Open 712: Elemental Large (Mafia win)

[texcat]

Creature too, but I don't remember his style much.

LOL. You must not have played with Creature then.

VOTE: Aneninen who had me fooled last game

[texcat]

She may be cute, but I don't think that's a very good reason to follow her.

VOTE: Jaydragon

[texcat]

Lalendra, Any comment on Jaydragon not doing anything but sheeping you?

[texcat]

Does anyone know how the leocrotta to read hydras?

I don't even know what the question means.

Almost50 wagon seems like a good idea, but for now I'll wagon the liar:

VOTE: Lalendra

Nice catch by Brass...
VOTE: Lalendra

[texcat]

I misread the bolded part below:

Interesting play points on Creature.

He's been online since the game has started

,

but he hasn't posted anywhere

else, either; it was quite early in the morning, so it's possible he hasn't yet checked his role PM. I'd rather wait to wagon him until he's posted or more time goes by.

Considering that his entrance is pretty typical of his playstyle and that he is now active and engaged, I'm okay with placing him in the townpile now. The OMGUS response is typical of him, as A50 pointed out.

So you (mis)read the part you bolded, but skipped the part I put in red? Okkk

A50

, I'm having trouble with all of these associations you're making. You said that Creature and Doom are obviously linked. I'm not convinced. Then you say that a scum Creature would mean a scum Taly. Again I'm not convinced.

Paradox

, You've done something similar.

Spoiler:

Okay then.
One of {Creature, doom, A50} is scum. If A50 is town, the other two are probably scum. If A50 is scum, the other two are probably town.
VOTE: Almost50

How can you be sure this is not town on town? How can you be sure that A50 isn't bussing?

I've decided I don't need a response.

VOTE: TGP

This looks like his scum game to me. I've seen it before.

-Brass

Can you explain what exactly looks like his scum game? He's only made 3 posts.

[texcat]

The only thing that's really stood out to me are Texcat and Aneninen going at each other quietly so I prodded that. Otherwise... Everyone else said it better, haha

I DO just wanna say, however : It is so strange to me that everyone is afraid to lynch each other in this first round. Or at least to pick a person, haha. (Oh, gosh, I just got myself lynched, huh?) xD It's okay to take a leap in round 1.The kills will get us more information. Let's get up and go somewhere, not just make tracks in the mud.

You'll have to get Aneninen to explain why he's going after me. But going after each other is a misrep. I haven't gone after Aneninen, aside from my RVS vote which didn't even make it to the bottom of page 1.

I misread the bolded part below:

Interesting play points on Creature.

He's been online since the game has started

,

but he hasn't posted anywhere

else, either; it was quite early in the morning, so it's possible he hasn't yet checked his role PM. I'd rather wait to wagon him until he's posted or more time goes by.

Considering that his entrance is pretty typical of his playstyle and that he is now active and engaged, I'm okay with placing him in the townpile now. The OMGUS response is typical of him, as A50 pointed out.

So you (mis)read the part you bolded, but skipped the part I put in red? Okkk

Texcat, what did you mean by putting that bit in red?

I'm not sure I can make it any clearer, but.... Brass pointed out in 102 that Lalendra was wrong when she said Creature was active elsewhere. Lalendra's excuse was that she misread the Doom quote. And she bolded the part she misread. I was just pointing out in red that the same sentence also says that he hadn't posted anywhere, a direct contradiction to what Lalendra claimed in 62.

[texcat]

Almost50 wagon seems like a good idea, but for now I'll wagon the liar:

VOTE: Lalendra

Nice catch by Brass...
VOTE: Lalendra

Wot, no explanation? Why are you voting Lalendra?

I thought that the explanation was in Creature's post, but.... For conveniently vote parking on the Creature wagon and lying about Creature to do it. She now says that she wasn't lying. She misread. It's possible and I'll probably move my vote eventually.

Creature (4) - Sando, Almost50, Shadpearl, Lalendra

One lurker, one scummy, one newbie, and one who at first glance posts like a newbie townie. Interesting.

Are those in order? I don't believe that Lalendra is a newbie.

[texcat]

3)

Your case on

Doomfeathers

is understated. I cannot "follow you" if I don't know why you're pushing someone.

As far as I can tell the case is that Doom was associated (if only in the mind of A50) with Creature, and A50 was scumreading Creature at the time. I see no sign of an independent case on Doom. A50 even started to retract his read on Doom in

Your attempt to switch attention to doom now makes me thin doom IS being a bad townie here. You're going down next after Creature flips red.

And yet now A50 has switched his attention to Doom, so much so that he wants to go mano a mano with him. Something stinks here.

VOTE: Almost50

[texcat]

Texcat's play is different to her townplay.

That's likely.

I am calling bullshit on this.

[texcat]

Texcat's play is different to her townplay.

That's likely.

I am calling bullshit on this.

Have you played with Doom before?

- Kop

No, I haven't. That's why this is BS. I did just finish a game with Aneninen, but it was abandoned on Day2, so a fairly small sample size for his meta. And I played with Aneninen way back when, but don't think that counts.

You didn't explain your vote on

Lalendra

. What did

Brass

catch?

I thought I explained this in 231 and 257. I was referring to Brass's 102.

What's your read on

Doomfeathers, Texcat

?

Town. But mostly because I'm reading A50 as scum.

Texcat's play is different to her townplay.

That's likely.

I am calling bullshit on this.

Explain.

See above response to Kop.

Also, 300

Tell me why Almost50 is a better lynch than TheGoldenParadox.

This question still stands.

Shrug. I've got more of a scum read on him.

[texcat]

UNVOTE:
A50, I wish you had explained all this earlier.

VOTE: TheGoldenParadox

[texcat]

UNVOTE:
I'm willing to wait for replacement.

@Jimmy

, Have you caught up yet? Any reads for us while we're waiting?

[texcat]

VOTE: Jimmy

[texcat]

VOTE: TheGoldenParadox
If we're not getting replacements, I'd prefer to lynch this slot.

[texcat]

Yay for replacements!

[texcat]

Now if someone would just find a hammer, we could finally get out of Day 1.

[texcat]

First glance suggests Taly's entire push on Jay was mad distancing. No canvassing for votes, explicitly stated it was a pressure vote to get Jay to do something. I don't actually think his case on Jay was alignment indicative.
VOTE: Taly

My first glance suggested that Taly might be the SK.

[texcat]

^^^ These votes were less than 10 posts apart. I know Jay flipped scum, but texcat and Kopherald were fast here.

Also, less than 10 posts later, why didn't a doc-claim make you guys question keeping the vote on him?

I don't know what you mean by fast here. I was the first of the three. And while there may have been few posts before the claim, it was at least hours. As I was catching up and read the claim, I was considering where to move my vote, but then came to the selfvote, and decided to leave it.

[texcat]

If Mathdino being scum is the most logical universe in your eyes, then why are you proclaiming that he's a townleader and transparently giving him scumpoints AFTER he's replaced out?

THIS. Is what distancing looks like.

VOTE: Sando

Taly, does this imply that you are scum reading Mathdino?

[texcat]

Jimmy what are your reads?

I'm not waiting for this, but wouldn't mind seeing Jimmy's reads.

VOTE: Jimmy
Hasn't done crap. Just tried to throw shade on me for my RVS votes. I don't know how much of the game he's read, but he has not commented on much at all. So why bring up my RVS votes?

[texcat]

Jimmy seems like an easy player to pick on, if he flips non-scum, I think we would need to look at his wagon - but I think he could very likely flip scum.
Havingfitz is hopefully simply busy IRL, hard really to cast judgement on that one.

I'll wait a bit to sort Shadpearl & LUV - I'm not sure what happened there


I noticed Texcat seems to appear in a few of the bigger wagons and is also pushing Jimmy again which as i said is a bit easy. I'm not a fan of this.


VOTE: Texcat

I've got a few more slots to look at more carefully but i am ok putting my vote there right now

Uhhh...So Jimmy is likely to flip scum, but you're voting me because I'm voting him. In what universe does that make sense?

LUV, welcome and thanks for 896, it makes me feel more positive in my Jimmy vote.

[texcat]

Texcat

, do you think

Jimmy-profii

could be connected? Is your read on them independent of the other?

I started with an independent scum read on Jimmy, although he's got so little content that it was not a strong read.

But after Profii's 895, they certainly could be connected. Profii looks a lot like scum trying desperately to find a wagon. He is throwing shade on you and Ausuka. He voted me because I was on a few wagons on D1?? And yet he thinks Jimmy is likely to flip scum. If he is scum in search of a wagon, then surely he could have voted Jimmy. There's a wagon already made for him.

Jimmy doesn't have enough content to read properly. But his vote on me for my RVS votes was atrocious. If Jimmy flips scum, Profii is scum. If Jimmy flips town, I'm not so sure about Profii. If Profii flips scum, Jimmy is scum. If Profii flips town, I think it's NAI for Jimmy.

I'm willing to vote for either one of them at this point. Unfortunately, I can't vote both of them.

[texcat]

We have been having some more quiet discussions in the background. Kop is better at giving his full reads, and is leading the way on the fitz push, but has not been around as much.

My personal inactivity is due to having had basically no internet and not wanting to step on Kop's toes with his fitz reasoning.

We are definitely united on the fitz read, and Kop talked me out of the Ausuka read because I was being impulsive. Kop is going to expand more on the fitz stuff being better at actually getting out thoughts rather than my shorthand, but both of us agree it's more than just inactivity and the Jimmy vote.

-Brass

I'm not seeing the Fitz case based on inactivity. So if there's something else, I'd like to know what.

[texcat]

Only one doc left. So we could have a counterclaim now. And either the doc got really lucky or scum and SK both killed Aneninen.

Taly went from scum reading Profii to town reading him in a very short period of time, and I'm not sure I followed his reasoning.

ShadPearl was not on my scum list, but that hammer was pretty awful.

Creature, why should we town read you?

[texcat]

VOTE: kopherald

This seems a little out of the blue. Reasons?

[texcat]

Sigh. Yep I agree that the doc should not counterclaim, since you've essentially just admitted that your claim was fake.

[texcat]

Taly, can you explain your town read of Profii late in the day yesterday? I'm confused. You were hard scum reading him all day yesterday and then at the 10th or 11th hour you suddenly moved to town reading him. I can understand that perhaps the Jimmy lynch looked marginally better than the Profii lynch, but you said that Profii was town.

[texcat]

Hmmmm ok

UNVOTE: Taly

You can be town

Can you tell us what specifically changed your mind?

[texcat]

Fitz has given us zero reasons to town read him, but I can't help but think that he'd be trying harder if he were scum.

Intent to hammer Profii.

[texcat]

VOTE: ShadPearl
But Profii, I thought you said you thought I was the SK earlier?

Can you tell me specifically what your view of

Almost50's

claim is?

Sigh. Yep I agree that the doc should not counterclaim, since you've essentially just admitted that your claim was fake.

Or rather, a better question, what makes you think

Almost50

fakeclaimed? Also,

Why is a counterclaim good with 11 people still alive....?

If you don't think a counterclaim is good, then why did you point out the possibility of it?

When I originally said that a counterclaim was possible, I was thinking that A50 was a doc, and that if we didn't have a counterclaim that would confirm him. When he immediately told the real doc not to counterclaim, it looked to me like he was saying that his doc claim was fake. And PS that second quote is not from me.

[texcat]

You stand by all of that and yet you're voting for me? Why don't you think we need to resolve the Profii/Shadpearl situation?

[texcat]

So what does lynching either of them gain us today?

A scum. And some confirmed information that we can use tomorrow.

[texcat]

@Texcat Profii and Taly are both on the Shad!SK boat, but you say we've caught scum. Why do you think it's scum and not SK? What do you think of Profii and Taly assuming SK?

I don't think that. We don't know. That's one of the reasons to resolve the situation now. I don't understand if you honestly don't get it, or if you're trying to protect a scum buddy for one more night.

[texcat]

We might be SK-dependent at this point, but whatever.

Creature, you're not suggesting that we leave the SK alive in hopes that they kill mafia for us, are you?

[texcat]

I mean like SK at this point would want mafia dead before they find him/her.

This is a good point.

Not killing Shad would either force mafia to target Shad (or the sk if Shad is mafia). We still have the bandwidth to absorb any worst case outcome from not killing Shad today and if things go poorly tonight we can kill Shad tomorrow.

Huh????

If SK!Shad lives, he targets whoever he wants. His days are numbered. Mafia targets Profii who is the greater danger to them, thereby exposing Shad for town to deal with.

If mafia!Shad lives, they target whoever they want, probably leaving town still with the question of whether Profii was lying about his guilty. The SK is more likely to go after Profii than Shad.

If town!Shad lives, both mafia and SK do whatever they want. Both still want more town deaths. In particular, the tracker and the remaining doc. At some point we might hope for crosskills, but it's just a hope.

In none of these situations is Shad NKd.

Compare that with lynching Shad today, and being able to use his flip and associations tomorrow to find more scum.

[texcat]

We have a guilty from a claimed and not cc'd tracker. I agree with Ausuka. It looks to me like we have a caught scum. I don't understand why we'd want to mislynch.

All of this wifom and trying to keep scum guessing is nonsense. Scum already knows what's going on and is probably laughing their asses off. And they are never going to resolve this for us. Why would they? Even if the tracker keeps tracking and finding guilties, we probably won't lynch them.

[texcat]

I'm willing to switch to Profii. I think Shad raises some very valid points, and A50 paints a reasonable picture of what happened. I'm not willing to vote outside of Profii/Shad, because I think we need to resolve this today, and I'll want to have a discussion after the game with the tracker.

VOTE: Profii

[texcat]

And I think that is L-1.

[texcat]

@mod, votecount please

And nope, it looks like L-2. I think Shad, A50, Ausuka, and me are voting Profii.

[texcat]

Nobody is saying, or wanting a mislynch.

And you can't say that scum knows what's happening when there are 2 different anti-town factions in play here.

What makes you so quickly to flip and vote

profii

? A few posts ago, you treated it like any other lynch besides

Shadpearl

was ignoring scum.

Sando appears to want a mislynch of either me or Ausuka.

One scum team knows what's happening. And the other one doesn't know, but I'm pretty sure is just sitting back and laughing.

I explained when I voted. It was the points that Shad made in 1213 and A50's 1218.

Trackers don't learn the action that was used on the person, just the target.

So in the world of

Tracker-profii

, when there were 3 other docs still alive before N1's conclusion, had little way of deducing whether or not

Jimmy's

target was a protect or kill, until after a flip on him.

I also don't think

profii

tracking you absolves you from the shit-hammer that was 1000. I can see both a reality where

scum-profii

would fake-guilty you, and

town-profii

tracking you becuase of the content on your posts.

There were 2 kills on N1. If Profii tracked Jimmy to Sando on N1, as claimed, Jimmy would be confirmed as a doc. Jimmy has a PR(he visited Sando). Jimmy does not have a killing role(Sando did not die and two others did).

[texcat]

Thanks for replacing in, Something!

I'm not sure I remember what was going on in this game. KopHerald, talk to us about Fitz.

[texcat]

I agree. And without checking in detail, I'm not sure how accurate it is. For example, Sando's vote was on Ausuka yesterday, and I know he expressed suspicion of me, but Taly doesn't mention that.

[texcat]

I agree with your conclusions about who the last two bad guys are, but your arguments have a very winey smell to me.

I'm town reading Ausuka, A50, and ShadPearl.
Probably town: Taly and Something (though who knows about this slot that's been replaced so many times!)
That leaves Fitz and KopHerald for scum.

VOTE: Fitz
voting here for the time being. I'd still like to hear from KopH.

[texcat]

Taly, Don't you imagine that scum might have killed Sando because it would make KopHerald look guilty? That's the problem I have with your argument. I don't think that scum kill those who will make them look guilty. They'd rather make someone else look guilty.

[texcat]

We have not yet heard from either Fitz or KopH. I'd like to hear from them today before making a final decision on my vote.

[texcat]

So it's confirmed that I have piss-poor charisma, at least in this game...

I want to hear

texcat

speak more and respond to

Almost50

, but my stances/reads so far have not changed.

I don't know why anybody who's read the game would think I'm playing survivalistically.

I'm willing to speak more, but I have no idea how to respond to A50's gut read. He says that deep in his gut I'm scum, regardless of my votes. I guess he thinks I've been lurking. But he doesn't seem to remember me arguing vociferously with Sando yesterday about lynching the guilty.

I'm guessing that A50 is really our last doc. I'm not sure why he's still alive, but the fact that he is still alive makes me think that scum is playing WIFOM with their kills. It's one of the reasons I'm a little wary of Taly's NK analysis.

I still prefer to lynch Fitz over KopHerald. The only case on KopHerald is Taly's NK analysis and my POE. Neither are very good cases imo. KopHerald has made a case on Fitz (1038 1093, for starters).

[texcat]

Shadpearl and Something,
Are yall planning on voting?

[texcat]

I don't think I'd characterize them as compellling. I just think they make a better case than Taly's NKA. (And I can hear Taly gnashing his teeth from way over here at my description of his case.)

[texcat]

I give up. We can lynch Fitz tomorrow.

VOTE: KopHerald

I believe that's L-1.

[texcat]

you keep going VLA so much after making very little impassioned pushes/votes, and it feels like you wait until someone's going to be wagoned/potentially-lynched before you throw a vote down...

Also this just caught my eye. None of this is alignment indicative.

Being V/LA may not be AI, but I think waiting to vote/give reads until you see which way the wind is blowing is definitely a scum trait.

[texcat]

Yeah, I was thinking texcat wasn't really town, and I didn't like their vote onto Kopherald

LOL. You spent all day trying to convince me to vote KopH, but you didn't like my vote!?

[texcat]

texcat, I still full-heartedly expect you to answer 1432.

Why didn't I push Fitz harder? I didn't see it going anywhere. You didn't seem like you were going to change your mind. Ausuka plainly stated twice that they weren't going to change. Plus, I was scum reading Kop, just not as strong a read as I had on Fitz.

[texcat]

VOTE: Fitz

[texcat]

By the way, why

WASN'T

my NKA-D4 not compelling to you?

I thought we discussed NKA ad nauseum yesterday. NKA is suspect because it is so easily manipulated by scum. It's entirely WIFOM. I don't think I'll ever find it

compelling

. What's your take on A50 still being alive?

I went back to look at all the votes.
Texcat:

FlavorLeat, Jimmy,

Profii

,

KopHerald

Almost50:

FlavorLeaf, Jimmy,

Profii

, Texcat
Taly:

JayDragon

, NV,

Profii

,

KopHerald

Fitz:

KopHerald, Jimmy,

NV,

KopHerald

Shadpearl: NV,

Jimmy,

Profii

, NV
Something:

FlavorLeaf,

Profii

, NV, NV

I didn't see anything of particular note, but perhaps someone will. LUV voted Profii on D2, but was not on the lynch D3.

[texcat]

Almost50 is just about IC-level to me, to be honest.

There's no CC, there's nothing to suggest anyone else is the Doc, or if Almost50 is lying.

I just think Almost50 is still alive to create WIFOM, and scum wants town to suspect him for still being here.

It'd be stupid for town to even try to disprove/suspect/lynch Almost50 today, I'm entirely against suspicion on him.

Townhunting is just as important as scumhunting; and Almost50 is my most confident townread.

I agree with all of this. You admit that A50 is alive to create WIFOM, but you don't think that the kills were made to create WIFOM?

[texcat]

Taly, I guess you still think that Fitz is the SK?

[texcat]

What do you think about the Ausuka-kill?

I think it's interesting that there was only 1 kill last night. I'm guessing that both scum and the SK went after Ausuka. You could make the argument that Ausuka was killed because they suspected Fitz, or you could make the argument that Ausuka was killed because scum wanted to make Fitz look guilty. I do note that Ausuka added me to their suspect list after Kop's flip. But I'm pretty sure she would be voting Fitz today.

Though, what do you think about

texcat

not really responding to our scumreads on them?

I still don't know what to respond to. A50 said yesterday that his scum read on me was just gut. Hard to respond to that. And lol I've definitely responded more than Fitz.

Um.

I thought havingfitz fosing literally the entire playerlist was sort of towny, so I'd probably say texcat.

And yeah I can go look at what Mathdino said but I very much doubt that it's possible to read Shadpearl's alignment from the mod's decision to replace Mathdino.

And I think Fitz fos'ing the entire playlist was scummy as hell. Those can't be his real reads. His top pick for SK was A50?? Really?

[texcat]

@mod

Would it be possible to prod Fitz and Shadpearl please?

[texcat]

So much of this post is provably incorrect. I apologize about the length. The question I now have is about Taly. Is he just conf-biasing? Is he intentionally trying to get another mislynch like yesterday?

What do you think about the Ausuka-kill?

I think it's interesting that there was only 1 kill last night. I'm guessing that both scum and the SK went after Ausuka. You could make the argument that Ausuka was killed because they suspected Fitz, or you could make the argument that Ausuka was killed because scum wanted to make Fitz look guilty. I do note that Ausuka added me to their suspect list after Kop's flip. But I'm pretty sure she would be voting Fitz today.

So you're saying

havingfitz

probably killed

Ausuka

? Plus,

Ausuka

was suspecting both you and

havingfitz

, no?

Though, what do you think about

texcat

not really responding to our scumreads on them?

I still don't know what to respond to. A50 said yesterday that his scum read on me was just gut. Hard to respond to that. And lol I've definitely responded more than Fitz.

How about the fact that you've on every lynch wagon so far, and your reasons for voting people, to my knowledge, have been vague at best.

So? How is that scummy? Because I don't know who is scum? Or because I agreed with town? I was pretty adamant in my reasons for being on the Profii wagon (lol even if I was adamantly on the Shadpearl wagon for a while.)

How about you give me your assessment on

profii

randomly voting and pushing you in between D2 with literally almost no prompt.

I'm pretty sure I gave my opinion at the time that the vote was crap. It was Profii trying and failing to find a wagon.

How about you actually ask

Almost50

on his scumread over you instead of writing it off as gut.

I thought A50 made it pretty clear that he's in a gut read tunnel. He hasn't asked me any questions. He has not engaged with me. Plus he said early in the game,

texcat I always scum read regardless, and Jimmy hasn't been in the game to begin with.

How about you do your own evaluations of reads right now, considering you seem to have been wrong on who's scum most of this game.

Um.

I thought havingfitz fosing literally the entire playerlist was sort of towny, so I'd probably say texcat.

And yeah I can go look at what Mathdino said but I very much doubt that it's possible to read Shadpearl's alignment from the mod's decision to replace Mathdino.

And I think Fitz fos'ing the entire playlist was scummy as hell. Those can't be his real reads. His top pick for SK was A50?? Really?

Exactly.

Havingfitz

is scum and you are the final scum to me, and nothing's really changed that.

Though, what do you think about

texcat

not really responding to our scumreads on them?

I don't think you've really given her much to respond to... it seems to me that the largest part of the case is PoE. And since I don't think that responding to scumreads on oneself is generally that necessary or productive, I don't really think anything of it.

Responding to someone's scumread IS productive. It gives valuable information pre and post flip that help deduce other people's alignments, imo.

I agree.

When there is something to respond to

. I'm trying to show where you've gone wrong. There is nothing for me to show A50.

And yeah, I feel like there's plenty of stuff for

texcat

to respond to.

1)

Why did she vote a claimed doc

I thought this was obvious and without going back to look I thought I said at the time. I didn't believe the claim. Boon always fake claims. I thought that TGP would have claimed doc, if the slot was really doc. And then there was the self-vote that looked like a scum claim. I can't imagine not voting for it.

2)

What was the point of this? 21 A little talk with

JaydragonKing

that didn't resolve anything?

It was page 1! What was the point of anything on page 1??? You're really stretching here. And the point was that I didn't like Jaydragon saying that she was just going sheep.

3)

Oh look, 108, the mislynch-bait vote.

Yep, I voted Lalendra for lying about Creature's activity. Is that supposed to be scummy??

4)

620 and 621

texcat

unvotes, and immediately

JayDragonKing

votes for no reason; but he revotes for no reason again. 626

I have no idea what you're trying to say here. My vote had been on TGP, but I unvoted to wait for replacements. The vote in 621 was frustration at waiting. JayDragon's 622 followed mine, but was 7 hours later. Nothing was immediate in this part of the game. And yeah, JayDragon was scum, but if you're trying somehow to link me to JayDragon here, I don't get it.

5)

694 - she wants to hammer a claimed doc.

6)

754 - I dare her to say I'm still her SK guess.

7)

794 - she never really commented on the selfvote when she decided to 'leave' it.

8)

844 - Like most of the time in this game,

texcat

only really forms a stance and vote when someone prompts her, only.

I've explained my thinking on FlavorLeaf more than once. And I disagree with this characterization of me not taking a stance. My stance on resolving the Profii/Shadpearl claim was clear. I think my stance on Fitz was clear yesterday and again today.

9)

899 - Weak handwave dismiss of

profii's

case on her.

Weak handwave was all that "case" deserved.

10)

919 - Says that

profii and JaydragonKing

are connected; but provides no associative between them as a scumteam, and just says that

profii

is scum while not looking at the possibility he could've been SK.

You seem desperate to try to tie me to Jaydragon. But Jaydragon was not even mentioned in this post. This was me responding to a question from

you

about a possible connection between Profii and

Jimmy

.

11)

1117 - Seems to believe there's no chance at all of an NK on

Shadpearl

Huh? Is this the wrong post number? This post was me stating intent to hammer Profii before Profii's tracker claim.

12)

1240 - Do I need to elaborate here? Her tune quickly shifts to - likely bussing - profii, and she's stating that 1 group of scum know what's going on and are happy? Does this really come out of town's mouth?

Yes. Don't you think scum was enjoying Profii's tracker claim? This was me explaining to

you

why Profii's claim made no sense. Something you admitted you had overlooked when you later voted Profii in 1262.

13)

1295 - Her PoE has no reasoning behind it.

The question though is, why would he fake reads like that? It would deprive him of any strong direction to push in as scum while also drawing attention to himself.

And yes, I have seen weird reads like that come from town before.

Because

havingfitz

thinks by being so apathetic and antitown, nobody's going to scumread him even though he seems to not give a damn about town winning this game.

Shadpearl and havingfitz have been prodded.

If a replacement comes in, my starting-to-grow apathy is going to double.

This last statement I can agree with.

[texcat]

Or is it Taly? The one who has been the Town MVP all game?

The SK could be Town MVP. Just saying.

[texcat]

Lynching scum today leaves it 2-1 and practically guarantees the other scum a win (unless Almost gets very lucky).

Lynching town today doesn't seem like it can be right, but leaves it at 1-2 with the scum trying to shoot each other over night. If they succeed, a townie is the last man standing.

No lynch makes it 2-2 over night, but it still seems like the scum will need to shoot each other, and it gives us more chance of survival.

VOTE: No lynch

[texcat]

Yeah, I'm surprised. I though

texcat

was the Mafia and

Something_Smart

was the SK.

Texcat

, did you really think I was Mafia?... I'm not sure why you didn't shoot

Shadpearl

or

Something_Smart

to try and take out the last mafia.

I thought you were more dangerous to me than mafia was.

N6
A50 protects texcat from Earth

???

This was actually right, and I didn't think A50 would realize, as noted in the PT. If he picks the same element as me then my win chance drops to zero, and town and texcat split the difference.

Also dave, texcat couldn't shoot me because I outed her, so even if she had lived she'd have been lynched for sure.

Yep, shooting Something would hand town the win with two townies alive on D7, whether or not I survived. I thought my only hope was the 1-1-1 scenario.

Like, if I was a FULL Doctor I would have saved 3 kills, but then that would have saved a Mafioso on D1. I wish I could've saved texcat on N6 still though.

If you were a full doc, you'd be dead. ; ) And I wish you had saved me too!!!

[texcat]

Yo Tex, would you have shot Profii N3 if he was alive after that claim?

No, I would still have shot you. It was pretty obvious by the end of day that you were the tracker.

[texcat]

Sando, I don't understand why you didn't just counterclaim, since it was obvious (at least to me) that you were the tracker. And why didn't you push the Profii lynch? I still don't understand the thinking there.

[texcat]

But yeah, basic plan was to get the SK to kill Profii.

Lol. I was never going to kill Profii (or Shadpearl). Never ever.