Just Play the Hits uPick - Video Killed the Radio Star

[Titus]

Town having a one shot rb and a global one shot rb makes no sense.

This game was designed as follows.
1. Each player was given one of the artists they submitted.
2. I chose three song titles for each artist to represent their three abilities.

3. Player alignments were randomized.

Titus. Please thumb through the game rules of a Upick before spouting off with this nonsense.

Please understand three song titles for artist.
Randomize.
Roles picked.

Town doesn't get two rbs.

I did read. I am not going to insult your intelligence or effort. Please do the same.

[Chara]

you're oversimplifying, the two abilities are completely different, and i also have a damn roleblock. town can be given two of the same ability, there's no rule that says they can't.
do something productive now, Titus, or i'm going to think you're the scum counterpart to

me

.

[Venmar]

was going to post a refute to titus but i think chara is doing my job for me better than i could

[Titus]

you're oversimplifying, the two abilities are completely different, and i also have a damn roleblock. town can be given two of the same ability, there's no rule that says they can't.
do something productive now, Titus, or i'm going to think you're the scum counterpart to

me

.

I did do something productive. Go ahead and vote me. I already announced I had limited time and I am prioritizing this game. I am doing the best that I can and highlighting scum where they are. However, if my opinion is unacceptable so be it.

The game was stagnating before I did anything at all. I will just have to wait for more emotional ways of scum showing tbemselves.

[Titus]

Notable that hebichan and mollie (and to a much lesser extent UT) both locktowned me on D1 but have since moved me into nullpool/lynchpool without explanation, now that 2 potential votes on me died at night.

This is really icky. I feel like both wagons today are scum-driven. I'll obviously vote a nullread again to save myself again (unless Gamma has provably positive town utility), but this is getting kind of ridiculous.

@Espeonage: I mean if you want the honest/ugly answer, I'm not getting wagoned as hard right now because 2 votes on my D1 wagon are now dead.

Who should we be voting?

[Mathdino]

My scumreads are all basically VCA based.

Do some VCA on the idea that both 7 vote wagons yesterday were town and get back to me.

Also lemme know if anything changes if Venmar is conftown. He says he can prove himself tonight, and we should 100% just let him. This is like lynching a claimed D3 innocent child just because you're a D4 innocent child.

[Vaxkiller]

I mean there are 50 some roles in this game, there are bound to have some repeats.

Did anyone confirm if we use our negatives on someone who is NK'd those abilities wills till be used?

[Mathdino]

Honestly if they say they're self resolving I'm inclined to just believe them

Plus both are actually somewhat responsive which is nice

Hebichan, Gamma, UT lynchpool
And where the fuck is Espeonage, did I miss him producing content recently

Why isn't Titus in your lynchpool
Look at Skrew's d1 play and tell me that isn't scum trying to further the town implosion

Because she believes what she's saying about Venmar, and what she's doing is basically neg utility for scum when Venmar confs himself as town. If she pushes the logic of "there can't be 2 town roleblockers in this game" guess what's gonna happen once we get Venmar's role PM?

Titus is a policy lynch, nothing more.

[CooLDoG]

Why is math like getting away with being more shimmy today than yesterday?

he isn't. But lynching gamma is also good. I'm still down to lynch mathdino, but I don't feel like simply wagoning him to lynch again on d2. It produces nothing that we don't already know. It will litterally be the same as yesterday's math wagon. BUt yeah, I've been conflicted on this, the guy is scummy as hell and deserves to eat rope.

i can't see myself backing a gamma emerald wagon today

will always happily settle for a dino wagon, could be swayed for an elton wagon

I would also settle on a dino wagon. Voting for elton would be more productive, I'd be down to hop to that if other people are also scum reading him and the wagon would actually get some pressure. Given the state of this game, I'm feeling the clock ticking on activity before deadline. I don't want today to be some ho-hum last minute sort of affair. Hitting scum today with our lynch massively improves our win chances given a multi-ball.

Notable that hebichan and mollie (and to a much lesser extent UT) both locktowned me on D1 but have since moved me into nullpool/lynchpool without explanation, now that 2 potential votes on me died at night.

This is really icky. I feel like both wagons today are scum-driven. I'll obviously vote a nullread again to save myself again (unless Gamma has provably positive town utility), but this is getting kind of ridiculous.

@Espeonage: I mean if you want the honest/ugly answer, I'm not getting wagoned as hard right now because 2 votes on my D1 wagon are now dead.

Mollie is becoming more of a lurker as the game goes on. SO I feel that. Don't buy the hebichan point, given recent increase in activity which was absent d1. I'm also glad that you'd be willing to bus your scum partner if it comes down to the wire.

venmar, titus, change your votes, those wagons are not happening today

Venmar is nearly outed scum. I think you're townish but FMPOV nothing else should happen. Nothing else is happening either. The problem seems to be more of a) badic setup design or b) my failure to convey the obvious.

Town having a one shot rb and a global one shot rb makes no sense.

hmmmmmmmmmm..... urrrrrrg. I hate this fucking game so goddamn much. You are correct, it does make no sense for both a global rb and a town rb to happen. WITH THAT SAID, VENMAR HAS SAID HE WILL BE CONFIRMED TOMORROW, THUS, IF HE IS NOT, THEN WE AUTO-LYNCH. The problem in my mind will self-resolve tomorrow. So, I'm more motivated to lynch someone else today on the off chance that a) is the actuality with a chance at hitting different scum today if b) is true, That's my perspective. I don't think that what you are saying is wrong.

Idea: It might be a good idea if we designate 1 person to be the target of all our negatives.

an interesting idea. Could scum exploit it somehow though? i.e. kill the guy we choose in the night to prevent negative role claims being confirmed?

VOTE: Gamma emerald

Alright then.

Do you have any reason to suspect me yourself or are you just taking CooLDoG's logic as law because lolwillage

it's a good sheep dude. It's virtuous because you are scum.

Honestly if they say they're self resolving I'm inclined to just believe them

Plus both are actually somewhat responsive which is nice

Hebichan, Gamma, UT lynchpool
And where the fuck is Espeonage, did I miss him producing content recently

Why isn't Titus in your lynchpool
Look at Skrew's d1 play and tell me that isn't scum trying to further the town implosion

AGAIN, HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES DO WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS?

1) VENMAR CONF D3
2) DELAYED FUCKING RB MEANS IT GOES THROUGH EVEN IF TITUS IS KILLED
3) ONE OF THE TWO IS NOT TELLING THE TRUTH. ON D3 WE WILL BE ABLE TO DETERMINE THIS, EITHER BY VENMAR'S CONFIRMATION OR A FLIP

you're oversimplifying, the two abilities are completely different, and i also have a damn roleblock. town can be given two of the same ability, there's no rule that says they can't.
do something productive now, Titus, or i'm going to think you're the scum counterpart to

me

.

fuck me.

[CooLDoG]

the odds of two rb's and a global rb are pretty low given the multi-ball and factional nature of how kills work.

[Vaxkiller]

I beg to differ. I can see RB being a common role for negative utility this game due to everyone trying to use their negative utility.

@chara and @titus
Does you RB say anything about NK's?

@venmar I think I catch your drift

[CooLDoG]

goddamn complex set-up speculation. Vax also isn't necessarily wrong. Although it depends on how much negative utility really is negative. Like, I don't see a delayed modifier as being really that bad (although the rb can't prevent certain situations).

[Chara]

mine isn'r negative utility and blocks kills.

[Mathdino]

is this a bad time to remind everyone that i my targeted ability is a jailkeeper

[Vaxkiller]

lol

[Gamma Emerald]

Honestly if they say they're self resolving I'm inclined to just believe them

Plus both are actually somewhat responsive which is nice

Hebichan, Gamma, UT lynchpool
And where the fuck is Espeonage, did I miss him producing content recently

Why isn't Titus in your lynchpool
Look at Skrew's d1 play and tell me that isn't scum trying to further the town implosion

Because she believes what she's saying about Venmar, and what she's doing is basically neg utility for scum when Venmar confs himself as town. If she pushes the logic of "there can't be 2 town roleblockers in this game" guess what's gonna happen once we get Venmar's role PM?

Titus is a policy lynch, nothing more.

Did I say look at Titus? No. I said look at

SleepyKrew

. Get it right.

[pirate mollie]

Notable that hebichan and mollie (and to a much lesser extent UT) both locktowned me on D1 but have since moved me into nullpool/lynchpool without explanation, now that 2 potential votes on me died at night.

This is really icky. I feel like both wagons today are scum-driven. I'll obviously vote a nullread again to save myself again (unless Gamma has provably positive town utility), but this is getting kind of ridiculous.

@Espeonage: I mean if you want the honest/ugly answer, I'm not getting wagoned as hard right now because 2 votes on my D1 wagon are now dead.

I haven't dropped you down to null/lynchpool, I said you dropped down to a town leanish. in case you are confused by the word "town" or "leanish" in what I said then let me just say it in a different way and say that you are leanish town. hth

tell me...what do you think of titus?

other than she wld be a policy lynch for you.

[Mathdino]

Town that currently doesn't seem to understand how to be helpful in this setup/gamestate

I already talked about her in this page

@Gamma: I don't have a super strong read either way on SKrew. I'm just townreading Titus.

[pirate mollie]

Town having a one shot rb and a global one shot rb makes no sense.

This game was designed as follows.
1. Each player was given one of the artists they submitted.
2. I chose three song titles for each artist to represent their three abilities.

3. Player alignments were randomized.

Titus. Please thumb through the game rules of a Upick before spouting off with this nonsense.

They are randomized everygame. That doesn't change game balance.

It also does not change the total lack of town motivation of blocking all town but letting the nk go through.

I think I see where you are getting at!

hi titus

what about the second nk if nking was a factional ability and the factional abilities were not blocked? this makes a bit more sense from the pple who have been screaming that it is multiball or that there is an sk in play.

[hebichan]

Math, why do you keep misrepresenting me? I never called you a nullread.

You keep saying im doing things I'm not and thats the only thibg that is making me null read you. Self fulfilling prophecy.

[Mathdino]

Well the replacement has made my motivation to vote SK slot even lower.

Not really liking Gamma, Mathdino, or Elton anymore.

Willing to vote on any of them based on their recent posts.

M'bad

I switched from a townread to a scumread then.

Activity.

Pretty solid.

[Espeonage]

This is not reck's first game he's designed and he's pretty on the ball with the whole don't let the game be broken with massclaims.

So can we just skip over this whole role shit.

[Espeonage]

If I get some time I'll see if I can find my old titus stuff.

I had a page of how to word analysis her but idk where it is any more.

[Espeonage]

I also have in my notes that CD slipped but I can't find it on re-look so I'll have a trawl. I think it had to do with trying to get people to think something about numbers that wasn't true but I might have been completely mental at midnight last night.

[Vaxkiller]

I mean role does not equal alignment, but who they reveal and use said role should be taken into consideration.