Mini Normal 1996: Floral Mafia [Endgame!]

[Cedrick]

VOTE: Maria

If you were a flower, you’d be a DAMNdelion

@havo why did you change your disclaimer from the last game?

[Cedrick]

VOTE: Maria

If you were a flower, you’d be a DAMNdelion

@havo why did you change your disclaimer from the last game?

It seemed to cause too much controversy and took away from the RVS stage.
And I like this new one better.

But you were town last game and didn’t seem to care about controversy. Why now?

[Cedrick]

VOTE: creature

Scum slipped. Town know how to vote properly

[Cedrick]

i rolled village btw glgl me

English please

[Cedrick]

VOTE: kts

I don’t like being ignored.

[Cedrick]

I’m about to watch that new Jumanji movie with the fam, so ima be out for the night,

But I like the way this has started.

Is that on dvd already?

[Cedrick]

I hard TR KTS and that's that.

Why?

[Cedrick]

Serious question, is your shift key broken?

[Cedrick]

I hard TR KTS and that's that.

Why?

Tell me exactly why scum start such a thing day 1? There's no reason for it. The most efficient way for scum to play that helps them in the long run is minimal stances day 1.

Maybe that’s what he wants people to think?

[Cedrick]

maria's reasoning is solid. Also dislike tchill's 41. Also skeptical of cedrick's opening.

What do you have against puns?

[Cedrick]

maria's reasoning is solid. Also dislike tchill's 41. Also skeptical of cedrick's opening.

What do you have against puns?

Not your first post, just most of your other ones.

[Cedrick]

i'd vote there if mumble wasn't almost certainly a wolf.

Welcome to Real World mafiascum. Where people stop being fake and start being real.

Basically all of the reads you have given are fake in attempt to stir up drama. Please stop

[Cedrick]

i rolled village btw glgl me

English please

Can you please explain what you are saying here. Thanks

[Cedrick]

Idk if he’s scum yet but I’m leaning that way. If he is town I don’t believe for a second he believes any of the reads he’s given.

[Cedrick]

Idk if he’s scum yet but I’m leaning that way. If he is town I don’t believe for a second he believes any of the reads he’s given.

If he was town he'd definitely believe his reads. No reason to give reads he doesn't believe them if he's town.

People lie in rvs to get reactions. If you honestly think he believes mumble isn’t scum off 1 post, I’ve got some ocean front property in Arizona for you.

[Cedrick]

*is scum

[Cedrick]

What does drama mean in this context? I think anything that would be called drama is usually helpful in mafia

This little 1 v 1 with tchill. Really drama is helpful. Staged drama not so much. Kts is faking reads imo to stir things up. I’m not entirely convinced tchill isn’t in on it.

[Cedrick]

I townread Cedrick

Based off what?

[Cedrick]

VOTE: creature

Scum slipped. Town know how to vote properly

-_-

Oh come on. It was a joke. Do people not have fun anymore?

[Cedrick]

Alright, Creature can be town.

Maybe but I dislike him thinking both kts and chill are town.

[Cedrick]

Alright, Creature can be town.

Maybe but I dislike him thinking both kts and chill are town.

Because you disagree or?

Yes. I’m leaning scum on kts and null on tchill. I’m not excluding this being scum theater either but I don’t know if I’m ready to commit to that theory so early.

[Cedrick]

Can we not excuse d1 quickhammers

I won’t be. Disclaimer or not I’ll be pushing a lynch on anyone who quick hammers without a claim. Unless it’s a scum flip, I’ll reward bad play if it benefits town.

[Cedrick]

Idk if he’s scum yet but I’m leaning that way. If he is town I don’t believe for a second he believes any of the reads he’s given.

If he was town he'd definitely believe his reads. No reason to give reads he doesn't believe them if he's town.

I covered this already. Sometimes players give fake reads in rvs to generate discussion. There is literally no way he can scum read somebody off one post. His read on mumble at least in a lie. Idk about the rest of his reads. I don’t really believed his read on you either.

[Cedrick]

^disregard that post. Somehow I was on the wrong page and thought you said it again.

[Cedrick]

This is such a blatantly scummy thing to say

Why is it scummy? I’m inclined to believe it except I’ll go one further and say even a wagon on me would be fine. Wagons = pressure which = discussion which = game solving.

[Cedrick]

Why does having dif reads=dislike to you (I assume that means scummy as well correct me if wrong) I don't really think having dif reads is what's important it's the reasoning and if it feels genuine (as does all reads but this is basic mafia 101 talk I'm going into)

I’m confused. I don’t think I said I dislike him because he has different reads. I just dislike his reads because I don’t agree with them. Dislike doesn’t mean scummy, at least not in this context.

[Cedrick]

I’m about to watch that new Jumanji movie with the fam, so ima be out for the night,

But I like the way this has started.

Is that on dvd already?

Don't know about that, watched in on VuDu.

I went in with extremely low expectations, was pleasantly surprised. It entertained me fairly well for an hour and a half,
Keven Hart was quite funny.

Whats VuDu and how do I watch it?

[Cedrick]

It’s simi to Netflix. Comes pre-loaded on some smart TVs and DVD players. Also an App. You have to sign up for an account then rent or purchase the movies you want.
My wife was using her brothers account and he had bought it. Not sure on the cost.

Ok thanks.

[Cedrick]

Mumble has 1post and Katherine has 7.
Would like to see more from those slots

Mumble needs to speak up...

[Cedrick]

this is the same guy that decided to say i was stirring up drama for the sake of it, and i've been ignoring him all game as to not cause an out of game conflict. don't really feel like engaging a child who's gonna throw a tantrum whenever i don't give him attention as seen here:

I didn’t understand what you were saying. That was me asking you to clarify what you were saying. To ignore me is to be rude. That entire sentence made no sense to me.

I didn’t throw a tantrum btw but it is kind of rude to ignore somebody who’s trying to understand what you’re saying especially when we are playing a games that uses words.

[Cedrick]

and yeah, that's provocative, but he's been baiting me all game. not sure what his deal is, but there's only so much i can let him say about me before i get a little angry lol. regardless, his posts engaging me and about me are a solid v.

I haven’t been baiting you and I didn’t say anything bad about you. I don’t appreciate this AtE. It’s unnecessary since I haven’t done anything to you on a personal level.

[Cedrick]

there's a certain line of aggressive and asshole in mafia, and a lot of these players don't know the difference. sort of why i left the toxic community here in the first place.

I can tell the difference. This game regardless of your alignment you’re being an asshole. Falsely accuse me of being a child trying to stir up conflict and saying I’ve been baiting you when I haven’t. You definitely passed over to the asshole side.

I see right through you. You decided to come in here and use aggression to be town read and it worked, however I’m smart enough to know that aggression and activity don’t always mean scum. You throw out reads that are clearly fake and act like you believe them. You double down and say you do which means you are probably scum.

Faking reads to generate discussion and then admitting they were fake is townie. Hopefully people come around on you and you get lynched and none won’t even have any remorse since you seem perfectly fine smearing my good name and using ate.

You have provided toxicity to this game and it’s why I’ve kind of stopped posting. Your presence annoys me and your reads to me don’t seem genuine nor do they make sense still.

I hate to have to ignore somebody completely but I fear that’s what I’ll have to do.

[Cedrick]

I don't think there's enough reason to scum read mumble. I do appreciate activity but I feel like you're definitely trying to take control of the game and I also don't like how you pointed out you could be aggressive as scum also.

VOTE: mumble

VOTE: Tchill

good vote here

[Cedrick]

It's not NAI because he said he changed it while posting. It would've been NAI if he said he changed it before the game

i'm with you on this, his change could totally be aI. As far as I can tell he has never been scum and as town he didn't really seem to care about the negative attention. now he changed it because it results in negative attention?

[Cedrick]

Luca - Null, not a fan of his tunnel vision early

Havo, isn't tunnelling more of a towny action, though? That's actually why I'm thinking townier.

I would agree, but what struck me was his immediate tunnel vision on Tchill. LIke right from the Go.

I need more content from him, we'll see how it develops.

i'm confused. tunneling is fine but because he did it on tchill specifically it's not?

[Cedrick]

i now clearly remember why i originally left this site.

Because people don't just immediately bow down to the fact that you have solved the game?

like I legit have mountain dew out my nose right now.

I would love to throw in my thoughts on why kts left but I am allowed to say anything negative about him, despite him saying negative things about me

[Cedrick]

I think KTS "how many mafia are there" dumbtell was legit

then you are very naive

[Cedrick]

I think KTS last page has been genuine as fuck. Could be wrong

definitely wrong

[Cedrick]

implosion has 22 posts and I still haven't seen anything to be considered actually fully AI, that's a bit of a concern... I'm mulling over whether I want to put him to L-1 already.

Have you found anyone who’s done scummy AI things?

[Cedrick]

implosion has 22 posts and I still haven't seen anything to be considered actually fully AI, that's a bit of a concern... I'm mulling over whether I want to put him to L-1 already.

Have you found anyone who’s done scummy AI things?

I still think Maria. That's why my vote is there. I'd go into more detail, but technically I am working, so long post at work is not a great idea.

any chance you'd go with a kts or tchill wagon?

[Cedrick]

Inclined to think Mumble is more of a lynchbait though lol

I kind of agree with this but we also can't just excuse his bad behaviour either or else he will think it's ok to do again and again.

[Cedrick]

Inclined to think Mumble is more of a lynchbait though lol

I kind of agree with this but we also can't just excuse his bad behaviour either or else he will think it's ok to do again and again.

Ooh... Are you suggesting policy? If mumble flips town this should be looked at.

of all the days where one would be acceptable, day 1 is it so yes I am completely down for a policy lynch on a useless slot. We can't tell if he is town or scum and he isn't doing anything to help us decide.

[Cedrick]

Policy lynches are really stupid, we shouldn't do them. People will blame the rest of the town when they get lynched rather than look and think whether they could have done anything to prevent their lynch, the only reason I would policy lynch under some very very limited circumstances.

so then you must have an idea on how to get mumble to participate. let's hear it.

ignoring = enabling and I am not down for that option.

[Cedrick]

Hence why:

Can someone help me revitalize my townread on Cedrick?

if it fades, it fades bro.

[Cedrick]

my scum reads still remain kts and tchill, if we could lynch one of them i'd be happy.

nobody wants to lynch them so i'll settle on a mumble PL or even a havo lynch. I could even be talked into a maria lynch.

nobody else interests me atm

[Cedrick]

Policy lynches are really stupid, we shouldn't do them. People will blame the rest of the town when they get lynched rather than look and think whether they could have done anything to prevent their lynch, the only reason I would policy lynch under some very very limited circumstances.

so then you must have an idea on how to get mumble to participate. let's hear it.

ignoring = enabling and I am not down for that option.

Admit that this isn't about teaching Mumble a sort of lesson like you said in post [p]418[/p] and I'll consider it.

If you are going to policy lynch don't hide behind some bullshit that they are going to learn it's wrong to do and just admit you don't want him in your game.

I mean that is basically what a policy lynch is so i can't lie and say it is something it isn't.

if it makes you feel better, I do think he is scummy.

[Cedrick]

I still don’t know why so many people town read me.

[Cedrick]

Me either.

can I get some reads from you, with some explanation for them?

[Cedrick]

These two lines kinda don't mesh for me. If kts flips scum why would people need to have remorse? This feels like a perspective slip.

you'd be mistaken, It is impossible for me to know is he is scum or not until he flips so I am keeping an open mind that I could be wrong. If he does flips town I definitely won't have remorse about it though because is playstyle is toxic to me.

[Cedrick]

People would be a lot better off if they didn't try to sort me until around day 3.

that is very bad and scummy thing to say

[Cedrick]

is this serious, are you scumreading both of them for real at the same time

yes i am serious. This isn't the first time I mentioned they could be scum together so not sure why this comes as a surprise to you

[Cedrick]

Well why are you telling everyone not to have remorse, rather than just saying if he flips town you wouldn't? Feels like you're handwaving responsibility for everyone who joins you.

why didn't you ask me to clarify my statement? there is a very obvious typo in that statement. I wasn't telling others to not have remorse, i was saying I wouldn't

[Cedrick]

can I get some reads from you

Yes.

{Creature, Killthestory}
{Gamma Emerald, MariaR}
{Tchill13, Ausuka, brassherald, Havo}
{katherine, Luca Blight, Cedrick}
{implosion}

with some explanation for them?

No.

VOTE: mumble

[Cedrick]

Cedrick's stocks are definitely falling in my books

oh I could have told you my stock was a bad investment. I have done nothing to earn all those town reads I had so people dropping them is par for the course.

[Cedrick]

VOTE: Cedrick

I've seen enough of this dance.

so you've seen AI stuff from me? if yes what?

[Cedrick]

yeah, my posts show me trying to lynch my scum reads, giving the names of other people I find scummy, and trying to sort a player who is trying to not let himself get sorted. That is all town AI stuff so do you want to try again?

[Cedrick]

yeah, my posts show me trying to lynch my scum reads, giving the names of other people I find scummy, and trying to sort a player who is trying to not let himself get sorted. That is all town AI stuff so do you want to try again?

No, I'm good, thanks for saying you'll give me a second shot if I need it, though.

ok, just don't want you making any excuses when i flip town.

[Cedrick]

I still don’t know why so many people town read me.

Ech this feels like scum trying to fake paranoia or smth

that is a strange leap

[Cedrick]

Well why are you telling everyone not to have remorse, rather than just saying if he flips town you wouldn't? Feels like you're handwaving responsibility for everyone who joins you.

why didn't you ask me to clarify my statement?

there is a very obvious typo in that statement. I wasn't telling others to not have remorse, i was saying I wouldn't

How was I to know?

my mistake. I bolded the part that you clearly missed. You were supposed to ask first before assuming. you know what happens when you assume.

[Cedrick]

yeah, my posts show me trying to lynch my scum reads, giving the names of other people I find scummy, and trying to sort a player who is trying to not let himself get sorted. That is all town AI stuff so do you want to try again?

Well if you think you're so towny,

why are you so skeptical of townreads on you

?

i don't think i am towny, I know I am. My issue is people are calling me town but i haven't seen anyone explain what they think that way. I vanished for a long series of pages and came back in asking about non game related stuff and people still had me as town. Nobody once asked me why i was fluff posting or what my current thoughts of the game. That is why I was bugged out.

[Cedrick]

I didn't miss it, thanks for the discredit attempt

it wasn't a discredit attempt. you asked how you were to know, I had already said you should have asked because you should have asked. if you think you came out of that exchange discredited, I guess you only have yourself to blame. You should have asked me first before you assumed.

[Cedrick]

Well how about the fact people don't just toss reads because someone makes a few fluff posts.

they don't? I know I certainly have seen that before.

[Cedrick]

Why should I ask questions when it seems like your post was fine in the first place aside from the perceived perspective slip? It wouldn't really do any good to ask "oh hey, did you mean to imply kts why town therefore implicating yourself as scum by knowing his alignment?", now would it?

If you are town you absolutely should make sure you understand the post before you form an opinion off of it. Clearly that typo changes everything. Yet somehow it doesn’t seem like it’s changed anything.

[Cedrick]

I won't be making any excuses if you flip town. I'm just pursuing my reads. Sometimes I'm wrong, but that doesn't mean I'm going to stop playing.

My issue was you supposedly had somebody you had AI reasons for and you wanted to hop off them for somebody you didn’t and then you vote me and you say you have reasons but you didn’t really give any.

Looks like you were trying to get off whoever you were voting for some reason and you didn’t really care what that reason was.

[Cedrick]

I should have asked because I should have asked".

Exactly right. There was clearly a typo. Instead of clarifying first you jumped to a conclusion to shade me. If you are town that’s just bad play

[Cedrick]

Well how about the fact people don't just toss reads because someone makes a few fluff posts.

they don't? I know I certainly have seen that before.

Show me, it was probably someone being stupid.

Wish I could.

[Cedrick]

That typo maybe changes things but I have no way to tell if you're being genuine about keeping the possibility of kts being town in mind

Every player should be doing this. Town or scum pretending to be town. So this doesn’t make any sense to me but whatever

[Cedrick]

If you want my full reasons, you seem to be less scum hunting and more feeling out what everyone else's reads are, looking for which wagon you can push. I did not like that I posted about implosion, and you tried to shepherd me over to TChill or kts, in particular and since then it has all been downhill.

I’m not doing much “scum hunting” because I’m solidly scum reading 2 people. I’m passively looking for my 3rd but people aren’t really making it easy.

I honestly don’t know how in the world you think I’m feeling people out when I’m going against the grain. Nobody wants to lynch kts or tchill. Everyone is fine letting mulch lurk and havo/Maria are low on my list aka compromise lynches. Nothing in the recent posts show people finally coming around on kts or tchill and I’ve stayed consistent with those since the beginning.

I tried to move you from imp/kts from implosion cause you admitted you didn’t have any AI reasons for implosion so you even thinking of joining it is kind of opportunistic. I have no shame in trying to Shepard anyone to my scum reads. I’ll never apologize for doing that. I have to find support for my scum reads somehow.

[Cedrick]

but now he seems to just be looking to get people off of their lynch and onto his.

That’s kind of the point of the game. What’s suspicious about me trying to get my scum reads lynched?

You clearly were looking for a new wagon.

[Cedrick]

scum team guesses on day 1 are the worst thing you can do lol.

Definitely not the worst. Not even top 5

[Cedrick]

I should have asked because I should have asked".

Exactly right. There was clearly a typo. Instead of clarifying first you jumped to a conclusion to shade me. If you are town that’s just bad play

It's not "jumping to conclusions". It's me looking at what is in front of me and making a judgment. How was I supposed to know there was a typo when the post was fine wrt spelling and grammar? I'm not some super-psychic. And it's really sweet to see someone not even recognizing a logical fallacy when it's pointed out for them. Your statement was circular logic.

That one sentence made no sense.

Hopefully people come around on you and you get lynched and none won’t even have any remorse since you seem perfectly fine smearing my good name and using ate.

None won’t even have remorse makes sense to use?

There was clearly a typo. You assumed I meant “no one” but that isn’t what I typed. That wasn’t even what I meant.

[Cedrick]

Well how about the fact people don't just toss reads because someone makes a few fluff posts.

they don't? I know I certainly have seen that before.

Show me, it was probably someone being stupid.

Wish I could.

Then I don't care. Examples or it didn't happen.

Townie shouldn’t be so close minded. If you are town here you are not only doing yourself but everyone else a disservice.

Not to mention that’s a terrible attitude.

I’ll just ignore you now cause you clearly aren’t trying to be open minded.

[Cedrick]

If you tried to find examples I'd check into them. You didn't even try, so why should I give your point any of my time?

I can’t give you example cause it would out my main. Your response was essentially F you you are lying.

It’s sort of stupid thing to lie about so the fact you even needed examples is bad. You don’t have to see things first hand to believe something is possible

[Cedrick]

Cedrick, this is your last chance to save yourself: give me your thoughts on this post, as I believe you missed it.

I don’t need to save myself as I’m not in trouble. Even if I was, I’d rather drown. I’m ignoring kts’s posts ever since I got warned by the mod for crossing the line when all I did was defend myself. I asked the mod if kts got warned and I got no response. No response in this case means no. I really don’t want to be force replaced or modkilled over accidentally responding the wrong way to him so the safer play is don’t respond at all.

[Cedrick]

I doubt you’d break any rules asking questions but you could always ask the mod. I won’t say anything that gets me in trouble. But it’s probably smarter to just drop it.

[Cedrick]

Last VC had mumble in lead. Vote him.

[Cedrick]

VOTE: implosion
idk if I'm townreading Cedrick now but I feel like such a boob for going after him when the mod gave such unfair treatment towards him so there's no way in hell I'm gonna keep voting him today.

No no. I don’t get special treatment for that.

[Cedrick]

no matter if he flips town or scum this is advantageous to town.

Bad post [also wrong].

I actually agree it’s a bad post. Don’t agree he’s wrong

[Cedrick]

VOTE: havo

[Cedrick]

VOTE: havo

Was hping to see some logic behind this

he is one of the people i'm ok lynching and want to see what he does with some pressure on him.

[Cedrick]

somebody tell me the difference in mumble, katherine and havo. the difference that makes havo scum but the other two town.

who is saying that?

[Cedrick]

ok so we can agree a wagon is not really a threat until about vote 4 on a 7 to lynch right?

so arguably the most important votes on a wagon are the one's that get the wagon to "real possibility" territory.

Votes 2, 3 and 4 imo. The 1st vote carries very little weight alone.

I'm gonna need a reason for those votes. They look like "throw shit at the wall and hope it sticks" votes. As in you just want someone lynched.

KTS has voted about half the player list at this point When he had Scum!Tchill nailed from the get go, called him town then nailed him again later.

This is one of many oppurtunistic Cedrick moves i've seen and of the players that contributed im closest to voting him

1. why would you ever excuse vote number 1? everyone on a wagon should be scrutinized equally or nobody at all
2. havo didn't have 4 votes on him so I am not even sure why you are rambling on in the first place
3. not a fan of you discrediting everyone voting him like that, you should try to find out the reasons first instead of just blanket shading everyone
4. what is stopping you from voting me? Better yet what do I need to do to push you off that fence you are sitting on?

[Cedrick]

somebody tell me the difference in mumble, katherine and havo. the difference that makes havo scum but the other two town.

who is saying that?

anybody that votes havo.

I am not saying that and I am voting havo so you are definitely wrong there.

[Cedrick]

past RVS this looks to be you're only serious votes.

Then you clearly aren't reading the game which is weird given how much I have said about how I think kts is scum, not only scum I think he is scum WITH you.

my vote on kts was serious.

[Cedrick]

Tchill, you're criticising others for naked votes, but you've had your own fair share:

[Cedrick]

i need toi be sure about a scum read day 1 to vote there before im ok with not lynching someone that could be in my lynch pool for the foreseeable future.

who said we were lynching havo?

Are you not ok with pressuring people?

[Cedrick]

maybe this will get you off your fence

VOTE: tchill

I don't even need tchill to answer my question, because I already know his answer despite what he may actually say, and that makes his response to havo getting pressure bac.

[Cedrick]

you and I clearly have different versions of "easy pushes"

personally I find voting people most people aren't willing to vote/lynch as difficult pushes.

I'd say your katherine and implosion votes were easy pushes.

I was pretty much the only one who was willing to pressure kts, I got criticized for both my mumble and havo votes when both of those actually provided me (and hopefully others) some good info.

You saying you only vote people you are sure of is such a suspicious statement considering you actually agreed with my earlier comment about pressuring people is good for

[Cedrick]

* discussion

hit submit too soon

[Cedrick]

did you mean katherine and implosion? I feel both of those votes from you were "easy" because iirc katherine was starting to get some attention and out of the blue you call her your top scum read without any reasons. That could easily have been you trying to get on before others to avoid detection.

your implosion vote came when he already had 4 votes on him and your previous mention of him before that was "i haven't seen anything scummy from him yet" so that to me is basically a 180 without any explanation.

On the surface you could definitely say my votes were "easy" but i don't agree they are at all.


my vote on mumble came because I was trying to sort him and he out right refused to explain his reads. i don't see that coming from town.

my havo was meerly a pressure vote, he was already my lynch pool

i voted you because I was already suspicious of you, you just hard defended havo for no reason what so ever, and you committed a very HUGE contradiction that i don't really see coming from town.

[Cedrick]

to me it looks like you just want to policy lynch them but you don't want to actually call it that because you saw the negative attention i got from it.

implosion Mar 10, 11:07pm Mar 12, 07:58pm 0 days 18 hours 24
Ausuka Mar 11, 04:49am Mar 13, 03:36am 0 days 10 hours 20
Mumble Mar 10, 09:50pm Mar 12, 08:39pm 0 days 17 hours 13
katherine Mar 10, 09:42pm Mar 12, 03:04am 1 day 11 hours 9

These 4 people should all be ashamed of themselves regardless of alignment but ESPECIALLY if they are town.


I'm down for a lurker policy lynch, but we still have time so if i can lynch a scum read first, i'd rather do that.

[Cedrick]

@mod just replace me, I'm completely checked out of this game.

don't really blame you. this day has gone on forever and we aren't even close to lynching somebody.

[Cedrick]

nevermind checked for myself. 3 days. 3 days and Cedrick says it's gone on forever.

that's it? holy fuck it feels like a month.

if we are going to take the full 14 days i'm probably going to replace out. We are like 30 pages in 3 days

[Cedrick]

I don't really get the Havo votes on page 25. On that page I can only see playstyle-related things.

you don't understand the process of pressuring somebody?

[Cedrick]

Tchill on page 16 is bleeding town IMO.

tchill had 1 post on page 16.

want to try again?

[Cedrick]

implosion Mar 10, 11:07pm Mar 12, 07:58pm 0 days 18 hours 24
Ausuka Mar 11, 04:49am Mar 13, 03:36am 0 days 10 hours 20
Mumble Mar 10, 09:50pm Mar 12, 08:39pm 0 days 17 hours 13
katherine Mar 10, 09:42pm Mar 12, 03:04am 1 day 11 hours 9

20 posts in 2-3 days isn't lurking.

normally it wouldn't be, but in this game it definitely is. Plus I thought we were further along, i didn't realize we were only 3 days in.

[Cedrick]

Tchill on page 16 is bleeding town IMO.

tchill had 1 post on page 16.

want to try again?

I meant page 26, sorry.

Yeah I’ll disagree with that also. His hard defense of havo is weird. His assumption that just cause people are voting havo means people town read the other 2 is not only weird but factually incorrect.
Also he contradicted himself in a very scummy manner.

I’m more confident of my scum read of him because of 26

[Cedrick]

I don't really get the Havo votes on page 25. On that page I can only see playstyle-related things.

you don't understand the process of pressuring somebody?

I was under the impression the votes were because Havo was being scummy? I mean even if it's pressure you still pressure the person you think is scummy right?

Well yeah. Havo is kind of scummy. Hence the need to pressure him. I question anyone who is able to town read him cause I don’t see much town AI stuf

[Cedrick]

It is factually correct that if you vote someone then you believe those you are not voting are more town than the person you are voting.

I don’t agree that’s factually correct at all considering my highest scum read remains kts

[Cedrick]

Why is that so many for you?

Idk it just does.

[Cedrick]

It is factually correct that if you vote someone then you believe those you are not voting are more town than the person you are voting.

I don’t agree that’s factually correct at all considering my highest scum read remains kts

This means nothing if your vote isn't there. Actions speak louder than words.

It doesn’t have to mean anything to you. You can’t take an opinion (which I don’t even think you believe it) and pass it off as a fact.

If that was a fact you’d be encouraging tunneling. You want me to move off you and tunnel kts. No townie would want another to tunnel especially with self preservation as the motive.

[Cedrick]

Kind of scummy”. Care to elaborate on what you see from me that’s kind of scummy?

For starters the thing I’ve mentioned about you changing the wording of your disclaimer.

The thing where you seemed to take issue with luca’s “tunneling” because your words say it was for tunneling tchill and not tunneling in general. Your response to me I didn’t really agree with and in looking back he wasn’t even tunneling. As I’m now aware the game has only been on for 3 days and he wasn’t pushing for that long so there was no tunneling.

I also don’t really see anything I’d see as scum hunting. You kind of just exsist and the couple of votes you have failed to have any substance to support them. Your kts vote was basically the stuff I was calling out early game. The implosion vote came after a couple other which looks opportunistic plus you didn’t have any real reasons for it, just you disliked his posts which is vague.

Skimming your iso again, I don’t see anything from you that says omg this is town which is a red flag for me given the game state.

[Cedrick]

Just cause you can explain things or claim you have reasons for things doesn’t mean I am going to agree with ir believe you. That’s what I found scummy. That’s what you asked me for.

[Cedrick]

Just cause you can explain things or claim you have reasons for things doesn’t mean I am going to agree with ir believe you. That’s what I found scummy. That’s what you asked me for.

You are correct. I just wanted to try and clarify why I did those things.

If you don’t believe me then I don’t know what I can do to convince you.

It’s day 1 things could change. You aren’t even my top read. Just a slight scummy read.

I really wanted to see what would happen with you under pressure. Never expected somebody would try to get pressure off you before you even had a chance to be placed there so for now until that person flips, He’s my new focus.

[Cedrick]

Anyone besides havo have meta with tchil?

[Cedrick]

Anyone besides havo have meta with tchil?

You haven't seen my posts referring to meta on him?

I guess not. I’ll look through them.

Does his theory of only voting your top scum read make sense to you from
him?

[Cedrick]

I guess I'll stick to not playing day 1s aggressively because it obviously does no good.

You’ve been aggressive?

[Cedrick]

Not sure what my meta matters. I'm just saying in what world does scum not drag along Katherine or mumble? If they're town they'll be here till we vote them out. If they're scum they'll be here till we vote them out.

So just come out and call it what it is. A policy lynch

[Cedrick]

1. Because that’s what it is. 2 Because dishonesty is scummy. 3. You also seem to be scared of negativism attention and you know if you come out and say it’s a policy lynch you receive some.

[Cedrick]

Why does that matter so much to you?

I'm not even gonna ask what you're main is because apparently you've played with me before. You know I'm always against policy yet want to see me say policy.

I personally find it laughable that an alt is demanding for meta. Glad to see you went an extra step to make sure we weren't playing on a level field with one another.

If you can't find reason enough to get me lynched in THIS game do you really think meta is what's gonna push that over the edge? If you have to use meta to get someone lynched then you probably don't have a good enough case on them.

I’ve never played with you before. If you are against them why are you pushing one now?

[Cedrick]

I beg your pardon?

I told you he’s scum. Nobody listened

[Cedrick]

VOTE: mumble

[Cedrick]

please do, cause I would like to hear your explanations

[Cedrick]

Good call on not lynching mumble guys.

Katherine and mumble have provided great catch up's.

Almost as good as yours and havo’s

[Cedrick]

Good call on not lynching mumble guys.

Katherine and mumble have provided great catch up's.

Almost as good as yours and havo’s

My catch up was great. Oh wait. I didn’t provide one cause I haven’t needed too.

My point


Havo’s Head

[Cedrick]

v/la until Monday.

[Cedrick]

It’s quite obvious you guys couldn’t recognize a rob alt if you were playing with one.

you can't either

[Cedrick]

I want to hear how Cedrick and Implosion read each other.

He’s null.

See y’all on Monday.

[Cedrick]

Can someone towncase one of them.

That’s not how it works. That’s not how any of this works.

Town out numbers scum. So you have to be able to make a scum case on somebody not the other way around. If you want to try and make one on me I’d love to hear it. I was very active early on and pushed on my scum reads (kts and tchill). I was very transparent with them and even gave alternatives to those to help progress the game (havo, mumble, and maybe a 3rd can’t remember). I even voted to pressure mumble to see if he’d post more and he didn’t.

Then kts insulted me. I stood up for myself and got warned by the mod. I asked the mod if kts got warned and was ignored. Literally nobody wants to lynch my scum reads. Nobody seems to want to lynch my secondary reads and I can’t even push my top scum read anymore for fear I’ll get mod killed or replaced.


If that makes me scum. String me up and lynch me. It’ll help progress the game more than me replacing out. At least I can hope people listen to me after I’m gone.

I’ll try and check in when I can but no promises.

[Cedrick]

Yes I still want him lynched but in full disclosure once I was warned it became a little more personal so I’m a little biased. I just dropped it because nobody else was on board and I’d rather not waste my time anymore.

[Cedrick]

So I have a stuuuuuupid theory. So there's actually a thread in mafia discussion called something like "ethics of scumplay". Basically the point of it is to argue whether questionable things can be excused in the name of scumplay such as toxicity. Here's the application: what if only Cedrick got warned for being toxic because KTS is scum and has that leeway to behave however he wants?

I was warned because I took HIS words of him walking a line between aggressive and asshole and said he crossed it and has been an asshole. I was referring to his play this game and using his words but apparently that was a personal attack despite him saying things about me that weren’t true.

He made a post very early on that I felt was a partial scum slip and part unintelligible. I asked him to repeat himself in a sort of humorous way. I said English please? Because the sentence while containing some English also included a word I’ve never seen before (glgl)

Somehow that was me “throwing a childish tantrum” which imo is a very bad response considering he ignored me.

He made a couple of posts and he didn’t explain it to me so i voted him. I didn’t see why town him would ignore a simple request. He later said that was me “baiting him all game” when all I was doing was trying to understand what he was saying.

To this day I don’t think he ever responded or explained what he said. To me the first part was him saying he rolled village but village isn’t a term to describe town in the flavor of this game. The “glgl me” still has me baffled.

I don’t think he has done anything unethically. I also don’t think I deserved a warning since I kept my words game related as did he. I really fault the mod for not recognizing if me using his own words is “attacking a player” then him saying I’m throwing a childish tantrum would technically be an attack.

I’m in a bad mood lately so maybe I took his post too seriously but I honestly felt his play this game crosses over the line that HE SAYS he walks.

At this point I’m over it. I just don’t want to leave the game I’m heavily invested it over a petty argument. I’m definitely expended more into day one than I should have to and it doesn’t seem to have been productive so I’ll let the better players do the work and if they decide on somebody I’m suspicious of I’ll vote there. Alternatively if somebody posts a slam dunk case to make me consider somebody I haven’t, I’ll go that route also but nobody seems to have a really good case. I don’t either though.

[Cedrick]

Yes my frustration isn’t AI.

I think I want to add gamma to my lynch list

[Cedrick]

No. I felt like you were buddying me earlier and some of your posts were weird. Like missing tchill’s obviously sarcastic post.

It’s a gut thing really.

[Cedrick]

No he made a sarcastic post and your response was off

[Cedrick]

I'm not sure how creature is lock town but noted.

[Cedrick]

Is mumble an alt of mulch?

[Cedrick]

I'm town commuter - yes, potentially one of the most useful roles in this game,

I think you meant useless

[Cedrick]

Well good. riddance. Also thanks mafia. You kind of confirmed me as town. Time to re-evaluate

[Cedrick]

Doubt that

[Cedrick]

there is still a chance both wagons could be scum but that is highly unlikely. Going to look at the VCs in a few minutes.

[Cedrick]

Can either of you give me any good reasons why you aren't the rest of the scumteam?

what a dumb question.

that's like me asking you if you can give a good reason why you aren't scum?

[Cedrick]

Well good. riddance. Also thanks mafia. You kind of confirmed me as town. Time to re-evaluate

This really needs substantiation. You had him as null and he had you as town. You're off both wagons. You mention him once and don't talk to him while his read progression on you isn't good.

no it's pretty obvious how it confirms me, if you can't see it you are [redacted] or scum. i am not going to waste my time explaining it when it's fucking obvious

[Cedrick]

Spoiler:

katherine (5): MariaR, implosion, Tchill13, Luca Blight, Mumble

implosion (5): Creature, MariaR, Havo, Mumble, Tchill13

Mumble (5): Ausuka, Killthestory, Tchill13, Cedrick, implosion

Mumble (5): Tchill13, implosion, Havo, Gamma Emerald, Cedrick
Ausuka (3): katherine, Creature, Luca Blight

implosion (7): Hopkirk, Creature, Gamma Emerald, Havo, Mumble, Killthestory, Luca Blight

Luca Blight (5): Ausuka, MariaR, katherine, Tchill13, implosion

now I suck at vca but right now I want to say scum is probably one of asuka or tchill if not both.

luca can be town, sadly hopkirk you don't get any town points for being on the wagon but you do get a reprieve from day 2 lynch because you didn't really do anything to make it happen and you weren't on the first wagon.

VOTE: asuka

this is the best chance of a scum flip imo.

p.edit - it literally has nothing to do about that.

[Cedrick]

Explain why the flip makes you town or I'm death tunneling.

To quote Smokey.

I don’t give a fuck

[Cedrick]

I’m a curser. Colorful language is my specialty. It’s a grownup game we’re playing. So I’m sorry if you don’t like curse words but I’ll never stop.

It’s no point explaining it to you because if you don’t already see it you won’t believe my explanation and just write it off as wifom it something dumb so I’m not going to waste my time on it.

[Cedrick]

Cursing is fine. Cursing instead of discussion is objectively bad.

So try and discuss something useful. You came in asking 2 terrible question.

VCa imo points to asuka probably being scum, at least deserving of some pressure.

You want to look at me/Luca when so others make more sense. Asuka/tchill for example.

That’s why I think you could be scum on the wagon. You didn’t do anything but vote park. You aren’t trying to analyze the useful stuff and instead want to look at non useful stuff.

Sure you are right me being off the wagon doesn’t clear me but it doesn’t mean I’m scum either. If you are town do better please and toughen up. This is a grown up game.

[Cedrick]

yeah, you would have to pm the mod

[Cedrick]

Tchill is on my list also. I just feel asuka is scummier and looking at how they mentioned each other especially asuka caking mumble stupid or whatever for voting implosion, I like asuka for scum better.

[Cedrick]

Did that already myself. Here - viewtopic.php?p=8411375#p8411375

There have been full commuters, limited commuters, and even mafia commuters.

[Cedrick]

asuka caking mumble stupid or whatever for voting implosion

This never happened. I asked him not to blank-votehop if he was town because at that point it was kinda impossible to read him.

Sorry. You just told him not to do it. My fault. Given the flip though it’s still suspicious to me.

[Cedrick]

Agree with Luca here. Somebody on the other wagon, probably 2 somebody’s are scum.

[Cedrick]

What part of asking a quick question means I'm focused on you/Luca?

Asking us to explain how we’re town implies scum reads and you want us to defend ourselves. Regardless of your alignment you should never ask stupid questions like that.

[Cedrick]

Tchill is on my list also. I just feel asuka is scummier and looking at how they mentioned each other especially asuka caking mumble stupid or whatever for voting implosion, I like asuka for scum better.

After looking at your vca I believe your ausuka tchill scum reads are associations are they not?

Implosion and ausuka are the only wagons I weren't on. So let's say I or ausuka flip town. Does that automatically clear the other in your opinion?

I can’t really answer that. I need an actual flip. I’ll need to see who was on and off the wagon, I’ll need to see who dies. Lots of things factor in to me reevaluating

[Cedrick]

Need an answer eventually.

You can chill the fuck out and let me get around to it.

[Cedrick]

Can either of you give me any good reasons why you aren't the rest of the scumteam?

This was your question actually. This basically is you wanting to show why we aren’t scum which implies you think we both are. Gtfoh trying to imply it means anything else. I don’t care who you tr or don’t tr but don’t try and backpedal now.

You thought we were both scum.

[Cedrick]

Need an answer eventually.

You can chill the fuck out and let me get around to it.

Tsk Tsk. You already answered and you know that. Going out of your way to slander someone in an already handled situation isn't quite the "grown up" thing to do. If you want to use grown up words why not try grown up attitudes with them?

You asked me 2 more times before I could answer. Your question wasn’t that important it needed to be asked a 2nd let alone a 3rd so my response to you was completely justified.

[Cedrick]

How haven't you mentioned, quoted, or quoted a mention of Asuka until today Cedrick?

Cause I was scum reading other people. Why do you keep asking useless questions?

[Cedrick]

Can either of you give me any good reasons why you aren't the rest of the scumteam?

This was your question actually. This basically is you wanting to show why we aren’t scum which implies you think we both are. Gtfoh trying to imply it means anything else. I don’t care who you tr or don’t tr but don’t try and backpedal now.

You thought we were both scum.

You infered that. There's a difference.
The main one being how much weight you assumed the line carried.

I inferred that because most people wouldn’t ask that question to people you aren’t scum reading. If you weren’t scum reading us there was no point to ask it.

[Cedrick]

How haven't you mentioned, quoted, or quoted a mention of Asuka until today Cedrick?

Cause I was scum reading other people. Why do you keep asking useless questions?

Why do you think?

Scum fake scum hunting most likely

[Cedrick]

Nobody else thinks anything of Luca not mentioningKatherine?

just because a player doesn't mention another player doesn't really mean anything. It's poor scum hunting if you think it does. hop is trying to do the same thing with me,

if you are town do better please

[Cedrick]

Not mentioning someone whatsoever in 40 pages suggests you aren't interested in interacting with everyone in the game.
Do you usually not interact with neutral or town reads? Or even express those reads? I see other stated reads that aren't scumreads.

again you are asking pointless questions.

[Cedrick]

my only issue with luca is she said she didn't pm the mod to commute. I don't see why a player wouldn't use their action that THEY think is the most important role.

[Cedrick]

You do realize people actually need to read you? That requires interaction. If you respond to every question with fuck off then it's kind of difficult to interact with you. It also makes you seem unpleasant.

those questions you just asked don't help people read me though, which is why they are pointless. pretty much none of the questions you asked will help read me or even determine my alignment.

[Cedrick]

You do realize people actually need to read you? That requires interaction. If you respond to every question with fuck off then it's kind of difficult to interact with you. It also makes you seem unpleasant.

those questions you just asked don't help people read me though, which is why they are pointless. pretty much none of the questions you asked will help read me or even determine my alignment.

Do you seriously not understand the concept that different players approach the game, and form reads, differently.
I like to interact with people to read them. You're scum, or an unpleasant townie to play with.

you are asking me questions that nobody can verify, they rely on me using self meta to answer. why would I answer them when meta is useless to begin with and my meta answers aren't going to convince anyone, they shouldn't even convince you.

I answered the only important question you asked, why I didn't mention Ausuka. I don't see how any of those other questions will help you determine my alignment. I could lie to you and you wouldn't know. To ask questions that rely on meta, you have to know my meta and nobody does hence the point of a secret alt.

I don't really care if anyone scum reads me, or even if i get lynched but if people sat and thought about it they would know why there is no way I could be scum who killed kts or allowed my partner to kill kts especially after we just lost 1 member.

[Cedrick]

Something that makes him think he's conftown or cleared then he will not play with people having to read him in mind because in his head he should be cleared.

yes I think I should be cleared, I also think that it should be obvious to everyone else. My issue is hopkirk came in scum reading me and luca and now tries to imply he didn't. Then he asks me a bunch of questions that aren't useful in determining my alignment.

He is one of the people on the wagon I am suspicious of and he comes in to the game fake scum hunting so that just strengthens my suspicions of him.

If people want me to answer relevant game related questions, i'll answer them but I am not answering questions about my meta which can't even be verified.

[Cedrick]

my only issue with luca is she said she didn't pm the mod to commute. I don't see why a player wouldn't use their action that THEY think is the most important role.

That and the survival lynch on implosion at the end. Sure it lynched scum. If I'm playing with Luca being scum a possibility though then Luca just lynched scum for town cred.

I usually play by odds so it's highly unlikely both wagons were on scum. If we can get a Luca flip and give a justifiable hard TR to half the player base though I think it'll be an easy win.

well yeah that is a good point also, especially how hard bussing is becoming a thing, but I am willing to give them a pass day 2

[Cedrick]

I've asked you one question that's meta based (and even that was half asking about why your interacting with A is different to other interactions this game). The main one I've been asking you isn't meta based.
If you think you can lie convincingly about x enough to convince people, why is your locktown evidence not something you could fake.

Do you usually not interact with neutral or town reads? This requires a meta defense

Or even express those reads? This requires a meta defense

There is literally no point in even asking these questions, I have 1 completed game on this account so you or anyone else can't even verify if I am telling the truth.

[Cedrick]

I've asked you plently of game related questions that you don't feel like responding to

re post these "game related" questions and I will answer them, If I feel they aren't I will explain why I don't think they are.

[Cedrick]

I am so annoyed rn

such a bizarre comment given town is in good shape.

[Cedrick]

Do yall really not see where I'm getting my confirm 6 townies thing?

I know I don't

[Cedrick]

Do yall really not see where I'm getting my confirm 6 townies thing?

I know I don't

Why would scum bus implosion if a townie was that close to being lynched? What are the odds scum bus there? Very very small. So everyone on the implosion wagon should be town.

If you believed that then you wouldn’t be suspicious of him to begin with.

[Cedrick]

Lets start with this was meant to be above the post, not in it. The post where you said you'd answer questions vanished, I assume since I went to iso and it doesn't carry over.

Well good. riddance. Also thanks mafia. You kind of confirmed me as town. Time to re-evaluate

Lets start with this.

This really needs substantiation. You had him as null and he had you as town. You're off both wagons. You mention him once and don't talk to him while his read progression on you isn't good.

A post that's effectively a synonym for 'why?'

I am not going to answer this one because it should be pretty obvious. If it isn't, you aren't going to believe my explanation anyway.

[Cedrick]

Luca, if you're really a limited shot commuter I feel like just claiming that would be worthwhile.

lol

no way should he be claiming that info today

[Cedrick]

Lots of people from this game are here too: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=75047&start=1725
Thoughts on Cedrick's tone compared to this game? Equally agressive/condescending or not?

VOTE: hopkirk

you aren't scum hunting

[Cedrick]

If you're just going to say 'it should be pretty obvious' then you give the impression that you're afraid how people will percieve it, and just want people to try and work it out/assume the best instead.

Clearly your offer to answer qs wasn't in good faith.

Why aren't you asking me anything/care about my thought process?

I don't care how people perceive it. I'd rather not waste time dealing people with saying my reasons aren't valid due to wifom because duh, everything can be argued as not valid due to wifom.

my question about GAME RELEVANT questions still stands. That question is my opinion and one I feel like everyone else should have.

I am not asking you any questions, cause you are doing an awesome job of making yourself look like scum. I don't need to ask you anything. It is clear you are fake scum hunting not actual scum hunting.

[Cedrick]

btw if you paid attention, I partly answered the question you want answered so badly.

[Cedrick]

which again is weird why you want it answered so badly since it isn't even relevant

[Cedrick]

Sure I am.
I don't see you doing anything really proactive.

No you aren’t. You are fake scum hunting. You haven’t asked a single useful question. A single question that helps anyone determine my alignment. You then go and link another game like that game matters to this one.

You came in to the day trying to smear my name and your agenda has been to continue doing it.

[Cedrick]

I'm not sure if he's town or not. That's the point.

So you think implosion/Luca were a team? That’s literally the only way you can be suspicious of Luca.

[Cedrick]

If you refuse to engage with me in a cooperative manner, I can't engage with you.

I will engage you when you ask game relevant questions.

1. tell me why you aren't part of the scum team - not relevant and absolutely stupid if you are town.
2. why did the kts kill clear you as town - this one isn't really relevant either plus it should be pretty obvious
3. you asked me why I didn't mention osuka - I answered
4 & 5 - you asked me meta related questions. meta isn't a good way to determine alignment and those questions were pretty useless

where are the legit scum hunting questions? there hasn't been any. If you are going to ask pointless questions, I don't need to engage with you nor do I care if you engage with me.

[Cedrick]

I feel like a full commuter on town is shitty game design

only one who has a right to complain about full commuter for town would be scum. Town shouldn't complain about that.

[Cedrick]

I feel like a full commuter on town is shitty game design

only one who has a right to complain about full commuter for town would be scum. Town shouldn't complain about that.

guess I'm scum then!

it's definitely a possibility

[Cedrick]

I'm not sure if he's town or not. That's the point.

So you think implosion/Luca were a team? That’s literally the only way you can be suspicious of Luca.

The urge to be sarcastic here is very high. Yes they're obviously a team if Luca is scum.

see most people would come in and think luca is town, but you don't. You are also on the short list of possible scum so it would make sense for you as scum to push that agenda, it doesn't make sense for you as town to do that though.

[Cedrick]

you talk to hopkirk like he is town. why?

[Cedrick]

Either Luca is town or he isn't.

and we won't know that anytime soon, and we aren't lynching him day 2 as he was the counter the a POWERFUL mafia role. move on

[Cedrick]

Let's say I'm scum. I lynch Luca. He flips town so I'm gonna push Katherine. Katherine flips town. Guess who's lynched next? Me. It's a stupid road to go down if I'm scum. One with limited possibilities. If you're scum you want as many possibilities as possible at all times.

you know luca isn't going to really get lynched today though. So you as scum could push luca and be written off as a dumb townie.

[Cedrick]

I feel very confident in my hopkirk TR. He sorted a ton day 1. He's asking people the motivations behind their reads. His progressions make sense. Great example of being able to show themselves as town through effort.

he had 30 posts day 1 and I don't see much sorting. He didn't even really try to sort implosion. He vote parked on implosion and did nothing to make a lynch happen. If there is scum on the wagon, he could be it. he isn't really trying to sort anyone today either, he's asking me questions that don't help sort me, they are questions that just look like he's trying to appear busy.

[Cedrick]

yeah, sorry I don't really see that as being likely and since I already sr you day 1, you just keep doing things that look like scum.

i'm good with you or a hop wagon today

[Cedrick]

I don't think I'm wrong though about scum not bussing their strongest PR when they don't have to.

yet you are pushing luca as scum which contradicts this statement.

[Cedrick]

If anyone asked you questions about your alignment you'd say their not sorting you because you're already confirmed town in your opinion.

well nobody should ask me questions about my alignment. As town my job isn't to prove I am town, it's to find scum.

[Cedrick]

You should engage people as if they're town.

Not if you scum read them.

[Cedrick]

I found scum d1

Yes. You found scum yet never gave a single reason why he was scum. You also made a couple of posts that imply you weren’t even that sure. You called him scum and voted gamma. You were voting him but said you would vote me.

Sorry. You did nothing to find implosion. You did nothing to help a wagon happen, you didn’t even seem committed to it.

You get no town credit from me since you did nothing but vote Park which could easily be scum who didn’t realize a wagon was going to actually happen.

[Cedrick]

Hopkirk. Quote the reasons you gave for implosion being scum. If you want to take credit for it which you’ve now done twice, surely you helped it happen

[Cedrick]

Hop is practically lock town.

Why?

[Cedrick]

You still should.

Why?

[Cedrick]

I didn't need to give reasons for it since it started up again without needing to.

You should have still given reasons. Lack of reasons is why I can’t give you town credit for being on it.

[Cedrick]

I’m going to take a break also. It’s another day where people I want lynched won’t get lynched most likely

[Cedrick]

Hop is practically lock town.

Why?

Because IMO there’s no way scum vote parks on what’s probably their only PR or at least a solid PR and then doesn’t try to get off it later. Buying town cred by killing a team PR like that doesn’t make sense to me. He had plenty of time to get off that wagon.

Plus he’s been engaging and trying to develop reads IMO.

If I haven’t seen it before I’d be inclined to believe it. I disagree with your assessment of his day 2 play.

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VOTE: osuaka

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I didn't need to give reasons for it since it started up again without needing to.

You should have still given reasons. Lack of reasons is why I can’t give you town credit for being on it.

So what you said about rewarding bad town play was ......

Wait for it ..........

A LIE?

What are you talking about?

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That’s actually a good point gamma.

VOTE: tchill

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That’s how I feel when I read your posts so feeling is mutual

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I agree scum are less likely to have bussed here, purely because of how tight the lynch was, and also because I claimed an unkillable pr - I'm sure scum would have loved to have offed me D1. implosion was also a pr we must remember.

If scum were on implosion it will have been one of the first on it imo.

Ironically your pr is more likely in the hands of scum then it is town
but I can just assume you're fake claiming and you're this super strong town pr for now *shrug*

Going back to this. In the completed games mafia had unlimited commuter once. Town had it at least 4 if we are going way back and 2/3 if we are just going back to the games on the link I provided earlier.

So does that change your opinion at all?

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If you refuse to engage with me in a cooperative manner, I can't engage with you.

I will engage you when you ask game relevant questions.

1. tell me why you aren't part of the scum team - not relevant and absolutely stupid if you are town.
2. why did the kts kill clear you as town - this one isn't really relevant either plus it should be pretty obvious
3. you asked me why I didn't mention osuka - I answered
4 & 5 - you asked me meta related questions. meta isn't a good way to determine alignment and those questions were pretty useless

where are the legit scum hunting questions? there hasn't been any. If you are going to ask pointless questions, I don't need to engage with you nor do I care if you engage with me.

1. Because I’m not and because my role pm says I’m town.
2. Cause people were thinking we were either TvS or TvT. If i were scum and he were town I need kts alive to continue our spat. With one scum down it would be stupid to kill kts when I could leave him alive and have us argue until eternity annoying everyone.
4. Do you usually not interact with neutral or town reads? I honestly don’t know. There are a lot of players and it’s not always possible to respond to every person. Did you respond or interact with everyone day 1? No Did others respond or interact with everyone? Don’t think so. So why do you feel the need to ask me and not everyone else?
5. Or even express those reads - No, i typical only mention people I’m scum reading. Occasionally I’ll mention people I’m town reading but day 1 it’s hard to develop town reads.

Better?

None of these questions are AI. None of them will help you or anyone else determine my alignment. Lord knows I would never ask anyone those because they certainly wouldn’t help me.

Apparently my wife is complaining about my attitude today also so for some reason I’ve got a chip on my shoulder. I’ll try to dial it down a notch.

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Looking at the games again. The last commuter without any limitations for town was 2015 and the review groups are definitely stricter now. Still think he’s town for now. I have never seen a day 1 wagon and counter wagon both on scum. Not saying it’s not possible cause it certainly is but I’m not there yet.

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What can be more powerful than strongman?

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Yeah idk. For today though he’s still town to me. Osuka/tchill/hop are my current reads.

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Don't like the push, but I got a "did not visit."

On who?

Wtf

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Don't like the push, but I got a "did not visit."

On who?

Wtf

Why is that wtf-worthy? I felt like he didn't realize he needed to claim that so I asked him for it.
btw I'm satisfied with what I got for now.

He doesn’t need to out his target and nobody should be trying to draw it out of him either.

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If he tracked town it narrows down who PRs are. If he tracked scum his result doesn’t teach us anything as the other scum could have killed.