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Who do I know?
Almost50 (I think!), Aneninen (Scummy by nature), JaydragonKing (Always hard to read), Lalendra (I remember the name, but nothing about the play), havingfitz (My favourite guess for the SK), doomfeathers (Was I/you Town or Scum in that newbie game? Remind me who was also in it.), texcat (...), TheGoldenParadox (Fitting name), Creature (Unless he does something major within the next 48 hours; this is the D1 lynch by default)
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Sando, Shadpearl, profii, blockcandy, Taly, Ausuka, Kopherald (Unless this is an alt of Kop?)
Working theory?
Everyone is either a TPR, a VT, a Goon or a Serial Killer. Trust me.
VOTE: Creature
No posts yet. Must've rolled Scum. If this gets prodded/replaced it's 99.99% it IS a Scum role.
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Oh! My bad. This one goes to the people I know category.
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Creature's meta is well known to the whole site (and I suspect other sites too). The guy just hates to play Scum and he either lurks it out until lynched/replaced or posts nonsense on intervals and still gets lynched.In post 36, Taly wrote:Do you have any games on him? Is he consistent?
As Town though, Creature is sensible and has some depth. Some would even argue he has damn good reads as Town too.
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Would lynch either of Creature/doomfeathers right now. The associative tells are unbearably obvious there.
Probabilities:
Both Scum: 40%
Creature Scum and doom VI: 35%
doom Scum and Creature having a day off: 20%
Both Town and playing really bad: 5%
doom is more or less a noob. He also has something on me (because in the game he linked I was his scum p and I went on to win that game despite him having been lynched on D1, so he could be paranoid). However, I don't see why he jumped to defend Creature before even Creature had posted, given that my meta argument was accurate and supported by many others (doom may not know Creature's meta himself, but when several players back the argument up it must be true).
Creature is OMGUSy by nature, He hate to be wagoned as either alignment and could very well SR his voters, I admit. However, his entrance was HORRIBLE. The "Town?" comment on an opening post by doom was silly enough to earn Creature a SR on it's own, even if he had to retract it soon after. Creature is GOOD as Town, and would not have commented on that post AT ALL if he was Town here. The bad play/nonesense still points to Scum!Creature, especially since that comment came while he was catching up, thus should have yet seen what I said about him (i.e. no way he OMGUS SR'd me as Town!him would still)
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Defending each other.
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Pretty sure it wasn't or someone else would've called me out for it.In post 115, Creature wrote:Pretty sure post 26 was scummy regardless of who you voted first.
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Never suggest he's town off that post, and never even comment on it. You're posturing (or more precisely impersonating someone you're not, namely Mastina).In post 116, Creature wrote:
So you think town!me would straight out townread doom or would never suggest doom as town?In post 113, Almost50 wrote:Creature is GOOD as Town
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Of course not. I was just voting you for lols and giggles. Einstein!In post 125, Creature wrote:
Someone's seeing A50 seriously SR me before this huge post?In post 113, Almost50 wrote:i.e. no way he OMGUS SR'd me as Town!him would still
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Right! So Taly's Scum if Creature's Scum, No doubt about it.
1- You asked if I had played with him. You didn't ask for links.
2- You did your own work and came to a conclusion that defies the established meta EVERYONE ON MS KNOWS about Creature.
3- You're shading Lalendra for voting Creature based on HIS LACK OF ACTIVITY with a "Creature wasn't even in the thread at the time of you stating this"?? Well if he had we wouldn't be voting him in the first place.
4- Your "Almost50 ~~ As he's throwing a big associative tell against Doomfeathers, but is still tunneling Creature" is also sillier than silly, because I'm associating doom to Creature himself. Why should I go after the "branch" when I'm firmly grasping to the root itself.
5-a- doom IS a noob, bu you're not reading,. (Skimming is a scumtell, btw. Weak, but a tell). doom himself says he hasn't played for a long time and has linked the last game he played here. Go check how long it was since then, and note that it was a Newbie game.
5-b- OPr you could've just clicked his profile to see he has 695 posts overall, and 14 of those were made in THIS game (plus at least one in the signup thread). and 66 in the game he linked (in which he was lynched on DAY ONE), and you would have deduced he couldn't have played more than 3-4 games at best (unless he gets lynched on D1 EVERYTIME!)
6- Where did I ever theorize anything? You're throwing words you don't even understand the meaning of. I didn't setup spec, nor did I talk about the best course to play. THAT is theory. I'm making a case on someone based on his WELL ESTABLISHED meta, and trying to guess who might be scum with him based on their play IN-THREAD.
ALSO, I SAID CREATURE WOULD COME UP WITH SOME JUNK IF HE EVER POSTED AND THE NEXT THING HE DOES IS QUESTION IF I HAD A SR ON HIM WHILE IN FACT I WAS AND STILL AM IN HIS WAGON FROM EVEN BEFORE HE POSTED.
Your attempt to switch attention to doom now makes me thin doom IS being a bad townie here. You're going down next after Creature flips red.
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Not Creature's, and not this way. If he was ever going to manipulate his meta, he would have BEEN ACTIVE as scum. Why would Town!Creature ever try to look Scummy in purpose???In post 129, profii wrote:I'd suggest that meta is one of the things you shouldnt apply that logic to as it is highly prone to manipulation.
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What if I told you I was Masons with Kopherald (figuratively, of course), would you take my word for it?In post 180, Aneninen wrote:Too little effort I've taken, I know.
But right now I think any of these players could be scum: Almost50, Shadpearl, Lalendra, Doomfeathers, Texcat, Kopherald, Creature.
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NVM. I was just trying to help.
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Why would he even need to read the first page when I said FIGURATIVELY, OF COURSE. Even if someone hadn't read the setup they would have still got the meaning of my post, which is: I am Town and I believe FIRMLY that your slot is too.In post 189, Kopherald wrote:Actually, what was the point of a painfully obvious fake claim?
It's so obvious that anyone should have said "No, I wouldn't believe that, because I can read." (Pigeonman, please read the first post of this game.)
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Mayday. Mayday.In post 208, Creature wrote:Based on my re-review, I'm actually losing townreads.
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SE doesn't mean shot. All you have to do is complete 2 games and you're SE. How many games did you play outside the Road to Rome though?In post 242, doomfeathers wrote:I was playing as SE
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OK, Creature can be Town for now, which means I TR the entire wagon on TGP, but I'm not sure he is scum.
I'm fairly confident on doom being Scum though so..
VOTE: doomfeathers
In fact, if I could turn today into me vs doom gladiator thing I would.
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No. He would have replaced out already of he was the lone scumster. I give you my guarantee.In post 259, Aneninen wrote:Creature, are you the SK?
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Now how on earth would you lynch 2 players on the same day??In post 262, Aneninen wrote:
Bad idea. I'd lynch both of you.In post 260, Almost50 wrote:In fact, if I could turn today into me vs doom gladiator thing I would.
Also, has Creature ever had an SK game?
Also, I don't know and I don't care. My comment was based on my understanding of Creature's hate for Scum roles. The only thing that "could" motivate him to play would be his scum partners, and the SK has no partners so Creature is very very likely to just leave the game if he rolled SK.
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Did I bloody say he was Town? I said I'mIn post 269, Taly wrote:What gives you the impression ofTheGoldenParadoxbeing town? I'm not seeing it.not surehe's Scum. "not sure" =/= "is not"
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Regardless of alignment, nobody really wants to get lynched (this an open setup and we are guaranteed there are no Jesters, no Vengeful Townies .. etc.), so it follows when somebody (me) says they want to be pitted against C it means they are 100% X is scum.In post 274, Taly wrote:why would you want to narrow a D1 wagon and/or lynch with yourself as a candidate?
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In post 276, Taly wrote:
Yeah... I don't buy thisIn post 275, Almost50 wrote:
Regardless of alignment, nobody really wants to get lynched (this an open setup and we are guaranteed there are no Jesters, no Vengeful Townies .. etc.), so it follows when somebody (me) says they want to be pitted against C it means they are 100% X is scum.In post 274, Taly wrote:why would you want to narrow a D1 wagon and/or lynch with yourself as a candidate?.at all
Even if you wanted to; you wouldn't have enough money.
1)How, as Town, would you have 100% certainty of someone's alignment? That tunnel-vision is much more dangerous than you think.
Maybe I'm that bad, or maybe I'm thatgood!
2)Nobody should willingly be lynched; but what's the purpose of stating that here? Are you looking to be a martyr for your case againstDoomfeathers?
The point is to assert I amtoo damn certainof it.
If you're truly town and doing this, don't.
You're not in a position to tell what I do/don't. You're not my WIFE!
Because you can't be this certain without more information that isn't generated in D1. (Because no flips,
therefore, minimal analysis and theories on someone's alignment.)
There's this thing we refer to asperception. Some have it and some don't.
This is why dichotomies, mostly early-game, usually serve to divide the playerlist later in the game and makes scumhunting difficult.
Listen. I've given you what I've got. Either lynch doom, lynch me, or do your own thing.
3)Your case onDoomfeathersis understated. I cannot "follow you" if I don't know why you're pushing someone.I didn't ask you to follow me. I asked that you look at us both and place a vote on the one you feel os scummier than the other.
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I feel like this is Scum!doom that I was partnered with before.In post 287, profii wrote:hang on, can Almost summarise his case on Doom right now, initially in 113 he said it was based on clear associatives between doom/creature, however in 260 he says creature can be town for now.
I'm a bit lost, so if Almost50 could just go over why Creature is now town and why his doom case still stands, it would help me greatly.
Creature did a few things I'm not familiar of him doing as Scum (no need to elaborate here).
In short, I did a reread of the game and came up with a revamped read list (that I would still consider it anti-town to share in full), and doom happens to be the strongest SR on it.
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Rather than?? It's COMPARED TO. What he's doing in here is what he did in that game.In post 290, Kopherald wrote:So in reality, you're just basing your read of a previous game where you were both scum,rather thanwhat he's doing in this game?
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Mate, he was lynched on DAY ONE! You can go read the game itself if you like, but the Scum PT wouldn't give you much if anything!In post 299, profii wrote:Is the scum PT available to reference some examples from? I hate vague meta reads, no offence but I’m happy to listen to you if you can beef it up a bit
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I mean, he linked that game in his 2nd or 3rd post in this thread.
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I mean, I was HIS SCUM BUDDY, so I was paying attention to every little thing he said. I wanted to tutor him some if I could. After all, it was Newbie game.In post 308, profii wrote:So you’re saying we should lynch doom on your day 1 only meta read?
Listen, why don't you just drop it for now. The more you defend him the harder it is to lynch him later and the more "misconception" of him being Town in your subconscious is solidified, which will be bad for us down the road EVEN if I flip soon. What you're doing -inadvertently- is discrediting my read and thus my credibility even after I flip, and you are planting the idea that there's no case against doom in the minds of the masses.
Ask yourself this: Do you know me at all? No. Do you know how good/bad my reads are on D1? No, you don't.
So, do you want to sheep me? Absolutely not. But do you really want to discredit me and dismantle my opinion all the way?? I think not.
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@Sando: Your vote is already on me, so I owe you no explanations. I was responding to someone who IS trying to understand. and ALSO happens to have "some" previous experience with my play. Your intervention in not at all welcome.
Also, for some odd reason I thought Gamma Emerald was a player in this game. I really should pay much more attention to the player list.
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@profii: I concede to the fact I can't phrase my thoughts about doom into words. When I said iffeelslike his scum game I really meant it. It's "something" deep inside of me that is crying "this is how it felt when he was scum with you". I didn't even remember the details of that game until he kindly offered me the link, and I wanted to TR him just for that (reminding me of the one and only game we played together, in which -incidentally- we were scum partners), but I just couldn't and that inner voice keep crying he's scum here still.
@doom: Just because I appear online doesn't mean I'm going to post. Posting requires reading, and if I've been posting elsewhere it means I've had to read some stuff posted "elsewhere" too. That and the fact I am logged on as long as my PC is on (which is more or less as long as I'm awake, regardless of whether I'm even doing anything on the PC). I could've turned that off if I wanted to, but I don't. I'm not going to hide my online status just to get that poor argument off my back. "He's on and he's not posting". Ask anyone who played Scum me if I would be as passive when I play scum. In fact here's a reason for me to scum read you: Applying a FALSE meta argument to me when you damn well know this is not how I played scum when I was SCUM WITH YOU.
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In fact, here's an idea: Why don't you all try to go find me posts of the past few days, and figure out why I was putting this game on the back burner. Just do it "in secrecy" and DO NOT talk about it when/after you do.
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@doom: Here's a direct question.. IN YOUR OWN EXPERIENCE, do you find this to be anywhere near my scum game? Yes or No.
And another question, if you would be so kind: Can you go find a Scum game of mine where I wasn't loud enough? ANY game will do, regardless of what type of Scum, who my partners were .. etc. Find one and link us to it. Thank you.
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I don't know. I don't have one, I guess. I mean, I wouldn't mind lynching half of the player list as I don't have reads on them, but to say I'm confident in one slot -other than doom- to flip scum would be a lie.
Maybe I should reread the whole thread when I wake up.
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Alrighty then..
@KOP: I'm sorry to disappoint you, but this needs to be done
I hereby declare I'm NOT going to reread the thread today. I will be as stubborn as I humanly can.
@profii: If you would be so kind to vote me I will hammer myself. Thank you.
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On fact, I'll also add being survivalist and opportunistic to the list of my charges:
VOTE: TGP
He could be scum for [redacted]
P-edit: I was just about to. Now watch the crowds go nuts about it.
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OK, let me try again with a fresh mind, and "maybe" I will be able to get my suspicions better phrased this time.
The bolded is alarming to me. Why? Because it suggests doom had to analyze me before and he was poor at it. This is obviously negated by the fact the only game we played together before he was my scum p, so he sure as hell didn't have to analyze me at all.In post 3, doomfeathers wrote:Ooh, game on.
VOTE: Almost50, who I played last time I played on this site.Maybe I can analyze him less poorlyor something.
I've played with havingfitz at least twice, but even less recently. Creature too, but I don't remember his style much.
TheGoldenParadox, to which paradox does your username refer?
The last line is an uneeded attachment to the post and tells us nothing. Some may brush it off as pure noise at the start of the game, but with a post that already has some content it is clear doom wasn't at a loss of words as to how to enter the game, so why did he feel the need to attach that to the bottom of his post?
My interpretation is this is a link. The question is whether it's natural (i.e. doom being a noob!Scum and unintentionally linking to his scum p) or was it intentionally manufactured (i.e. doom is trying to implicate TGP to himself when he flips).
As I'm supposed to start "fresh" though I will just say doom's post didn't feel right in 2 different spots and note the possibility of a link between him and TGP and move on.
This is another post that doesn't sit right with me. Only two players had posted after doom's 1st post and it was only 29 minutes after that when he posted this.In post 6, doomfeathers wrote:Wot, no votes? We've got to start some dialogue so we can find scum. Votes start wagons, wagons start discussions, and discussions breed reactions. That's just how things work.
Again, people may think I'm crazy as the guy is clearly pushing for the game to move on, but I say the game could not have been set in motion with only 3 players having posted, and it's not unseen on MS that some players do not vote in their very first post.
About the 2 posts between doom's posts: TGP's post says absolutely nothing, while Jay actually says something.
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Nothing until post #11. Taly obviously can't be scum WITH doom here. (Note: I said WITH. They could be both Town, one Town and one Scum, or even both Scum but one is the SK at this point)
1- If you wanted the game to move on you should be happy and content someone voted someone. It is RVS still, so nobody takes the stated reasoning seriously.. but doom does!!In post 16, doomfeathers wrote:What do you mean by that? He hasn't posted anything relevant yet, I suppose, though that's true of several people. Does he tend to post quickly D1 as scum?
2- doom jumps to defend an accusation on TGP that isn't even there yet. Why did he feel the need to point out TGP hasn't posted anything relevant yet (when he had wanted people to vote before other people posted AT ALL)??
Natural link semi-confirmed.
Further overreaction over practically NOTHING AT ALL. Notice that doom is focused on arguin against a single post on a precise player on page bloody one. he didn't as much as even comment on any other vote.In post 18, doomfeathers wrote:
...That's not what a paradox is. Or am I missing something you're saying? Paradox's post didn't look that scummy to me; do you know something about his playstyle that I don't?In post 17, profii wrote:it's a paradox, I am voting paradox. I'm hilarious.
At least I can safely say Profii isn't scum WITH doom either.
And now we have THIS. This feels forced and totally unnatural. There is/was absolutely nothing for Lalendra ro feel "good" about doom in his posts. On the contrary, I have shown how the are being suspicious as they are focused on one slot and one slot only.In post 19, Lalendra wrote:Good feelings about doomfeathers; it seems like he is being proactive town by getting things going, asking probing questions and trying to get us out of RVS as quickly as possible.
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Now there's some motion in the game and Lalendra/texcat/Jay are involved, but doom doesn't even comment on it in his next post 29, as he is more focused on "forging" a preliminary read list (forged is proven by the fact he himself acknowledged in the next post) as well as trying to find a way to mention TGP and compare him to Anen to justify why he's voting Anen over TGP, and I ask again: Did anybody even comment on doom's vote on Anen or ask him why he didn't vote TGP??? Why does doom feel the need to tell us why his vote on Anen is a better option than TGP??
"Trying to look town" is right, because he is not.
So what was all the fuss about prifii's vote on TGP again??
Weren't you arguing that wagons are built to produce content and lead to information? How are FOUR wagons not enough that you had to find a fifth target to vote? Doesn't splitting the votes on too many wagons totally go against "building" wagons??
That was all fine until that last sentence. Are you saying you said all that WITHOUT examining Anen? Or are you saying you're a physician??
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So doom randomly votes fitz, finds some BS reasoning for it, and then discovers HE was the one doing all the skimming he didn't see fitz was on V/LA, and decides to vote me.
His reasoning is I wasn't posting and haven't FoS'd anyone. But what about TGP, mate?? He doesn't post at all. Why is he not scummy??
And THIS, ladies and gentlemen, was TGP's SECOND post in the game. Who does he pick to vote??
And this was his 3rd. Whom does he defend? (Please note that he himself says there's scum in myself.creature/doom, but he himself is seesawing one of the 3 he himself suspects there to be one scum in them).
And this was his defence.
And this is his 5th post. He tried something scummy and it backfired som he's not enjoying the game.
The fact is he is waiting for his buddies to try and save him today w/o him further linking to them.
In [post]235 doom is defending Lalendra TWICE (against 2 different voters). I think it's doom/TGP/Lalendra for the Mafia team, which means the whole team is on my wagon.
Translation: I'll concede that TGP is scum and I'll say so here for distancing, but I'll keep my vote on A50 in an attempt to save TGL if only for this one day.In post 245, doomfeathers wrote:That is actually a fair point. If someone is being opportunistic, I think it's probably Paradox; he's been lurking, and not in a very townie way from what I've seen, whereas I have townreads on Sando and Shadpearl.
In 283 doom is again being too defensive of Lalendra.
I mean, seriously guys. Lynch doom and you will easily see TGP+Lalendra are his buddies.
Can somebody honestly tell me this isn't Scum!doom talking to his scum buddies, and ESPECIALLY SO in the second quote? I mean, he's practically begging TGP not to screw them up.In post 338, doomfeathers wrote:
Oh. Nuts.In post 227, Lalendra wrote:
How so? I played recently in a game where she was conftown and barely participated so I'm not seeing yet how this is AI for her.In post 179, Aneninen wrote:Texcat's play is different to her townplay.
Well, if you are town and want people to believe it, you might want to figure out how to enjoy it more. You look scummy when you don't care, and it does look like a weak scum excuse.In post 228, TheGoldenParadox wrote:
No, because I kinda hate this game right now.In post 213, JaydragonKing wrote:Because you immediately got caught as scum or...?
By the way, what is it about the game that you hate?
Now I have yet to spot the SK, but I know at least 4 slots that aren't it (apart from the 3 Mafia) so I'd say I have 6-8 suspects for that.
I'm ready to be lynched.
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He's doing it again! He agrees that the more informative lynch would be TGP's but he will still keep his vote on me because TGP "might" be apathetic townie.In post 395, doomfeathers wrote: ...Wow. You've thought this through. I'm glad I'm playing with you. I think I'll keep my vote on Almost50, though, simply because I still think there's a chance Paradox is an apathetic townie, whereas I'm pretty sure Almost50 is scum.
Tip: You COULD do a search on TGP and see how he plays as Town, couldn't you? COULDN'T YOU??
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i.e. "I won't be trying to meta search TGP because then I would have to say this is definitely not his Town meta"In post 398, doomfeathers wrote:Sure, I could search games. Or, I could finish reading this thread.
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Btw, here's something I remembered about that game.. check this purl=viewtopic.php?p=8511580#p8511580]post[/url] from post-game discussions. I will quote the part where I was talking to doom in particular:
"@doom:"
I offered you an early out off the Jammy wagon by stating intent to hammer. You should've just backed off. Instead, you response was too scummy to ignore or I would be practically acknowledging being on your team.
So it seems that he also was sticking with glue on a townie back in that game, that even I -his partner- couldn't convince him to hop off that wagon. Now we're getting somewhere.
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Seriously?? Ser-friggin'-iously??In post 408, doomfeathers wrote:
All righty, then. That's significant. If he is scum, though, why won't he respond? What's the most likely explanation for apparently completely abandoning a game?In post 368, Ausuka wrote:Paradox has signed up for multiple games while refusing to answer questions or play the game at all. No other lynch is acceptable for me today.
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OK.. so I had 116 posts, second only to Accountant (who was the game IC), and I was lurking? I had 116 posts out of a total of 728 posts in the thread, and that's including the mod's AND post-game post.. and I was lurking??In post 410, doomfeathers wrote:He seemed to be playing as I remembered him playing as scum, including lurking and posting extremely little of value.
And "posting extremely little of value" too? I mean, I was the lone scumster starting the end of D1.. in a NEWBIE GAME.. and I WON THE GAME.. by being a lurker and posting "extremely little of value"???
Man, you're PATHETIC!
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Seriously?? Ser-friggin'-iously??In post 408, doomfeathers wrote:
All righty, then. That's significant. If he is scum, though, why won't he respond? What's the most likely explanation for apparently completely abandoning a game?In post 368, Ausuka wrote:Paradox has signed up for multiple games while refusing to answer questions or play the game at all. No other lynch is acceptable for me today.
I've requoted my own post to make it easier for you. Now where was I commenting on my self-hammer issue?In post 410, doomfeathers wrote:Pedit @Almost50: Yeah. You don't seem the type to do something like that without a reason. What's your intention in promising to self-hammer? Are you trying to garner sympathy or show you don't care whether you die or something?
I CLEARLY made it obvious I was amazed NOTHING will get you to vote TGP.
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I'll forgive you because you're new to MS. Ask anyone who knows me about me "panicking" though. I may get emotional, angry, grumpy ..etc. But panicking is a program that just doesn't run on my platform. (Ask Jay, as he's the one who has seen the most of me of late.. also fitz has seen me more often recently).In post 414, Shadpearl wrote:It seems like you're panicking?
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Poor Gamma didn't even get to post in thread before fitz slayed him.In post 421, Kopherald wrote:I've seen it a few times where someone is highly scum read by a few, replace out and the replacement has to pick up the slack. I've seen one time, Fitz will back it up, I think there are a few from that game in this game, a scummy slot replaced out and the replacement came in and towned that slot up, it got killed by the SK and that slot flipped scum.
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I'll call you Sensei with a capital S of doom isn't scum here.In post 432, Creature wrote:I guess only TGP would be scum from that combination.
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I did, and it never took off. It was just you and me against the world (And neither of us is Scott Pilgrim I believe)In post 442, Aneninen wrote:Hey, Almost, why don't you vote for Doomfeathers?
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yes it is (this is from the one and only person who is utterly advanced in meta'ing me. I'm even better than Mathdino in that department)In post 442, Aneninen wrote:A question for those who're more advanced in meta-ing Almost50: is this style normal for town-Almost50? This is very important!!!!
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He replaced out.
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Alright then. I'm going to make anawfully badpiece of play here, becausemost of youare no more than baboon typists:
I'm one of the 3 Elemental Doctors. That's right (Good luck to the Backup Doctor. You have the rest of the day, then a night and a day to form your own TRs and decide on whom to protect).
Since there are only 3 Mafia and 1 Sk = 4 scum in total, thenat least3 morons are on my wagon when I was put to L-2 (and those morons have no business playing mafia anymore than they should be assigned a space shuttle maintenance duties.)
I know, I know... I'm bad and scummy and all.. you're all geniuses and I'm the one to blame, but here's a reminder to those who know me and those who just got introduced to me alike: And one last note:DO NOT BLOODY META ME... EVER! I DO NOT HAVE A BLOODY META THAT I ADHERE TO.
I will NOT provide a full read list, so do not expect one and don't ask for one. In a setup like this, providing a full read list is providing scum with a road plan on whom to kill.I still think doom is scum though, and TGP is also likely Scum, but feel free to do as you wish. I myself won't be voting outside if these two today though.
There is a reason I do not have enough SRs here, and that is I've been TOWN HUNTING. As a protective it is important for me to recognize TOWNIES and evaluate the chances of them being targeted for the NK so as to try and protect them. The Scum hunting I did mainly lead me to doom as the proper lynch and since we can't lynch more than one person per day I didn't need to look any further until I was made to.
Disclaimer: The outrage outlined above is directed at those who actually voted/FoS'd me and is limited to them.
Thank you and GOOD LUCK (you will need it).
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No. There was a time when we were both tied at 7 votes and I was waiting for someone to put me @L-1 to hammer myself and spit it in a few people's faces... y'know (Not yours though as you weren't voting me)In post 535, JaydragonKing wrote:Maybe he confused the time Paradox was at seven with his own six?
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@Jay: In fact, that post was an "edit" of my "last speech" post I had prepared which you can find inside the spoiler:
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I just rearranged some stuff and edited out some, and readjusted the numbers ..etc.
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I'm not going to go back and do a VCA for you. Do a manual VC from the start of the game until you get to that points yourself.. or don't. What do I care?
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How do you know I don't fancy fake claiming??In post 541, Sando wrote:You care because you're making a claim that is fundamentally false.
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I was here long before you were. You're just a copycat.In post 543, JaydragonKing wrote:That's my sthick, Almost. Swiper no swiping.
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Nah! That's my passive ability. I have no control over that. My active ability though is lying through my teeth as either alignment.In post 545, JaydragonKing wrote:Your power is getting shot night one time and time again. It's completely different. Ba boom.
For example; I could claim that YOU will be my target tonight, and that I will protect you from water kills.
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The bolded is true and is nothing new. I'm concerned about the rest of it though.In post 548, Shadpearl wrote:I think Almost50 is crazy, lol.Although, from the outside looking in, his posts are perfect because I can't make up my mind if he's terrible scum or the ballsiest townie I've ever seen
How am I terrible scum if you can't make up your mind about my alignment? And how am I a ballsy townie?
I also have just admitted I lie/fake claim a lot as either alignment. Doesn't that concern you even just a little? So you still believe my claim as Doctor? (Note: There are 3 of them, so I would/could not have been CC'd if I was faking).
@Jay: Take note of the underlined.
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You're missing the point, which is: If you want to fake claim as town you do it in a way that does not draw a CC. If you want to fake claim as scum you either do the same if your aim is to escape the lynch. Only if you are scum and actually want to draw a CC do you ever fake claim an existing role that is likely to CC. That was my tip to you.In post 556, JaydragonKing wrote:if they did I'd say they were very shitty PRs.
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I wish for the slots that replaced out to be modkilled. (This is what you get for playing @ MU)
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Considering I want to lynch them both it follows I totally expect them both to flip scum. It also keeps the D1 going so we can actually analyze most everyone based on these two flips. I don't see your problem unless you're saying you TR'd both slots, which is obviously not the case when you have been pushing for a TGP lynch all day. In fact, EVEN in the off chance one is Town I still will take a 1 for 1 trade avec plaisir and much more so when we still have a lynch to carry on today.In post 590, JaydragonKing wrote:
That seems HORRIBLE from a townie perspective, really, because that just means scum have to kill less people to win if they're town. And if they're scum, well obviously one less scum to deal with.In post 588, Almost50 wrote:I wish for the slots that replaced out to be modkilled. (This is what you get for playing @ MU)
Mind explaining this a little better?
@fitz: On MU they keep wishing for all kinds of things from a "true peek" on someone (that's MU lingo for an investigation result) to a fay vig shot, to.. ahem.. unmentionable stiff that aren't even game related
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That too. Asking to be replaced out is severely punishable. Talking about your flavour is severely punishable. Checking your nose is severely punishable. Being stupid isn't though.In post 591, Lalendra wrote:He's coming from another site where apparently that is the punishment for asking to replace out. Seems a little Machiavellian to me, and I agree it's anti-town.
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Not to my knowledge. I've just recently started playing on MU (and only as a troll I may add).In post 597, Aneninen wrote:So, you and Lalendra met on a different site before?
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Oh, the "that'[s what you get from playing @MU" was a reference to the "I wish for ..." in general. Like you would be playing a game and someone pops up with a "I wish it would rain today" or "I wish it was Sunday" ..etc. so that's what I meant by the MU reference. But the mods do warn against replace-out posts too.In post 602, Lalendra wrote:He has just mentioned playing on MU before and said that's what you get there for asking to replace.
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