Open 712: Elemental Large (Mafia win)

[JaydragonKing]

Alrighty, which one of us wants to be the one to make an Avatar reference first?

[JaydragonKing]

VOTE: Texcat
Conftown last game means obvscum this game.

I currently have no plan in the slightest, so I choose too follow the cute anime girl from the East coast. Who's with me?

[JaydragonKing]

Well with a response like that your not really giving me a reason to NOT follow the pretty anime girl.

Guess I'll get myself comfortable with this vote then.

[JaydragonKing]

Oh, I just realized I legit didn't even vote yet. My bad.

VOTE: Texcat

Elsa Jay at your service, by the way.

[JaydragonKing]

Hey, I brought up the urge for someone to make an Avatar reference. You can atleast credit me for that.

[JaydragonKing]

Okay then.
One of {Creature, doom, A50} is scum. If A50 is town, the other two are probably scum. If A50 is scum, the other two are probably town.
VOTE: Almost50

That's some huge ass shotgun logic there, Paradox.

[JaydragonKing]

I said I'd do a readslist, so here are my thoughts.

Taly's D1 Page 6 Readslist

Spoiler: Town

Ausuka (Moderate Town)

- I like that they took issue with

Profii's

post on

Shadpearl

in Page 3. 74 They're filtering information and have had consistent reads.

Anenien (Town-Lean)

- He's currently pushed his scum read on

Doomfeathers

, after explaining that his motivations were in the intent to gain information. I think his posts are town-motivated. 35

JaydragonKing (Town-Lean)

- Originally, I thought he wasn't helpful, but his post about

TheGoldenParadox's

quickvote on the

Almost50

wagon AND associatives made me happy, especially since

GoldenParadox's

jump was right after my post on questioning

Almost50

and

Doomfeathers

scum. He seems to catch things a bit quickly.

Creature (Gut Town)

- I haven't seen enough to be very confident; but I don't think the quick, poorly-explained wagon on him was town-motivated. I'd see scum taking the opportunity to push him closer to a lynch. I want to see flips before I look more thoroughly at him.

havingfitz (Potential Town)

- VLA, understandably, so they haven't posted much. Yet, they've asked questions, and I haven't felt weird about reading their posts so far. 84 and 144

Kopherald (Potential Town)

- I'm uncertain here, but I feel that he's sorting the game out. I want to know more about his

doomfeathers

read.

Spoiler: Null

texcat (Pure Null)

- Nothing inherently scummy or towny. Still waiting on a reply from them.

blockcandy (Pure Null)

- Lurker or inactive.

Shadpearl (Gut Null)

- I wanted to say this guy is town because he wasn't guarded in his original post, but his vote in agreement of

TheGoldenParadox

could've easily been survivalistic.

proffi (Gut Null)

- Since his vote and read on

doomfeathers

, he hasn't responded or pushed much for his reasons. Can't get an accurate read yet.

Spoiler: Scum

Lalendra (Potential Scum)

- Voteparking on a wagon without someone present. Early townread on

Doomfeathers

who I scumread. 19 Little to no push or active scumhunting.

TheGoldenParadox (Potential Scum)

- Quick vote and associative tell once

Almost50's

wagon gained momentum... after I line-by-lined him and voted

Doomfeathers

. 128 and 135 This was his second post in the game. 139 So I don't know how he came to that conclusion.

Saldon (Potential Scum)

- On the

Creature

wagon. Was not voted by

Doomfeather

s for the same reason

Doomfeathers

voted

havingfitz

. Switched on

Almost50

wagon after I discredited the

Creature

wagon. May have solid reasoning, so this is not a confident read.

Doomfeathers (Scum)

- Overcautious posts Inconsistent reasons of voting, quick votes on wagons. Explains when it isn't necessary. Scumread but not voted on by other scumread.
My ISO on him elaborates on all of this.

Almost50 (Scum)

- Tunnels

Creature

for out-game reasons. Little explanaton of push, and falsely accuses me when my view doesn't align with his. AtE at some points. Has not done anything other than a PL on

Creature

. Misrepped me once. Associates

Doomfeathers

and

Creature

... but then associated me with

Creature

the moment he gets any pushback.
My scumread on him was reinforced in his 130

I have 5 scumreads, at least 1 of them are town. So I'll reevaluate some of these reads later.

I want to see more

Doomfeathers

and other players, but currently, I am comfortable with my vote.

You say A50 is a stronger scumread than doom, and yet you're still voting doom?

FoS Taly

That's actually more common then you'd think, Paradox. And while not completely a town trait, it's prioritizing the fact that certain people have to go first. For example, Doom's actions are Null to me, but since I'm more forgiving of flavor and fluff(I do it too), I understand I'm usually wrong on that slot.

But it's not like I'm townreading him either, so I'd have vote him... If you haven't been using weird logic like "hang Almost too get three alignments for the price of one" despite only having like 6 pages of content and trying to go for Taly for stupid ass reasons.

VOTE: Paradox

[JaydragonKing]

Where is JaydragonKing?

I have been summoned.

[JaydragonKing]

Because you immediately got caught as scum or...?

[JaydragonKing]

... I legit thought there was supposed to be 20 of us instead of 16.

[JaydragonKing]

I just find it weird that you specifically asked for Serial Killer instead of just Scum. Almost like you only have to find the Serial Killer since he's against you, but not the Mafia.

Word games are fun.

[JaydragonKing]

Disappeared for nearly two days. And only two people bothered to talk about me. One of them just saying he was okay with my Lynch for no reason, and the other actually having a reason. Hmm. I wonder which one I townread from that.

[JaydragonKing]

Deciding to do something against my usual playstyle by being in the background and see how it works out, Creature. It worked out for you so many times, right?

[JaydragonKing]

So rude. But probably true.

Let's keep up the good work, guys!

[JaydragonKing]

UNVOTE:

I'm just going to unvote so the replacement atleast has a chance to defend themselves or give us a more town vibe. Gonna reread the case against Almost, see if I like it.

[JaydragonKing]

Don't forget the floor. That's kinda important.

[JaydragonKing]

Because she's an electric flying type and I'm an Ice type.

[JaydragonKing]

Maybe in my final evolution? But probably not. And Scum type seems more like Dark type, since Dark is literally "evil type" in Japanese.

There's no way there's a famous Ice-Dark type Pokemon. Clearly not possible.

[JaydragonKing]

Shit. I've been discovered!

[JaydragonKing]

Dragons are also considered evil in Western culture though, Creature. And your an American Dragon.

[JaydragonKing]

Isn't Jake Long a benign character though?

He was willing to fuck up the timeline to get laid. Clearly evil.

[JaydragonKing]

I see in a lot of rules that they usually have to post once every 72 hours in such a case if they're on V/LA. And they can't do it for like 10-12 days or they might as well replace out.

(P.S: I have Dragon in my name for a reason, Brass.)

[JaydragonKing]

TGP's replace out is pretty much NAI, right?

Your not reading the frustration or the apology he made as alignment indicative?

[JaydragonKing]

I'm not dodging, just skillfully ignoring. The way of Elsa is powerful.

To profii, I'm just a nice person in general, so I'm giving it a second chance. Besides, the first wagon isnt usually scum, from what I've heard from players I've played with. And someone will be more willing to actually replace into the slot if there's a chance of survival, so that's another one.

[JaydragonKing]

He is indeed in the process of being replaced.

In other news, NEW SMASH GAME MUTHAFUCKAS!

--- Post Edit ---

Por que?

[JaydragonKing]

Would you rather nobody replace into a slot at L-1 that we'll have to either let Dave Modkill or use today to get rid of it? Because just leaving it the way it is without having it be suffocating will help out the town. And whoever DOES replace in can be useful even if they are scum, since they could give associations.

[JaydragonKing]

And my vote will stay on him,

skillfully

.

That is your artistic liberty, actually. We are all wrong atleast once in our lives.

[JaydragonKing]

Maybe he confused the time Paradox was at seven with his own six?

[JaydragonKing]

VOTE: Almost

Spit on me anyway.

[JaydragonKing]

That's my sthick, Almost. Swiper no swiping.

[JaydragonKing]

Your power is getting shot night one time and time again. It's completely different. Ba boom.

[JaydragonKing]

Umm... Thank you?

[JaydragonKing]

Please don't tell me we have multiple cursed slots...

I want us all to actually enjoy the game!

[JaydragonKing]

if they did I'd say they were very shitty PRs.

[JaydragonKing]

if we keep this up we'll have five of them.

[JaydragonKing]

Jumped the gun there, Anen. Voting me for the joke vote on Almost seems like the weirdest reason to vote me.

[JaydragonKing]

I wish for the slots that replaced out to be modkilled. (This is what you get for playing @ MU)

That seems HORRIBLE from a townie perspective, really, because that just means scum have to kill less people to win if they're town. And if they're scum, well obviously one less scum to deal with.

Mind explaining this a little better?

[JaydragonKing]

And about the Doctor bit... I guess it doesn't concern me too much. No one has corrected you. So either you really are a Doctor and you should get sniped in the next few rounds (huge warning bells if you don't), or you're still terrible scum and

you got (debatably) lucky that the real Doctor role didn't call you on it

(thereby painting a target immediately on HIS back and a rope around your neck). Either way, you're dead in a few rounds so why bother? I don't exactly believe you're innocent, but I don't have a compelling reason to try to Lynch you anymore. So... Half-win? x)

Remember that there are three Doctors and a Backup Doctor. Doctors should probably never CC unless there are like four doctor claims already. THEN is probably a good time to CC since you know one of them is lying.

Oh, PS I guess: Backup doctor, just act as a regular doctor and claim regular doctor, okay? Just trust me on that.

[JaydragonKing]

@Mod

- if/when the backup doc becomes a doc, and if/when said backup doc dies, will their flip indicate that they were the backup who became the doc or will it just say doc?

I don't know if it really matters? You'll know that at least one of the four doctors was the backup if they die later, so honestly showing the backup on the flip isnt that important.

But from what I saw before the Backup gets it like

Flavor Cop (previously backup)

on the card at the end.

[JaydragonKing]

Just goes to show how much we want to correct people when they screw up.

P.S: we got 3 1\2 days left and for some reason I feel like i have a chance of being flash wagoned with two votes already on me. So let's pick up the pace a bit, K?

[JaydragonKing]

My vote (and everyone elsa's) on Almost is Ludacris at this point so let's take care of that. A peaceful reminder mine was a joke vote as well that Taly decided to vote me for.

UNVOTE:

Any reason for Paradox's slot over Doom's, Tex? And am I missing something or was there another replacement request?

Let's get chatting people!

[JaydragonKing]

Damn shortage of people not wanting to replace in. So sad.

Almost, what do you wanna do to help? Or you gonna just chill?

[JaydragonKing]

Alright then. Paradox was gone for longer and his exit was super shitty, so I can definitely interpret it as scum. I'm up for any other options suggested though.

VOTE: Paradox slot

Seriously guys, there are sixteen slots here. Atleast half of us should be talking.

[JaydragonKing]

... Oh fuck. Oh double fuck.

Damnit Almost you summoned Dino here somehow by speaking his name I just know it.

[JaydragonKing]

And Dino Instantly goes and digs me into a massive hole. I feel like that was a garuntee when I saw his name. Well time to actually try now, since my current "do little to not get Policy Lynched" strategy is off the table.

Still will need more people here btw. This is getting close to the homestretch of day one. More input is always nice.

--- P-edit ---

... "Likely one of the doctors"... And you don't know because???

I'm much different then our last encounter together so I know this is shitty and I am not getting fooled twice, Leaf.

--- P-edit ---

God damnit.

Two, count em, TWO doctor claims day fucking one.

[JaydragonKing]

Maybe he confused the time Paradox was at seven with his own six?

No. There was a time when we were both tied at 7 votes and I was waiting for someone to put me @L-1 to hammer myself and spit it in a few people's faces... y'know (Not yours though as you weren't voting me)

A cheeky response to this.

[JaydragonKing]

@Tracker - don’t claim, obvi, target me tonight. I guarantee you will see me target somewhere.

This confirms me as town, and if I don’t go anywhere, it confirms me as scum. Also, this adds the chance that I can die in the night thus getting rid of the problem all together.

If your so sure your getting killed tonight, then why ask the Tracker to waste their time on you? That just means they should be tracking someone else.

[JaydragonKing]

Oh yeah, true.

I mean, I’m town, so...haha.

I think we should just let me by a day or two

I've been told many times your the apitamy of "bold as hell scum", and how very few are like you in that regard. I may be one of those few, but irregardless...

Notice nobody here's unvoting you despite you claiming doctor. That's very telling.

[JaydragonKing]

"Now remember kids, that Jay character is a suspicious individual. Always watch his movements closely, alright?"
"Great job kids, now excuse me while I ride the Flavor train for town credibility unnoticed."

"Just gonna casually self-vote myself. It's TOTALLY beneficial as town i swear!"
"Oh yeah all those people who played with me before? Probably wrong."

"Jay is conf!town because he TOTALLY lead the TGP push without twitching. Ignore he did jackshit for like five days and shitposted continuously."
"DO NOT BLOODY META ME... EVER! I DO NOT HAVE A BLOODY META THAT I ADHERE TO."

"Yeah I got three posts to my name and have barely contributed. Problem?"

Current highlighted players of interest.

[JaydragonKing]

@Tracker - don’t claim, obvi, target me tonight. I guarantee you will see me target somewhere.

This confirms me as town, and if I don’t go anywhere, it confirms me as scum. Also, this adds the chance that I can die in the night thus getting rid of the problem all together.

Except you can target the one you're going to kill, then the Tracker will have to out to expose you, then you claim you protected the target from X and they could have still died of Y or Z.

We have 3 ways to kill the target

and the Doctor has to choose to protect from just one.

tl;dr: "I'm dead anyway, so let me live for one more night so that can both perform a kill and out the Tracker w/o the other 2 goons being at risk at all.

Nice try though.

am I reading that wrong or is that a language slip?

Earth, Fire, and Water. Three ways to kill. Nothing wrong with that.

[JaydragonKing]

So i actually have really good reads typically when I replace in, so i’ll leave the ones that stood out to me the most here for future reference.

Scum:

Almost50
Mathdino
Texcat

I don’t believe that both Math and Dino are scum, however.

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Town:
Ausuka
Aneninen
Jaydragon
Profii
Creature

I’m generally strong with my town reads early game.

Just food for thought.

Elsa and Jay can't be scum together either, ya know. Completely different people.

[JaydragonKing]

I am an elemental doctor, though.

If you ARE somehow really a doctor, we don't blame you, but Paradox for being so shitty with the slot. Just to let ya know.

[JaydragonKing]

Jimmy decided to finally show up, Creature. Isn't that amazing?

[JaydragonKing]

He keeps saying he's the elemental doctor. He also said something about his death proving the backup doctor? I thought that implied he was claiming the backup doctor, but he keeps saying he was gonna visit people so that can't be it.

Guess we all might as well look for associations for him I guess. We got about two days.

[JaydragonKing]

Do we keep leaving elemental doctors until we get four elemental doctor claims?

That... Will hopefully not be a problems.

[JaydragonKing]

Oh, your vote could end the day right this second, by the way Creature. And I have no reason to unvote. Just saying.

[JaydragonKing]

I don't think many others that aren't just lurking have any objections to ending the day.

[JaydragonKing]

... yeah, fair warning too everyone, with how Jimmy here has been I'm not trusting him at ALL. Just getting that out there?

[JaydragonKing]

Do we get the flip at the start of the next day or when night starts?

... Please tell me your joking. Please tell me this isn't your first game on site somehow. Or if you got amnesia.