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How much are you going to let your teams reads influence you or do you plan on going more solo?
I'm going to listen to my team mates when it comes to reads and such, and I will listen to their thoughts. However, I'll look at this game first when catching up, because otherwise we get what happened when I logged in today, and I see a ton of posts from Mastina about stuff in games without much context. So I'll probably do something along the order of {catch up with game>post>catch up with team PT>catch up with other games>reread team PT>repost in here if necessary based on PT content}.
Also, as an activity note, I post mostly from work and not as much as I used to from home. A normal work day will probably feature occasional bouts of posting when I'm at work (dependent on how busy I am), posting when I get home after catch up, and then posting sometime between 10-11 before I head to bed again. If not working, I'll be a bit more sporadic. I'm not the active user I used to be, and I'd prefer people don't spam the thread. My position on policy lynches have changed, as in I'm more for it now. I'm also going to try a bit of a more active catch up style, where the only difference will be that I'll stop to respond to something that I feel needs immediate attention during the catch up process. Mastina also tells me that I'm not exactly a people person, so I'm going to try to work on that a bit. So if I get heated later on and insult you or something, it's not personal.
Quick page 1 gut responses are that Skirt is scum and Math is town. I also got a ping on Key, but I'm not sure whether that is scum with an unnatural entrance or if he's just awkward. I'll come back to this once I'm fully caught up. For now, duty and lunch calls.
Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.
Caught up, and Keychain is still kinda nebulous. I'm going to keep an eye there, but not interested in pushing that yet. I thought Elena might be panicking scum trying to squash Math's team analysis (which is actually relevant to Team Mafia). That seems like something I feel scum would do if events were turning against them. But then she did that reversal on LLD after much discussion, and I really can't see Elena-scum doing that, especially when keeping a vote on LLD would be so easy to do at this point in the game, and I really don't think LLD could apply enough pressure to turn the tides on Elena. At best, she'd get a LLD lynch, and at worse, she'd just look like hard headed town. There's really nothing to lose, so her changing her read is a town sign.
As for Skirt, he called me town before I even started posting, and then preceded to buddy up to me in subsequent posts. LLD has already pointed out how his entrance sounds fake, and Math has picked up on the discrepancy as well. He's tryharding, but in all the worst ways.
Vote Skirt skirt
Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.
In post 181, skirt skirt wrote:"As for Skirt, he called me town before I even started posting, and then preceded to buddy up to me in subsequent posts. LLD has already pointed out how his entrance sounds fake, and Math has picked up on the discrepancy as well. He's tryharding, but in all the worst ways."
Where did i call you town? Where did i buddy up to you? On what planet am I tryharding?
I hadn't posted as of this point in the game, and I don't have any recollection of ever having played with you. This felt like you trying to preemptively get on my good side. Looking back on it, probably not a townread per se, but I don't think it was meant to come across as a scum read.
In post 18, skirt skirt wrote:I would take scum if we rolled scum (lol we all rolled town I stg not that you know that) if we valued winning over everything because I have a significantly better scum wr than my team afaik, but I wouldn't if we were playing more socially and for fun.
I adamantly believe Keychain and Dunker are town off of this game, Radja I guess I agree. Bins from what I remember hates scum so yea that's fine too. Don't know CDB or T-Bone play-wise at all so no comment.
UCV... I guess.
No clue for bulba
. LLD, A50, Smoke, definitely realistic for scum. I haven't actually seen A50s scum game I don't think, but iirc Chara said A50 is their scummer?
Math pushes you on the last post and says that I'm good as scum. There is a slight backpedal here, I think, but you definitely didn't want to let go of that potential townread and buddying opportunity on my slot.
In post 179, Bulbazak wrote:Caught up, and Keychain is still kinda nebulous. I'm going to keep an eye there, but not interested in pushing that yet. I thought Elena might be panicking scum trying to squash Math's team analysis (which is actually relevant to Team Mafia). That seems like something I feel scum would do if events were turning against them. But then she did that reversal on LLD after much discussion, and I really can't see Elena-scum doing that, especially when keeping a vote on LLD would be so easy to do at this point in the game, and I really don't think LLD could apply enough pressure to turn the tides on Elena. At best, she'd get a LLD lynch, and at worse, she'd just look like hard headed town. There's really nothing to lose, so her changing her read is a town sign.
As for Skirt, he called me town before I even started posting, and then preceded to buddy up to me in subsequent posts. LLD has already pointed out how his entrance sounds fake, and Math has picked up on the discrepancy as well. He's tryharding, but in all the worst ways.
Vote Skirt skirt
bit of a reach
How so? If it's about Skirt, I'm a little sensitive to buddying, as I've had scum pocket me too many times by playing up to me. So when Skirt, someone that I don't think I've ever played with, enters into the game and immediately begins kissing up to me before I even show up, my scumdar goes off like crazy.
In post 188, skirt skirt wrote:bulbazak scum lean because burden of being good is you don't get away with stupid ass pushes like that
And this is essentially what Skirt did when LLD started pushing him. He attacked her immediately as scum, and when she kept up the push and others were coming around, he changed his tune. I almost wonder if the same thing is going to happen to me, or whether he'll feel the need this time to put all his eggs in this one lynch, especially since Math is backing his play this time.
In post 191, Mathdino wrote:
Bulbazak's entrance is completely and 100% NAI, which is fairly concerning.
How so? Were you expecting more from a post that was essentially "I'm here and caught up! Oh, and here's a little of where I'm at."?
In post 18, skirt skirt wrote:I adamantly believe Keychain and Dunker are town off of this game
Dunker hadn't yet posted by the time that you made this post. Why did you already believe that he is town?
This is the same issue I'm having with his position on me early game, and I don't buy Skirt's reasoning for that statement a la Dunker.
In post 201, Mathdino wrote:
That logicky post is pinging me in all sortso f ways. Feels like an overexplanation of an analysis on not all that much source material in the first place. Makes him look active/helpful without really advancing the game (because fundamentally, it's just saying why he's hopping on a wagon).
I admit the post was probably janky. I was trying to both get into the game and give some of my thoughts at the same time after having read 10 pages. I mean, I could have just given reads without explanation, but after Surreptitious, I'm trying to explain my thought process a bit more, because apparently, what I think is really obvious ends up being not so for most people. So if I have some reasoning for a read, I'm going to at least try saying a bit of how I came to that conclusion. If it's all still a bit vague in my head still, or if I'm wanting to withhold the reasoning for the moment, I'll just give a quick read and leave it at that.
Did you have issues with my reads in general? I wanted to give an idea where I was with 2 of the reads I had given in the previous post, and I had just gotten a strong townread on Elena for none gut reasons. Unless you somehow thought I was going to give general reads on every player in the game, I think what I gave was pretty on par with how I normally enter, even if I explained more of my reads than I normally did.
Up to what point in the thread had mastina read and offered opinions?
I glanced over what Mastina said, and I don't really think she's said much about this game so far. She's mostly focusing on a couple of the other games, as well as hers. I'm sure we'll talk later, but given our conversations in the spoiled PT of the Mod is Mafia, she just may let me do my own thing unless I ask a question of the team or she sees something she thinks is important.
I need to go to bed soon, but there were a few questions I forgot to ask this afternoon. So I'm going to look back over everything real quick and make sure I post them before I leave for the night.
Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.
@Math: I actually was curious with your focus on T-Bone being in a normal. Was there someplace you were actually going with that? I wanted to ask in my first post, but I decided to give T-Bone time to respond.
Also, how much meta research did you do? I ask, because while on one hand it seems like a lot, there's also some basic things I've noticed you missing.
@Smocaine: I'd really like you to explain your LLD vote.
To anyone on a wagon with Smocaine: Think really hard about that, because that's not someplace you want to be.
@CDB: Can you give me more about your Key scumread? I thought his entrance felt off, but with everything else that's happened in this thread, he still feels like a big pile of blah to me. I'm wondering if you saw something that I missed yet gut picked up on.
P-edit: I'm ready to choo-choo Skirt into oblivion now.
Math, if you are really interested in one on one time, I'll probably be more around tomorrow and Wednesday. You should have known by metaing me that d1 is normally where I'm at my worst, and I get better once I'm able to get my head in the game and get on top of things.
Mastina made a point that I'm not charasmatic enough sometimes, so I thought it might be something I should try working on this game. Most of her input came pre-game. For example, she did a mod-meta post on Smith, but I don't want to go into that, because that could tell the scum team what's likely or not likely to be in the game.
Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.
@Math: Surreptitous is the big one. I tried to make a shift in how I approached explaining or giving reads based on how frustrated I got with people not seeing what I was seeing early on.
And given that you read our PT from last TM, you probably have an idea with how I approached placements this year as well.
Okay, going to bed for reals now.
Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.
In post 324, Mathdino wrote:
- He thinks LLD's scumstrat would be to drive a wedge between me and skirt by pocketing me and tunneling him due to intimidation of a possible townbloc.
Is there a reason KMD thinks LLD would be intimidated by Skirt? I could see you, but Skirt suggests a level of town play I'm just not seeing.
Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.
In post 339, Mathdino wrote:I don't see why throwing suspicion on 2 players working together takes that much of a leap. It's literally something I'd do as scum. I'm not sure KMD is arguing all that much more than that. Down the line if/when he catches up to this point I'll see what he thinks. This doesn't depend on some kind of self-importance for me/skirt, it's just coming into the game and being like "huh those 2 players are doing a lot".
Generally, your opinion of the players has a lot to do with how you prioritize them as scum. For instance, if I was scum, I couldn't care less about Skirt in that situation, given that I have zero experience with him and don't have a high regard of his play just given what I've seen. So the accusation of "He was trying to drive a wedge between these 2 pro-town forces." would be wildly inaccurate given my evaluation of Skirt as a player. Now, take that example and put LLD in the same place. If she doesn't hold Skirt in any sort of regard, why would she even care about putting a wedge between you two?
Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.
I'm not really buying the "I'll throw the game and get myself killed! Then you'll be sorry!" defense. If Almost had actually been saying anything of substance before this point, I could maybe understand the frustration, but given the contrary, this really comes off as AtE meant to throw off pressure.
Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.
@Math: I would like you to get KMD to explain himself better. I've sent feelers out to Mastina and am awaiting a response. You could easily do the same.
Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.
In post 455, skirt skirt wrote:I've read up tot his point, I just got off work and about to go get baked so depending on how the night goes I plan on doing a big catchup post involving telling certain players to fuck off about me being bad, reads, responses, etc. I'll either do it tomorrow or in a few hours. If There's anything urgent you want from me, lmk, I'll still probably keep up with the thread.
Can anyone spot the mindset problem?
Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.
Final thoughts before bed tonight: I'm still not happy with Almost. My vote would be there if I didn't want Skirt dead. Not really feeling the Bins or CDB scumreads. Bins in particular doesn't look like the Bins from 17 Kilos. She's essentially lynch bait, and I feel like we'd be seeing a different type of defense if she was scum, and that she'd be kicking up more AtE. I have no idea what to think of Dunker right now.
Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.
i'm sorry, i thought i was a spamposter? now its a mindset problem to want to reserve posting until i actually had something to say at once rather than creature style? make up your minds when you're using retarded reasons to scumread me.
No, the mindset problem is that from the get go you've shown more interest in attacking the players scumreading you in an ad hoc way rather than trying to figure out which of them are likely to be scum and approaching things from that mindset. The latter shows an interesting in scumhunting and sorting the game, while the former shows that you don't care about any of that and only care about protecting your own butt above all. In fact, the way you approached both that post and the one in which you respond to everyone shows a perspective that actually acknowledges all three of LLD, T-Bone, and myself as town, and you focus more on taking apart everything said against you bit by bit and arguing just to argue, which does nothing but add noise to the thread, confusing the issue and making you seem more town, all of which I'm familiar with, because it's a strategy I've employed as scum many times myself. Going through this response, there's nothing in there that actually furthers the game state or shows any evolution in reads, unless it's backing off of me (which I predicted, btw) or giving reads by proxy via team mates. At no point do I actually believe you are genuine in your conviction, other than you are genuinely angry or frustrated, which can come just as easily, if not more so, when scum.
That being said, I won't push a lynch on you through until Mastina checks in. I'm still waiting on her response for Math, at which point I imagine she'll have read through the entirety of this game and given a few thoughts/reads of her own. Thor is having trouble keeping up with his own game, so I don't imagine he'll read through this one. But if he does, and he tells me to get off you, then I'll listen. I just don't expect that to happen. I've already conceded that my original reason for scumreading you was likely bad, and that I'm just sensitive to potential buddying. But I still have a strong scumread on you, and there's nothing that I'm seeing that tells me that I'm wrong.
And on another note, apparently people just want me to go back to giving blind reads. :shrug:
Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.
The 2 lynches I'm most interested right now are Skirt and Almost. The more I think about it, the more convinced I am that Almost does not pull that sort of game throwing AtE as town in this game. Not going full throttle on Skirt until Mastina checks in and talks to me in the PT. If the Skirt wagon somehow takes off, and I still haven't heard anything, I'll get off until I hear back.
Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.
@Almost: Ginngie is just focusing on her game, and Thor is having trouble just keeping up in his game. Maybe Mastina will say something, but in this case, my read would trump hers, as I don't think you'd even think of throwing the game as town here.
P-edit: @Math: Are you somehow against the idea that I just took the game that was left? Because your Bulba-scum read came out of freaking nowhere.
Also, there's a reason why I said everyone should think twice about being on the same wagon as Smocaine.
@Skirt: You feel less like you're trying to solve the game and more like you're just trying to position yourself to best suit an agenda. And no, your last post was pretty much all ad hoc, in that it was attacking everyone that even thought to scumread you, and it had nothing to do in further developing reads on those individuals. It was all about "How can I best defeat this person?" and not "Is this person coming from a town place or a scum place?"
Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.
In post 557, Bulbazak wrote:I don't think you'd even think of throwing the game as town here.
Who the freak said anything about throwing the game? And how is getting lynched on D1 even close to throwing the game?
Also, you don't think I'd do this as Town, but you think I'd do it as Scum?? So it's more likely -from your point of view- that SCUM would "throw the game" in Day bloody one??
The fact is my slot is getting too much attention that it's literally hindering all the scum hunting. Yes. I admit I'm not being productive and it's affecting the quality of others reads in a negative way. Take me out of the picture and you might get better reads (not YOU specifically. I mean most everyone.)
So, I'm inviting everyone who is not at least Town leaning me to vote me just to remove the distraction. Do you understand now?
"Hey everyone, I left super secret breadcrumbs to a role I obviously have that you all want to keep in the game.
...
That not working?
How about this:
Run me up to L-1. I'll claim, hammer myself, then rub your noses in how bad you are! Want to do that? Huh? Because that will show you!"
Yeah, I don't think you pull this as town. There's too much on the line. As scum, the AtE works towards your win condition.
P-edit: Reread then, because I did mention that you were hiding behind your team mates' reads and that nothing in your stances have actually evolved.
And don't try to move the goal posts. I point out that your post is essentially ad hom with no actual game progression, and you go "Well, the ad hom was in spoilers, so it doesn't count!". Then when I call bull crap on that, you say, "Well, it wasn't
all
ad hom. There was that bit at the bottom where I had my team mates speak for me and then did nothing with that so that I looked like I was doing something."
Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.
In post 528, Bulbazak wrote:
No, the mindset problem is that from the get go you've shown more interest in attacking the players scumreading you in an ad hoc way rather than trying to figure out which of them are likely to be scum and approaching things from that mindset. The latter shows an interesting in scumhunting and sorting the game, while the former shows that you don't care about any of that and only care about protecting your own butt above all. In fact, the way you approached both that post and the one in which you respond to everyone shows a perspective that actually acknowledges all three of LLD, T-Bone, and myself as town, and you focus more on taking apart everything said against you bit by bit and arguing just to argue, which does nothing but add noise to the thread, confusing the issue and making you seem more town, all of which I'm familiar with, because it's a strategy I've employed as scum many times myself.
Going through this response, there's nothing in there that actually furthers the game state or shows any evolution in reads, unless it's
backing off of me (which I predicted, btw) or
giving reads by proxy via team mates. At no point do I actually believe you are genuine in your conviction, other than you are genuinely angry or frustrated, which can come just as easily, if not more so, when scum.
In post 557, Bulbazak wrote:
You feel less like you're trying to solve the game and more like you're just trying to position yourself to best suit an agenda. And no, your last post was pretty much all ad hoc, in that it was attacking everyone that even thought to scumread you, and it had nothing to do in further developing reads on those individuals. It was all about "How can I best defeat this person?" and not "Is this person coming from a town place or a scum place?"
Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.
But hey, let's go further. The majority of that post was meant specifically to attack T-Bone, LLD, and myself as players, and it had nothing to do with actually figuring out our alignments. It was essentially you calling us garbage players for even deigning to scum read you. No actual read progression or thoughts towards alignment are given at this point. Then at the end, you do talk about alignment, but only through the guise of your team mates. They are the ones who give reads, and only then do you give a read list. There you disagree with your team enough, and publicly enough, to actually nullify anything they said, and therefore, your reads mostly remain static. Except for T-Bone. You go whole hog on the T-Bone suspicion, and I have to wonder if that would still be the case if there wasn't a game wide scumread of T-Bone developing at that same point in time.
Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.
In post 455, skirt skirt wrote:I've read up tot his point, I just got off work and about to go get baked so depending on how the night goes I plan on doing a big catchup post involving telling certain players to fuck off about me being bad, reads, responses, etc. I'll either do it tomorrow or in a few hours. If There's anything urgent you want from me, lmk, I'll still probably keep up with the thread.
And since people still can't see it, you can tell that Skirt's priority is in attacking those on his wagon. Not in getting reads on them. That's the mindset problem I was talking about. That's not how town approaches a wagon on them. They think "Okay, so who is likely scum attacking me?", not "Okay, how can I best dismantle the people on my wagon?".
Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.
In post 719, Mathdino wrote:
davesaz and GL both think UCV is scum and I'm pretty sure NSG is gonna lean in that direction (she thinks my creature-based tell is bullshit)
I thought you said that Dave was only paying attention to his game?
Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.
I'm stepping away from this game for awhile. After I wrote my last post yesterday, I realized I was physically shaking. It took me until later that night to calm down, but I still don't know what set things off in the first place. Suffice to say, I'm easily triggered atm, and I don't know why. I promised I'd play nice in this game, but in my current state, I'm afraid of what I might say. I'm sorry for my reactions so far, as I've been less snarky and more of an a-hole. I was going out of town for the weekend anyway, so I'm taking the time to relax, avoid stress entirely, and reset. Hopefully I can come back Monday afternoon with a clear head and reevaluate my reads.
V/LA. Will Post again on Monday afternoon.
@Math: I prodded Mastina again. I should have something for you by the time I get back. If not, there will be blood.
Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.
I'm back and less stressed. Also, I see new people.
@Math: Checked into down games and team PT first, so mostly up to date on flips (minus White Flag, but I'll figure that one out later). Mastina told a couple of us that she's depressed and taking time herself, and that she'll get to us when she gets to us. I'll keep things up to date here as they develop. I'm hoping to get her responses before the day ends.
I also swore I unvoted before I left. Did no one point that out to the mod?
Unvote
Going to start reading through this big boy now. See you on the other side before the day's out.
Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.
In post 745, Mathdino wrote:altho I'm honestly not holding my breath on mastina; if anyone else on your team knows UCV/Creature [Ginngie??] that works too
Ginngie's already said she's only focusing on her game. I'm hoping to hear from Mastina within the next few days, but it really depends on how things are going with her. She hasn't been in the best place for awhile now.
In post 747, Bins wrote:i get the same thing @bulba !!
sometimes mafia just makes me super anxious even when i’m not being scumread / when i’m town
It was more a combination of work, mafia, and other things. I just needed to disconnect for awhile and come back fresh.
In post 793, Bins wrote:
i also don’t think anyone has said i’m lynch bait? maybe
I did, although I think you're doing much better this game. This is still a far cry from how you played in 17 Kilos, so I still think you're town.
I was townreading Elena for how she handled the LLD wagon earlier in the game. I had a hard time believing she'd reverse her stance that quickly as scum. But given how she's approaching the game, and the way people who've played with her before are approaching her, maybe I'm wrong. Can someone explain to me how Elena-scum operates?
Running to do some errands. Will be on page 36 when I get back.
Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.
I fell asleep Monday. Knocking this out today, and then I'll be current. A couple thoughts, then lunch, then 50.
In post 1166, Elena Fisher wrote:Does anything think A50 could be scum or is he just a policy lynch (important)
My scumread of A50 is not policy. I think people keep forgetting, and I know you're going to disagree with me on this, but this isn't just any normal mafia game. This is Team Mafia. In simplest terms, this means that I don't buy that town A50 would even think of throwing for lols when a title is on the line and there are judges taking everything into account for score purposes (read: tiebreaking). I don't care that it's lolA50, pulling this crap as town would be detrimental to his team, and I don't see him doing that.
Another note: I know Transcend is no longer playing, so I'm not expecting a convo on this or anything, but did anybody else find it troubling that he goes into a tirade about how he was justified to attack LLD because she raged at Elena and called her scum, and then he turns around and calls Elena scum? Having both Elena and LLD as scum at that point does not compute.
Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.
In post 1106, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Aeronaut's ISO is super unimpressive but also he feels like he's in the same "easy mislynch" boat with me? I've seen his name thrown around wiht mine a lot for that so.
Think this is an interesting interaction.
Ugh.
I've just been slogging through this catch up, absorbing things to summarize/dump about in the end, but I actually really want you to expound on this some more.
In post 378, Almost50 wrote:In fact, this being an event that most players will follow I would love to set an example for all how NOT to play around me.
UNVOTE:
I will wait until I'm put to L-1. point out where I crumbed and instantly hammer myself. It should serve to teach many of you how A50 plays his game (and yet I WILL change my playstyle, so it will only be an end of an era).
Terrible posting. FYI I have played a game with you not too long ago where I thought you were obvtown and I never really thought you were scum for the entire game. In this game you've done nothing to make me think you are town, which is a huge concern to me. If you are in fact town your threat to selfhammer are pretty terrible. Especially in a team game like this.
Radja gets it.
Spoiler: Off Topic: I think the mod wants to eat my soul...
In post 1377, Almost50 wrote:Actually, THANK YOU KMD! Now that you reminded me, EVERY SINGLE PERSON who calls for my lynch "based on self-voting" I'm going to accuse them of being Scum, and I do have reason to .. precisely from that game, where NO TOWNIE voted Joda "because she self-voted", while 75% of the total Scum count in that game did. THANK YOU AGAIN.
I mean, let's just ignore the fact that the argument is less about you self-voting and more about why you would threaten to throw the game as town in a team based game with a title on the line.
In post 1455, Elena Fisher wrote:Just check my only scum game on this account bulb or look at other town games on this account for ref if you want
Nope. Used to look up old games, but I don't have the time or enthusiasm anymore. I want people who've played with you to talk to me about their read on you, and then I'll use that to get a better read on them and you.
In post 1498, chesskid3 wrote:Can't believe I'm saying it but Bulbazak gets half the points I was gonna give for noting it but not actually voting it?
Or does that result in losing points I don't even know. Something to watch.
In post 1507, Bins wrote:because there were other days to that game that i followed minus day 1?
because you still tried to scum hunt other people other than me?
OH, SHOT!
VOTE: Bins
You tricky sneaky little witch!
What other game days, when he was NK'd on N1???
Wow! A Gotcha post! That must certainly mean this came from town...
Seriously, how does it benefit scum Bins to lie about a recent game that is easily verifiable? Odds are she got certain aspects of the game confused in her memory, and that would be true as town or scum. The only reason you're trying to gig her is that you need to quickly generate some sort of slip to trick players onto her wagon.
In post 1531, Almost50 wrote:
How is Bins coming off "wayyy better" when she outright LIED about the game where I WAS PLAYING TOO.
And her reason for doing so as scum would be?
In post 1532, Mathdino wrote:Notice that Bulba blew up on nothing and then actually took a break from the site.
I don't want to say I blew up on nothing. Skirt was ticking me off, and that affected me a lot more than it should have due to the amount of stress I was experiencing in my personal life. It also affected how I interacted with people during that short time span, and I noticed I was physically shaking and realized I was not in a healthy spot. That's why I took time away to completely unplug from the game for awhile as I went out of town. The long weekend was planned. The complete disconnect from mafia was not.
Anyway personal note. It doesn't matter but to me.
In post 1555, Radja wrote:you're missing the point. Do you think people want you dead just because you self-voted?
Do you think every situation where a person self-votes is the same, for that matter?
The fact that you're trying to use this to make yourself look good its pretty terrible tbh.
Thank you for confirming you're scum.
what the fuck even is this post
calling bins/LLD/radja tbh
maybe bins/elena/radja
disclaimer: i am saying this not to base reads around it but rather to be incredibly baller if i'm right
This is bad. I mean, really bad. Math, please tell me you know how bad this is.
In post 1555, Radja wrote:The fact that you're trying to use this to make yourself look good its pretty terrible tbh.
Thank you for confirming you're scum.
it is possible i am overreacting to your overreaction
In post 1584, Mathdino wrote:
Like, he literally crumbed that his team in reality got 4 town PMs and 1 scum PM before momo flipped scum, and that he was left to choose between the 4 because his team didn't want him taking the scum PM on paranoia. Reads should change with new information.
And he couldn't be lying because?
In post 1596, Mathdino wrote:
Oh and suddenly now that you're scumreading me, you can talk about how Shea doesn't like my trajectory and Reck is begging chesskid to take a second look, which is real funny after calling me town as fuck during your catchup.
It's almost like your read on me is more for political reasons than actual desire to scumhunt.
I believe he had been scumreading you for awhile.
Going to pick up from 65 later. Will finish this tonight.
Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.
You're right, I did go 180 on you, I had you as solid town until you started doing weird shit, like adding me to your scumteam for no reason and my teammates also had me reconsider my read on you. You went 180 on me too though, so the fact that you're scumreading me for that makes absolutely zero sense. As a reminder, here's your reaction to me posting that I would consider taking scum.
In post 25, Mathdino wrote:@Radja: On a team with shea, Reck, hiplop, and Cheet, while you self-proclaim as one of the weakest mafia players? Hell yes I think you chose town, lol.
Okay. I stand corrected. I must have gotten you confused with Dunker for a moment.
In post 1641, Bins wrote:
-uh it's not much other than LLD had a lot of people in her "i would lynch you" like aero (lurking, not posting much) but aero was the one she pointed out as being an easy mislynch? with them both on my meh-list at the time i wanted to note that down
And what do you think that means in terms of LLD's alignment?
In post 1654, Bins wrote:I think I've come up with a reason why I'd be uncomfortable with the Titus lynch and maybe my reason is the same as Math, but I doubt it.
Would you like to share with the class?
In post 1665, Almost50 wrote:I seriously (and extremely respectfully) want to ask: Why do people sign to games they don't intend to play? And why do it in THE TOURNAMENT? Like, if I had something planned, or expected to be unavailable for 3+ days I would not have played in the tournament myself. I get "I'll be busy on weekends" or "I'm V/:A for the next 48 hours", but I don't get "I'll catch up later" followed by "I'm beat and not feeling like, later" then "I have other plans, so later"...
Let's ignore the elephant-sized problem with this post existing for a moment and focus on A50 emphasizing the importance of this being a tournament. Now look back at my point about A50 not making that AtE game throwing comment as town in a Team Mafia game. Now back to this post.
You're welcome. Vote A50.
In post 1686, Almost50 wrote:Like, I PUT MY NAME IN THERE FOR A PURPOSE, and you fell for the trap. You just want to dismiss the reads on you. Well, guess what! SOMEONE has just given me a TR on you, so I thought if you picked them as "most likely" or even "likely" I might reconsider.
I decided during my time away that I was going to give your slot space. Granted, Transcend would probably make me want to renege on that, but given your replace in, I really want to take the time to get this read right.
Besides, I'm more likely to go paranoid on you d1 if you're town, and no one wants that crap fest.
Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.
The LLD AtE-fest seems off, especially since it followed from my V/LA notice in thread. There are some things she said that I relate to, but part of me wonders if LLD was just trying to take advantage of the good will I seemed to have engendered based on the sincerity people read in my post. Makes me question my early townread and moves the slot into the null space. Taking alignment preference into account means I'm okay with lynching this slot if I can't get my scumreads lynched. The Transcend defense of Elena I don't like, and I'm not sure how to take the LLD explosion in light of that. I know there's an off read progression from Math, and I want to make sure everything's kosher before I would even consider voting Fitz. I want to know what I'm walking into there.
Math's sudden hard defense of A50 makes me uncomfortable. Follow that up with that Radja exchange, and my strong townread of the slot took a heavy hit. I still think he's probably likely town, but it's nowhere near as certain as it was. Still not interested in lynching there today.
Given this game, my regular stance of "I think they're town, but I wouldn't cry if they died." for problematic town is not going to work. I strongly think Bins is town, and while I may have been in shrug mode before regarding a potential wagon and lynch, I've had time to think while away, and I think the way town wins this is by keeping those strong towning players alive. So vehemently against a Bins lynch. Same goes for Dunker and Radja. Fight me!
Vote Almost50
@Titus: Get off Bins. She's an Aronis-level read for me. Remember Night and Day. You know what that means. Join me on A50 for great justice!
Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.
@Key: Strongly disagree on the early part of your A50 read. A lot of those early arguments you praised are just A50 reassigning the points against him. He's trying to rephrase the argument against him as "They think as scum I'd throw the game." or "This is about my self-vote.", because both of those are easier to attack. Instead, the actual argument against him is that he WOULDN'T throw the game as town, and the AtE he threw was a scum move meant to get rid of pressure. No one has wanted to lynch A50 because he self-voted. Instead, the argument is that his threat to self-vote if he got to L-1 so that he could rub how wrong we are is born from scum intent in this specific context, that being of Team Mafia. A lot of players are giving him a buy because it's "lol A50", and A50 is encouraging that line of thought. The posts you claim are A50 evolving in reads just shows him saying he'd be good with a lynch in a large group of people, none of which actually says anything about how he reads them. And yes, scum are more than able to just tunnel one player for as long as they'd like. In fact, I point back to those last two links of yours, which both show A50 trying to get Bins lynched based off of lying about an old game, which is ridiculous when you think about it for a bit (there's no reason for scum Bins to purposely lie here, meaning that regardless of alignment, she made an honest mistake), and his focus is more on gigging Bins to cause a collective knee-jerk reaction instead of actually trying to figure out her intentions or motivations, or frankly anything actually related to her alignment.
Part of me is worried by this because of reasons, but another part says "Well, you kinda want to do the same thing in case Titus is town, so just accept it and figure out the rest later."
In post 1716, Titus wrote:
My initial impression is there is something drastically wrong in Tbone and Bins.
I have a strong townread of Bins. T-Bone is more of a town lean based on his viewpoints being similar to mine. Otherwise, it's a big shrug. I really don't feel like lynching him today.
Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.
@Fitz: Thought about this last night, but bed and all that: Can you explain why you have a high townread of me? You said nothing about me at all in your catchup, and I would have expected at least some mention of something you agreed with, or even just my tiff with Skirt that led to my taking time completely away from the game. You mentioned the LLD explosion, but nothing about my V/LA that came before that. I found that odd.
Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.
In post 1723, Bulbazak wrote:@Titus: Can you repost the list in a way that's easier for me to parse? I'm unsure about where the line of degrees are for some of your reads.
I will try.
Lock town: Me
Strong Town: Fitz Bulba Dunker
Weak Town: Elena
Gun to my head town: Mathdino Aeronaut Chesskid
Null: Leftovers
Weak scum: Keychain CDB Bins
Needs to die: TBone (Has extremely passive voting, reacted extremely negative to me trying to get Bins to assess his read, defensive snark (what I am calling it) when interacting with Transcend. Deflects all attempts to read him with omgus.
Just what are you agreeing with Bulba?
I agree with Dunker and Math (gun to head is a good way to phrase it). I'd add Radja to the strong town category, for similar reasons to Dunker (assuming we're reading the slots the same way). I'm town on Elena now. I had an initial scum ping when I first started reading, but I really liked how she changed stances on LLD and didn't think that came from scum. I'm less certain now. A lot of players I trust are saying that she's probably scum. So I'm trying to figure out why the players who townread her do so and why the players that think she's scum think so. I haven't gotten a reply on that yet. I guess until then I agree with you on weak town, even though I want the read to be stronger one way or the other. Surprisingly, I think we might agree on Key. I didn't like his entrance, and I haven't seen anything that'd make me think town. Granted, I haven't seen anything explicitly scum, either, so he's probably further up the null category for me. Mainly, I'm trusting my townreads on this one, but it's not something I believe myself. I'd like to know what you're seeing there.
As for CDB and Chess, they're kinda *shrug*. Chess I'm giving time to get in fully, so not interested in looking that direction today. CDB I don't feel particularly one way or the other. I'd like you to go more into Aero, because he is similar to CDB for me.
P-edit: I was going to ask that, forgot, then saw your reasoning. That's cool.
Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.
In post 1735, Titus wrote:
We're not. I am townreading Dunker for his vote on TBone because the wagon on Transcend seems to be retalitory for Transcend catching Tbone. The LLD wagon appears to have formed for removing her vote on us. I don't see how Radja enters that equation.
Okay. I'm reading them in a way that is similar to how I read players like Aronis, which is mainly how they just approach the game. I don't think I can express it better than that, and I couldn't give concrete "This is why they're town" reasons if I wanted to. Genuineness would probably come out of my mouth, but beyond that, I'd just be forcing points. So gut, but more than gut, if that makes sense?
Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.
In post 1760, Mathdino wrote:
A50 scumread is just as balls as it's been since page 30. I'll do a towncase if he actually gets close to being lynched but I doubt that's happening.
Your townread sucks. Especially if it's based off of that "A50 crumbed they only had 1 scum role" crap from earlier.
You also ignored my questions from my catch up posts. Some of those are pretty pointed and should make you rethink your position on A50. This sudden hard defense of A50 out of nowhere wigs me out.
Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.
@Fitz: There's a line of inquiry I want to pursue, but I want to wait until we're both on and talk in real time. I also want to give Math some time to respond as well. Poke me sometime tomorrow and we'll discuss.
Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.
In post 1766, Mathdino wrote:
Re: A50: Feel free to get in the line for "People getting wigged out by Math tunneling people as town". Like, either you believe I'm hard-defending a scumbuddy, or you should believe A50 town regardless of my alignment. And if it's a choice between lynching A50 and another person I consider townish, I'd rather A50 alive for having better reads as the game goes on.
It's the sudden hard defense with little to no good reason. It's like a switch flipped somewhere, and that fact that I can't reconcile Math position A to Math position B makes me uneasy. Do I scumread you? No, but it dinged that hard townread I had.
In post 1170, Elena Fisher wrote:Almost50:
Me and Chara talked over almost 50 for a little and we're both confident on calling him town we talked over town meta (thought it was best to not go over scum)
and what we got is
1) The fact A50 is trying to run bins up and claim is...stupid but it's something town A50 does to help solve the game
2) the begging to be lynched thing is...quite nai he's done it as scum but he also does it as town for reasons he's already shown (I showed chara quotes and I'm not gonna say why he did it but we both have an idea)
3) A50 isn't someone who is really comfortable being tr by the playerlist like this
"the things A50 are getting sr for aren't things you should sr him for because it's a50"~Chara
Chara knows what they'd be sring A50 for and so far he's not doing it (the opposite actually)
Along with a few other things me and Chara are very comfortable calling A50 town
Anyone who thinks A50 is scum (as I saw before
I know you're going to have a hard time with this, but try to follow me for a moment. Regardless of whether A50 can do this as town in a regular game means nothing, because this isn't any ordinary game. This is Team Mafia. Try as hard as you can to diminish that fact, it plays a significant role in how people will play this game, and A50 has already acknowledged this when he tried to look like he was contributing by yelling about people going V/LA. He admits that the competition itself is affecting how he's approaching the game. Now look back to that AtE of his from earlier. With that in mind, does town A50 do that, knowing that the competition is on the line and that every action of his is being taken into consideration by a committee of judges to determine whether his team wins or loses? With all that, does town A50 threaten to self lynch and cripple his team's chances of winning? The answer is no. Now scum A50 would do that. He would answer pressure and questioning glances by putting on a show. And that's all it was: a show. One that served scum him more than it ever would town him, especially in these circumstances. No matter how often A50 tries to reposition the argument into one of whether he would throw the game as scum (I never said that) or about self-voting (it's never been about the vote itself, but about the intention behind why he would threaten to self-vote), that's what the push on him is about. There is no way that A50 does what he does as town. Ever.
P-edit: I'll read the Math stuff later. Reminder to self to do so.
Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.
@Math: Okay, I can kinda get that reasoning. The counterwagon to Titus thing is weird, but I've done stranger. I just thought you were scumreading that slot prior to that post.
In post 1555, Radja wrote:you're missing the point. Do you think people want you dead just because you self-voted?
Do you think every situation where a person self-votes is the same, for that matter?
The fact that you're trying to use this to make yourself look good its pretty terrible tbh.
Thank you for confirming you're scum.
what the fuck even is this post
calling bins/LLD/radja tbh
maybe bins/elena/radja
disclaimer: i am saying this not to base reads around it but rather to be incredibly baller if i'm right
This is bad. I mean, really bad. Math, please tell me you know how bad this is.
Seems realistic to me. Radja townread was literally based off like the first 3 pages and suddenly it became a universally agreed upon thing.
Radja starts suspecting you and you immediately call him scum and put together scum teams, essentially hard pushing him. I have not seen you OMGUS in this game, so that action felt unwarranted. You talk about Radja's read change, but yours was more severe and felt the more "political" of the two.
In post 1778, Mathdino wrote:
This "Gotcha" shit is horrible, and I think you're biased because you were already townreading Radja and you agree with him on A50. But that was a super classic blusterful A50 defence, and I don't think Radja is even attempting to get through to A50. It's predatory questioning.
A50's "gotcha" pushes shows more of a desire to get people to jump onto a wagon based on a knee jerk reaction without thinking things through, rather than any attempt at actually dissecting posts and figuring out Bin's intentions or motivations. That wasn't scumhunting by A50. That was him trying to rile up the mob by throwing out torches and pitchforks. I'm having a hard time seeing how you think that's town behavior. Unless you're just dismissing it as "That's our A50!", before winking at the audience. (Fade out. Show producer credits. "
That's Our A50
filmed in front of a live studio audence.")
In post 1783, Almost50 wrote:@Bulba: When you get a chance, be a pal and get Mastina to read me, and even focus on my latest posts. Not only will she correctly peg me, but she's likely to explain to you what I'm doing exactly.
Take a number. Mastina hasn't been in the team PT since she got lynched. With any luck, you may get a Thor, though.
In post 1784, Mathdino wrote:
2. Yes, town A50 would do that. Yes. I don't know what the problem you have here is. I haven't seen scum A50, no, but I know more than enough about town A50 to say YES JESUS CHRIST HE DOES DUMB SHIT LIKE THAT SOMETIMES.
You're trying to juxtapose a contradiction in A50's mindset between:
A. Threatening to throw the game and self-lynch.
B. Caring so much about the game and the tournament that he shames people for not participating.
I'm not gonna generate a narrative of A50 for you because I do think he should be the one to explain that, but his progression this game
has. made. sense.
Yes! He cares about the game and the tournament! That's my whole freaking point Math! A50 does things that doesn't make sense from a town point of view in that context, and everyone just shrugs and goes "A50 always does weird stuff. Nobody can explain it." giving him carte blanche to be as scummy as he wants. And then you say he's "low hanging fruit" when he's anything but. If he was low hanging fruit, Math, it wouldn't be this hard to lynch him. There's heavy resistance to this wagon, and everyone continues to hand wave everything A50 does, because A50 has spent a mafia career cultivating this meta, enabling him to exploit it to his benefit when it bests suits him, like, I don't know, the biggest mafia competition on site?!
A little behind today. Hoping the next few pages aren't as taxing.
Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.
In post 1848, Mathdino wrote:Wow it's almost like there's a concentrated effort to derail the fitz wagon.
Not really? I mean, a lot of people seem to be either up for lynching him or are just ambivalent. I haven't really seen any sort of hard defense of the slot. Some weaker townreads, but nothing that's really stonewalling here. And this is all keeping in mind that the slot has been on the table since the very beginning of the day due to the theory that LLD would be the most likely to pick scum.
That is the oddest thing to claim and I am very much conflicted.
1) I don’t believe it.
2) Why would you think anyone would believe it.
You realize this is a confirmed lie, right? Because someone on your team has already flipped not VT.
Okay, what does this mean, and is it important? If it's not important, why stress it?
@Chess: Why don't you think Creature could scumread you?
In post 1886, Mathdino wrote:The fact that your vote has been on Titus, who is more than likely the designated alternative to the Fitz wagon, speaks way more than you saying "Eh I could lynch LLDslot".
Didn't you set up Titus as the designated alternative, though?
In post 1896, Mathdino wrote:
LLD is a significantly better flip than Eddie/Transcend because it gives us info about Eddie/Transcend (whose flip tells us nothing about LLD imo), info about Elena, potential info about you, and let's throw in "info about all the people avoiding that wagon".
And what info would that be exactly? And how is the inverse not also true? If true, this might be good enough to lynch the Fitz slot.
I'll see if I can squeeze the rest in before I leave for the day.
Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.
Not going to catch up until tomorrow. Going to try to get on here tomorrow by 10am EST, if not earlier.
@Fitz: Can you be on around 11am EST? I want to engage with you in real time before the end of the day. I also have a line of inquiry I want to pursue, and I'm afraid that if I don't do it live, others may taint the results.
Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.
In post 1922, Bulbazak wrote:A50's "gotcha" pushes shows more of a desire to get people to jump onto a wagon based on a knee jerk reaction without thinking things through, rather than any attempt at actually dissecting posts and figuring out Bin's intentions or motivations.
You're misinterpreting me again. I started scumreading RADJA for the "Gotcha" interrogation of A50. Literally all of what you said about A50 is what I was thinking/saying about Radja.
I didn't see that from Radja at all. I'd have been on top of it.
In post 1926, Mathdino wrote:
I don't think he's intentionally cultivating a meta of always looking like a scumfuck. He's just the type that believes in counter-manipulation when he's town. He doesn't believe in "town never lies". So with all that in mind, you have to look at his apparent intentions.
I
have
been looking at his intentions, and I just don't see that coming from town him in the context of Team Mafia. Maybe if he was trying to throw things off in this game to affect another one, like he suggested, but do you want to go down that path just to keep your A50 town read?
In post 1926, Mathdino wrote:
It sounds like you want to policy lynch him more than anything, just because you don't think town SHOULD do the things he's done.
Don't discredit my scum read by trying to say I'm policy lynching. This is not a policy lynch. I have legit reasons for scumreading the slot, and you don't get to handwave them away by just saying it's policy. That's what A50 was trying to do by moving the conversation, and I've called him out on it every single time.
I didn't set up Titus as the designated alternative, no.
Much earlier in the day I figured we should end the day with a lynch between Eddie/LLD. At the time I was scumreading Eddie but didn't want to commit to a day end with so many players absent.
Spoiler: Um...Yes you did
In post 1778, Mathdino wrote:
5. I wanted the fitz wagon to take off as an effective counterwagon to Titus.
And given that, I don't like how you then go after Bins for "trying to designate Titus as the alternative".
In post 1944, Mathdino wrote:
On information, I think Titus scumflip would clear fitz. I don't think Titus townflip means much of anything though. fitz scumflip similarly clears Titus. That said, if fitz flips town, I would be much more willing to hear out LLD's argument on Titus's slot being scum.
That doesn't say much about the rest of the information or associatives you say that the flip gives us. And as for the Fitz/Titus dichotomy that you've been pushing, I don't believe that's accurate, as I don't see anything stopping LLD from entering the game and taking an opposing stance to her team mate, especially if she didn't push it that hard. Heck, I pushed Skirt harder than she did. I see nothing that suggests TvS or any other sort of alignment relationship. If you see different, then go ahead and expound on that.
: See previous logic. He should've known when the game was starting if he were scum.
He also should have known about day chat regardless. It's why I asked. I'm not so sure we should write off the ignorance he's professing as town. I'd like to actually see him get into the game first.
Regardless, I can't really see scum you trying to get Creature in this game. You're right in the fact that he's really easy to read, and there's no way that replacement would go well for you as scum. So yeah, you're definitely town here. I just think you're extremely conf. biased.
Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.
I missed that the deadline is tomorrow. I thought it was the 6th for some reason. I'll place my final vote before the end of the work shift. I have too many "not today" style reads, and I should probably reexamine that and figure out what I would be willing to lynch if push came to shove.
I also don't need to talk to Fitz as badly as before, given how my read on Math has solidified.
@Math: What is your experience with Fitz? I was going to ask him, but I think I'm okay getting this from you now.
Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.
In post 1973, Mathdino wrote:Re: Designated alternative: I think we're talking past each other/getting things mixed up? fitz was my alternative to the Titus wagon. I think Titus is town. Bins's "I'm totally scumreading fitz but I'll vote Titus when it comes down to the wire" is concerning. If I were inversely hard-townreading fitz and scumreading Titus then I wouldn't have a problem with any of that.
And what keeps Bin from having a different set of reads?
In post 1973, Mathdino wrote:
Re: Fitz/Titus dichotomy: I stand by the idea that skirt/LLD was an early game TvS. Not scum together, and their behaviour around me didn't read as both town. I could be wrong on this, but gut/a game I played with LLD suggests that town-LLD would not have reacted very well to my playstyle. Instead she tried to pick me apart from skirt and accused him of trying to pocket me. It's like a really weird twisted version of chainsaw defending/white knighting. My team and I thought from the beginning that their page 2 behaviour around me was weird.
This may just be a case of us seeing things differently. I don't have the personal attachment to it like you, and I was coming from the angle of seeing a scum Skirt and an initially townish LLD. Other than kinda agreeing with her, there was nothing there that made a connection of "They cannot be scum together.", and I disagreed with the whole KMD assessment of LLD being afraid of you two getting together as scum. I still do.
In post 1973, Mathdino wrote:
Re: Conf bias: I accept your interpretation of my play and I think either my reads will become more clearly correct as the game goes on, or something about my view of the gamestate will be proven hilariously wrong and I'll have to blank slate everything except A50/Dunker townreads.
Fair. My game tends to do something similar.
Also, I thought somebody said 3 games? I can't remember whether it was you or Fitz.
P-edit: That didn't answer the question.
Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.
Okay, just checked, and Fitz said this was your 3rd game together. My bad. Just got confused.
P-edit: First, the whole "they're being tactical over multiple games" is just bull crap. Second, and that means what exactly in terms of Fitz's alignment?
Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.
Mastina's started to poke her head back into the team PT. She's starting on some of the other games first, although she's given some generic team thoughts. Nothing specific as of yet, and I doubt I'll get any thoughts before deadline. I can give some of the generic stuff, but I don't think it will be relevant for today's lynch and can keep until the next day phase.
P-edit: Fitz is an easy lynch, and Titus is easy to pocket.
Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.
Okay, this is what I took from Mastina's team thoughts. They were mostly for use in another game, but I found them useful enough in a generic way:
Transcend and Eddie Cane (Skirt) are the star scum players of their team. She didn't say anything about Titus, but only because I think Mastina is unaware of the replacement.
Anyone on DEFCON are competent as scum, except for Hinduragi and Hebichan. Again, no mention of Fitz, because Mastina seems unaware of the replacement.
Any of Team Cuddly (Key) or Black Goo (CDB) could have taken scum.
MathDino prefers town.
Radja does not take scum.
Elena is the most likely on her team to take scum.
UCV, like most of his team, has a high opinion of his scum game. (Clarification: Mastina says most of UCV's team has high opinions of their own scum game.)
If someone is not listed, Mastina either didn't mention them or thought there wasn't enough to go off of without actually reading.
Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.