 1042, Nero Cain wrote:[7] brassherald: Nero Cain (1), Shaziro (1), Chara (1), Jodaxq (1), ranmaru (1), ActionDan (1), Gamma Emerald (1)
[3] Kokichi Oma: Kokichi Oma (1), Dunkerdoodles (1), Joey_ (1)
[3] Elbirn: Elbirn (1), Bujaber (1), Varsoon (1)
[3] Titus: Titus (1), marshy (1), pidgey (1)

Of the wagons with 3 delegates, I prefer Titus.

not voting: Kiana Kaslana (1), brassherald (1), Creature (1).

Both Brass and Gamma should vote Titus putting her at 5. Kiana can vote Brass meaning Creatures lone vote won't affect anything and thus we should get our resolutions by then.

Its already getting close to 50 pages. Let's get this show on the road.

Adjusted for accuracy. Creature and Kiana left, but seeing as how Kiana is catching up and may not be back until tomorrow/Friday and Creature is doing whatever he was doing.

HEAL: for host = Titus

Kiana should also cast a delegate for Titus I believe.

Gamma already cast his vote, and I don't know what Creature is doing.

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:24 am

In post 1065, Kokichi Oma wrote:Creature and Kiana sneak your votes for me. Let's make this Civilization great again.

I've already explained why it doesn't matter so much who the runner up is, I chose Titus simply because enough people want to see her resolution. Other than choosing the resolution, the two of you have exactly the same say in what actually happens.

Also, asking obvious scum to vote for you may not be the best idea as town... I'm considering whether this is AI or not.

brassherald · Post Post #1073 (isolation #95) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:39 am

I'm like 80% on Gamma being town by the way. And lynching town is a bad thing.

I'll admit, it's not a huge town read but I really do not understand the wagon on him

brassherald · Post Post #1082 (isolation #96) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:45 am

I just wanted to pressure Creature into voting for the host already. It seems that pressure does not work when he's lurking though.

brassherald · Post Post #1085 (isolation #97) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:47 am

Just being confirmed town doesn't mean I'm not going to make mistakes though. Clearly don't accuse me as scum but please question my play if it might be bad at any point

brassherald · Post Post #1131 (isolation #98) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:49 am

In post 1129, Chara wrote:
In post 1127, BuJaber wrote:Anyway..
Any thoughts on Kiana? Anyone played with her before?
everyone she said hello to in her first post.
why Kiana? she's been V/LA and has not done anything.

I think it's just trying to get an idea on a new player. I was also briefly in a Kiana game where both of us have replaced out and is ongoing so I can't say anything about the game itself.

I doubt she really likes me at all, though.

brassherald · Post Post #1132 (isolation #99) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:49 am

In post 1130, Creature wrote:
In post 1119, Chara wrote:Titus. Creature is posting elsewhere.
Pretty sure yesterday I had no internet, so no.

Please cast a delegate vote.

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:55 am

In post 1136, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1135, Creature wrote:
In post 1132, brassherald wrote:
In post 1130, Creature wrote:
In post 1119, Chara wrote:Titus. Creature is posting elsewhere.
Pretty sure yesterday I had no internet, so no.
Please cast a delegate vote.
Who do you recommend?
Titus

Agreed

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:58 am

In post 1138, Creature wrote:Why Titus over brassherald?

A vote for Titus will assure that we have myself as host, Titus as runner up. Then Kiana just needs to use her delegate as soon as she returns to kick it off.

I don't want the last one to possibly tie up the runner up and find out what happens if there are two runnerups.

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 6:27 am

In post 1153, Titus wrote:Looking at the wagons, at least 1 is probably scum. Too much investment otherwise.

I think this should lock the WC hosts. Then Kiana can vote Brass.

We have the resolutions incoming, according to the last Maestro post. Welcome to Rio de Janeiro, which despite not being the capital of Brazil is likely where the World Congress would be hosted.

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 6:34 am

In post 1157, Gamma Emerald wrote:Brass is at 7, you're at 5, one delegate remains

1150

It's done

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 6:50 am

VOTE: Nero Cain

I want to give Creature a chance right now to catch up and post and show he is not scum.

Swaying on my Klazam read a bit.

Nero is the only one left, then if we are to assume one wagon is real scum, which seems reasonable.

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 7:23 am

In post 1171, Kokichi Oma wrote:Okay. Brass and Titus what did the PMs say. Also Creature is 100% the lynch. Brass trust us who have meta on him, this is 100% his scum game. I also highly recommend vigging Klazam.

No PMs yet.

I'll keep an eye out as much as I can for them.

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 7:39 am

The list of resolutions is in, I asked the mod for confirmation of whether I am allowed to discuss the contents as I do not want to be modkilled for violating rules.

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 7:42 am

In post 1183, Titus wrote:
In post 1178, brassherald wrote:The list of resolutions is in, I asked the mod for confirmation of whether I am allowed to discuss the contents as I do not want to be modkilled for violating rules.
Correct. I do think there's one I think I should do to you but it may backfire if I misunderstand it. Do you see what I see?

I'm 99% sure I had the same thought, actually.

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 7:44 am

Answer is we can share contents, but not the actual quotes. I, unfortunately do not currently have the time to actually sit down and paraphrase the resolutions I have. But, Titus, I believe the Congressional Peacekeeping on me may be your best move. Feel free to summarize what you can in my stead and I will add anything I feel needs adding should I feel that.

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 7:55 am

In post 1190, Titus wrote:
In post 1186, brassherald wrote:Answer is we can share contents, but not the actual quotes. I, unfortunately do not currently have the time to actually sit down and paraphrase the resolutions I have. But, Titus, I believe the Congressional Peacekeeping on me may be your best move. Feel free to summarize what you can in my stead and I will add anything I feel needs adding should I feel that.
I concur. It should either jail or roleblock you. The former is best. The latter is neutral but useful to know.

I'm leaning towards jail because we cannot perform this on consecutive days. I would speculate that this part was added specifically to counteract me revealing day 1, then continually getting someone to Protect me with that resolution.

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 7:56 am

We can embargo gold, crab, or silk. We can embargo City-states as well. I have no frame of reference for any of the embargo abilities.

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 7:58 am

Wait, we embargo a player or city states.

We can ban gold, silk or crab.

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 8:15 am

In post 1200, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 1196, brassherald wrote:We can ban gold, silk or crab.
What does this mean?

We have a ban gold, ban silk, or ban crab option to put up. We get to vote on a temporary ban of these luxury resources.

I have no relevant information that will help with it, and I have a feeling that the people who do know about it will not step forward with it since these luxury resources may have to do with their wincon.

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 8:20 am

I have to give a list of three, I am thinking my three may be banning the luxury resources.

I am uncomfortable with any permanent ones, which are for conservation of natural wonders, world wonders, or the embargo of city states.

We can also temporarily increase the funding of the arts or sciences, but again, not sure what those do.

I kind of want to ban a luxury item if only to see if it has any effect tomorrow.

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 8:25 am

We also need to pick within 24 hours.

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 8:47 am

I'll make a summary of all of them in one post after I get home tonight.

I don't think any are as clear as the Peacekeeping one, and even that one is a bit of a leap of faith for us to think it's a straight Jailkeep.

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:05 am

Joey_ wrote:
In post 1160, brassherald wrote:VOTE: Nero Cain

I want to give Creature a chance right now to catch up and post and show he is not scum.

Swaying on my Klazam read a bit.

Nero is the only one left, then if we are to assume one wagon is real scum, which seems reasonable.
Hes town

I hear you, until we get a resolution up for votes, I'm just going to remove my lynch vote. We have plenty of time.

UNVOTE:

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:16 am

In post 1222, Joey_ wrote:
In post 1218, brassherald wrote:
Joey_ wrote:
In post 1160, brassherald wrote:VOTE: Nero Cain

I want to give Creature a chance right now to catch up and post and show he is not scum.

Swaying on my Klazam read a bit.

Nero is the only one left, then if we are to assume one wagon is real scum, which seems reasonable.
Hes town
I hear you, until we get a resolution up for votes, I'm just going to remove my lynch vote. We have plenty of time.

UNVOTE:
Thanks, also im kinda bummed that only two players get to see the resolutions, and i dont understand the concept of luxuries in this setup, is there more info in the pm?

Very little, upon a reread, I did realize that Gold is somehow tied to religion, as well. It references religious gold being particularly bad.

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:25 am

In post 1226, Klazam wrote:Guess I'm done with that line of questioning. I trust you none at all, and I propose we don't listen to you.

Don't ban gold.

Do you know what gold does though?

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:46 am

You know what, I've changed my mind, I'm conftown anyway. And all are a bit vague. I will be submitting my choice for the resolution on my own at this point. I believe the choices are clear to me at this time, despite not necessarily knowing what any one of them does.

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:48 am

To be clear, I just don't think we are getting any information until we start voting on the resolutions themselves. I am going to choose the ones that will net more information than less.

p-Edit: I think Creature is likely scum at this point.

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:54 am

I've done my part, Titus, I would suggest you do the same, and lets get to delegate voting.

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:20 am

In post 1246, Nero Cain wrote:Why in the world would Brass think I'm scum?

Reaction fishing.

I put my top choice as ban silk, then arts research, then ban crabs. I was just driving home in a blizzard so couldn't say before

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:22 am

In post 1250, Titus wrote:
In post 1249, brassherald wrote:
In post 1246, Nero Cain wrote:Why in the world would Brass think I'm scum?
Reaction fishing.

I put my top choice as ban silk, then arts research, then ban crabs. I was just driving home in a blizzard so couldn't say before
Did you have to put in a specific player for arts funding?

No that one is just general. Science is specific

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:34 am

In post 1253, Elbirn wrote:
In post 1223, brassherald wrote:
In post 1222, Joey_ wrote:
In post 1218, brassherald wrote:
Joey_ wrote:
In post 1160, brassherald wrote:VOTE: Nero Cain

I want to give Creature a chance right now to catch up and post and show he is not scum.

Swaying on my Klazam read a bit.

Nero is the only one left, then if we are to assume one wagon is real scum, which seems reasonable.
Hes town
I hear you, until we get a resolution up for votes, I'm just going to remove my lynch vote. We have plenty of time.

UNVOTE:
Thanks, also im kinda bummed that only two players get to see the resolutions, and i dont understand the concept of luxuries in this setup, is there more info in the pm?
Very little, upon a reread, I did realize that Gold is somehow tied to religion, as well. It references religious gold being particularly bad.
Tithe? The in game religious policy?

I don't know that I want to speculate too much about the luxuries, it's probable that they're tied to certain civs and banning them hurts them. So it's pretty much rolefishing and screwing townies potentially, and considering everyone's confusion over them maybe we don't even know that we have them yet.

I'm kind of meh about these options, aside from peace keeper on brass.

It may screw over the scums too, though. None were clear to me outside of the Peacekeeper.

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:41 am

We needed to submit three ranked.

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:42 am

And I chose silk as my top option because, the way it is phrased, it seems like the one that is most likely tied to scum.

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:49 am

I am told I cannot directly quote it, I will also not retype it, but gold seemed more religion and greed based, might be a cult or something like that based on it.

Silk did reference the worst kind of people to be associated with it.

Crabs are said to be endangered.

I think we get the Peacekeeper from Titus' choices because I intentionally did not list it, as I cannot target myself.

I think silk will give us more information day 1 than gold, from the way I read it.

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:54 am

In post 1270, Kokichi Oma wrote:I think I'd go banning Silk and Gold then in that case.

What do you think of Titus purposely leaving Gold off her over an embargo?

I don't know, I think the Peacekeeping one is the best one for her, I would rather her replace the embargo with the gold ban, but it is her choice.

Titus, if you have not already submitted would you be willing to submit a gold ban as your second choice?

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:59 am

I'm trying to be diplomatic about it and polite. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:06 pm

In post 1279, Gamma Emerald wrote:Crab is probably something like Canada or United States (Alaska)
dunno about gold

Maryland is a Crab place as well, so probably America for crabs

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:08 pm

Gold could be Aztec? Anyone want to claim Aztec? Lol

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:18 pm

I just think one of the luxuries will give us more information than any of the others, and right now information is the thing I am looking for.

Nero Cain wrote:eh, I guess. I just think of Gold and wealth more with Inca than Aztecs but yeah you are right, it could be aztec.

Though I never seem to get gold when I play as aztecs though

I only played Brazil or Germany in Civ V, so I don't know game-wise, but historically, and based on the religious subtext of the description which I have alluded to, Aztec seemed a pretty decent guess.

But, I am going to amend it to Mayan as my guess now, and maybe Venetian, I overlooked a possible hint as just a reference to the Gods and Kings expansion.

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:19 pm

In post 1295, Titus wrote:
In post 1293, pidgey wrote:Im gonna stay out of this whole debate because I have no clue as to any of the topics we've talked in the last 4 pages and it really won't matter regarding scumhunting for at least another game day.

IMO as diplomatic as brass is being, as the only confirmed town he should just do what he feels is the best for his protection, and let's move past this.
Correct. As not confirmed town, I sought discussion on my choices.

Yeah, just put the gold in the middle choice, and let's get this going. I think we get the Peacekeeping from you, which I cannot choose to do. I may not even be able to vote on it.

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:25 pm

In post 1301, Titus wrote:Brass are you cool with my submissions?

Yeah, I am at this point.

Joey_ wrote:Banning an assumed scum luxury wont give info to town btw

This isn't a flat out ban, we are just proposing something to vote on. So, we put it to the delegates which will be cast in here.

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:35 pm

In post 1306, Titus wrote:
In post 1304, Joey_ wrote:
In post 1302, brassherald wrote:
In post 1301, Titus wrote:Brass are you cool with my submissions?
Yeah, I am at this point.

Joey_ wrote:Banning an assumed scum luxury wont give info to town btw
This isn't a flat out ban, we are just proposing something to vote on. So, we put it to the delegates which will be cast in here.
Ohh i see, forgot the voting part. Im down with titus peqcekeeping you + testing a luxury then
Yeah and we aren't even debating the permanent ones that deal with wonders. We don't know enough.

Yeah, I'm all for not doing anything permanent day 1. I don't know what those do, or what city states there will be and if they will help town. If we ban something permanently, then we would have to waste another day repealing the ban if the ban hurt the town.

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:44 pm

In post 1310, Joey_ wrote:
In post 1309, Titus wrote:Wouldn't it be better to know what embargo did with a large number of players alive though?
Maybe! But im def biased here because i hard townread kokichi

Is your townread on Kokichi or Nero harder?

Also, Titus, switch the embargo to Dunkerdoodles, let's try someone who is likely not going to be hanged today, but has not inspired so much disagreement.

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:01 pm

In post 1315, Titus wrote:
In post 1312, brassherald wrote:
In post 1310, Joey_ wrote:
In post 1309, Titus wrote:Wouldn't it be better to know what embargo did with a large number of players alive though?
Maybe! But im def biased here because i hard townread kokichi
Is your townread on Kokichi or Nero harder?

Also, Titus, switch the embargo to Dunkerdoodles, let's try someone who is likely not going to be hanged today, but has not inspired so much disagreement.
I'm thinking Embargo is uselss if done on someone who isn't even here and generated no conflict. Dunker isn't going to be elected tomorrow and the time expires. I'm concerned about the eventuality that what we think happens with Peacekeeper doesn't happen and Koichi runs over the thread because I can't babysit 24/7.

Look, as long as you have peacekeeping me as your top choice, we will likely never find out what your actual third choice was. If you want to test Embargo, I'm not going to tell you who to do it on.

Go ahead on Kokichi.

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:02 pm

If Kokichi is town, there should be no issue with being embargoed, likely a VT, then.

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:04 pm

In post 1320, Dunkerdoodles wrote:yeah i know, thats why i said basically

have the resolutions been decided yet, or are we just discussion potential resolutions

pedit: wtf is the embargo

We're not sure what embargo is. I sent in my resolution suggestions.

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:07 pm

In post 1325, Kokichi Oma wrote:Brass you're an awful leader, by the way.

If you say so.

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:16 pm

In post 1336, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1319, brassherald wrote:If Kokichi is town, there should be no issue with being embargoed, likely a VT, then.
Disagree. There's nothing to suggest that she's a VT.

Town with an overinflated value of self-worth is a thing and that's how I'm leaning with Koki.

I'm saying statistically speaking, Town!Kokichi would also be Vanilla since there will be more vanilla townies than PRs.

That being said, if I'm going to lead, I need to accept that not everyone, even within the town itself, will agree with my decisions. But, Titus, you were chosen as a leader as well, you can make your own call on which one you think is best for town when you get to the third choice.

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:17 pm

If you disagree with the choices Titus makes today, vote against her resolutions and convince everyone to put someone else in these positions tomorrow.

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:24 pm

In post 1345, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 1342, brassherald wrote:If you disagree with the choices Titus makes today, vote against her resolutions and convince everyone to put someone else in these positions tomorrow.
No, now you're just trying not to take blame if it's wrong. Can you tell me what the harm of advancing and having gold on the discussion is? Why wouldn't we want to advance and why wouldn't we want to have Gold as a discussion for banning?

Tomorrow, if I am around, Gold ban will be suggested. I would rather save that one for night 2, when people would presumably have earned some gold and would be looking to spend it.

I'm not trying to avoid the blame, again, if people feel that I have been wrong, let them not vote me to host tomorrow. Hell, I'll say right now, I think Joey_ or Nero are good hosts. We're going to be held accountable just like any politician.

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:28 pm

In post 1350, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 1348, Dunkerdoodles wrote:and why couldn't embargo help us?

you also know there's 2 resolutions to choose from right?
which im assuming are the gold/crab thing and the embargo
Why not have all options out on the table?

Fine:
Ban Gold, Ban Crabs, Ban Silk, Embargo City states permanently, Embargo a player, Peacekeeping, Protect natural wonders, protect world wonders, Fund the arts for everyone, fund science for one person.

Those are our choices.

I think we have mentioned each.

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:34 pm

I don't know that I can use science advancement. Which is why I put fund the arts as my non-ban choice.

Again, my belief is that Banning gold would be more valuable day 2.

And Nero seems to have played Civ V lots more than me because I didn't remember that about gold in there. I have just been using the Civ VI model, which I believe replaced gold with... maybe silver?

P-edit protecting natural wonders is permanent, and if it is not pro-town, I would be concerned with putting a permanent thing in place so early.

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:36 pm

The corruption could just be flavor text. You will see when the actual resolutions to vote on come out, I believe.

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:42 pm

Nope, not in Civ 5, that was my first one and I did not know it was a mechanic ever.

Also not in Civ 6 FWIW.

There may be mods to add it in.

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 2:17 pm

I feel the fact that funding art seems good to everyone and is sounds harmless makes it the most likely to be a trap choice. Which is why it was only my second choice.

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 2:17 pm

In post 1386, Kokichi Oma wrote:I say we up the buff for Brass, yeah. Like the fact that Titus didn't even bring it up as a suggestion is shady.

Science is on her list.

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 2:32 pm

In post 1392, Joey_ wrote:Can we make a coherent and official post about exactly everything we know about the resolutions so we can edit and add stuff troughout the game. I would do it but i am on phone.
@brass

I can't really say more than I did where I listed all of them. Anything more would be reposting the message which I was told I couldn't do

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 2:37 pm

Okay, I'll get that together in like 30 minutes in the middle of a thing

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 2:52 pm

In post 1399, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 1391, Titus wrote:
In post 1386, Kokichi Oma wrote:I say we up the buff for Brass, yeah. Like the fact that Titus didn't even bring it up as a suggestion is shady.
That's my number 1 and you've said that repeatedly that jailkeeping Brass is not my priority. Stop the nonsense.
Wait so the peacekeeping is jailkeeping? If so that should be your first.

Yes and yes

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:20 pm

World Congress host gets an extra delegate the host and the runner up are provided with choices for resolutions to suggest. The two of them each rank three choices privately.

Today's list had the options of Ban Silk for the day, Ban Gold for the day, Ban Crabs for the Day, Embargo all city states permanently, Embargo a player until tomorrow, Send peacekeeping forces to a civilization (I believe this is jailkeeping and you cannot use delegates to vote for yourself), Protect Natural wonders permanently, protect world wonders permanently, boost art for everyone today, boost science for everyone today.

I chose to put forward, in order, ban silk, boost art, and ban crabs.

Any permanent change will have the opportunity to repeal later if the people decide it is no good.

brassherald · Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:37 pm

In post 1431, Titus wrote:@Varsoon, Do you think I should science boost brass myself elbrin or you?

Do the science boost on Nero Cain.

brassherald · Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:28 am

Nero, I'd be interested in a list of town reads from you.

brassherald · Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:07 am

In post 1451, Titus wrote:
In post 1441, brassherald wrote:
In post 1431, Titus wrote:@Varsoon, Do you think I should science boost brass myself elbrin or you?
Do the science boost on Nero Cain.
Nero is a major wagon... :/ So I won't do him.

Nero should not be a major wagon.

brassherald · Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:10 am

In post 1455, Titus wrote:
In post 1454, brassherald wrote:
In post 1451, Titus wrote:
In post 1441, brassherald wrote:
In post 1431, Titus wrote:@Varsoon, Do you think I should science boost brass myself elbrin or you?
Do the science boost on Nero Cain.
Nero is a major wagon... :/ So I won't do him.
Nero should not be a major wagon.
Yes but he is and I'm not putting my own reads above everyone else. The resolution will be available tomorrow so we can do Nero if he shows himself town to others.

Can you just repeat what your current list is, then. Because I have a feeling that a science boost for Nero is going to be good, and if not today, I would rather put it in tomorrow.

brassherald · Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:11 am

Also, I am currently reserving my right to make fun of people for their Nero reads if I'm right.

brassherald · Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:13 am

In post 1458, Titus wrote:Does anyone else have any input? I'm leaning towards sciencing Varsoona atm. I have 4 hours.

My other options are brass (seems not to want it), Elbrin (same), me (drama causing) and Varsoona.

I am looking at consensus town only.

I'd be fine with Varsoon. I just don't want it if we are going to use the Peacekeeping on me, if we somehow vote on both, there is no assurance that both will work and I'd rather have peacekeeping.

brassherald · Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:48 am

@Maestro So, today, I cannot vote on the Peacekeeping, correct?

brassherald · Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:03 am

So, now, with the silk. I suggested it for this reason, if you know anything about silk, step forward with information and share it with the rest of us. Otherwise, I'm assuming it's a scum thing and voting to ban it.

I want information above all.

brassherald · Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:15 am

Okay, you can only cast your delegates to one of the two proposed issues.

We have 22 Delegates from everyone today, only 20 can be used on the peacekeeping. Let's max out the Peacekeeping at 11.

And I picked the silk ban.

brassherald · Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:16 am

I should have put arts as my number one to be honest, but this is part of the learning experience of a unique feature.

brassherald · Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:21 am

In post 1480, Titus wrote:
In post 1476, Elbirn wrote:Why is ban silk even on the table?

I still could not get a straight answer about what the science boost would have done (town buff or one player buff) and then Titus picked a luxury that wasn't even discussed if I'm not mistaken?

Titus why did you not science buff one of your suggestions?
I did.

Ban silk is something we are looking at to see what it does.
We don't know precisely what the science buff does, so we cannot give a straight answer. The vague non descript statements are all what we get.

Yeah, what you are seeing currently as our choices is the exact text we had in our PMs for these two.

We have to feel out the system a bit and see what happens, since there is no way to get more information other than try something and see what happens.

As it is, I picked what I believed to be lower impact, possibly higher information things.

brassherald · Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:23 am

@Mod out of curiosity, when we have two delegates, can we put one to support and one to oppose the same resolution?

brassherald · Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:26 am

Nero get off your hydra.

brassherald · Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:39 am

In post 1497, marshy wrote:
In post 1494, Gamma Emerald wrote:I don't get that description of silk tbh, all I saw on the wikipedia page was objections to silk based on animal rights
lol

i think a50 was trolling

I loled. It was awkward because I'm at work and supposed to be working but I'm also trying to slow down the assignments I get from my boss, because if I get too much work I get overloaded.

brassherald · Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:50 am

@nero I would still like some town reads from you, please. When you get the chance.

brassherald · Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:58 am

Jodaxq is in this game?

I literally forgot she was.

Nero, from the normal that is still being discussed, do you remember if Jodaxq lurked around during the shitshow that was day 1?

brassherald · Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:06 am

I'd rather use the Peace keepers today and not tomorrow, there is no assurance that the Protective roles we may have would even be effective.

brassherald · Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:07 am

Also...

VOTE: Jodaxq

brassherald · Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:13 am

I'd rather do the peacekeep today, the indication in the PMs was that there will be more options for resolutions on subsequent days. We might have something that looks better tomorrow anyway.

brassherald · Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:36 am

I know that the flavor for the Innocent Child was throwing a Carnival, the ability of Brazil in game.

brassherald · Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:37 am

I would be against everyone claiming their Civs.

brassherald · Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:39 am

In post 1530, Jodaxq wrote:
In post 1509, brassherald wrote:Jodaxq is in this game?

I literally forgot she was.

Nero, from the normal that is still being discussed, do you remember if Jodaxq lurked around during the shitshow that was day 1?
As I said I've been without internet. Like literally no access to a computer with internet. I didn't even log into the site yesterday. I have an appointment with a technician tomorrow and will hopefully be back up and running then.

My bad, I forgot.

UNVOTE:

brassherald · Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:43 am

Kiana and Joda are going to have a rough time keeping up with this one.

We're getting past 100 pages Day 1, boyos!

brassherald · Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:06 am

Shaziro, do you play Town of Salem?

brassherald · Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:14 pm

I do think Creature warrants a lynch today, but we have over a week. I would also like something to read Jodaxq and Kiana on.

I know both have reasons to be away, but let's let them do something Day 1 to get a read.

brassherald · Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:01 pm

In post 1594, Shaziro wrote:Going to be less frequent. Grandfather in hospital. I’m sure you people are lovely and all but I have priorities.

Good luck. Hope it turns out okay.

brassherald · Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:26 am

Everyone, please stop getting ready to lynch Creature, I want to have some chance to get a read on Kiana Kislana and Jodaxq.

brassherald · Fri Mar 09, 2018 4:39 am

So, doing the math, at most one more vote should be cast in support of the Peacekeeping, voting against it, as pointed out, is a scum claim anyway, and there are enough non-voters out there that I have at least a light town read that I'm not super nervous about an evil faction going out of their way to stop it.

I have heard nothing good about silk, so I'll give it until I get home tonight before I cast both my delegates in support of the ban.

brassherald · Fri Mar 09, 2018 5:41 am

I'm not ready for a lynch yet. We have over a week and two slots other than Creature. One has not posted due to internet problems, the other leaves VLA today. I want to wait. If you want to end the day with a lunch, go for it but I want to see what Kiana has to say as well as Joda

brassherald · Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:32 am

In post 1655, Shaziro wrote:Like Elbirn said, this isn't the first time Nero has said "I know I'm being a hypocrite but won't change it and you're scummy if you pull me up on it" in this game. It's pretty shitty. Stop doing that or eat some rope tomorrow, imo.

This is a good point. I think Nero seems to be a nice cool guy, but he's losing traction as a town read. And I think my theory was wrong on him as well, so, people can make fun of me afterwards if he's scum.

brassherald · Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:35 am

In post 1680, Chara wrote:Titus: why don't you think Creature is flipping scum? VCA?

Dunker: it's not scummy to not know Creature's meta. i meant his buddy might consider defending him while not knowing how lock the meta really is, where someone who should know his meta makes him essentially confirmed scum wouldn't do so.

pedit: what was this theory again?

I never said it. And I won't until Nero flips, so, may have to wait until the end of the game.

brassherald · Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:38 am

I am fine with ending early, I say we give until the end of the day tomorrow. Kiana should have caught up by then.

brassherald · Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:41 am

In post 1687, Varsoon wrote:I'm cool with that. More info beat less info. Just don't want to end up without a lynch.

Absolutely, let's get Creature out of here. He's been active in other games and avoiding this one.

brassherald · Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:16 am

Screw it.

Ummmm... How do I heal?

brassherald · Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:17 am

HEAL: Ban silk
HEAL: Ban silk

I figured it out.... By quoting someone who has already done it.

brassherald · Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:27 am

@mod For all of us tomorrow, is there a way to cast delegates to the same vote when we have multiples that you would prefer?

brassherald · Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:15 am

In post 1699, Kokichi Oma wrote:So who are we waiting on?

Kiana.

brassherald · Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:53 pm

I would buy a switch but I don't even have my television plugged in

brassherald · Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:32 pm

In post 1720, Nero Cain wrote:HURT: peacekeeping

Well, that removes stagnation.

Let's discuss this, guys.

brassherald · Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:40 pm

In post 1722, Dunkerdoodles wrote:why

Are you asking me or Nero why?

brassherald · Fri Mar 09, 2018 4:30 pm

VOTE: Creature

I'm going to bed, do it.

brassherald · Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:06 am

Yo, lots of pages overnight, but I'm starting to think ActionDan may be scum as well. The couple of times he has posted he has almost intentionally avoided doing anything AI.

Is that a scum thing?

brassherald · Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:17 am

At work so limited posts during lunch. Told you Dunk was scum.

brassherald · Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:34 am

In post 1883, Joey_ wrote:
In post 1881, Nero Cain wrote:Also, Gamma is orange scum. hehehehue
Who do you want to vote for Runner up WC ?

@Brass : Do you think that you not getting WC today might be a good idea ? Youd still get Runner up but we will get an addition Delegates for tomorow or the others days when you eventually get night killed in some ways

I don't understand the question.

Delegates do not stack.

brassherald · Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:35 am

Or they do, and I just did not see I have 4 delegates... Maybe we should give it to someone else.

brassherald · Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:41 am

Guys, quick input before I like go write something about money for a client or whatever I'm actually supposed to be doing.

It's multiball for sure.

I'd say there might be domination mafia, science mafia, and cultural mafia.

I think we have 3 scum groups. Someone who is better at math can figure out how many members of each there would be. Maybe one more domination member and two more sciences?