Open 712: Elemental Large (Mafia win)

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Ooh, game on.

VOTE: Almost50, who I played last time I played on this site. Maybe I can analyze him less poorly or something.

I've played with havingfitz at least twice, but even less recently. Creature too, but I don't remember his style much.

TheGoldenParadox, to which paradox does your username refer?

Town?

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Wot, no votes? We've got to start some dialogue so we can find scum. Votes start wagons, wagons start discussions, and discussions breed reactions. That's just how things work.

Nvm.

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VOTE: Creature

Gutscum.

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Creature too, but I don't remember his style much.

LOL. You must not have played with Creature then.

VOTE: Aneninen who had me fooled last game

He did, but not even I remember which game.

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It was a large, and I was NKed N1. It was by far the highest compliment I've ever received in a Mafia game. But I didn't really have much time to get to know anyone.

Nah, it wasn't Large 297.

It was Open 658 and some Duck duck goose I suddenly forgot the number.

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texcat can be town?

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I'm not sure why town!doomfeathers thinks he has to introduce the concept of RVS to everyone on post 6.

lol

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I hope nobody was wasting their time on me while I couldn't post.

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Who do I know?
Almost50 (I think!), Aneninen (Scummy by nature), JaydragonKing (Always hard to read), Lalendra (I remember the name, but nothing about the play), havingfitz (My favourite guess for the SK), doomfeathers (Was I/you Town or Scum in that newbie game? Remind me who was also in it.), texcat (...), TheGoldenParadox (Fitting name), Creature (Unless he does something major within the next 48 hours; this is the D1 lynch by default)

Who do I NOT know?
Sando, Shadpearl, profii, blockcandy, Taly, Ausuka, Kopherald (Unless this is an alt of Kop?)

Working theory?
Everyone is either a TPR, a VT, a Goon or a Serial Killer. Trust me.

VOTE: Creature

No posts yet. Must've rolled Scum. If this gets prodded/replaced it's 99.99% it IS a Scum role.

Forced.

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I have to agree with A50 on Creature, if he's not engaged it's a bad sign.

I'd rather push (possibly even lynch) the players buzzing "oh if creature doesn't post he's scum"

[Creature]

People who are doing things (kudos to you guys):
Taly
Lalendra
Ausuka
Almost50

Out of these, so far only Ausuka did something.

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Interesting play points on Creature. He's been online since the game has started, but he hasn't posted anywhere else, either; it was quite early in the morning, so it's possible he hasn't yet checked his role PM. I'd rather wait to wagon him until he's posted or more time goes by.

Atleast you were rational here.

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Rest of page 2 is boring.

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Yeah it's been a whole day and he's been active elsewhere

My self-reminder to wagon this.

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(pretty sure I still am competent enough to make my first post as scum rather than avoid first-time posting)

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Ugh. I hate all four wagons.

Players who have caught my notice:

Ausuka: Flies under the radar, but when she posts, it's got content. Town lean. ✔

Almost50: Has been tunneling an inactive player, and lurking with semi-goofy posts like I've seen him do as scum--and he was scary good. Scum lean. ✔

Lalendra: Play looks a little simplistic

, but I'm not seeing scum motivations yet

. Null-

town

scum.

Kopherald: Whatever they are,

they're intimidating.

I'll give them a slight town lean for now. Does anyone know how the leocrotta to read hydras?

profii: Play is about consistent with his account age, and he and I came to the same approximate conclusions about Shadpearl independently. Town lean.

Sando: He's been pinging my gut something awful. I can't wait until he gets back so I can find out whether my gut is right this time. No read yet.

havingfitz: I've seen him play as scum, and [points finger at screen like The Joker]. He's V/LA, yes, but you can tell the difference by what he posts when he does post. He's dodging attention.

VOTE: havingfitz

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Damn, forgot to ✔ some.

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Ugh. I hate all four wagons.

You hate all four wagons, but you don't comment on Anienen (Pigeonman). Please explain.

-Brass

I don't think there's any good reason to wagon him;

he hasn't looked particularly scummy

that I remember, and his votes were just leftover RVS. I can examine him if you wish.

Scum considers this kind of comment on them as a satisfactory result.

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Almost50 wagon seems like a good idea, but for now I'll wagon the liar:

VOTE: Lalendra

[Creature]

Both Town and

playing really bad

???

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Pretty sure post 26 was scummy regardless of who you voted first.

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Creature is GOOD as Town

So you think town!me would straight out townread doom or would never suggest doom as town?

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Oh cool, I'm scum for thinking doom is town and doom is scum for thinking I'm town.

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We've caught two scum already, guys.

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I guess I checked the game once when it started, but I was in school so couldn't post.

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VOTE: Almost50

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i.e. no way he OMGUS SR'd me as Town!him would still

Someone's seeing A50 seriously SR me before this huge post?

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Spoiler: First post A50 seriously scumread me, because "he OMGUSed me"

Would lynch either of Creature/doomfeathers right now. The associative tells are unbearably obvious there.

Probabilities:

Both Scum: 40%
Creature Scum and doom VI: 35%
doom Scum and Creature having a day off: 20%
Both Town and playing really bad: 5%

doom is more or less a noob. He also has something on me (because in the game he linked I was his scum p and I went on to win that game despite him having been lynched on D1, so he could be paranoid). However, I don't see why he jumped to defend Creature before even Creature had posted, given that my meta argument was accurate and supported by many others (doom may not know Creature's meta himself, but when several players back the argument up it must be true).

Creature is OMGUSy by nature, He hate to be wagoned as either alignment and could very well SR his voters, I admit. However, his entrance was HORRIBLE. The "Town?" comment on an opening post by doom was silly enough to earn Creature a SR on it's own, even if he had to retract it soon after. Creature is GOOD as Town, and would not have commented on that post AT ALL if he was Town here. The bad play/nonesense still points to Scum!Creature, especially since that comment came while he was catching up, thus should have yet seen what I said about him (i.e. no way he OMGUS SR'd me as Town!him would still)

Spoiler: A50's posts that come before 113, no serious scumread on me found

Who do I know?
Almost50 (I think!), Aneninen (Scummy by nature), JaydragonKing (Always hard to read), Lalendra (I remember the name, but nothing about the play), havingfitz (My favourite guess for the SK), doomfeathers (Was I/you Town or Scum in that newbie game? Remind me who was also in it.), texcat (...), TheGoldenParadox (Fitting name), Creature (Unless he does something major within the next 48 hours; this is the D1 lynch by default)

Who do I NOT know?
Sando, Shadpearl, profii, blockcandy, Taly, Ausuka, Kopherald (Unless this is an alt of Kop?)

Working theory?
Everyone is either a TPR, a VT, a Goon or a Serial Killer. Trust me.

VOTE: Creature

No posts yet. Must've rolled Scum. If this gets prodded/replaced it's 99.99% it IS a Scum role.

Kopherald (hydra of kop and brassherald)

Oh! My bad. This one goes to the people I know category.

Do you have any games on him? Is he consistent?

Creature's meta is well known to the whole site (and I suspect other sites too). The guy just hates to play Scum and he either lurks it out until lynched/replaced or posts nonsense on intervals and still gets lynched.

As Town though, Creature is sensible and has some depth. Some would even argue he has damn good reads as Town too.

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OMGUS is never antitown if you actually think the scumread on you is scum-motivated.

[Creature]

(already showed why my scumread on A50 can't be OMGUS)

idk. Sometimes it restricts town from attacking someone they think is opportunistically hopping on them, so usually I think scum are more likely to use OMGUS to not be counterattacked than to attack whoever attack them.

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Also, I'm not over-OMGUSing.

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One of {Creature, doom, A50} is scum.

How did you reach that conclusion, detective?

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To prove the point of your first spoiler.... shouldn't the second spoiler be your comments before post 113 wrt your suspicions towards him?

The point was to show why me OMGUSing A50 was a lie.

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You say A50 is a stronger scumread than doom, and yet you're still voting doom?

FoS Taly

NAI

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VOTE: TheGoldenParadox

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You say A50 is a stronger scumread than doom, and yet you're still voting doom?

FoS Taly

NAI

VOTE: TheGoldenParadox

Hi Creature,

I'd just like some clarification here to make sure I get what you are saying with the first post, which then leads to the second.

Does the NAI refer to TGP's post, or to Taly's reads/vote? Because when I read the first by itself, it reads like you are referring to TGP's post.

-Brass

I responded NAI to "Taly voting doom over A50". My TGP vote is unrelated to this response.

[Creature]

I still don't get it, are you say it's NAI for Paradox is point the FOS or that it's NAI for Taly to vote Doom over A50?

The latter.

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I think the Creature wagon is a good investigative point for us.

Sounds like a lazy excuse.

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Oh sorry, I misunderstood. I thought you meant wagoning me is good because it's informative.

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Spoiler: Cool

Spoilers have changed

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I need some inspiration to play this game.

There are way too many scummy players.

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Where is JaydragonKing?

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There are way too many scummy players.

Maybe because only brass hydra and I are doing a decent number of posts.

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Based on my re-review, I'm actually losing townreads.

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The only thing that "could" motivate him to play would be his scum partners

which only Nachomamma succeeded to make me post even though I wasn't happily doing it.

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Read on Creature: You'll see several lurking players in pretty much every game. The difference between a scummy lurker and a townish lurker is content and helpfulness. It took me a while to figure that out.

Uh sure, that's a way to find whether I'm town lurker or scum lurker.

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I guess I'm gonna focus on finding townreads for now.

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Kopherald first obviously.

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Ausuka can be town (for now).

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doomfeathers likely town.

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Taly is just a "Don't lynch" rn.

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Oh right, Lalendra is town too.

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(I guess I'm townreading Lalendra just for being ml bait)

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I need some inspiration to play this game.

There are way too many scummy players.

i'm lurking here b/c i'm not enjoying this game at all and i'm quickly losing motivation to play.

Replace out?

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I'd support a wagon on Jaydragon.

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Ugh, Sando is awkward. I guess rn just awkward.

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Based on skim, I have a fairly confident townread on profii.

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@Creature. Do you like being indy?

What?

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Creature (4) - Sando, Almost50, Shadpearl, Lalendra

I guess Almost50's vote here sorta makes me townread him :/

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Shadpearl's readslist is bad.

Sometimes I think it's just town suddenly deciding to make a readslist and sometimes I think it's scum who took their time to plan a fake readslist.

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I can't do everything alone though.

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No, because hunting scum could potentially harm me.

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The number of lurkers is so high that scum strategy rn must be blending with them.

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Also, I hope davesaz isn't thinking about leaving havingfitz not post for 5 days.

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Yey texcat is town

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I'm hoping Taly will be sorted by itself.

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VOTE: havingfitz

Would policy lynch someone who gets away five days without being poked.

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Jaydragon still looks very lazy this game.

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I think it's doom/TGP/Lalendra for the Mafia team, which means the whole team is on my wagon.

lol

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I guess only TGP would be scum from that combination.

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Deciding to do something against my usual playstyle by being in the background and see how it works out, Creature. It worked out for you so many times, right?

Meh whatever

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Who do we kill, Jay?

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Ceiling.

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Are you scum type?

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Weavile?

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Yeah, you were.

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Isn't Jake Long a benign character though?

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VOTE: havingfitz

Would policy lynch someone who gets away five days without being poked.

He's VLA til the 13th though...

Still I personally wouldn't let a player go straight 5 days without posting even if they're on some sort of long V/LA.

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Meh

It was funny roleplaying.

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TGP's replace out is pretty much NAI, right?

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Let me see.

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Okay, I understand it.

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We need an alternative wagon.

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I'm happy not joining Jay wagon rn.

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Is JimmyLongName doing town stuff?

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UNVOTE:

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I'm not dodging, just skillfully ignoring. The way of Elsa is powerful.

To profii, I'm just a nice person in general, so I'm giving it a second chance. Besides, the first wagon isnt usually scum, from what I've heard from players I've played with. And someone will be more willing to actually replace into the slot if there's a chance of survival, so that's another one.

Does it bother you if I

VOTE: TheGoldenParadox

Just to fill the void you left there and keep the pressure on the slot?

Keep pressure on an empty slot?

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Didn't he replace out?

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Sorta bad to come in just to say my gut is starting to think Taly is scum.

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Sorta stressed havingfitz will go 7 days without posting content.

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Damn, Aneninen's gonna irritate me.

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VOTE: Sando

New wagon choo choo

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Also, yes, I at some point had TGP's replace out as town until I found out he was signing up to new games.

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Also irritates me how Jimmy's meta is post the least possible.

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Still I'd expect town!Jimmy to have posted more.

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Oh look, more OMGUS from Creature...colour me surprised.

Yeah, you're acting visibly strange this game.

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That's one of the worst posts I've ever seen from A50, but a claim is a claim and I think we'll sort that out in the coming days.

-_-

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Meh, gonna check Shadpearl.

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I still think Shadpearl just has a scummy playstyle.

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On re-review, profii still gets to be town.

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When did Almost50 ever hit 7 votes?

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Not rn interested in lynching doc claims.

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What happened?

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It should be.

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Flavor Leaf is caught scum?

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Do we keep leaving elemental doctors until we get four elemental doctor claims?

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(though, I think Flavor is likely gambitting)

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Pretty sure scum will keep claiming elemental doctor.

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or atleast the first one to be forced to claim.

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creature what's your read on A50 then
because he wasn't forced to claim at all

and yeah you're basically correct, optimal scum claiming strategy is to have one doc claim

also fuck me up i need help townhunting

I think A50 is town.

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Meh, I don't like hammering for some reason.

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havingfitz and Taly lurking the shit out lol.

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Are you particularly sure?

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I swear I remember writing your name. You're on town list. Congrats

That was way too easy.

How?

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I hope SK is willing to help us find mafia.

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Told ya SK had to kill scum.

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VOTE: Flavor Leaf

That's hammer. Why hold off the inevitable?

Scummy hammer.

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SK hunting rn is shitty and we should hope SK dies before we're left with only the SK.

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VOTE: Taly

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Kopherald, why should I townread you?

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VOTE: havingfitz

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We don't touch doc claims.

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SK will have to townside or its ass will be shot pretty soon.

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Shadpearl's likely town btw

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Aren't we doing so bad?

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I see I'm getting wagoned.... wtf?

You go into a long V/LA without being prodded at all, gets away two days and now acts surprised you're being wagoned?

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tbh I'm townreading Shadpearl because I don't think scum would've hammered yesterday.

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Oh right...

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We might be SK-dependent at this point, but whatever.

I guess we can try to pull a mighty comeback.

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I mean like SK at this point would want mafia dead before they find him/her.

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We might be SK-dependent at this point, but whatever.

Creature, you're not suggesting that we leave the SK alive in hopes that they kill mafia for us, are you?

Definitely not. If Shadpearl is SK he's likely useless now.

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So how did profii become wagoned over Shadpearl?

[Creature]

Okay, guessing there was some sort of counterclaim and profii is inconsistent.

[Creature]

Okay, profii can be confscum

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Atleast I wasn't terribly wrong on Shadpearl.

[Creature]

Should we just hammer profii and hope I die tonight or do we delay this day a little more even though the rest of scum know they won't get lynched today?

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VOTE: profii

L-2

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I'm sorta getting apathetic this game.

Hopefully SK gets burned, drowned and buried by mafia.

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Oh wait, I forgot JaydragonKing died N1 probably to SK.

Sorry SK, hopefully what I just said doesn't happen.

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Not feeling well.

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Sorta surprised there are only three mafia this setup.

[Creature]

So how can we solve this game?

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Thinking Ausuka is town anyway

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Scum and SK likely at havingfitz, Taly and Lil Uzi Vert.

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Scum and SK likely at havingfitz, Taly and Lil Uzi Vert.

excluding confscum Profii surely.

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Scum and SK likely at havingfitz, Taly and Lil Uzi Vert.

I'm not believing Taly or LUV for scum or Fitzy for SK. Profii flip now says a lot, I think LUV and Kopherald have largely fencesat, LUV more than Kopherald, and now Aus/Tex are throwing me off since unless Shad is SK they've definitely voted their buddy in a 1v1 at some point.

An SK looking at my plan from the outside was the only person who would look at possibilities instead of "this is scary", and that was Kopherald imo.

Still a better plan though.

havingfitz for last scum and LUV for likely SK?

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Heh whatever

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When it's 2:1:1 always lynch town

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Love the 1:1:1 dilemma.

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N6
A50 protects texcat from Earth

???