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???In post 24, Lexa wrote:Why don't you want to draw out the d1, have more to look at once a scum flips?
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Your post to Havo seemed to imply the town attitude of not rushing to end D1 so that we have more to look over. All the while you are supporting (and still are) his rather quick wagon. Which is on the verge (L-1 or 2?) of bringing D1 to an early end.
So it seems to me you are more interested in the negative...quick end of D1 then the alternative good situation you question Havo about.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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Havo...have you ever made that DISCLAIMER before on MS?Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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Why are you asking for thoughts on Luca over anyone else in the game?In post 252, rb wrote:What's everyone's thoughts on Luca Blight?
My thoughts: They seem town. Not a lot to work with...only 4 posts, but a slight tr atm.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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About anything in particular or just because we (my v/LA aside) don't have a lot of posts yet?In post 250, Havo wrote:I’m not much on the Lexa wagon.
I’d like to hear more from Alexcellent and Fitz tbh.
You don't suspect anyone enough to place a vote yet?
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I noticed rb's question and I was curious. That's how I operate...if I see something I'm curious about I ask. Some things you might find curious I might not and vice versa.In post 261, numberQ wrote:
Why are you asking about this post over everything else in the game?In post 254, havingfitz wrote:
Why are you asking for thoughts on Luca over anyone else in the game?In post 252, rb wrote:What's everyone's thoughts on Luca Blight?
What "else" is going on in the game that you were wanting my opinion on?
Understanding why he felt the need to ask other people what their read on Luca was. Luca of 4 posts. Luca who he has a slight town read on. Why not ask about someone he suspects? Hence my question.In post 261, numberQ wrote:But seriously, what are you hoping to gain from rb answering this?
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Luca, Havo and Papa:
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I thought her reads post was worth not being at L-2.
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She was the first non-rvs vote on Mumble. And her vote on Alexcellent wasn't going anywhere. Not even sure how serious that vote was. And now he's a tr for Lexa. So I've no problem with the move to Mumble.In post 307, Papa Zito wrote:Just a coincidence that her giant wall led her to hop on the largest opposing wagon amirite
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The fact she was exerting some effort.
I thought her final reads list was decent with the exception of my position on it.
The more in depth opinionations will require a more in depth review when able.
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no. But enough based on your reads for me to step you back a bit from getting lynched while I figure what I want to do next. Which could be putting my vote back where it was. idk.In post 318, Lexa wrote:Is effort posting enough to shift your opinion of someone?Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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I'm not saying Lexa can't be scum.In post 322, rb wrote:wait why does someone's reads make you think theyre not scum?
I'm saying I don't want to leave her at L-2 while I consider her comments and look at others.
And her reads are close in line with my current mindset (minus me), so that synchronization is something I consider as well.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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I'll place it soon. I wanna look 5 or 6 isos over first.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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Spoiler: Mumble ISO
I do not recall playing with Mumble. For some reason I get the impression he is lynchbait? idk.
I do not see anything too scummy in his posts. It looks like he is trying to sort a player out with a little pressure and it snowballed from there. He does do it in a slightly annoying manner but nothing I see as scummy.
Mumble is a town lean for me at this point.
Spoiler: GNR ISO
Pretty shit ISO from GNR. Two questionable votes IMO putting players close to lynch...no reasons other than essentially gut. Lurkish. Has logged in on MS as recently as this morning but no comments in here since Sunday morning. Due prod within the next 15 minutes.
GNR can be in my scum pool.
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That was before I ISOd you. Hence change in that read.In post 330, Mumble wrote:
I thought you said Lexa's read list was in line with yours except for your positioning? Pretty sure she has me as her top scum read.In post 327, havingfitz wrote:Mumble is a town lean for me at this point.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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Poe...you weren't among the people I was considering town. I still needed to give you a closer look. So Lexa having you as a scum read was not something I was opposed to at that time pending said closer look.In post 332, Mumble wrote:
So what was it that made you strongly scumread me prior to ISOing me?In post 331, havingfitz wrote:That was before I ISOd you. Hence change in that read.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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Could you explain your reasons for voting Cedrick?In post 334, Papa Zito wrote:In other news I could use some friends with me on this wagon.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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This post had me laughing.In post 348, Papa Zito wrote:4 straight posts with so many words and so little content
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Spoiler: Lexa ISO
OK…I still don’t like Lexa. Nothing personal mind you.
I don’t care for the things I initially suspected her for. Additionally, I think she’s coming across as overly defensive and unnecessarily emotional. While the wall post catchup was enough to give me pause for consideration…after further consideration I don’t feel any differently. And in light of tr’ing Mumble the Mumble Lexa content doesn’t favor Lexa. I didn’t agree with her misrep accusations towards NQ. It feels like she has a connection towards Cedrick. I need to look that slot over.
Pause rescinded.
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“for ages?” What does any of this post have to do with anything? I posted earlier that day and several times afterwards. And a few times Sunday. Are my post time patterns suspect to you?In post 395, Eddie Cane wrote:doesn't post for ages and comes back unvoting 5 minutes after a massive wall and moving on to other things.
If I recall correctly…at this point in the game I was leaning town (before any closer inspection) on NSG, rb, Alexcellent, and Awoo.In post 395, Eddie Cane wrote:
who was town before? because i am having trouble getting solid townreads atm. strange place to be at.In post 333, havingfitz wrote:
Poe...you weren't among the people I was considering town. I still needed to give you a closer look. So Lexa having you as a scum read was not something I was opposed to at that time pending said closer look.In post 332, Mumble wrote:
So what was it that made you strongly scumread me prior to ISOing me?In post 331, havingfitz wrote:That was before I ISOd you. Hence change in that read.
At this point in the game here’s where I’m at:
NSG, rb, Zito, Mumble are town leans.
Eddie, Alexcellent, Awoo are weaker townleans
Luca and Havo are nulls
Cedrick and GNR are suspect
Lexa is suspect enough to vote.
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Please elaborate. Deconstruct.In post 452, Cedrick wrote:Your progression doesn't seem genuine to me.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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I started the Lexa wagon and it's been up to L-2 and you never raised any issue with it before. Why not? I would assume you had an opinion since the Lexa and Mumble wagons have been the two main wagons for this day. What don't you like? That I found her comments towards Havo and support of his wagon to be in conflict with each other? I.e...to not make sense...to be a suspicious "progression"...In post 471, Cedrick wrote:I didn't think you had a good reason to even scum read her
How do you feel about the reasons the other players voting Lexa have given?
How does someone fake a pause? Do you think stepping back from an L-2 wagon to consider things over is townish? And if so...why prescribe that my doing it is fake and not from town? If not....why not?In post 471, Cedrick wrote:your "pause" looked fake to me, like you wanted to appear town trying to reconsider. It looked fake cause your reason for it wasn't very good
Iirc my reasons to back off Lexa's L-2 wagon were to consider her effort post that at first glance seemed in line with where a lot of my reads on people were. How is that reason not good?
LOLIYF.... First off...I've noticed you use the term hop a few times. Is that a negative connotation you are placing on the act of placing a vote? Are all votes "hops?" I consider it a form of vote shading.In post 471, Cedrick wrote:Your hop back on looks opportunistic because how we have somebody pushing harder for her lynch, and since your reasons for scum reading her and for giving her "pause" cancel each other out, you are basically back on it for things that I personally have seen town do more often then scum.
Opportunistic....more shade! What is opportunistic about voting a wagon I started that was being supported just fine when I "paused," and is the same size now as when I got off it? smh...
And how are you seeing my reasons for suspecting Lexa as being cancelled out by my pause? I'm pretty sure neither has cancelled out anything because I still suspect her.
So you've seen scum do the things I suspect Lexa for? Excellent. So you're saying there's a chance??????In post 471, Cedrick wrote:you are basically back on it for things that I personally have seen town do more often then scum.
Short of a smoking gun that identifies Lexa as scum...what would separate her actions as town from scum? Nothing.
So short of a a smoking gun that identifies someone as scum should we never suspect anyone?
Would my suspicions carry more weight with you if they were based on gut, tone or POE?
I couldn't care less. I do the ISO's for me to help establish my reads on players. You don't like it...ignore it. At a minimum it lets people (should they choose to read them) have a "surface level" insight into how I am perceiving another player's posting.In post 471, Cedrick wrote:I am also not really a fan of that whole iso thing you did because I don't really feel that is an effective way of scum hunting because they just show you not liking posts, they don't really include good analysis as to why those posts make them scum, doesn't show where the scum intent is.
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Well thanks for clarifying that!In post 473, Cedrick wrote:Let's get something straight. Just because you voted her first, doesn't mean you started the wagon.
So who did start the Lexa wagon? And what do you think of their reasons?
Ah so. You did make a comment wrt to Lexa (in response to being asked). And you didn’t say it really wasn’t a contradiction…you said “idk if it is”.In post 473, Cedrick wrote:Post 62 I tell somebody else that the contradiction you supposedly found wasn't really a contradiction. I didn't dwell on it though cause that definitely isn't lynch worthy and I never would dream somebody would actually use that as a reason to scum read somebody.
How is lobbying for a player to consider the benefits of having a long day while actively efforting to end the day for that same player not a contradiction?
You are painting a misleading picture here.In post 473, Cedrick wrote:I can't believe you actually asked me how somebody can fake a pause. That is super easy. Unvote for some lame reason making it look like you are actually reconsidering, re-vote later for the same or more poor reasons, especially if the wagon seems to be growing or increasing in popularity.
TADA. you have just faked a pause.
First…you infer an ad-hom attacking my asking of a question. I.e. “I can’t believe you asked” = how stupid can you be. Let's get something straight… pause is a pause…whether is being done by scum or town. It can’t be fake.
The reasons on the other hand could be. But they aren’t here.
Second…you shade my unvote/pause saying it was for lame reasons. Why were my reasons lame?
How do my actions (ex. ISO of Mumble and Lexa and GNR and re-vote on Lexa) leave any doubt there was re-consideration taking place?
How was the Lexa wagon growing or increasing in popularity? There were no new slots on the wagon. I rejoined it right where I left off. No more and no less votes. The only thing in the game that had changed was Eddie joining (and maintaining NQ’s Lexa vote). Which was not even a consideration to me as I ISO’d Lexa as I came into the game this morning and went straight into my Lexa ISO. I had no knowledge of Eddie’s reads/opinions until after I’d posted my Lexa ISO/vote. I didn’t even realize he had joined the game until I got to the Lexa post that said “Hi Eddie.”
Summary - the reasons you are ascribing to my pause being fake are a load of crap.
Recap - the reasons you are ascribing to my pause being fake are a load of crap.In post 473, Cedrick wrote:I mean your pause could have been legit, but I don't really feel it was but I concede I could be wrong. only time will tell.
Right…so you are using hop and opportunistic to shade perfectly acceptable actions. It feels like you are very interested in protecting Lexa.In post 473, Cedrick wrote:I used the term hop in 179 and 471. For me, To hop means to jump. in terms of mafia, It's voting somebody, especially somebody who already has votes for poor or lack of reasons. Opportunistic votes are votes I would classify as a hop. I feel like both of my usese are spot on.
I’m not meta’ing Lexa. If anyone else has experience with her and wants to chime in fine. FWIW it appears Eddie has experience and he’s voting her. Not sure of the reasons as I type this but perhaps he can opine on the matter.In post 473, Cedrick wrote:I have seen scum do things lexa has done, but I have seen town do it way more. This makes it null because there is no real scum intent behind it. Being defensive and emotional is more of a personal playstyle. there are players on site who are very emotional and defensive when under pressure, they do it as both town and scum. If you want to make a case that lex is only emotional and defensive as scum I will gladly listen to that. Go find me examples and I will reconsider my stance on that issue but until you do that, it remains null.
How do you feel about Eddie voting Lexa?
It was an homage to a line from “Dumb and Dumber”…something I’m sure a few people might think is appropriate to this discussion.In post 473, Cedrick wrote:"so you are telling me there is a chance" is weak. if you are town I definitely expect more/better from you, That is basically are saying you are flipping a coin on her alignment.
Why do you say this “if you are townI definitely expect more/better from you”…I do not recall having ever played with you.
Well…I don’t like your defense of Lexa or your criticisms of my intentions. You look like a good candidate for scum regardless of Lexa’s flip. But moreso if she’s scum.In post 473, Cedrick wrote:I do not really like your response/defense of your actions so I stand by my opinion that if lex flips town, you look like a good candidate for scum on the wagon.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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That's not a read. It's my assessment of something you did. It contributes to my read. And you yourself say it was a fair interpretation.In post 477, Lexa wrote:
Is this seriously your read on a day 1 vote?In post 474, havingfitz wrote:[
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1) I'm tr'ing Mumble.
2) I believe a straight doc claim more than odd night watcher.
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^ thisIn post 495, Luca Blight wrote:
How can you be so sure he's lying?In post 488, Lexa wrote:Don't give a shot about counterclaim you're just lying
And it is a bit weird how you stated your role as if it was poof he's scum.
She can't be sure and she's full of shit. Look at that claim exchange...Mumble's claim looks totally genuine whereas Lexa knows she's history if she doesn't do the same. Smh...
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Eddie...what does the fact our reads are similar matter?In post 510, Eddie Cane wrote:what do you make of fitz having a literal clone of my reads list?
Are you so impressed with yourself that you actually think I would sheep your reads to make you suspect me less?
If so....thanks for a good laugh. Seriously...I had a good laugh and I thank you for it.
If not...then what?
As for my reads...I think they were pretty evident before I made that reads list. I had explicitly stated Lexa and GNR were suspect to me. In my Lexa ISO and its summary I mention a connection to Cedrick. So those three as suspects is par for my content.
I had stated that my reads were similar to Lexa's which infers my general feeling towards others I had yet to mention.
I subsequently ISO'd Mumble and decided he was a town lean for me which took him out of my suspect pool.
And Papa Zito has moved up the last few days from null to town as his content has improved.
Not sure there are any reads of mine that have changed to "clone" yours. lolTown 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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^^^^^^In post 524, havingfitz wrote:
^ thisIn post 495, Luca Blight wrote:
How can you be so sure he's lying?In post 488, Lexa wrote:Don't give a shot about counterclaim you're just lying
And it is a bit weird how you stated your role as if it was poof he's scum.
She can't be sure and she's full of shit. Look at that claim exchange...Mumble's claim looks totally genuine whereas Lexa knows she's history if she doesn't do the same. Smh...
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Luca had said he'd probably be voting Mumble. I.e. putting at L-1.In post 529, Papa Zito wrote:My issue with both claims is they were done at L-2 with no players expressing intent to move to either wagonTown 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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Has more reason to be made than the LoLexa claim.In post 531, Papa Zito wrote:I missed that I suppose. Even so without the vote cast and without someone declaring intent it's premature.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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Papa Zito...you think Cedrick is scum.
Look how hard he is defending Lexa.
I'd vote Cedrick if I thought that would fly today but I'm more confident in Lexa. Vote Lexa today and if I'm here tomorrow I'll support your Cedrick wagon.
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What is stupid about my post? Because I point out there is no way Lexa can KNOW Mumble is lying...that's stupid? That's conf bias? Because I think Lexa...who's claim was bad...you even say so YOURSELF...had to claim in response to the Mumble claim because she knew it could sway town towards her wagon? Please explain how anything I say in my post is stupid or proves confbias. LOL...I think your comments are more indicative of what you accuse me of. smh....In post 527, Cedrick wrote:That's a stupid post and imo proves you are just conf.biased or scum.
"Pleasepleaseplease don't lynch my scum partner Lexa!!!!" is what I hear. Is Lexa a powerful Scum PR? Roleblocker maybe? Hate to lose her D1? lol....In post 527, Cedrick wrote:The right play is to not lynch either and let night actions resolve.
And you keep screaming like chicken little "Fitz wants to lynch a PR"....well where is your precious Lexa voting at the moment?
And where was your common sense when you were saying you would hammer Havo earlier this day even though you were not convinced they were scum.
And you even say yourself that claims don't factor into your decisions because "YOU CAN'T REALLY TRUST ANYONE'S CLAIM!!!!!" But you'll trust a bad claim (according to you) for a useless role (according to you)......lol. People need to read this exchange. You are awesome Cedrick. Awesomely scummy.
How does doctor not fit with a watcher in the game? Because Lexa threw in a modifier? No.In post 527, Cedrick wrote:It's completely possible for Lexa to be town and think mumbles is lying. I have played games where somebody claimed a role that I felt didn't belong with my role.
So because Lexa's claim is "useless" it's more likely to be true? lol....how about it's the best she could come up with. And what do you care... because "YOU CAN'T REALLY TRUST ANYONE'S CLAIM!!!!!" Watcher is a great scum claim....what happens if Lexa is not lynched and she is still here tomorrow? Uhhhh da herp de durp...uhhhhh I watched (fill in the blank) and no one visited them. Maybe I'll find someone N3 ladedadeda.In post 527, Cedrick wrote:If anything doctor is the smarter fake claim. Nobody wants to lynch the doctor day 1. Watcher is a useless role most of the time.
Mumble had an intent to place at L-1 late last night. How does he know he survives through the night if Luca puts him at L-1 while he Mumble is AFK? His claim was warranted.In post 527, Cedrick wrote:Neither played how I'd expect a PR to play and both claims were done in a terrible manner. You can't say with certainty that one is legit over the other without bias of your exsisting reads.
Lexa on the other had has what apparently to her is some sort of counter claim to Mumble (lol) and despite not having anyone's intent to join her wagon...inserts claim. Granted...I think there was a fear of shifting from Mumle to Lexa which was the real reason the claim happened. A PR claim was the only thing that might save Lexa. And a shit claim it was.
I do not automatically believe every claim I see. I believe Mumble's because how the context it was placed in and the tone in his posts.In post 527, Cedrick wrote: You believe mumbles but thought he was town I believe Lexa but thought he was town.
Why do you believe Lexa when "YOU CAN'T REALLY TRUST ANYONE'S CLAIM!!!!!"
"Pleasepleaseplease don't lynch my scum partner Lexa!!!!" is what I hear. Is Lexa a powerful Scum PR? Roleblocker maybe? Hate to lose her D1? lol....In post 527, Cedrick wrote:Leave them both alone and let scum kill whoever is real and then we discuss after that. It's possible both are town. I can't remember is there a way to check completed games easily?
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Are they exact? I haven't compared. I know they are close.In post 553, Eddie Cane wrote:my reads was the EXACT same as yours, not "similar". I don't know why it took you 10 lines to reply to that with a falsehood, but my reads list is virtually identical to yours. that's not strange to you?
So fypov it's either...
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2) I did it (lol) on purpose (lol)
The answer is 1 btw.
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Cedrick...just ignore the points you can't tapdance out of and give shit logic in the answers you do deem reply worthy.
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"And you even say yourself that claims don't factor into your decisions because "YOU CAN'T REALLY TRUST ANYONE'S CLAIM!!!!!" But you'll trust a bad claim (according to you) for a useless role (according to you)......lol. People need to read this exchange. You are awesome Cedrick. Awesomely scummy. "In post 561, Cedrick wrote:Fitz says he supports my lynch but only after we lynch a Pr claim. Sorry that is never a town mindset especially day 1Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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By this ligic you think Lexa is scum.In post 568, Cedrick wrote:Any argument that supports lynching a Pr claim day 1 is shit logic.
Also..."you even say yourself that claims don't factor into your decisions because "YOU CAN'T REALLY TRUST ANYONE'S CLAIM!!!!!" But you'll trust a bad claim (according to you) for a useless role (according to you)......lol. People need to read this exchange. You are awesome Cedrick. Awesomely scummy. "Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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Claims don't factor into your decisions. Remember?In post 572, Cedrick wrote:It doesn’t matter if I trust or don’t trust a claim.
YOU SHOULD NEVER LYNCH A PR CLAIM DAY 1 AND ANYONE PUSHING THAT AGENDA IS SCUM OR A DETRIMENT TO THE GAME.
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So claims don't factor into your decisions because you can't trust them.In post 574, Cedrick wrote:I’m not arguing with you anymore. I town read Lexa so I trust her over mumbles but that doesn’t mean mumbles isn’t telling the truth and I’m wrong on Lexa. I can’t make an unbiased decision and neither can you (if you are town)
Smart play is let mafia decide what to do. If both are alive tomorrow we will deal with that also.
Nobody especially you is going to convince me it’s a good idea to lynch a Pr claim. I think mumbles is probably lying and I won’t even agree to that lynch.
So you go do you. I’ll do me and we’ll see what is what day 2 and beyond.
Why did you unvote Mimble?
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My push is tied to my confidence. Usually happens later in games. Confidence came early this game.In post 575, Luca Blight wrote:He was a lot more standoffish in that, certainly never pushing as hard as he is here.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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You left this out of my quote:In post 580, Cedrick wrote:
Cause I’m not voting a claimed PR day 1 even if I don’t believe him.In post 576, havingfitz wrote:Why did you unvote Mimble?
Why am I scum for using the same logic you espouse?
Cause you are advocating lynching a claimed or day 1. (Other reasons previously mentioned also but that’s the thing that confirmed it for me.)
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If the Lexa wagon dissolves I'd vote you without a concern.In post 581, Cedrick wrote:
I already called it. He even said it himself. He rather lynch a Pr claim over me.In post 579, Papa Zito wrote:fitz you're spending a lot of energy on a slot that you've called scum a couple times now but your vote hasn't moved and that gives me what the experts call "the heebie jeebies"Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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I'm confident Lexa isscum.In post 579, Papa Zito wrote:fitz you're spending a lot of energy on a slot that you've called scum a couple times now but your vote hasn't moved and that gives me what the experts call "the heebie jeebies"
A bad watcher claim isn't going to change my opinion.
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Hey Cedrick..claims don't factor into your decisions.
If I'm scum for wanting Lexa still lynched what's that do to your reads on Eddie, Mumble and Lexa?Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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I am extremely confident Lexa is scum.In post 589, Eddie Cane wrote:If that is true, what are your current thoughts as of this post wrt Lexa? How confident you are in your push, how confident you are in their flip.
I'm not big on D1 histrionics but if you look at games where I strongly believe someone is scum...my play is similar. I.e. aggressive and annoying as fcuk.
Self meta alert!!! Not my scumplay style at all.
Cedrick meanwhile in his unabashed defense of Lexa has resorted personal attacks and dismissiveness. Si he can be Lexa's partner.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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Spoiler: Cedrick ISO
Conclusion? Cedrick is scum. No town hard defends a player as much as Cedrick does virtually from his 3rd post of the game until now. His suspicions towards others (papa zito, Eddie, Mumble, me) have either been at best omgus or chainsawing. He uses the same actions or opinions to justify both sides of a read (i.e. which ever suits him best) and he would rather dismiss conversation than address voiced concerns/positions.
I am convinced Lexa is scum. I think she is scum and if she isn't the lynch today...I will work to remove her tomorrow.
I think Cedrick is scum. I just cannot see town hard defending someone on D1 and hard as he has...even before Lexa's fakeclaim.
GNR feels more like a policy lynch. Which in lieu of a Lexa or Cedrick lynch I would be ok with. His ISO is crap...he's absent and providing no benefit to town if he is town. And afaict this is his only game and while he saw fit to log onto the site just this morning...he couldn't be bothered to opinionate on game events. So lynching GNR would feel nice...but I would not be surprised if the third scum was in a null or townread (fmpov).
So staying on Lexa until a Cedrick wagon develops or possibly a GNR one. Anyone else I would need to do a deep dive on before considering.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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Cedrick could be scum regardless of Lexa flip.In post 602, Eddie Cane wrote:is scum!Derrick reliant on scum!lexa? or is it an independent scumreadTown 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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Assuming #2 is tvt...In post 603, Eddie Cane wrote:actually, here. rank these in order of likelihood please
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I'm not losing shit. You're the one that keep flying the french flag and crying about not engaging me anymore.In post 605, Cedrick wrote:So you are losing the argument so you decide to resort to lying?
Nice MISREP on saying I am lying.
Lexa is scum.
You have defended Lexa since your 3rd post in the game. That is a fact. And you're full of shit regardless of your alignment which IMO is scum along with Lexa.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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There's a game concept where people vote the ones they suspect the most. I'm more sure of Lexa than you. Understand?In post 607, Cedrick wrote:
So why aren’t you voting me?In post 604, havingfitz wrote:
Cedrick could be scum regardless of Lexa flip.In post 602, Eddie Cane wrote:is scum!Derrick reliant on scum!lexa? or is it an independent scumread
If I forgot. You said you’d rather lynch a claimed Pr over me.
Carry on
An odd night watcher claim means shit to me because it a useless role (your own words)...her claim was terrible (your own words)...you can't trust claims (your own words)...and they should factor into decisions (your own words). All in context IMO though. Some claims are better than others and deserve consideration. Not Lexa's IMO. A claim should automatically save a scum suspect.
How the hell does Lexa's claim indicate she is town and how in the world does it conclusively prove she is telling the truth? It doesn't and can't. She claims a lame ass no result tomorrow and you going to keep her alive until D4? No fcuking way. What if she is a powerful mafia PR? Sucks for town. What if she is a weak ass town pr that is lynched D1. Town will survive. I'm betting on scenario 1.
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possssssibly......minuscule chance.In post 610, rb wrote:Derrick just seems like dumbtown to me
Not seeing this at all. Why? Any actual reasons?In post 611, rb wrote:Id rather do northsidegalTown 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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You can't use this to support a negative and at the same time dismiss my suspicions which should be enforced by the same token by "on this site long enough." This is an example of the point I made where you use the same action/comment/opinion as a positive or negative to support you flawed points (aka defenses of Lexa).In post 612, Cedrick wrote:Fitz has been on this site long enough
This is hilarious given your propensity, iirc, for ad-homing players.In post 612, Cedrick wrote:P.edit please don’t call me dumb.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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^In post 618, Eddie Cane wrote:you said to me that you playing differently than me (not lynching claims) doesn't make you bad, and now it makes people bad for being alright lynching a claim? backwards asf bro :/Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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There was a CC? Where? I missed it? lolIn post 623, Cedrick wrote:He CCs and now he’s basically confirmed scum? Sorry that is suspicious.
I was suspecting Lexa before her claim. I know you know this because you were defending her att. Her claim just adds to my suspicion of her. Is Lexa confirmed scum? Not 100%. But she's close enough for me to give her my vote.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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You keep on saying you aren't defending Lexa.In post 628, Cedrick wrote:Fitz actually said me scum reading him for pushing to lynch a Pr claim over a non Pr claim was me defending Lexa. How?
I’m against BOTH being lynched and I scum read mumble. That’s not defending anyone. It’s pointing out the bizarreness
If there are any town that disagree with this assessment please raise your hand lol.
Delusional.
And if you continued trying to lynch doc claim Mumble (like Lexa is if you hadn't noticed)...you wouldn't have a leg to stand on in saying people shouldn't lynch watch claim Lexa. Ergo you are defending her.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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Has Eddie defended Mumble to the same extent Cedrick has Lexa? I haven't compared. I know he town reads Mumble and has stated he thinks Mumble is town based on meta. And iirc Eddie suspects Lexa for meta. Was that right?In post 630, Luca Blight wrote:
In that case why are you townreading Cane when he's been doing the same for Mumble?In post 601, havingfitz wrote:I think Cedrick is scum. I just cannot see town hard defending someone on D1 and hard as he has...even before Lexa's fakeclaim.
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