Mini Normal 1996: Floral Mafia [Endgame!]

[Tchill13]

Wow.... That's a classic Katherine move right there.

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VOTE: creature

I'm pretty excited about the player list too.

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VOTE: Maria

If you were a flower, you’d be a DAMNdelion

@havo why did you change your disclaimer from the last game?

Found my mason partner

Awesome post on page one man.

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VOTE: Maria

If you were a flower, you’d be a DAMNdelion

@havo why did you change your disclaimer from the last game?

Found my mason partner

Awesome post on page one man.

Woman. Sorry lol.

[Tchill13]

Well that's a bit aggressive.

[Tchill13]

I like the reasoning but I wouldn't nail Katherine as scum based solely on that yet.

[Tchill13]

I'll participate...

Whats wolfy about me saying it's pretty aggressive seeing how you haven't explained why "this has got to die"?

[Tchill13]

Tunnel away my man.

I'll give you a shovel if you need one?

[Tchill13]

Man we've got some people jumping at the chance to push others EARLY.

[Tchill13]

Oh. I signed up with a few mafia genuises lol.

[Tchill13]

I like the reasoning but I wouldn't nail Katherine as scum based solely on that yet.

it was a joke then?

The word Mason was mentioned early which may be of some use later in the game but is probably nothing to worry about at this point.

[Tchill13]

Yeah. You're the type of player where if I flip town I'm bad town but you're not gonna let up till I flip. You're gonna use anything I say to reinforce your case from one perspective or another.

Go ahead though it's all amusement for me.

[Tchill13]

Yeah. You're the type of player where if I flip town I'm bad town but you're not gonna let up till I flip. You're gonna use anything I say to reinforce your case from one perspective or another.

Go ahead though it's all amusement for me.

After I stop replying to KTS this is my stance on him throughout the game. I will ignore him after a point in order to play the game and focus on helping town. I'm not getting myself involved in a 1v1 that hurts town.

I hard TR KTS and that's that.

[Tchill13]

I hard TR KTS and that's that.

Why?

Tell me exactly why scum start such a thing day 1? There's no reason for it. The most efficient way for scum to play that helps them in the long run is minimal stances day 1.

[Tchill13]

engagement and adversity is the point on mafia, lol. it's not bad when we have a 1v1 thunderdome because it gives other players a chance to sort us and make opinions that in turn helps us sort them.

it becomes bad when you grow frustrated and the other player in turn. that's not the case, so i'd hope you'll continue talking to me because i'm genuinely trying to sort you, friend.

As long as it's civil. I just refuse to take part in a pissing contest that from my judgment hurts town more than it helps. I've never learned how to read "tone" and I think a lot of tone cases are a little biased because it seems easy to push whatever you want to believe from "tone". I really don't care for rvs or day one which is why you maybe getting odd vibes from my posting.

[Tchill13]

Maybe so.

He's got a hard TR from me at the moment. That's really not anything to worry about seeing how it's not lylo atm.

[Tchill13]

I've played like 20-30 games on site. I've played enough to understand why you pointed me out specifically.

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I don't necessarily believe RVS is where you show a transparency in being town. Seeing how part of it literally means Random.

[Tchill13]

It's good to know that's what you believe. I'm not saying it's wrong and by no means am I saying I'm right but we can agree to disagree. Seems like more of a game style discussion.

[Tchill13]

VOTE: mumble

[Tchill13]

You're only voting mumble off meta aren't you?

[Tchill13]

i'd vote there if mumble wasn't almost certainly a wolf.

Welcome to Real World mafiascum. Where people stop being fake and start being real.

Basically all of the reads you have given are fake in attempt to stir up drama. Please stop

You think he's scum starting drama?

[Tchill13]

i understand, man, and i'm cognizant of that now that i realize you truly had no idea what you were doing (and i mean that in the nicest way possible) with no ulterior scum agenda. i would like to know still how much experience you have with mafia in general though because from your join date, i thought you'd have a lot more.

VOTE: Mumble
this almost always hits a wolf.

btw iirc mariar has played a game where we were both wolves, but that was a while ago.

"almost always"?

[Tchill13]

Idk if he’s scum yet but I’m leaning that way. If he is town I don’t believe for a second he believes any of the reads he’s given.

If he was town he'd definitely believe his reads. No reason to give reads he doesn't believe them if he's town.

[Tchill13]

Do you believe your reads?

[Tchill13]

My vote on implosion is now serious.

What made it serious?

[Tchill13]

I don't think there's enough reason to scum read mumble. I do appreciate activity but I feel like you're definitely trying to take control of the game and I also don't like how you pointed out you could be aggressive as scum also.

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I just don't see why you even brought it up. No need to.

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What about it? Should he be drawing the same conclusion as you..?

It's very beg-the-question-y, as though it would be reasonable to nail someone as scum off of a single point. It looks like scum hedging on either a scumbuddy or on a townie and not really sure if they want to risk joining the possibly-developing wagon.

Early day one I'm down for any wagon that's not mine.

[Tchill13]

guys... i get you think tchill is scum, i saw that, too, but i think he's just an inexperienced townie. a lot of the stuff he says comes across as scummy, but i looked it over and realized the guy really doesn't know how to play mafia. pls don't lynch him.

also hi luca! didn't realize you were in this game. hi maria, too.

cedrick, luca, maria, creature, tchill, all v.
katherine, gamma slight v.
feeling implosion, mumble, ausoka as w.

rest i still gotta sort

Very odd of you to defend/undermine me when I only have 2 votes on me. Are you that worried I'm gonna be lynched? Or do you NEED to get the point across that you believe I'm town and I'm terrible? Because if you want people to think I'm town because I'm terrible you don't want people listening to my reasoning. Why would you make sure that didn't happen?

[Tchill13]

And I'm not claiming I'm terrible or inexperienced. Killthestory is claiming that. I'm claiming I'm semi experienced and decent.

@gamma I change my play up quite a bit. Just because I don't play the same way every time doesn't mean I'm scum.

[Tchill13]

It's very obvious KTS wants to get the thought across that I'm not a good player and while I should be TR'd I probably shouldn't be listened to.

Thoughts on that?

[Tchill13]

And I'm not claiming I'm terrible or inexperienced. Killthestory is claiming that. I'm claiming I'm semi experienced and decent.

@gamma I change my play up quite a bit. Just because I don't play the same way every time doesn't mean I'm scum.

Well your play isn't very good anyway, plus I was arguing that you weren't inexperienced, not that you have a solid meta trend.

It's very obvious KTS wants to get the thought across that I'm not a good player and while I should be TR'd I probably shouldn't be listened to.

Thoughts on that?

Well if you're town I'm gonna be looking at him like this because that sounds like scum devaluing your opinion in that case.

well im definitely town and thanks lol.

[Tchill13]

Luca seems town enough from his case on me.

[Tchill13]

Hello Hello Hello.

Before I RVS vote, let me introduce myself.

I’m a mediocre mafia player at best who really dislikes Day 1s.
I’ve been known to quick hammer peeps on Day 1 if it’s just a day or two
Into the game to get the game moving.

I’m generally quite active and polite. But I have been called terrible town, an idiot and a Liar.
As recently as my last game.

But I’m looking forward to a great game with this player list.

Can we not excuse d1 quickhammers

Just because you're terrible doesn't mean you get to bring everyone else down

oh gamma's taking multiple shots. i feel better now lol.

Exactly what does calling people terrible accomplish again? Why not just play with that in mind in stead of making sure everyone knows you think X is trash at the game? Are you the king of mafia? because we need to work as a team instead of degrading multiple people before we get into the actual game.

[Tchill13]

Hm maybe so actually. Tchill why were you inconsistent with your treatment of mumble? You voted him and then said there was no reason to SR him. I understand you wanted to counterwagon but was there anything that made you want to vote them over say, Katherine or implosion?

had i layed down a meaningful vote it would have been between Mumble or katherine. I voted just to wagon. I haven't seen anything "scummy" from implosion yet.

I honestly voted mumble just because i was told to.

[Tchill13]

Wow.... That's a classic Katherine move right there.

VOTE: Maria

If you were a flower, you’d be a DAMNdelion

@havo why did you change your disclaimer from the last game?

Found my mason partner

Awesome post on page one man.

VOTE: Maria

If you were a flower, you’d be a DAMNdelion

@havo why did you change your disclaimer from the last game?

Found my mason partner

Awesome post on page one man.

Woman. Sorry lol.

VOTE: tchill

this has got to die. i rolled village btw glgl me

Well that's a bit aggressive.

this response by TChill kinda feels like he's confused but doesn't want to be like "whymefryme"

wouldn't you be a bit confused if someone was determined you were scum after 4 minimal posts? it also could have been sarcasm so i was "testing the waters" to see if it was a serious statement or not.

[Tchill13]

I hard TR KTS and that's that.

Why?

Tell me exactly why scum start such a thing day 1? There's no reason for it. The most efficient way for scum to play that helps them in the long run is minimal stances day 1.

This is obviously BS, although I feel like he genuinely believes this.

Maybe so.

He's got a hard TR from me at the moment. That's really not anything to worry about seeing how it's not lylo atm.

I don't like how settled Tchill is on this read - Kill even admitted he plays like that as either alignment, but Tchill maintains his hard townread on these shaky grounds.

I'd say hard-townreading someone based on faulty reasoning is a cause for concern no matter how far into the game we are.

i see aggressive, narrow minded pushes more so from town than scum. Idc that he went out of his way to state that he played like that. He was either trying to accomplish the fact that i realize he could still be scum or that he's trying to be transparent. His play style seems like he's a very confident. If he's such a confident player i believe he's actually trying to let me know he's that good as scum instead of trying to seem transparent for a TR.

[Tchill13]

so is no one gonna link a tchill towngame?

i'm not going to because i wouldn't use meta to read me. I'm always trying to evolve my play for the better (i'm human and mess up though).

[Tchill13]

ah. That's my absolute best town game.

[Tchill13]

This is such a blatantly scummy thing to say

Why is it scummy? I’m inclined to believe it except I’ll go one further and say even a wagon on me would be fine. Wagons = pressure which = discussion which = game solving.

hey this guy gets it.

[Tchill13]

so is no one gonna link a tchill towngame?

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=74256
I don't like meta but if it suits you bud

What's bad is i think its an accurate depiction of where im at as a player. I was hoping i'd never see it again though

[Tchill13]

I don't think there's enough reason to scum read mumble. I do appreciate activity but I feel like you're definitely trying to take control of the game and I also don't like how you pointed out you could be aggressive as scum also.

VOTE: mumble

VOTE: Tchill

i'm not allowed to vote someone before post 100 without a serious case? I admitted i'm voting someone without a serious reason which is no different than voting someone in RVS. Why is it only scummy because i admitted it?

[Tchill13]

I don't think there's enough reason to scum read mumble. I do appreciate activity but I feel like you're definitely trying to take control of the game and I also don't like how you pointed out you could be aggressive as scum also.

I don't get your mindset here - you hard townread Kill because scum wouldn't be aggressive early D1, but then dislike Kill admitting he's aggressive as either alignment?

Backwards reasoning.

What about it? Should he be drawing the same conclusion as you..?

It's very beg-the-question-y, as though it would be reasonable to nail someone as scum off of a single point. It looks like scum hedging on either a scumbuddy or on a townie and not really sure if they want to risk joining the possibly-developing wagon.

Early day one I'm down for any wagon that's not mine.

This is such a blatantly scummy thing to say I'm almost thinking it's Town.

This post is objectively false.
It's not backwards reasoning because doing something and

saying

something are 2 dif things. Acting one way is something admitting to it is something else and I think that's the case and point here.

Point 2:
How is that scummy? It's just blunt and true. Sure it's not the most optimal town play but that doesn't mean it's scummy.
Like day 1 for me I fully expect to be suspected maybe even lynched so I might just "roll with the flow"
same type of reasoning.

maria's looking pretty good too.

[Tchill13]

Gamma's prob town

I was hoping you would get scum vibes from gamma. I can't tell if he's town making an honest push or scum pushing LHF.

[Tchill13]

idk how to take Havos change if he said it was before the game that would've made it now saying he did it while he was posting could mean self conscious scum but the tone so far feels like town who genuinely didn't want to fuck something up.
Whew sr and a tr so far Maria you are on fire
Pedit: I don't think you should give tips regardless and let us see the reaction

This feels like fake sorting - reading too much into something NAI while drawing a vague conclusion -

"could be scum, could be town"

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"reading too much into something NAI." Luca is coming off as try hard town looking in the wrong places.

[Tchill13]

I'm townread ... Tchill for particular reasons.

You're wrong

Anyone notice the aggressive push on me after i stated i town read KTS for his aggressive push?

[Tchill13]

Luca Blight can also join the townclub. If there's scum on Tchill it's Gamma.

pedit:

If we lynched Tchill and he flipped scum, I probably wouldn't townread KTS for it.

Them being scumbuddies could explain him continuing to hard-townread KTS even after KTS himself dismissed his point, but that's kinda meh. He'd stay null.

The Luca tr comes out of no where

Where is it supposed to come from? It's page 8. What he posted makes sense and appears to come from a town mindset.

"Oh look a towny who made a wall post that seems to have reasoning lets tr that"

...What I did was literally just townreading Luca. That's it. There's absolutely no reason why that means I'm scum here. Like maybe if you were scumreading me for not giving reasoning I could at least understand it. But what you're doing here just makes no sense at all.

The bolded is interesting cause the first thing that came to mind was "Partner with Tchill who knows he'll flip scum and is trying to not credit KTS"

... what. KTS isn't even voting Tchill. No, he doesn't get towncred because he pushed him for like a page at the start of a game.

I'm pretty happy voting this for now actually.
VOTE: MariaR

i don't like ausuka voting Maria immediately after maria makes some pushes on ausuka.

[Tchill13]

VOTE: katherine

Ausuka is my 2nd biggest SR. Gamma is a scum lean.

Maria, KTS and Cedrick town. Luca is a town lean.

Rest is null.

[Tchill13]

Oh KTS you were doing so good.

[Tchill13]

@kts there's no way you read the entire game that fast in detail and if that's your scum push on me it's week.

[Tchill13]

I'm townread ... Tchill for particular reasons.

You're wrong

Anyone notice the aggressive push on me after i stated i town read KTS for his aggressive push?

No? You're twisting things now. I started pushing you when your inconsistency became very blatant.

Nice of you to just ignore me when I call you on your shit Teech.

I'm not ignoring you. You're posts are not the most important every post. I'll get back to you.

[Tchill13]

don't need to push you, and didn't need to read the entire game.

This is exactly what I expected. You pick and choose the information to fit your narrative at all times. Just admitted to not looking at the whole thing in context. Which I assume is how you play to push you're agenda. I feel that you're agenda is superior town but I'm not one hundred percent sure.

[Tchill13]

I'm not sure if they're online because I didn't get access to the scum thread.

[Tchill13]

I don't necessarily believe that just because I don't play the same way you do on day one that it's anti town gamma. It's good to know you see yourself as the teacher and I'm the juvenile delinquent that must correct my ways.

[Tchill13]

don't need to push you, and didn't need to read the entire game.

This is exactly what I expected. You pick and choose the information to fit your narrative at all times. Just admitted to not looking at the whole thing in context. Which I assume is how you play to push you're agenda. I feel that you're agenda is superior town but I'm not one hundred percent sure.

lol

Am I wrong? My read on you is pretty simple. I believe you're town because I see this "superiority complex" comp from town more often than scum. In sure you are better than me at the game. You're wrong about your read on me though and you only pick and choose certain parts that fit your agenda. I'm not gonna ask you to look at the whole context I can't make you but I will point out the fact you can only laugh at me instead of dispute my point.

[Tchill13]

Why even do you dislike day 1 so much? The point of it is to generate information for future days. Cutting it off early ruins that. Your whole philosophy is rather anti-town. I am of the same mindset school teachers have for delinquent students: if you're not gonna learn fine but don't disrupt the learning of others. Substitute interact with learn and you get my stance on how day 1 dislikers should be acting.

It seems to be directed at havo but I dislike day one also so at first glance I thought you were talking to me.

[Tchill13]

I'd be fine with a Katherine lynch

[Tchill13]

VOTE: katherine

[Tchill13]

katherine wagon formation always hit a villager.

So what do you want to do about it?

[Tchill13]

Had a mumble wagon formed in the same way would that be hitting a villager? Because Katherine and mumble were the 2 pointed out.

[Tchill13]

Had a mumble wagon formed in the same way would that be hitting a villager? Because Katherine and mumble were the 2 pointed out.

[Tchill13]

scummy mumble pop in

Alright man continue to push you're agenda. All I ask is you explain reads and don't blatantly push things that are obviously biased.

[Tchill13]

Superior? I seriously think you're a better player than me. I just don't agree with reads made off of 5ish posts early day 1. Don't lose the excitement. Apathy only helps scum.

I think Katherine is scummier than mumble if we are comparing the two (yes there is a lack to compare on mumble but I have more to work with when it comes to Katherine and I see no sorting whatsoever) and ik you're wrong about me because I'm town.

I just ask you play with an open mind and if you seriously think I'm scum you need to actually vote me and push it logically rather than saying "well I thought tchill maybe town but now ik tchill is scum for sure now because I read 1/10 of a game he played terrible in". That just looks weird man.

[Tchill13]

I like your break down.

I thought KTS was town because I see that style of play from town a lot but if he's gonna pitch a fit and begin to coast he may need to be the day one lynch because my confidence has been wavering on my read due to his down hill spiral.

Gamma come off a little odd as well. Declared I was scum based off my meta I do believe.

I'm not sure if you want MY input but of the two is believe gamma to be scum. I feel that rn scum could try to spearhead a lynch on me and brush it off as "tchill needs to play more like a towny day 1" and continue with the game. I get that vibe more from gamma than I do KTS.

Just because KTS is antagonistic doesn't mean he's scum. He's probably hard headed town which I'm willing to deal with as long as he participates.

[Tchill13]

VOTE: implosion

[Tchill13]

There is something to be said about obviously being hesitant to give anything concrete on day 1.

[Tchill13]

What about KTS prodding implosion then switching back to mumble after a few votes were built up?

[Tchill13]

VOTE: mumble

I don't even care if There's no real evidence to suggest he isn't town at this point. I'm OK with lynching dead weight that'll more than likely always be in my lynch pool day 1. A few ppl have made a strong stance on him so this will be good.

[Tchill13]

Inclined to think Mumble is more of a lynchbait though lol

I kind of agree with this but we also can't just excuse his bad behaviour either or else he will think it's ok to do again and again.

Ooh... Are you suggesting policy? If mumble flips town this should be looked at.

[Tchill13]

People would be a lot better off if they didn't try to sort me until around day 3.

I'm thinking one of the wagons that quickly grew then disappeared was on scum because of his quick the event was.

[Tchill13]

Yeah, Mumble is prob just lynchbait town.

if you think mumble is lynchbait why wouldnt you think the previous wagon, katherine, is scum?

[Tchill13]

Cedrick's stocks are definitely falling in my books

oh I could have told you my stock was a bad investment. I have done nothing to earn all those town reads I had so people dropping them is par for the course.

VOTE: Cedrick

I've seen enough of this dance.

don't you agree with him that he never really earned those TR's? people kinda just gave him TR's.

[Tchill13]

Yeah, Mumble is prob just lynchbait town.

Scum:

i dont think mumble is the only person capable of being mislynched if he is town rn. If i was scum and mumble was town... you bet your bottom dollar im keeping him in this game. He's an asset to scum if he's town this game.

[Tchill13]

VOTE: Cedrick

I've seen enough of this dance.

so you've seen AI stuff from me? if yes what?

Yes, your posts.

are you 12 or are you just purposefully chastising someone?

[Tchill13]

well there's multple people not game solving now so i fail to see why you voted him specifically over other players. sorting katherine, mumble or applying pressure to them is a better vote than cedrick atm.

Creature seems to have been making some noise here recently.

[Tchill13]

im not gonna lynch KTS, MAriaR, havo, cedrick or gamma day 1.

I'll be on the leading wagon of any player not named though.

[Tchill13]

if im scum here im keeping katherine and mumble alive as long as possible (assuming they're VT) maybe brass/gamma/creature depending on how wrong they are this day phase.

[Tchill13]

Creature seems to have been making some noise here recently.

Sure, getting a scumteam and extra townreads is now the definition of noise.

scum team guesses on day 1 are the worst thing you can do lol.

[Tchill13]

im not gonna lynch KTS, MAriaR, havo, cedrick or gamma day 1.

I'll be on the leading wagon of any player not named though.

Why are you townreading those people then, enough to be cinfident enough to not lynch them today?

im TR'ing KTS and Maria. im confident to be able to sort havo and cedrick later day phases. Gamma is on the fence but he's active and trying and im leaning town there.

[Tchill13]

Creature seems to have been making some noise here recently.

Sure, getting a scumteam and extra townreads is now the definition of noise.

scum team guesses on day 1 are the worst thing you can do lol.

Not really.

Unless you keep making flip-dependent reads.

the odds of you ending the day while voting scum is the slimmest day 1. The odds of you correctly guessing the scum team are laughable.

[Tchill13]

Yeah, Mumble is prob just lynchbait town.

if you think mumble is lynchbait why wouldnt you think the previous wagon, katherine, is scum?

There's still a good chance both are town.

would you be against lynching either today? opposed to cedrick.

[Tchill13]

Actually I'm pretty heh on katherine and Mumble.

Just gonna pretend that if one of them is scum it's likely gonna be caught.

VOTE: creature

this hot potato is gonna stay here a while.

[Tchill13]

can we please just lynch somebody before this game gets super stagnate?

[Tchill13]

VOTE: mumble

no matter if he flips town or scum this is advantageous to town.

[Tchill13]

Oh...Tchill hopped off and back on.

Lowered my blood pressure by a few dozen mmHg. I've been trying hard this game not to lose my temper.

lose your temper? how about provide some content.

[Tchill13]

The two are entirely unrelated...but the former is something that I have been called out on in almost all my games, so I am actively working on it.

The latter has been done. Unless you think I need to make 86 posts to summarize where I'm at in the game...

Or maybe I should spend my time calling people bad and advocate for ending the day because I'm bored.

i'm not calling anyone bad. i've seen you play quite well before unless im mistaken. if you continue to play like this though you're a hindrance to town.

[Tchill13]

im not bored either but now we are reaching the pint where we go in circles. if day 1 hits page 20 it almost always goes to page 40 and we almost always lynch town.

[Tchill13]

Okay I’m doing I the normal way from now on.

you're just struggling lol.

[Tchill13]

somebody tell me the difference in mumble, katherine and havo. the difference that makes havo scum but the other two town.

[Tchill13]

it's very telling that mumble grew then all of a sudden he was "lynchbait". Scum could have called him lynch bait. No i don't know for certain his alignment. Lynching a townie scum can EASILY use to manipulate is the next best thing to lynching scum. The odds of him being scum are 1 in 4. If he's scum that gets away with it day 1 he'll get away with it days 2, 3 and 4. Same goes for katherine.

I always try to look at the benefit of mislynching opposed to lynching. If there's an avenue to persue if X player flips town and if theres an avenue to persue if the same player flips scum. Sure we want to lynch scum every time but we simply can't. Plus, there's no concrete evidence he or katherine is town.

seriously people every wagon half the votes are naked votes. That's not good for reading day 1 later on in the game. We shouldn't allow a wagon made up of naked votes.

[Tchill13]

Okay I’m doing I the normal way from now on.

you're just struggling lol.

hmmmm?

with the quotes.

[Tchill13]

This Implosion wagon is terrible, and Havo is the one who looks worst on it imo.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Havo

VOTE: Havo

VOTE: havo

ok so we can agree a wagon is not really a threat until about vote 4 on a 7 to lynch right?

so arguably the most important votes on a wagon are the one's that get the wagon to "real possibility" territory.

Votes 2, 3 and 4 imo. The 1st vote carries very little weight alone.

I'm gonna need a reason for those votes. They look like "throw shit at the wall and hope it sticks" votes. As in you just want someone lynched.

KTS has voted about half the player list at this point When he had Scum!Tchill nailed from the get go, called him town then nailed him again later.

This is one of many oppurtunistic Cedrick moves i've seen and of the players that contributed im closest to voting him.

[Tchill13]

TChill please look past the activity and look at Katehrine's content please, thoughts will be required

Activity isn't AI. It is required to show the rest of the game that you're town though. I'm talking Strong TR. So while the "content" hasn't been scummy I'd like to continue with a group ik is going to play the game. That can be transparently town when i need them to be. I can't trust Katherine or Mumble atm but would love to play with them if they actually decide to participate. (Tone reads only seem to be made when it comes to players with low content. If you can read someone on tone that's great. I can't.)

[Tchill13]

somebody tell me the difference in mumble, katherine and havo. the difference that makes havo scum but the other two town.

who is saying that?

anybody that votes havo.

[Tchill13]

can I get some reads from you

Yes.

{Creature, Killthestory}
{Gamma Emerald, MariaR}
{Tchill13, Ausuka, brassherald, Havo}
{katherine, Luca Blight, Cedrick}
{implosion}

with some explanation for them?

No.

VOTE: mumble

VOTE: havo

past RVS this looks to be you're only serious votes.

[Tchill13]

i understand, man, and i'm cognizant of that now that i realize you truly had no idea what you were doing (and i mean that in the nicest way possible) with no ulterior scum agenda. i would like to know still how much experience you have with mafia in general though because from your join date, i thought you'd have a lot more.

VOTE: Mumble
this almost always hits a wolf.

btw iirc mariar has played a game where we were both wolves, but that was a while ago.

wait nvm read the game maria linked. he's scum here LOL.

i've nailed like 2 wolves already, but there might be a wolf eluding me. depends on tchill's flip.

deepwolf: maria or gamma (this depends on flips), implosion, mumble, tchill wolves.

ausoka, katherine gotta be sorted.

i think that's sorta gamesolving, but a wolf might be eluding me.

scummy mumble pop in

VOTE: implosion

this guy cant make a solid read on anyone not being aggressive and not being scummy looool. shuld probably get him out of here.

VOTE: Mumble

VOTE: Havo

So he votes mumble. Nails me as scum after the linked game (DOESN'T change his vote though). Stays on "Scummy" Mumble.

So i'm assuming he feels great about his mumble, Tchill scum reads.

Votes implsion for decent reasoning, i'm not gonna argue with it. Then the naked vote on havo... Looks to me he's making the easiest pushes he can make.

[Tchill13]

TChill please look past the activity and look at Katehrine's content please, thoughts will be required

Activity isn't AI. It is required to show the rest of the game that you're town though. I'm talking Strong TR. So while the "content" hasn't been scummy I'd like to continue with a group ik is going to play the game. That can be transparently town when i need them to be. I can't trust Katherine or Mumble atm but would love to play with them if they actually decide to participate. (Tone reads only seem to be made when it comes to players with low content. If you can read someone on tone that's great. I can't.)

When Katherine has participated she's been pretty towny imo, that's why I wanted you to read her posts, so that I could try to get you to see that, but you seem to be having more fun discrediting her so u-do-u
VOTE: TChill13

discredit? i've done no such thing. I simply disagreed that i'm ok with calling him town based off his content. I read it. It's not good enough for me. Not once did i talk about his actually play in a negative manner. I think it's great you can declare a strong TR on such low content. I can't. Have i definitively called katherine scum? I haven't.

If you want to vote me that's fine. Explain correctly why you're voting me though. I mean if you want to of course. I'm not having any of that BS though.

[Tchill13]

ok so we can agree a wagon is not really a threat until about vote 4 on a 7 to lynch right?

so arguably the most important votes on a wagon are the one's that get the wagon to "real possibility" territory.

Votes 2, 3 and 4 imo. The 1st vote carries very little weight alone.

I'm gonna need a reason for those votes. They look like "throw shit at the wall and hope it sticks" votes. As in you just want someone lynched.

KTS has voted about half the player list at this point When he had Scum!Tchill nailed from the get go, called him town then nailed him again later.

This is one of many oppurtunistic Cedrick moves i've seen and of the players that contributed im closest to voting him

1. why would you ever excuse vote number 1? everyone on a wagon should be scrutinized equally or nobody at all
2. havo didn't have 4 votes on him so I am not even sure why you are rambling on in the first place
3. not a fan of you discrediting everyone voting him like that, you should try to find out the reasons first instead of just blanket shading everyone
4. what is stopping you from voting me? Better yet what do I need to do to push you off that fence you are sitting on?

i need toi be sure about a scum read day 1 to vote there before im ok with not lynching someone that could be in my lynch pool for the foreseeable future.

[Tchill13]

Tchill, you're criticising others for naked votes, but you've had your own fair share:

VOTE: mumble

VOTE: katherine

Ausuka is my 2nd biggest SR. Gamma is a scum lean.

Maria, KTS and Cedrick town. Luca is a town lean.

Rest is null.

VOTE: katherine

VOTE: implosion

Your other votes on Creature and Mumble also had little reasoning.

The question is, why are you suddenly objecting to this happening to Havo?

yeah thats quite hypocritical isnt it? We hit day 1 and a half (pages 25-40 imo). I dont try to solve anything day 1 i just want it to be over. If it last too long though you'll see some effort. One of those "oh you're actually gonna make me play day 1 fine then" things. I'm ok with absolutely anything until i feel like i need to try. Then of course after i put in some effort im gonna be opposed to some stuff.

[Tchill13]

Tchill, you're criticising others for naked votes, but you've had your own fair share:

ik im hypocritical early game and i really dont care tbh.

[Tchill13]

Tchill, you're criticising others for naked votes, but you've had your own fair share:

ik im hypocritical early game and i really dont care tbh.

Once again. All easy pushes from Cedric day 1.

I feel better about town Luca

[Tchill13]

Didn't mean to quote

[Tchill13]

Katherine and mumble are not easy pushes atm I made them (post pg 25) because they had already been run up and died down. You made a push on mumble as it was forming, me (as one who's been talked about but hasn't seen any wagon growth) and havo who's not been as active than most but more active than Katherine or mumble.

If you want to revisit KTS I might join you in that seeing how he is openly ignoring game discussion.

I'm not OK with letting mumble and Katherine slide right through but I don't have 7 votes at my disposal.

[Tchill13]

I'm aware of my play. Yes I was making easy pushes to get the day over with. I'm not doing that anymore. I'm trying to lynch what's best for town.

I don't scum read mumble or katherine. I don't have a read on them at all and I don't think I will anytime soon because of lack of activity. From my experience someone pulls VT and they just don't want to play. I've also seen PRs lurk to avoid the NK and I've seen scum slide right on through so it's literally NAI. I'm against letting them be NAI for the entirety of the game and would like to deal with such a thing now instead of later.

I'm more positive that lynching one of these slots will help us more than risking a mislynch of a player thats actually contributing but we think is scum.

I will compromise on whatever lynch I see necessary.

Of the "active players" KTS and Cedric are on the board for me atm.

At least GAMMA is pursuing things aggressively with passion. Luca just seems town to me.

I'm always always always against policy. This isn't policy. This is "they could be scum and from an objective point of view mislynching them early is better than mislynching players that are giving effort." You can call it policy but I won't.

[Tchill13]

Whatever is actually the case town is pretty split. Everyone has the same amount of votes on them.

[Tchill13]

Maria how confident is you ausuka read?

[Tchill13]

I'll iso everyone and try to reassess my reads here shortly.

[Tchill13]

nevermind checked for myself. 3 days. 3 days and Cedrick says it's gone on forever.

IRL time doesn't matter. We're almost at page 30 and we're about as split as can be. When we inevitably lynch town it'll just reaffirm why I hate day 1s so much.

[Tchill13]

Gamma I didn't mean to all caps your name lol.

[Tchill13]

Tchill on page 16 is bleeding town IMO.

tchill had 1 post on page 16.

want to try again?

I meant page 26, sorry.

Yeah I’ll disagree with that also. His hard defense of havo is weird. His assumption that just cause people are voting havo means people town read the other 2 is not only weird but factually incorrect.
Also he contradicted himself in a very scummy manner.

I’m more confident of my scum read of him because of 26

It is factually correct that if you vote someone then you believe those you are not voting are more town than the person you are voting. If you want to claim your vote is "pressure" that's fine. It loses half its meaning but that's not on me that's on you. Your vote is your biggest weapons as a VT and I assume all players are VT until given a reason not to.

[Tchill13]

I don't really get the Havo votes on page 25. On that page I can only see playstyle-related things.

you don't understand the process of pressuring somebody?

I was under the impression the votes were because Havo was being scummy? I mean even if it's pressure you still pressure the person you think is scummy right?

Well yeah. Havo is kind of scummy. Hence the need to pressure him. I question anyone who is able to town read him cause I don’t see much town AI stuf

Same goes for chumba and Katherine.

[Tchill13]

VOTE: katherine
Too many already.
btw I'm super excited about this playerlist

I don't think there's enough reason to scum read mumble. I do appreciate activity but I feel like you're definitely trying to take control of the game and I also don't like how you pointed out you could be aggressive as scum also.

VOTE: mumble

VOTE: Tchill

Kinda crazy that gamma opened up with a vote on Katherine and the two times he voted me was for pushing either Katherine or mumble...

[Tchill13]

It is factually correct that if you vote someone then you believe those you are not voting are more town than the person you are voting.

I don’t agree that’s factually correct at all considering my highest scum read remains kts

This means nothing if your vote isn't there. Actions speak louder than words.

[Tchill13]

I don't really get the Havo votes on page 25. On that page I can only see playstyle-related things.

you don't understand the process of pressuring somebody?

I was under the impression the votes were because Havo was being scummy? I mean even if it's pressure you still pressure the person you think is scummy right?

Well yeah. Havo is kind of scummy. Hence the need to pressure him. I question anyone who is able to town read him cause I don’t see much town AI stuf

Same goes for chumba and Katherine.

Lmao. Mumble. Mumble and Katherine. (I play on my phone a ton and autocorrect tends to remember players names that I've typed quite a bit. No offense intended. I'm sure the "umb" is what caused this)

[Tchill13]

VOTE: katherine
Too many already.
btw I'm super excited about this playerlist

I don't think there's enough reason to scum read mumble. I do appreciate activity but I feel like you're definitely trying to take control of the game and I also don't like how you pointed out you could be aggressive as scum also.

VOTE: mumble

VOTE: Tchill

Kinda crazy that gamma opened up with a vote on Katherine and the two times he voted me was for pushing either Katherine or mumble...

@gamma you didn't want to comment on this?

[Tchill13]

Let's agree to disagree. I don't even want to mention the "T" word.

I feel pretty good about implosion atm. I think he's town.

[Tchill13]

Tchill's reactions have actually been pretty transparently townie, so I'm flipping my read on that one.

Also getting decent townreads on Havo and Creature. Lighter townreads on Cedrick, Implosion and Ausuka. Brass and Gamma seem Ok too. I will probably explain these in a bit.

KTS is someone who will be hard for me to trust after the last game I played with him - he played very similar as scum, being overly-confident in his reads early on and generally looking to dominate proceedings. That whole playstyle rubs me the wrong way to be honest, but I have him as null for the time being.

I still don't like Maria, but Katherine seems a decent bet.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Katherine

Luca what do you think about his 180 in play style. He's very passive now and seems to be just going along atm. He's gotten away from his strong stances and has even began to naked vote people. Specifically his havo vote. Do you have any thoughts?

[Tchill13]

After iso's so far. (About halfway done)

Luca and implosion are strong TR's.

[Tchill13]

Gamma's prob town

Only issue with Ausuka scum is it somewhat points to Tchii scum and ehhh on that.

looking for a deepwolf i'd say it could be maria as a likely candidate for it. luca i dont think so, and no one else looks like theyre trying to deepwolf. pr0bably just gonna keep maria on a leash the entire game lol.

gonna read up on tchill and make my final judgement on the dude.

Welcome to the town block
Also you're not wrong.

I think KTS "how many mafia are there" dumbtell was legit

As I was keeping up with the game I TR'd Maria but these are a few if her posts from her iso I disagree with.

[Tchill13]

As much as I hated to see that long wall post from KTS, I’m starting to come around to more of a town read on his slot.
And I think Katherine is more likely town now that she has posted more.

Really hate Mumbles vote park, I could easily vote there for today.

I still get a weird feeling from Maria for some reason but not sure it’s AI.

The more Implosion posts the less I like what he says or maybe what he doesn’t say.

VOTE: implosion

I think this is good for now.

I'm failing to see how implosion is scummier than KTS atm. Of course this is after KTS has changed his style of play and is now way more passive. Given that information do you still think KTS is more likely to be town than implosion? Atm.

[Tchill13]

Very early Day 1 reads for me -

Katherine - Null
Tchill - Lean Town, familiarity, nothing feels off as of yet
Creature - Null
Ausuka - Towny, makes sense and I like the tone
Gamma - Null I guess, I go back and forth here.
Brass Herald - Very slight town lean here.
Cedrick - Very slight town lean, tone mainly
Mumble - Null, not much to look at
KTS - Leaning Scum here, aggressive scum, false reads maybe
Maria - Town lean here, but a bad gut feeling for some reason
Luca - Null, not a fan of his tunnel vision early
Implosion - Null, slight town maybe

VOTE: KTS

As much as I hated to see that long wall post from KTS, I’m starting to come around to more of a town read on his slot.
And I think Katherine is more likely town now that she has posted more.

Really hate Mumbles vote park, I could easily vote there for today.

I still get a weird feeling from Maria for some reason but not sure it’s AI.

The more Implosion posts the less I like what he says or maybe what he doesn’t say.

VOTE: implosion

I think this is good for now.

You had a handful of other nulls and you picked implosion to move to. You claim it was for a lack of what you'd seen him say. You also say you didn't like mmble 's vote park but you seem to have done the same thing with implosion.

[Tchill13]

it explains exactly the type of player you are when you consider self hammering helping town.

No you're not a villain. Just another player that expects others to play by your textbook.

[Tchill13]

As much as I hated to see that long wall post from KTS, I’m starting to come around to more of a town read on his slot.
And I think Katherine is more likely town now that she has posted more.

Really hate Mumbles vote park, I could easily vote there for today.

I still get a weird feeling from Maria for some reason but not sure it’s AI.

The more Implosion posts the less I like what he says or maybe what he doesn’t say.

VOTE: implosion

I think this is good for now.

I'm failing to see how implosion is scummier than KTS atm. Of course this is after KTS has changed his style of play and is now way more passive. Given that information do you still think KTS is more likely to be town than implosion? Atm.

@havo I'd like an answer to this eventually but you deal with the onslaught that's about to occur and come back to it lol.

[Tchill13]

VOTE: katherine
Too many already.
btw I'm super excited about this playerlist

I don't think there's enough reason to scum read mumble. I do appreciate activity but I feel like you're definitely trying to take control of the game and I also don't like how you pointed out you could be aggressive as scum also.

VOTE: mumble

VOTE: Tchill

Kinda crazy that gamma opened up with a vote on Katherine and the two times he voted me was for pushing either Katherine or mumble...

Missed this. Kinda silly of you to think I couldn't change my read on Katherine at all. As for the mumble push that was a contradiction that I was voting your for.

I've seen scum distance early by placing his vote on his partner before. I'm not accusing you of that I'm just saying it's a possibility. Then I looked at Katherine's join date which is pretty recent and I wouldn't be surprised if we have a case where you distanced early but are now defending your scum buddy hard to get past day 1.

Obviously I'm not pushing you for changing your stance on your first vote. I'm pushing you because of how hard you're defending the person you first voted. Hard enough to vote people specifically because they're voting Katherine.

[Tchill13]

Oh OK. Well we're in the 30s now and I think we've done about all the sorting we can do on day 1.

Mumble/katherine/KTS/Gamma.

I'll lynch anyone of these people. Probably in that order.

[Tchill13]

Cedrick - v
Tchill13 - unsorted leaning v
Creature - v
Ausuka - v with slight potential of deepwolf
Gamma Emerald - leaning v
brassherald - slight v
Havo - w
Mumble - w
katherine - v off wagon formation + tone
MariaR - v with chance of powerwolf
Luca Blight - v with chance of powerwolf
implosion - w

my pick for a wolf team: implosion, havo, mumble 100% one scum there, almost certain there's 2, unlikely there's 3. still looking for deepwolf.

there goes all my wim. i'll probably die d2, so this might be all you get out of me if i decide to stop playing.

I'm not shading anything. I'm not worried about you at all. Your reads arent consistent at all. You're play isn't consistent at all. Did I ever accuse you of telling anyone how to play? I accused you of pushing others for playing a certain way that "has to come from scum" or "has to come from town".

You try to discredit me when I mention your name but I have good reason to mention you imo. Reason that's not OMGUS. I didn't even shade I simply stated what you have done.

[Tchill13]

Oh OK. Well we're in the 30s now and I think we've done about all the sorting we can do on day 1.

Mumble/katherine/KTS/Gamma.

I'll lynch anyone of these people. Probably in that order.

stop playing mafia LOL

it explains exactly the type of player you are when you consider self hammering helping town.

Yep. I’ll be the first one to admit I’m not very good. 8

But I like playing and I’m trying to get better.

ur immediately a better player when u strive to be better. nobody is worse than someone who believes themselves already at peak mafia playing.

I got whiplash from that. I don't think I've been the egotistical type. I didn't realize I had said I was at my peak...

[Tchill13]

@kts I was referring to how nice you were after immediately telling someone to stop playing lol.

I guess I'll stick to not playing day 1s aggressively because it obviously does no good.

I'll check in next week after we hit the deadline and see who we mislynched.

[Tchill13]

More so than I usually am on say 1.

[Tchill13]

Not sure what my meta matters. I'm just saying in what world does scum not drag along Katherine or mumble? If they're town they'll be here till we vote them out. If they're scum they'll be here till we vote them out.

I think it's best to approach day 1 in a manner that best positions yourself to win in the later days (when you actually put in effort on day 1) . Not necessarily win on day 1. If we lynch scum that's great. I doubt we do. I just know I'd rather deal with people in my lynch pool sooner rather than later. I'll vote ausuka if I have to but every time I compromise on a lynch just to lynch it's always town. That's what I'd be doing here if I was to vote ausuka.

Honestly on my iso reread the read that changed the most was Maria . I could vote there.

[Tchill13]

Why does that matter so much to you?

[Tchill13]

Why does that matter so much to you?

I'm not even gonna ask what you're main is because apparently you've played with me before. You know I'm always against policy yet want to see me say policy.

I personally find it laughable that an alt is demanding for meta. Glad to see you went an extra step to make sure we weren't playing on a level field with one another.

If you can't find reason enough to get me lynched in THIS game do you really think meta is what's gonna push that over the edge? If you have to use meta to get someone lynched then you probably don't have a good enough case on them.

[Tchill13]

That being said. Yeah let's policy mumble.

[Tchill13]

im never policy lynching someone, and this wagon is very scum motivated.

If it's scum motivated is's very short sited. If I'm scum I'm kicking and screaming to make sure mumble doesn't get lynched day 1 if he's town.

[Tchill13]

Yeah, Mumble is prob just lynchbait town.

Scum:

i dont think mumble is the only person capable of being mislynched if he is town rn. If i was scum and mumble was town... you bet your bottom dollar im keeping him in this game. He's an asset to scum if he's town this game.

me too

What was me too referring to KTS?

[Tchill13]

Scums goal is to think longterm and set them selves up for lylo. Good Scums goal anyway. Bad scum just try to lynch anybody every day phase. Good scum is selective in who they can keep alive to manipulate the game easiest.

[Tchill13]

If we lynch mumble it's a win for town no matter what he flips. Idc what you say.

[Tchill13]

If we lynch mumble it's a win for town no matter what he flips. Idc what you say.

childish mentality

This guy lol.

[Tchill13]

Man I hope it's not good scum or we're doomed. If KTS is scum and isn't town we're in trouble.

[Tchill13]

Yeah, Mumble is prob just lynchbait town.

Scum:

i dont think mumble is the only person capable of being mislynched if he is town rn. If i was scum and mumble was town... you bet your bottom dollar im keeping him in this game. He's an asset to scum if he's town this game.

me too

What was me too referring to KTS?

[Tchill13]

Yeah, Mumble is prob just lynchbait town.

Scum:

i dont think mumble is the only person capable of being mislynched if he is town rn. If i was scum and mumble was town... you bet your bottom dollar im keeping him in this game. He's an asset to scum if he's town this game.

me too

What was me too referring to KTS?

[Tchill13]

I looked. It was a conversation between me and brass.

[Tchill13]

are you 12 or are you just purposefully chastising someone?

me too

That doesn't even make any sense??? How does me too apply there?

This guy lol.

[Tchill13]

OK. You were referring to keeping mumble alive if you were scum that's how I see it. In the past page and a half you've contradicted yourself and you've failed to explain how "me too" was referencing something else.

I'm gonna leave it alone until some other people get on and deide if they're seeing what I'm seeing.

[Tchill13]

and the kts thing is completely ignored... cool.

yeah i'll just be checking in to see if there's a wagon i can hammer for the rest of this day phase.

Scum are gonna want to keep mumble alive. Maybe if he gets in here and contribute it'll change my mind.

both katherine and mumble have said they will participate soon so im looking forward to it.

[Tchill13]

Tchill - '

Why is Havo scum but Mumble/Katherine not?

'
implosion - '

I don't like the Havo wagon

' (unspecified)
Ausuka -

I don't get the votes on Havo - they seem like playstyle related things.

'

Those were the stated reasons, but obviously the underlying reasons remain to be seen.

Yall are getting caught upon havo specifically. Look at my statement as

Why is X scum but mumble/katherine not?

I'm gonna need to feel great about a scum read before I vote someone else that might be a mislynch I could avoid. I'm completely fine with mumble or katherine flipping town if we do lynch them. Saves town trouble in the long run. I'm not fine wasting a lynch on someone else and leaving them two on the board if we were to lynch a different townie.

[Tchill13]

Well if we're playing against good scum it doesn't matter what we do.

[Tchill13]

Let's please lynch one of mumble/katherine/KTS

[Tchill13]

I don't get the concept of policy lynching D1 unless it's an open setup without a vig.

It's about limiting your scum pool in the future on day phases that actually matter.

[Tchill13]

Well if we're playing against good scum it doesn't matter what we do.

The fact that we’re 35 pages in and this town can’t agree on what color the sky is much less agree on who to lynch, tells me that the scum team is good and we also have some stubborn townies in this game.

...no.

Then please enlighten us on what you think is going on.

[Tchill13]

VOTE: creature

[Tchill13]

Good call on not lynching mumble guys.

Katherine and mumble have provided great catch up's.

[Tchill13]

Good call on not lynching mumble guys.

Katherine and mumble have provided great catch up's.

smh

lol this guy

[Tchill13]

I tend to go senile on day one's longer than they need to be. I hope he gets well.

Didn't Katherine mention a catch up too?

[Tchill13]

355 was Katherine's catch-up

This guy lol

[Tchill13]

Sorry dead busy

will read / do stuff in the next couple days when I have time, weekend I am back at reasonable availability

Well it said next few days

[Tchill13]

Okay I guess they're not caught up now but in a sense I am right

thats a joke considering we are on post 900.

in any sense any of us can be right.

[Tchill13]

Let's please lynch one of mumble

I mean, I guess I wouldn't hate a mumble lynch, but right now it feels like that really unsatisfying compromise lynch you do on a lurker at the end of the day which flips town.

Why isn't he scum?

[Tchill13]

Oh. I'm chumba now? Lol. Really can't wait for the game to progress.

[Tchill13]

It's been four days since Katherine made a game-related post...

Don't you dare bring up lurkers. Katherine and mumble are lock town because they haven't been scummy at all.

(Sarcasm)

[Tchill13]

Prodding Mumble

Prodding katherine

so basically we're waiting for them to provide just enough content for someone to hand them a weak TR and justify a lynch on a garbage scum read that flips town. Then both slots, both of which will have a lot of uncertainty around them, will still be in the game.

[Tchill13]

VOTE: mumble

Back to L-2

[Tchill13]

If I was?

[Tchill13]

I'm not. This is my only account. I don't see the point of alts.

[Tchill13]

Is it more likely Luca or mumble is scum here?

[Tchill13]

Current scumpool is (Implosion/Luca/Cedrick/Mumble/Tchill). Can someone towncase one of them.

Idk why mumble is in your scum pool. It's clear why we haven't lynched him if you go back and look at the last few pages.

[Tchill13]

Current scumpool is (Implosion/Luca/Cedrick/Mumble/Tchill). Can someone towncase one of them.

Idk why mumble is in your scum pool. It's clear why we haven't lynched him if you go back and look at the last few pages.

I don't get what you mean that you don't know why?
He's neutral for me. Given enough townreads, that puts him into a scumpool.

It's sarcasm. You genuinely look like your putting effort into sorting though.

I may need to reread luca. I can't genuinely make a town case for anyone in your scum pool. When I read Lucas iso he seemed town but I may have missed something seeing how he's scum read by a majority of players.

[Tchill13]

Current scumpool is (Implosion/Luca/Cedrick/Mumble/Tchill). Can someone towncase one of them.

To be fair this looks like quite a simple scum pool. Which is perfectly fine for a day one lynch. I'm sure there's 2 scum outside of this though. Probably one in it.

[Tchill13]

That's not a lynchpool yet.
I haven't finished the iso based reread.
Debated between voting Implosion or Cedrick.

Well of your choices I'd probably go with cedrick. Earlier I stated Luca and implosion as my TR's but the majority seems to disagree.

[Tchill13]

Why do you townread Implosion?

His thoughts progressed similar to mine early in his iso.

[Tchill13]

Cedrick do you still scum read KTS? I will happily lynch him.

[Tchill13]

I'm not sure how creature is lock town but noted.

[Tchill13]

Activity. He's the

only

player you can pretty much always activity read. He lurks as scum, 100% of the time. Only time he broke meta as scum he got lynched anyway due to the game being a lovers game. You need to be careful using it initially because he can easily get bored as town as well, but after you get to know him it should be second nature.

Activity... ACTIVITY!!! I'm dead lol. Good joke. This guy isn't lock town. He's activity read just like mumble and Katherine.

Every time I've seen mumble play scum he's lurked. So guess what I think? Mumble is lock scum. He's one of the few players you can pretty much always activity read.

[Tchill13]

@creature you need to change up your scum game apparently lol.

[Tchill13]

Thank goodness someone actually explained that. I was seriously having trouble with it.

I'm not sold enough on anyone else to risk a mislynch and leave mumble or katherine in the game.

[Tchill13]

I'm a little more resilient than you're average middle schooler it's OK.

[Tchill13]

Well I applaud the mod. Seriously. Staying on top of the VC consistently through 40 pages and keeping the game from getting toxic. One of the better jobs I've seen for sure so thanks.

[Tchill13]

I believe one of the main wagons before this state was on scum and that's why the game has stalled.

[Tchill13]

Well I think we should lynch Luca or mumble. I pick mumble.

If you're on a different wagon I'd love for you to switch to either Luca or mumble.

[Tchill13]

haha...kts is right. Childish.

This is really confusing: what is he right

about

? Do you know how the quote function works?

I'm pretty sure KTS called me childish earlier and due to mumble's catch up I'm assuming mumble agrees with him.

[Tchill13]

Also as soon as KTS realized he wasn't a lynch option he decided to just lit back and lurk.

That's fine we can deal with that day 2. Let's just lynch somebody.

And it's still correct that if I get to page 25 on day one I always get to page 40 lol.

[Tchill13]

I really do think KTS is scummy because of how he handled the discussion about scum picking and choosing who to keep alive. He's a good enough player to know good scum don't try to just lynch anybody. He also stated he'd keep mumble alive if scum and he back tracked on that (refused to admit it, said get trolled even to avoid answering it.)

So I really do think KTS is scum. That lynch isn't gonna happen today so I'm fine with lynching mumble.

[Tchill13]

I don't think so. I think mumble is a main. Key word think.

[Tchill13]

I really do think KTS is scummy because of how he handled the discussion about scum picking and choosing who to keep alive. He's a good enough player to know good scum don't try to just lynch anybody. He also stated he'd keep mumble alive if scum and he back tracked on that (refused to admit it, said get trolled even to avoid answering it.)

So I really do think KTS is scum. That lynch isn't gonna happen today so I'm fine with lynching mumble.

how can one man be so wrong.

The same way one man can think his opinion is better than everyone else's.

[Tchill13]

VOTE: luca

Finally some reason to believe mumble is town. Thx.

[Tchill13]

Rely on claims? No. I'm not lynching a claim day 1 though.

I'm sorry I dont have enough votes to lynch mumble's. I advocated for it. Never happened. Now I'm gonna hop off that wagon and I don't expect any resistance to it no matter the reasoning. If you want mumble's lynched vote him.

[Tchill13]

I mean when we need claims to get townreads.

And apparently gamma is lock TR'ing you because you literally can't play as scum. Activity is just as week as claims when it comes to reads.

[Tchill13]

VOTE: implosion

[Tchill13]

You've definitely implied and if you don't care that's exactly what's wrong with townies on site. I'd rather you care badly than not to care at all. Idc what you think my opinion is of you. Just play the game.

I literally have no reads with firm reasoning anymore. I just want a lynch.

[Tchill13]

VOTE: luca

I'd rather vote Luca than implosion though.

[Tchill13]

noooo i wasnt gonna lynch u

You've definitely implied and if you don't care that's exactly what's wrong with townies on site. I'd rather you care badly than not to care at all. Idc what you think my opinion is of you. Just play the game.

I literally have no reads with firm reasoning anymore. I just want a lynch.

just stop.

Get trolled XD

Well the competing wagons will be good for future day phases. I'm not gonna push implosion through.I'm staying on Luca.

[Tchill13]

DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW TO PLAY MAFIA

Me too.

[Tchill13]

My D1 wagon is lookin pretty fucking bad right now. Wouldn't surprise me if all the scum were on it.

OK. Is the collective thought process on Luca going to be one that believes his claim and thinks he is town or is it gonna be one where he could possibly be scum?

[Tchill13]

wtf...now you guys come around on implosion?

VOTE: implosion

That's l-1 and Luca's "derphammer" shit was bad. Vote your scum read or don't...

I'm pretty sure mumble is town for this.

[Tchill13]

A lynch has been achieved!

VC 1.FINAL

votes

implosion

(7): Hopkirk, Creature, Gamma Emerald, Havo, Mumble, Killthestory, Luca Blight

Mumble

(1): Cedrick

Luca Blight

(5): Ausuka, MariaR, katherine, Tchill13, implosion

Not Voting

(0):

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

The day 1 deadline is in

: (expired on 2018-03-22 19:42:59)

Mod Notes

: Cedrick is V/LA until Monday.
Luca Blight is V/LA until Wednesday

If Luca is town there's probably 2 scum on his wagon here. One obviously being implosion.

[Tchill13]

That's the hammer btw.

I'm just gonna adopt a mumble/Maria kind of playstyle for the rest of this game - that's about the level of effort this game deserves.

And I find it odd that he specifically said mariaR instead of Katherine. Maria and Katherine were both on his wagon.

[Tchill13]

Of course, it's possible someone could have bussed, although less likely in this case given how tight the lynch was.

I will analyse when I get to a computer.

IF YOU'RE TOWN... There's absolutely no reason to bus there seeing how close a townie lynch was to getting through.

[Tchill13]

Tchill is on my list also. I just feel asuka is scummier and looking at how they mentioned each other especially asuka caking mumble stupid or whatever for voting implosion, I like asuka for scum better.

After looking at your vca I believe your ausuka tchill scum reads are associations are they not?

Implosion and ausuka are the only wagons I weren't on. So let's say I or ausuka flip town. Does that automatically clear the other in your opinion?

[Tchill13]

That's the hammer btw.

I'm just gonna adopt a mumble/Maria kind of playstyle for the rest of this game - that's about the level of effort this game deserves.

And I find it odd that he specifically said mariaR instead of Katherine. Maria and Katherine were both on his wagon.

I was talking about playstyle; nothing to do with their alignment.

Yeah and I found Katherine and mumbles to be more alike.