Mini Normal 1996: Floral Mafia [Endgame!]

[northsidegal]

VC 1.13

votes

implosion

(1): Mumble

Mumble

(4): Tchill13, implosion, Havo, Gamma Emerald

Ausuka

(3): katherine, Creature, MariaR

Cedrick

(1): brassherald

Luca Blight

(1): Ausuka

Havo

(2): Luca Blight, Killthestory

Tchill13

(1): Cedrick

Not Voting

(0):

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

The day 1 deadline is in

: (expired on 2018-03-22 19:42:59)

Mod Notes

: Searching for a replacement for brassherald

[Luca Blight]

I don't really get the Havo votes on page 25. On that page I can only see playstyle-related things.

Can you elaborate on this?

[katherine]

Sorry dead busy

will read / do stuff in the next couple days when I have time, weekend I am back at reasonable availability

[MariaR]

VOTE: Luca
Mumble=Policy lynch/Lynchbait don't do it I don't think scum Mumble types in the things they're doing as scum and go "oh this is fine"

[Luca Blight]

Are you planning on explaining any of your votes this game?

[MariaR]

I think your scum didn't before did a re read felt good voting you.
All done

[Luca Blight]

Luca's defense of me feels possibly white-knighty. He mentions me a few times, saying a number of things that make sense as reasons to mildly townread me, and then has me as his second-strongest townread and uses the wagon on me as a focal point to vote havo and also attack kts. Still only has me as a town lean and not as town so it might just be that his reads are weak overall?

The whole idea of generally decrying a wagon always seems weird and he is attacking specific people on it but it still feels like a line of reasoning that's really easy/convenient to fake as scum. Catch up on thread, see wagon that is clearly bad, talk loudly about that wagon and use it to pressure people who made unjustified votes. It's sort of an easy thing to talk about. But it's really strange that he goes after kts and havo and thinks mumble is town who doesn't give a fuck. I'd like to hear why he thinks that about mumble.

1. Yes, I don't have great strength in my townreads so far

2. I'm not one to normally 'decry' a wagon, but in this case it was not only bad, but pretty useless given the lack of reasoning given for each vote.

3. I don't really think Mumble is Town - he's null to me; I could see his posts coming from scum, but equally he could be town who doesn't give a f*ck - there is no way to tell other than guesswork at this stage.

4. I've been suspicious of KTS throughout, and my reasoning for suspecting Havo has been made clear already.

[Luca Blight]

I think your scum didn't before did a re read felt good voting you.
All done

What makes you think I'm scum?

[Tchill13]

and the kts thing is completely ignored... cool.

yeah i'll just be checking in to see if there's a wagon i can hammer for the rest of this day phase.

Scum are gonna want to keep mumble alive. Maybe if he gets in here and contribute it'll change my mind.

both katherine and mumble have said they will participate soon so im looking forward to it.

[MariaR]

I think your scum didn't before did a re read felt good voting you.
All done

What makes you think I'm scum?

I think most of your sorting doesn't feel real your asking questions but I see no answers
You're at point A but you can't reach point B your thought progression doesn't feel real

[Luca Blight]

Just meaningless clichés, unless you can provide examples of what you're talking about.

[MariaR]

You asked for my reason I gave it to you.

[MariaR]

I can also simply say I feel more confident on you since I tr a lot more of the playerlist

[Killthestory]

VOTE: Luca

[Luca Blight]

You asked for my reason I gave it to you.

But it feels like you're giving clichéd reasons with no actual thought behind them.

[MariaR]

I understand what you're saying I do. I can say "that's easy to give as scum"
I can go back and look at posts but it's just an overall feel I get from you it's nothing I can really pinpoint
your thoughts just don't really feel real

[Luca Blight]

I can tell timezones are going to be an issue this game...whenever I'm online no-one is here, and when I wake up I have at least 6-7 pages to catch-up on.

[Cedrick]

VOTE: mumble

[Gamma Emerald]

I beg your pardon?

I told you he’s scum. Nobody listened

Did I say I suspected him yet? I actually find his explanation satisfactory.

[Gamma Emerald]

Super sick today

I'll catch up in the morning.

oof sorry man
I'd like it if you could explain your reads but as it stands I have no reason to actually TR you other than value judgments (what I'm saying here is the only reason I was TRing him earlier I feel was based on how I saw him in comparison and by the light he was put in by others).

[Luca Blight]

Just doing a bit of ISO'ing.

Maria is someone I could see myself scumreading just on her playstyle, so I'm trying to look at her posts as objectively as possible. I felt her reasoning for voting Katherine was bad, even by early game standards. She has given no reasoning for any of her votes since, which is something that just doesn't sit well with me - even if she is town, it's setting a standard where people can post naked votes which they can't later be held to account for - because they're unexplained. Any thought/read progression is impossible to monitor as she is a closed book in that regard.

Her

'I don't scumread Luca but I'd still vote him'

remark was strange because the only reason I can see to vote a non scumread is for pressure purposes, in which case why not just lay down the vote? She then transitions into scumreading and voting me based on nothing but a general

'feeling

' that my thoughts aren't real. Due to her previous comment, as well as the unexplained nature of it all, it feels more a convenient switch than a genuine one, to me.

Another thing I noticed is that she has a tendency to vote someone while talking about something else - she votes me while talking about Mumble, she votes Ausuka while talking about Implosion, she votes Implosion while talking about Mafia theory etc. It's like she's looking useful and game-advancing, while not allowing herself to be challenged on her vote due to the lack of comment on that particular player.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey we're both online, wanna talk?

[Luca Blight]

Sure.

What's on your mind?

[Gamma Emerald]

What do you make of TChill's defense of Havo?

[Luca Blight]

It was pretty weird - as Tchill admitted himself, he's being hypocritical criticising people for naked votes when he's been one of the worst for such.

Also the way he lumped Havo, Katherine and Mumble into the same pile and asked why Havo is scum and the other two aren't - I think all three can be independently scumread for different things, the possible exception being Katherine who simply hasn't posted much.

Tchill I'm generally town-leaning for activity and transparenct at the moment, though.