Mini Normal 1996: Floral Mafia [Endgame!]

[Cedrick]

somebody tell me the difference in mumble, katherine and havo. the difference that makes havo scum but the other two town.

who is saying that?

anybody that votes havo.

I am not saying that and I am voting havo so you are definitely wrong there.

[Tchill13]

ok so we can agree a wagon is not really a threat until about vote 4 on a 7 to lynch right?

so arguably the most important votes on a wagon are the one's that get the wagon to "real possibility" territory.

Votes 2, 3 and 4 imo. The 1st vote carries very little weight alone.

I'm gonna need a reason for those votes. They look like "throw shit at the wall and hope it sticks" votes. As in you just want someone lynched.

KTS has voted about half the player list at this point When he had Scum!Tchill nailed from the get go, called him town then nailed him again later.

This is one of many oppurtunistic Cedrick moves i've seen and of the players that contributed im closest to voting him

1. why would you ever excuse vote number 1? everyone on a wagon should be scrutinized equally or nobody at all
2. havo didn't have 4 votes on him so I am not even sure why you are rambling on in the first place
3. not a fan of you discrediting everyone voting him like that, you should try to find out the reasons first instead of just blanket shading everyone
4. what is stopping you from voting me? Better yet what do I need to do to push you off that fence you are sitting on?

i need toi be sure about a scum read day 1 to vote there before im ok with not lynching someone that could be in my lynch pool for the foreseeable future.

[Cedrick]

past RVS this looks to be you're only serious votes.

Then you clearly aren't reading the game which is weird given how much I have said about how I think kts is scum, not only scum I think he is scum WITH you.

my vote on kts was serious.

[Cedrick]

Tchill, you're criticising others for naked votes, but you've had your own fair share:

[Tchill13]

Tchill, you're criticising others for naked votes, but you've had your own fair share:

VOTE: mumble

VOTE: katherine

Ausuka is my 2nd biggest SR. Gamma is a scum lean.

Maria, KTS and Cedrick town. Luca is a town lean.

Rest is null.

VOTE: katherine

VOTE: implosion

Your other votes on Creature and Mumble also had little reasoning.

The question is, why are you suddenly objecting to this happening to Havo?

yeah thats quite hypocritical isnt it? We hit day 1 and a half (pages 25-40 imo). I dont try to solve anything day 1 i just want it to be over. If it last too long though you'll see some effort. One of those "oh you're actually gonna make me play day 1 fine then" things. I'm ok with absolutely anything until i feel like i need to try. Then of course after i put in some effort im gonna be opposed to some stuff.

[Tchill13]

Tchill, you're criticising others for naked votes, but you've had your own fair share:

ik im hypocritical early game and i really dont care tbh.

[Cedrick]

i need toi be sure about a scum read day 1 to vote there before im ok with not lynching someone that could be in my lynch pool for the foreseeable future.

who said we were lynching havo?

Are you not ok with pressuring people?

[Cedrick]

maybe this will get you off your fence

VOTE: tchill

I don't even need tchill to answer my question, because I already know his answer despite what he may actually say, and that makes his response to havo getting pressure bac.

[Tchill13]

Tchill, you're criticising others for naked votes, but you've had your own fair share:

ik im hypocritical early game and i really dont care tbh.

Once again. All easy pushes from Cedric day 1.

I feel better about town Luca

[Tchill13]

Didn't mean to quote

[Cedrick]

you and I clearly have different versions of "easy pushes"

personally I find voting people most people aren't willing to vote/lynch as difficult pushes.

I'd say your katherine and implosion votes were easy pushes.

I was pretty much the only one who was willing to pressure kts, I got criticized for both my mumble and havo votes when both of those actually provided me (and hopefully others) some good info.

You saying you only vote people you are sure of is such a suspicious statement considering you actually agreed with my earlier comment about pressuring people is good for

[Cedrick]

* discussion

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[Havo]

So what was your early townread on him based on, then?

78 and 84.

And if you will notice, I called him “slight town MAYBE”

Right, I don't get why you're '

slight'

townreading those posts?

78 is literally just him saying

"god dammit people"

, and 84 is one of his worst this game, in my opinion.

I don't get how you

'like

' those posts but don't like anything else he's posted? That somehow doesn't feel genuine to me.

78 is a town entrance IMO. I see it as a genuine thought or reaction.
I would expect scum to be just a bit more calculated there.

84 he’s spitting out evaluations of posts I agree with or at least can see the viewpoints
They don’t feel forced to me.

Ok, but the part I'm having trouble believing is that after giving implosion a generous slight townread based on those two posts, you now claim not to have liked anything he's posted since.

Fair enough point.

The first few posts by any player in any game usually causes a gut reaction for me. One way or the other.
Implosions first few posts caused me to gut town him slightly.

Since he started getting votes, I haven’t seen what I would like to see out of him to cause me to townread him. It’s just that simple. But like I said before. I don’t halfway trust my own Day 1 reads. I could easily be wrong here.

I’m willing to pump the brakes.

Let me ask you this, and please answer. Are you town?

[Havo]

somebody tell me the difference in mumble, katherine and havo. the difference that makes havo scum but the other two town.

First off Katherine is a townread, but Havo has also been very active and engaged while Mumble hasn't, and Katherine has been engaged but not active.

You left out the part about why I’m scum.

[Killthestory]

wtf i just realized someone fucked with my wiki months ago lol

huh
what made you check

idk but it made me giggle

[Havo]

Okay I’m doing I the normal way from now on.

you're just struggling lol.

Yeah I don’t think tablets were made for interacting with this site.
Great for viewing, not so much for posting.

[Havo]

@Luca,

This is why I agreed with Ausukas point about “she didn’t believe scum would vote her there”

personally I find voting people most people aren't willing to vote/lynch as difficult pushes.

[Havo]

Yay I edited a post correctly. There’s hope for me yet.

[Tchill13]

Katherine and mumble are not easy pushes atm I made them (post pg 25) because they had already been run up and died down. You made a push on mumble as it was forming, me (as one who's been talked about but hasn't seen any wagon growth) and havo who's not been as active than most but more active than Katherine or mumble.

If you want to revisit KTS I might join you in that seeing how he is openly ignoring game discussion.

I'm not OK with letting mumble and Katherine slide right through but I don't have 7 votes at my disposal.

[Killthestory]

compromising on wagons is fucking disgusting

[Cedrick]

did you mean katherine and implosion? I feel both of those votes from you were "easy" because iirc katherine was starting to get some attention and out of the blue you call her your top scum read without any reasons. That could easily have been you trying to get on before others to avoid detection.

your implosion vote came when he already had 4 votes on him and your previous mention of him before that was "i haven't seen anything scummy from him yet" so that to me is basically a 180 without any explanation.

On the surface you could definitely say my votes were "easy" but i don't agree they are at all.


my vote on mumble came because I was trying to sort him and he out right refused to explain his reads. i don't see that coming from town.

my havo was meerly a pressure vote, he was already my lynch pool

i voted you because I was already suspicious of you, you just hard defended havo for no reason what so ever, and you committed a very HUGE contradiction that i don't really see coming from town.

[northsidegal]

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[northsidegal]

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[Cedrick]

to me it looks like you just want to policy lynch them but you don't want to actually call it that because you saw the negative attention i got from it.

implosion Mar 10, 11:07pm Mar 12, 07:58pm 0 days 18 hours 24
Ausuka Mar 11, 04:49am Mar 13, 03:36am 0 days 10 hours 20
Mumble Mar 10, 09:50pm Mar 12, 08:39pm 0 days 17 hours 13
katherine Mar 10, 09:42pm Mar 12, 03:04am 1 day 11 hours 9

These 4 people should all be ashamed of themselves regardless of alignment but ESPECIALLY if they are town.


I'm down for a lurker policy lynch, but we still have time so if i can lynch a scum read first, i'd rather do that.

[northsidegal]

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