Team Mafia 2018: Game 3 - Random GIFs Game Over

[Bins]

She asked me to look at the last votes on Elena. I gave my honest input?

[Bins]

Only if Elena is town. I don’t think Elena is town, though. Stop getting so defensive. I’m allowed to comment on things like this, it’s not like I’m saying I’m ok with the wagon on you.

[Bins]

You're not even attempting to look at the angles or why players do things.

I was responding to this. I wanted to show her that I am looking at other angles but I’m not taking it as my main viewpoint because I am voting Elena.

[Bins]

In 12 hours?

please stop stalling

[Bins]

Not even Elena will join your wagon

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jesus please stop stalling

[Bins]

If you suggest a flashwagon with 4 hours remaining, you're officially a bad player. There is going to be no other wagon with a game of a huge amount of inactives.

[Bins]

Radja hasn't claimed.

Chess you didn't like the LLD wagon either but meh

Can we please just hammer this

[Bins]

If Radja flips town we'll have gotten nowhere except I'll hate all of you a little more

[Bins]

I said he hasn't claimed, though he sort of softed VT


If you get the wagon to L-1 I'll hammer but I'll be grumpy

[Bins]

Actually, I lied because I'll be asleep and can't change my vote


(: so u have like
30min!!!

p-edit - yayy


If this flips town, I'll help lynch Titus or sort Chesskid v. Radja tomorrow.

[Bins]

I do believe Radja's team could of helped fake the quickhammer chat
because I think he posted it to look town

[Bins]

I'm not interested in those types of promises anyway, each flip brings a new day.

ok fine have it ur way

[Bins]

I want to copy paste what implosion said but I cant so remind me postgame thx

[Bins]

The resistance to the Radja wagon and the parking on Elena/game stagnation

Considering there's only 1 buddy left I don't think you can use stagnation

[Bins]

Welp.

[Bins]

I'm probably going to sheep Chesskid and then lynch him if he's wrong. \o/

I'm not sure Titus kills T-Bone, but that could be WIFOM. Meh.

[Bins]

lmfao, I thought he would

Honestly maybe T-Bone died because he crumbed a track on Titus’ scum PR? Why would he say that if he got No Result? No action is definitely not a reason to flip on someone

[Bins]

I officially have too many scumreads again because now that Elena's town everyone has to be scum.

I want Keychain to give input, especially on that Titus townread from RC.

[Bins]

The only reads I have anymore are Keychain and Dunker are town.

@Chess - can you explain any read you might have in regards to Titus? I still think Fitz voting Math and not Titus was super interesting.

[Bins]

Going to be pretty busy until Tuesday.

[Bins]

CHESSKID BORED

CHESSKID PROPOSE TOWNBLOC? BECAUSE WE NEED CERTAIN PPL TO PLAY A CERTAIN WAY

I’m so anti-suggesting townblocs
Do you think I have that much trust

[Bins]

I’ll play the Chesskid or Radja game I just don’t know who I’d pick

[Bins]

Oh, one last thing--reasons why everyone thinks Dunkerdoodle is town?

If scum Dunker just annoying deathtunnels me, well. Uh. I think it's just lazy town.

I would honestly do a lynch in Radja or Chesskid.


Would do.

[Bins]

ALSO

T-Bone dying. Did I mention how much that hurts me? Yeah. Well. Eat it up. It hurts me very much. I didn't see it coming and for him to flip PR makes me think I was just missing something and have been way more out of touch than I thought.
It also means the more strong town reads I have need to be much more active in the gamesolving.

[Bins]

Isn't Bins supposed to be an easy read?

Am I supposed to comment on this if you're reading me wrong? Because that's pretty funny.

[Bins]

Radja just hit the point for me where he's either really really town or really really scum. It was really similar to how I was feeling about T-Bone. I'm stuck. \o/

[Bins]

{Key / Dunker}
{CDB / Bulba}
{Archwing / CK / Radja}
{Bins / Xyzzy}

tbf I actually agree with this until it gets to the bottom.

p-edit --
Specifically, I don't like how Radja reacted to me and I don't like how he hammered and how he felt the need to explain it. The whole super defensive thing reminded me of my read on T-Bone (when T-Bone did the whole "I'm not getting defensive" thing).

But I'm also not sure that makes him scum.
Right? Idk.

[Bins]

I meant more the justification with the discord chat felt sort of unnecessary


Meh, reading it through I can kind of buy it.

[Bins]

VOTE: xyzyz

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But on the other, why are you emphasizing so much why you can't be scum with LLD when she hadn't flipped yet?

IIRC it's because Math was voting me because he thought I was LLD's partner?

[Bins]

Actually, Bins, do you scumread both chesskid AND Radja? Do you have no preference whatsoever for which of the two gets lynched today? Why do you want to go along with a 1v1 there? And would you be willing to lynch outside that pool?

I'm re-reading and I realize that wasn't a good suggestion. My comment was originally because I scumread Chesskid, but I'm still not really sure. The Smocaine slot is so IFFY.

[Bins]

Idk, a lot of Chess' posts are town. So idk.

[Bins]

Sheeping Implosion and I kind of agree.

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Radja and Titus have the same lynch pool lol

I guess I'd like as much of an explanation as is allowed by the rules from chesskid as to why you were the one to switch with Smocaine and not one of your teammates, particularly when you were on vacation.

Bins, can you tell me WHY the Smocaine slot was iffy? (There's a reason I'm asking!)

idk Implosion thinks Smocaine was town (it was his only read this game)
but Smocaine being MIA and voteparking on LLD bugged me. Bugs me less when I remember LLD was a super easy vote because of her meta and scum preference (I mean CBD did the same thing but I don't think he's scummy for it)

[Bins]

Oh that was Eddie

true

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yeah yeah OK fine Chesskid can be town

[Bins]

do you want fat or phat

[Bins]

VOTE: bins

You realize that I'm town and that makes you 100% useless this game

[Bins]

What changed?

LLD flipped scum?

And I think/thought (I don't know, I'm iffy about this) it looked like a very lazy bus that ended up turning into Smocaine going MIA and never putting the effort to change his vote.
Again, idk. Chess has some town posts.

[Bins]

Implosion had a townread on Smocaine from one of his really early posts I can't remember which one and I was also using that

[Bins]

Let’s play a game called if I flip town where is your head at

thanks

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Got a pretty general gutTownread on Archwing and I still think UCV was town so meh

[Bins]

Got a pretty general gutTownread on Archwing and I still think UCV was town so meh

and xzzy?

there's nothing town there, and implosion doesn't like so I say why the heck not if I'm feeling worse about my scumreads

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Also Transcend probably town. Eddie was awful and Transcend's posting isn't much better but just based on how they entered post the incident and how everything has gone, Transcend is town.

So

Bulbazak,T-Bone, UC Voyager

You have 24 hours to remove your vote from that player and put it on someone else or I'm going to lynch you because at this point my patience is at zero.

I want to point out this is the main reason I'm uncomfortable continuing to scumread Titus.

[Bins]

Keychain maybe town, not sure, kinda just neutral on it all.

I'd lynch like

Any of:

Elena

Bulba
Smocaine
Aero
UC Voyager

Bins

I'm not sure what the fuck to think about Almost50. I wanna read again through their ISO but that kind of :effort: makes me want to fucking hang myself while blowing my brains out with a fucking revolver so.

idk I think there's scum on this list
UCV townread and Bulba town-ish (needs to get back in the game)
Smoc still wild and Chesskid
Aero is good slot to pick on

[Bins]

meh I don't kill A50 that's wack

[Bins]

I said that the only way I can reason why scum would kill a50 is to make me look bad,
didn't say it should actually make me look bad.

a50 was tunneling me I think scum me would avoid killing that but meh that's just meee

[Bins]

I could see bulba killing a50, unfortunately, but like you I townread there. upsetting. not sure I want to waffle on that as well

[Bins]

here lemme sum up what my team is doing

EP and Marq have not read this game
Implo is saying that I am scum
Skrew is refusing to give reads until Mina writes another fanfic

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Let me think of a way to format a big reads post as a fanfic once I'm finally caught up, just for him! Ten characters are hard to ship unless it's a giant orgy, though.

Also, when is the last time Katsuki has given thoughts, chesskid?

sorry skrew wants me to clarify thats not what he said he didnt threaten you to write it, he threatened me to ask you to write it

[Bins]

hi

[Bins]

-.-

and just after I had convinced myself Titus was town

[Bins]

So, am I attacking town by questioning xyzzy or not?

titus town makes me this xyzzy is right

[Bins]

hi DV please be town

catch up later


but i sort of dropped the Radja scumread

[Bins]

Archwing I like more based on gut

[Bins]

you trying to tunnel me all the way until you throw the game in lylo huh

[Bins]

BULBA IS TAILS

[Bins]

Aeronaut sounds a lot more town

How?

[Bins]

this is probably xyzzy's scumbuddy if xyzzy flips scum

hey we finally agree on something!>!>!>@2@

[Bins]

Not really scumreading DV, but I've been all over the place on Chesskid.


I'd be...
{Keychain, Dunker}
{Mina, Bulba}
{Radja, Archwing, DV}
{Xyzzy}

[Bins]

hi DV please be town

catch up later


but i sort of dropped the Radja scumread

What did I do to make you drop it?

Bins you didn't answer this. Please do

Nothing, really. Chess sort of dropped it too for similar reasons. I re-read your defensiveness and I decided that maybe you didn't fake the discord stuff.

[Bins]

If an Archwing wagon picks up I’ll switch but who is Arch scum with?

[Bins]

Uh...why do you want to switch from xyzzy to Archwing, Bins?

only if Xzzyz doesn’t happen
we’re close to DL

[Bins]

we have a day

and i’m not townreading Archwing
i would prefer Xyzzy (also thought it was L-2) but if the wagon isn’t moving i’m saying is flip arch

what’s the diff

[Bins]

i changed my mind tho i don’t want to sheep DV
sry

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yeah also cause if Xyzzy isn’t scum i’ve given up

[Bins]

I can see Keychain and Mina locktown, not Arch. But still OK.

[Bins]

That's like the only post I don't like from UCV heheh

[Bins]

-_-

[Bins]

-.-

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i was rereading over the night and UCVs vote on LLD was good

i just would expect less



also why did Mina die?
why isn’t keychain dying
keychain why aren’t u dying

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I just looked at LLD Iso. It isn't that bad Tbh. I do not understand.

this is your first time posting in about 500 posts, please say a little more

LLD posts looked like they actually cared about town winning. They showed scum hunting as well as explaining why people were scum. It really looks like they were town. It also reminded me of the time they were town and I was scum. Though I don't think I have ever played with scum!LLD.

word from creature says havingfitz!scum as well as titus ad chesskid. I actually agree... VOTE: havingfitz titus can go tomorrow.

other than that

is this a defense then bus

[Bins]

Also Transcend probably town. Eddie was awful and Transcend's posting isn't much better but just based on how they entered post the incident and how everything has gone, Transcend is town.

So

Bulbazak,T-Bone, UC Voyager

You have 24 hours to remove your vote from that player and put it on someone else or I'm going to lynch you because at this point my patience is at zero.

What else can I say while I still give enough of a fuck to be thinking

T-Bone probably town. CDB Probably town. Hard to pars Bins because it's low content and what content I've read is pure paranoia and nonsense.

Smocaine is vote parking me and doing nothing so ???

OH, Dunker is super fucking town.

Keychain maybe town, not sure, kinda just neutral on it all.

I'd lynch like

Any of:
Elena
Bulba
Smocaine
Aero
UC Voyager
Bins

I'm not sure what the fuck to think about Almost50. I wanna read again through their ISO but that kind of :effort: makes me want to fucking hang myself while blowing my brains out with a fucking revolver so.

nah keychain town

I’m saying I’m not sure how to read what UCV did unless someone in scum PT was like “hey UCV, time to bus!”
Worried that UCV slot is obvious mislynch like how I totally overlooked with Aeronaut (because of LLD posts)


@Arch - sort of, I’m saying that it seems too obvious but I don’t know what to expect from UCV

[Bins]

oops i didn’t mean to quote those

look at them anyway

[Bins]

i’m so struggling to find a top scumread rn and mina was too so unsure why she died

[Bins]

I think I’d like to look at Radja
and I also want DV input and I want to sort there
Paranoia on those two slots is extreme and I want one dead I think

Unfortunately I think it puts my townreads more as partners for them like Bulba
because Archwing is definitely not their partner

[Bins]

morning y'all. This kill is... very weird.

really? You'd kill a claimed VT on night 1? Especially someone who got wagoned a LOT during day 1?

Also I never really answered Mina (may she rest in peace)
but Radjas reaction to the NK and reaction to also people saying he’d do the NK was why I re-assessed my read
I don’t know




Keychain is town (please)
Dunker is town

Archwing isn’t partners with Radja, DV
SMOCAINE WAS STILL TOWN KILL ME

That’s my head
I also think one of {Smocaine, UCV, Bulba} is scum for LLD reasons
Which one? All seem unlikely



Anyways town people please be town and help work this out

[Bins]

god Bulba is town zzzzzzzzzzz



Nevermind idk

[Bins]

also massclaim or nah

[Bins]

Let's massclaim imo

[Bins]

because town should have what?
two more PRs?
that's two people i dont have to worry about

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I don't think they can be scum together, though. Radja is the next ISO I plan to go through. I'm just putting it off right now, because I hate going through ISOs.

i think they can

but i dont think DV pushing arch was bussing
arch/radja might work too i guess

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i dont like it enough to sell even myself on it but i think Radja is scum

but the reason its because i dont think DV/Radja is possible, its more because im not sure if i scumread DV
im just saying that every interaction they had isnt out of what i see possible for bussing
and chesskids weird "oh yeah Radja is like sort of town tho but idk unsure" was weird

[Bins]

This is why I town read Bins:

17 Kilos

That's a Bins scum game. Compare it to this one. If you still think she's scum, give me a good reason why, because I'm not seeing it.

ouuu.

the amount i dont like this post.



r u buddying me..................
HMMMM


you have an townread of me because of kilos? still? nothing related to this game?
idk man, even im not that good at meta

[Bins]

ok


i think im at radja and i dont know who his partner is but i dont really wanna work it out also so meh

[Bins]

because town should have what?
two more PRs?
that's two people i dont have to worry about

I don't see how that's a good reason to out them now. Why today when we're NOT at lylo?

... uh because who's going to believe them in LYLO?
id rather the day before

[Bins]

I wanna say again that claiming in LYLO is gonna suck a lot more so unless you're 100% certain you're going to lynch scum here (which you shouldn't), we should massclaim

[Bins]

fruit vendor seems more like a neg/neutral utility than a PR, unfortunately
just random tracker weirdness
id hope we have two more PRs

[Bins]

-____________________-

you think I'm gonna believe any PR claims in LYLO

[Bins]

it gives a bunch of information to town as well that i think we need rn

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i think i strongly prefer lynching Radja to DV just based on smocaine and Chess re:LLD

[Bins]

If someone tells you they're a cop or a doctor tomorrow and someone else CC's we could lose the game because I wouldn't know who to pick and scum are much better of in that situation in LYLO

[Bins]

No idea why A50 was killed.

And Keychain, I agree with Radja/DV. But I think Radja should go first, only because DV-slot has so much nonsense around it that should make it town.


And DV, I flipped on Radja because I was doing ISOs and a lot of Radja had said was town. But it’s all fakeable. I think a team of Reck, Shea, etc. are totally capable in helping Radja fake reads and fake discord logs. He used Recks reads to avoid LLD-wagon, for example. He’s not really done anything town beyond what he’s capable of scum.

This is sort of opposite of Chesskid. His “LLD wagon is lazy” seems like what I was doing with LLD. Smocaine was vote parking LLD, but I mean I’ve played with scum buddies that death tunneled me lazily. It’s just less likely, I think.

[Bins]

I'm fine getting lynched today if you're lynching Bins/DV the next 2 days.

If you’re town and I’m town that ends the game

[Bins]

PR has a higher chance of dying, not being able to put results
and there are noninvestigative PRs that can be claimed for a conftown

claim is good

[Bins]

No idea why A50 was killed.

And Keychain, I agree with Radja/DV. But I think Radja should go first, only because DV-slot has so much nonsense around it that should make it town.


And DV, I flipped on Radja because I was doing ISOs and a lot of Radja had said was town. But it’s all fakeable. I think a team of Reck, Shea, etc. are totally capable in helping Radja fake reads and fake discord logs. He used Recks reads to avoid LLD-wagon, for example. He’s not really done anything town beyond what he’s capable of scum.

This is sort of opposite of Chesskid. His “LLD wagon is lazy” seems like what I was doing with LLD. Smocaine was vote parking LLD, but I mean I’ve played with scum buddies that death tunneled me lazily. It’s just less likely, I think.

What makes you think that Radja could fake 2790 for example?

But it's not just that. I also don't at all understand the scum-motivation for Radja to fake it. At least in my experience, a lot of Radja's frustrating posting here is quite out of character for him. And I'm sure he knows this, so why would he do it as scum when it would be most likely to just set off alarm bells?

I am genuinely inquiring about this here, as I do have moments of paranoia here and there, but I find it difficult to convert my mind to a Radja-scum world.

Are you linking to the right post?

[Bins]

And bins can confirm that there is a stupid fucking snowstorm fucking every thing up.

Bulba's answer is.... a lot better than I was expecting. And it leaves me much more unsure on the super hipster Arch/Bulba theory that I was beginning to entertain.

Maybe Arch/Bins? Does anything else make sense? I'm not sure. I don't even feel that passionate about Arch-scum at the moment following my conversation with Mina Day 3, so I'm in a bit of a mess reads-wise at the moment.

Mostly just talking to myself here. No answers required really.

PEdit: No worries mate. I hope things are okay. And hope you have a good day at work!

):

I am town.


And I really think massclaim now will lead to less mess tomorrow.

[Bins]

oh and that other quote was because yeah it's a blizzard I hate it

[Bins]

....

Considering your only scumreads are 50% wrong and so are other peoples I think we need all the help we can get

[Bins]

i don’t understand why it’s so hard to get people to understand why massclaiming in LYLO sucks

[Bins]

I don't understand why this is such a big deal for you.

i can think of one good reason why when i imagine how LYLO goes down
i think the PRs should trust me on this

if you want i’ll start but i think we should all claim


also there isn’t much else to talk about
i have one strong scumread (radja)
but if that’s wrong then i guess DV and idk who else

[Bins]

- archwing I'm "townreading" (it's not strong) because of UCV's LLD vote and just gut. it's not strong.
- u know why I think ur scum



there u go

[Bins]

#massclaim saves lives

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VOTE: Radja

[Bins]

Second choice is still DV. I don't really want to lynch Archwing or Bulbazak.

[Bins]

You know what I’m down for? A massclaim.

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Radja-Archwing for a good scumteam.

No one is really opposing a DV lynch, which I don’t like. Especially considering how Chess and Smocaine acted around LLD.
If DV is town, man is it gonna be one of those retroactive “that was obvious”

[Bins]

Only because of my number of townreads.

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I want Radja first. If he’s town, then I’d feel more comfortable saying DV is scum.

[Bins]

AGREE.

And Radja/DV should start.

[Bins]

The fact you’re OK with half claiming like that over full claiming is really weird.

[Bins]

You’re most likely going to be the lynch today.

Pretty much everyone is OK with lynching you. That type of post is weird and now you’re better off just claiming

[Bins]

Actually

EVERYONE but me has listed you as their number one choice
Part of the reason I’m not scum reading you as my #1 choice
But dude you’re fucked so don’t half claim like that

[Bins]

OUUUU exciting

Was there a crumb?


This is fine. I was trying to figure out wtf you could be and that works
RADJA LYNCH TIME

[Bins]

Or I guess finish massclaim oops sry

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Doesn’t make me this Arch is more town but I already thought he was decently town
My team has my back here and wants to lynch tf out of Radja


let’s GOOOOOO

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Radja hammered. You shouldn't count him in that.

Honestly, if we're looking at people still alive. Bulba also could have had a bus vote.

And yes, I believe DV's claim.

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FMPOV, I think scum has to be on the wagon. And I'm not particularly impressed by any of the living player's votes, minus Keychain. I townread Dunker, I believe the DV claim, and the UCV/Bulba/Radja votes don't thrill me.

I think I'm at {Bulbazak, Radja} right now, unfortunately. I'm not really sold on Bulbazak, which is why Radja needs to go first.

Dunker - if you have ANY reason to oppose a Radja wagon, then fine. But if not, you really shouldn't be looking at votes as if scum were off the LLD wagon. I've been arguing the whole time that Radja's hammer looked funny and he got all defensive about it.

[Bins]

Dunkerdoodles, From Chillplay Bombahskiies
Archwing (replaces UC Voyager), From Spam Squad
Keychain, From Team Cuddly
Bulbazak, From Queue Agents
Bins, From Make Papa Proud
Radja, From Dandy Irate Hoes
TBD (replaces chesskid3 replaces Smocaine), From Who is John Galt?

least scummy to most scummy i guess

i assume chess slot is deasvail so i'd like to start there

^

I'd like you to go back to this, please.

[Bins]

why would it not be allowed?


and Radja don’t say i’ve been opposed to the DV lynch, i haven’t. i wanted your lynch more and the claim doesn’t change that
I don’t see why DV lies

[Bins]

or more importantly i don’t see why scum DV claims that

and bulba backup was used in TM already in ethers normal
now it’s not greylisted? i don’t think
my only iffy part was there being already a backup role

[Bins]

also balance

we’re missing PRs
can’t tell me that DV is lying and we have no more town PRs
i would have thought at least two

implosion thought two for sure because of Ethers game balance
doc + backup doc + neopolitan (implo says this is stronger than tracker)
vs just a tracker and a fruit vendor?

[Bins]

Arch is my number one choice. I was asked a leading "out of three" question that is somehow being taken as my actual top reads.

o i see




i wanna knnow where ur going with this "backup" stuff hm

[Bins]

I know but they were all reviewed for balance likely by the same group of people (?)
I'm VT - Keychain and you are left?

And Universal Backup would not be a good setup with Fruit Vendor, it'd make the role to swingy
And I don't really like mod meta. as a mod I tend to always want to incorporate roles I have never used before... so I dont see why people always look as mods as not liking or not using certain roles

[Bins]

k

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ah, i hope you can understand and don’t take this personally, cheet & shea


also shea did you see how annoyed it made implo that the power roles didn’t claim

[Bins]

also what part of i think there’s two PRs left do you not understand

i think AND HOPE there’s another PR

if another PR claims i don’t think it affects my DV read

[Bins]

Overall, not interested in you or Radja today.

why not

these r the people that need to die before LYLO, and radja is the better pick

and archwing is like, so, like, eh

next thing ur saying its {Archwing, Dunker} to u
so whats ur reason for stonewalling radja lynch HMM

[Bins]

I'm going to need the Radja scumread explained to me. Linking back to previous posts that I've either missed or were from before I replaced in is fine.

- cheeky cheeky radja did not have a good position in regards to the LLD lynch, using reck's read to distance from it ("LLD reach out to reck was town")
- he overjustified his hammer even when the majority of players didnt care
- the hammer was meh
- now he's trying to use his team to guilt me and AtE, ew
- PoE is pretty strong rn cause i have townreads on everyone else (dunker, keychain, DV prolly)


thats the best i got

argument for why not arch:
- UCV vote on LLD didnt look like a bus
- in general i have gotten good vibes from this slot, and am unsure on where a scumread could be coming from
- i cant figure out who his buddy would be, unless im wrong on dunker/keychain, because he's not scum with DV/bulba/radja

argument for why not DV:
- WE HAVE NO MORE PRS WTF

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also radjas team is 100000000000% capable of overfaking reads and tryharding as scum to win team mafia and the effort from his team honestly seems overforced to me

like sorry but all my team has been doing is memeing

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lmfao idk what my best scumgame ever is

so freaked and defensive wowow

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my wiki has scum wins?

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lol, you're joking right. Do you really believe if we wanted to win team mafia that they would have given me the scum PM? Holy shit.

i know why reck didn’t take a scum role PM
because he would have been easily lynched for meta reasons of being good at scumon your team

that’s such a BS reason


and i know math was nagging you
math was nagging everyone all game
you appeasing just mathdino over nothing at the time was meh meh meh


so defensive

[Bins]

@bulba

if i say u don’t be mad ok but i’m considering the possibility
im not going to come to that until i flip radja

but uh radja could be scum with anyone imo lol
other than DV
maybe Arch, idk
it’s all
idk

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god i can’t get over how bad this reaction is

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am i not

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VOTE: Radja

i am

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lmfao idk what my best scumgame ever is

so freaked and defensive wowow

lol what. Just give me a scumgame where you thought you played well. It's not like you haven't been asked to link to a scumgame before, right?

you played one with me
dedede fusion

like i said
wiki

and i’m not saying LLD was an easy lunch, but she was most likely screwed as it got closer to endgame because everyone would want someone who is very likely to pick scum dead

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i’m not saying that

i’m saying that Reck would be concerned with people wanting to lynch him over something not even game related, such as his likelihood to pick scum

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it’s the same reason i didn’t pick PR cause i thought i was a lynch target because people would be like “oh bins likes scum! let’s disregard what she says and lynch her


you bringing your teams emotions into this is weird af
imagine if i was like “SLEEPY KREW IS ANGRY AND THINKS UR GAMETHROWING”
also am i gamethrowinf or am i scum lol

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@deas
why did you track me? do really thought that out of the remaining alive players that if I was scum, I would have made the kill?

idk this is pretty town



and radja/arch doesn’t seem as possible to me because they don’t look like they’ve been bussing
if radja is somehow town then i need to re-evaluate everything and i’d probably flip everything around

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same

hammer urself?

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Why can't Archwing be scum with Bulba or Radja?

definitely not radja, just based on their votes and on what im seeing rn

but maybe bulba? idk that still feels weird

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Bins-DV.

Look at how Bins avoided the DV wagon at all costs today, despite scumreading him. Lynch me today but look at my posts tomorrow.

yo dawg next time try fakeclaiming PR

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@key - why would he also say “lynch me then” and all this “when i flip town” stuff
to have people feel iffy about lynching him

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It's not what makes him more scum than town, but you're asking how that can be scum and I'm saying very easily.

It looks like AtE and the fact he brought his team into it looks like bigger more unbelievable AtE.

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His reaction gives me the weirdest vibes and you aren't even SLIGHTLY picking up on that? I don't get it.

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Oops, my bad. Here's where I'm at:

Dunkers still town partly because I think Boon's influence would be more visible if he were scum, and I think I trust Elena's final read on him.
Bulba strikes me as town.
Still townreading Radja :/
Ugh maybe Bins is actually scum, I can't remember why I was townreading her and moreover I can't remember why she's townreading me so solidly at this point in the game.
The only reason I'm really townreading Archwing is the sync up with UCV, but I did read 3841 and the consistencies are not as strong as they first appeared. Potentially Arch could have gotten them from a read through UCV's ISO and non-Creature teammates.
DV claimed PR so he can be sorted out later, doesn't lock him as town (my ability to detect real/fake claims based on setup spec is like nil) but if he is we'll see if scum are willing to give him a night to track.

yeah I'm not lynching Archwing.

Why would scum swear off their counterwagon like this?

So right now you're saying I'm scum and everyone else is town (minus DV who can be sorted later?).....................

Unless you can give me a reason to townread Radja other than this pre-hammer AtE, I really can't see how you're holding on to this townread.

I'm not scum. And if you're not scum you should get RC's input again. And also I'm still townreading you for LLD vs. RC stuff but now I'm like \o/ please have a scumread that isn't me

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If I'm wrong, I blame Implosion.
If I'm right, it was all me.

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I may be a scummy person but I ain't scum. :c

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i’m guilty guys i’m a radja lyncher i won TM

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Yep. I give up. The ONE time Keychain wasn't supposed to die, she dies! Especially because she wasn't scumreading anyone (other than me... and DV). But uh, yeah I didn't expect that.

I have A LOT to say, so urh no votes. Wait for DV claim. etcetc.

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:$

THIS GAME BALANCE IS SO WACK

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I’m claiming now. This is to get assistance from the other town members in regards to balance in this 1v1.

I’m a Doctor. I never protected anyone correctly (SORRY). I crumbed this in on Day 1 638 - the first letter of each sentence spells out “Artz” which is doctor in German. I also heavily crumbed my protects after almost EVERY flip in the game and crumbed Doc a little more later on especially during the claim (hopefully if you reread this is obvious).

My protects were: Bulba (hence why I was like WHY DID BULBA NOT DIE), Chesskid (Which I INITIALLY HAD AS T-BONE AND SWITCHED LAST MINUTE, WHICH is why I was like “IM SO SORRY TBONE” and the reason I protected Chess was I thought if his reads were right he would die), next I protected Keychain (which is why I said “Why hasn’t Keychain died yet?”), finally last night I protected DV (very obviously why, even if I wasn’t sure of the claim).

THIS IS ALSO WHY I WANTED A MASSCLAIM THE DAY BEFORE LYLO. So I could get a good protect target (claims are useless to me in LYLO).

Anyways, I’m interested in this balance. Because Implosion still thinks Doc-Tracker+Backup-Fruit Vendor (essentially a neutral role) is balanced. Which is why I still believed DV’s claim. But now I have no idea.

Also, yell at me for the Radja lynch after.

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Yes,
I’m aware the scumteam might be DV+Bulba and I’m sorry.

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*Implosion thinks it’s not balanced.


I’m going to do a potential teams list later.
If Dunker is scum it’s taking me to my grave.

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Bins.

Any world where Deas isn't scum to you?

Well, yeah.

Right now, the possible teams are:

{Archwing or DV}, {Bulba or Dunker}

No idea.

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If you believe my claim, Bulba is pretty much conf. the other scum to you. Same with Bulba, if you believe my claim, Dunker is scum to you.

Also, the game is over if DV is town and we win. So.

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The fact that one of DV/Archwing is scum isn't what surprises me, I was going to look in there anyway today. What surprises me is one of Dunker+Bulba is scum and I'm not sure who that is.

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LLD-slot has such a hard townread on Dunker, same with Fitz-slot. Same with everyone in the game other than Mina (who died... surprisingly).

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can i ask why bulba + arch isn't one of the teams

They are. Ur reading my table wrong.

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Ha ha. Implosion just told me to self-vote.

I have no idea! Scum has played very well.
If DV is scum, damn that claim was really lucky and well done, especially because we are low on PRs if he's lying!
If Archwing is scum, both UCV and you played very well. I had a gut townread on you all game.
If Bulba is scum, I also had a strong townread all game. Just all around I've seen good play here.
If Dunker is scum, AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.

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It's ~crazy~ and ~wild~ but I just want to vote Bulba because I can't figure out Arch and DV.

DV please make lots of town posts

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Implosion is now telling me not to say what he's saying ahaaHAHAHA.

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Hello I am not hammering

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@Arch
- Please respond to Dunker's 4047 and why those aren't good reasons for you to make the kill.

Love, Implosion



Also, Bulba... why rush? Implo is HEAVY SUS.

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Sry, fam. This line of defence isn't really working for me.

I don't think Bulba votes with DV that quickly as DV's buddy.

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STOP TALKING TO ME LIKE I WOULD TALK IF I WERE SCUM IN LYLO

Make a case to me on how DV/Chess/Smocaine are scum, rather than whine about how town you've been.

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One of my teammates who doesn't wanna be called out (lmfao) thinks Archwing's reaction is really two-dimensional. I don't know if I'm reading it as extremely genuine or extremely manipulative. There's also the whole "blahblahblah why does DV fakeclaim like this".

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Yeah, my team and I all think the Bulba rushed vote was sort of odd and I can see it coming from a scum buddy. With you saying you think it's probably Arch, the partner might think he's doomed and then vote in that scenario. The one thing I don't get then is that Bulba has been pretty much bussing for the last two days.

To you, Bulba should be lock scum. And the fact that I'm townreading you makes me also think that Bulba is lock-scum. Though, I'm more compelled to lynch in Arch-DV if possible.

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As for a Bulba vote, I probably wouldn't be 100% never ever against it. Bulba and Arch suddenly being at each other's throats makes me think that with me tracking Arch, Bins claiming Doc, and people not being that suspicious of me, they've sort of freaked out and decided to hard bus each other as a hail mary. I can't make sense of Bulba's weirdly premature vote on Archwing other than as a weird attempt to distance.

^ Basically, this.

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Hey, I’m taking my time here. I’m waiting for the long weekend.

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Wow that’s so much effort

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Yeah I’m probably going to hammer I just want input from my team

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I would lynch Bulba first but it really doesn’t solve the you v DV situation in the long run

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traitor? lol

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My team has been doing that too

hmmm

Sorry long weekend was unexpectedly busy

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k so heres the scoop.

creature believes there to be a mafia-bulletproof-traitor, and he believes its bulba.

we pretty much spent all night talking about it.

but again, it's setup spec. and besides, if that's true, we're better off lynching Deas anyways.

Wait can you elaborate on this? Is this an April Fools day prank

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Dunker I'm OK with hammering if you have anything else to say

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:^) perfectly fine with a Bulba lynch cause you wanna bus your partner huh

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Like I said to Dunker, it doesn't solve anything to lynch Bulba today
Sure we can say we got "closer" to winning but it's just stalling the fact we still have decide between you and DV in the end

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Hey Bins/Dunker, where are your thoughts currently at?

There's been a lot of uhhh... questionable posts over the last few pages and it's become really obvious (at least to me) that Arch has gotten to the point where he's just throwing whatever he can out there to see what sticks. I've sort of been holding back because I don't want this to descend into a quote wall war if I can help it (or spam posting war, one or the other, I guess). But if by any chance either of you are still unsure or need more from me, I'll happily point out all the uh questionable posting. I just don't want to start ripping into Arch's posts unnecessarily if you guys see it too.

You think it's Bulba/Arch right? and not Dunker/Arch? So Bulba's putting on this bus show

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Bulba and Dunker are the scumteam :^) huh

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K idk I fuck up more as town and arch is playing to my feels
My team is just screaming at all these logic slips rn so idk
BUT MAYBE LOGIC SLIPS R TOWN idk

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Uh cause tmmr we have to do it anyways and it'll just be dunker making the decision

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I'm going to semi spam the thread rn

@Smocaine: I'd really like you to explain your LLD vote.

To anyone on a wagon with Smocaine: Think really hard about that, because that's not someplace you want to be.

I think I see what you're getting at, but Voyager is still a read where I don't care one way or the other.

Was leaning town on smoc but need more

How do you have a town read on Smocaine?

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Can't believe I'm saying it but Bulbazak gets half the points I was gonna give for noting it but not actually voting it?

Or does that result in losing points I don't even know. Something to watch.

Aw. I love you too.

As for CDB and Chess, they're kinda *shrug*. Chess I'm giving time to get in fully, so not interested in looking that direction today. CDB I don't feel particularly one way or the other. I'd like you to go more into Aero, because he is similar to CDB for me.

UCV, like most of his team, has a high opinion of his scum game. (Clarification: Mastina says most of UCV's team has high opinions of their own scum game.)

On Arch scumread:

I'm still maybe scumreading him? I really don't like how he's positioning himself recently, and my earlier VCA would suggest the slot is scum. However, I still want to go over the timing he pointed out and see if that works at all from a scum perspective. So not interested in voting there just yet.

Rest of the game is a lot of Arch vs. Bulba

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On Archwing/UC Voyager:

The UC Voyager ISO is mostly unremarkable to me. 1324 is a bit ehhhh I guess, but I haven't worked out exactly what I think of it yet. I'm leaning towards the focus on LLD here being scummy, as if he felt the need to say something about the LLD wagon, or else he'd be ignoring it. But I'm also now spending a lot of time going back and forth on this one post and so right now I'm going to stop.

When reading Archwing, I find the team-chat related comments quite interesting. In 2962. I think Arch is probably being truthful about this regardless of alignment, but I actually think that this much more closely describes how a team mafia team would respond to a scumslot rather than a townslot. I could be wrong, but my impression is that this has been a fairly lurky game and so UC Voyager seemed(?) to be skating by fairly easily on low activity. So his team would not feel any need to do anything more pro-active than "tell him to do stuff" if he were scum. However, I feel like there would be a more pressing need to influence the game state and ~try to lynch scum!~ as town.

A lot of the provided team-reads feel a bit forced also, as if a requirement in response to being pressured to provide them, rather than "hey this is what me and my team think should happen!" or "hey he hasn't been reading the game, just listen to what I say". Both of these I think would be town responses. Instead there seems this effort to appease without actually doing it very well...

I also don't like the waffling on Bulba in 3491 and 3494, but the team contribution posts more recently are better than earlier on. (e.g. 3511 is not bad)

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I have not seen Archwing mentioned recently as a potential lynch. Is there a reason for this/something obvious that I'm missing?

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Hate the fact that the games won based on this decision
ISOs of LLD, UCV, Bulba, Chess... Fitz... all make me more confident in Arch scum with Bulba with just really well done bussing

Yeah if we're wrong Arch I'm sorry but scum played well especially Chesskid and DV

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That's not true lmfao I was townreading you and scumreading/wishy-washy on DV

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'Cause you've been guiltied by a claim I believe?

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ikr :C

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though he linked that other game and he was being all appeal-y in that as well

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ok lets lynch bulba

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here's the plan

if bulba flips traitor, lynch DV
if bulba flips something like a PR, then definitely lynch Arch
if he's goon that sucks but yknow

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VOTE: bulba

if it's arch / dunker I accept defeat!

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UNVOTE:

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I would ask you to consider unvoting Bins, just because I would be able to confirm which of Bulba/Dunker is scum tonight if we lynch Archwing.

This isn’t true. Scum isn’t going to kill.