Sid Meier's Civilization 5 UPick Mafia (GAME OVER)

[brassherald]

@Mod Can we get a vote count?

[Gamma Emerald]

The first point is alright but I don't really see the problem with thinking it's 3of2

3 or 4 man teams seems like it would be more plausible. Suggesting that there are maybe 3 teams seems like an attempt to not hunt a bigger team. For example, we have 2 dead red, in his proposal, we'd be not hunting any other red scum and that doesn't make any sense to me. Or it being a slip is also a possibility. Also, wasn't Varsoon pushing that there are two teams of 3? Why does he ignore that?

All good points, but I feel like if it was a scum-motivated statement it would be because he's last red and doesn't want to get hunted down.

[Gamma Emerald]

Religious Gold especially must be eliminated or examined, as it is an affront to Gods and Kings to have effigies made from impure or ill-gotten materials.

I mean, it sounds like a good reason to ban it all together, no?

Like, maybe Gold is what gives them their ability and banning it would 'cause their religion spread cease tonight so banning it would atleast tell us what it does, atleast if the former theory is correct.

I mean it's temporary anyway so I think I wouldn't be upset about it messing the proving up but why are we just doubling back on our night plan?

[Joey_]

Religious Gold especially must be eliminated or examined, as it is an affront to Gods and Kings to have effigies made from impure or ill-gotten materials.

I mean, it sounds like a good reason to ban it all together, no?

Like, maybe Gold is what gives them their ability and banning it would 'cause their religion spread cease tonight so banning it would atleast tell us what it does, atleast if the former theory is correct.

I mean it's temporary anyway so I think I wouldn't be upset about it messing the proving up but why are we just doubling back on our night plan?

I know you didn't ask me but i think that maybe preventing a single NK is more beneficial than to clear 2-3 slot of red scum considering that mafia will probably want to kill the ic tonight.
IMO, even if we asked to prove the religion spreader tonight and some of them couldn't prove themselves, we still wouldn't lynch them for the reason alone, we still have many nights down the road.

[Venmar]

Votecount 2.6

[1]

Nero Cain:

Shaziro

[1]

Kiana Kaslana:

Brassherald

[0] brassherald:

[0] Bujaber:

[0] Kokichi Oma:

[0] Chara:

[1]

Gamma Emerald:

Titus

[0] Klazam:

[0] Titus:

[2]

Shaziro:

Chara, Nero Cain

[1]

ActionDan:

marshy

[0] Joey_:

[1]

pidgey:

Almost50

[0] jodaxq:

[0] almost50:

[2]

marshy:

Gamma Emerald, Kiana Kaslana

[3]

ranmaru:

Jodaxq, Klazam, BuJaber

Not Voting

• Kokichi Koma, ActionDan, Joey_, pidgey, ranmaru

Deadline

• In (expired on 2018-03-27 09:00:00)
  
• Tuesday, March 27th @9:00am PST

Mod Notes:

• With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch.
  
• Nero Cain is V/LA

[Venmar]

Ranmaru has been prodded.

[brassherald]

VOTE: ActionDan

Might as well move to another full scum read, if he's the only one with a vote on him... I would not be against lynching Ranmaru at this point, though. I am not sold on scum, but not townreading anymore.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Ranmaru
I think they're a little too quiet

[Almost50]

All religious spreaders need to target different ppl tonight. Claim in thread so there's no overlap.

With only 3 spreaders and 17 players (16 after the lynch) I can hardly see two of us targeting the same player.

I also am FOR banning gold, but I'm more confident now I want to lynch pidgey. The resolution states:"Religious Gold especially must be eliminated or examined, as it is an affront to Gods and Kings to have effigies made from impure or ill-gotten materials."

Gods (plural) refers to Paganism, while Kings in the middle ages were controlled by (or sometime controlling) the Roman Catholic Church, and that was one of the reasons the Protestant movement started to begin with.

VOTE: pidgy

I probably already was voting there, but it doesn't hurt to confirm it.

Now since it's gold people are debating about it looks like Ivory will be banned anyway, so..

HEAL: Ban Gold
HEAL: Ban Gold

[pidgey]

HEAL: ban Ivory
HEAL: ban gold

vote: Ranmaru

I dont dislike that case by nero

Also Bu im town GOD i cant be more obv town to be honest. Im confused as fuck, kinda tuned out because of the votes for congress, lost as fuck because we killed so many scum that I dont know who to target, my claim was pretty towney if I do say so myself, like im a little useless at the moment because of how LOST i am but yah im town.

[Joey_]

All religious spreaders need to target different ppl tonight. Claim in thread so there's no overlap.

With only 3 spreaders and 17 players (16 after the lynch) I can hardly see two of us targeting the same player.

I also am FOR banning gold, but I'm more confident now I want to lynch pidgey. The resolution states:"Religious Gold especially must be eliminated or examined, as it is an affront to Gods and Kings to have effigies made from impure or ill-gotten materials."

Gods (plural) refers to Paganism, while Kings in the middle ages were controlled by (or sometime controlling) the Roman Catholic Church, and that was one of the reasons the Protestant movement started to begin with.

VOTE: pidgy

I probably already was voting there, but it doesn't hurt to confirm it.

Now since it's gold people are debating about it looks like Ivory will be banned anyway, so..

HEAL: Ban Gold
HEAL: Ban Gold

Gods & Kings is the name of the expanson of Civ 5, you might be reaching too much

[Joey_]

Also Civ arent alignement indicative and religion type are linked to Civ, so the kind of religion is not alignement indicative

[Joey_]

Also the logic doesn't even work in itself a50, as if you are implying that religious gold that is impure would offense mafia -> Gods (pagan) & Kings (catho)

[brassherald]

If it was Kings, I'd argue Protestantism is more likely. Catholicism had a Holy Roman Emperor, not a King.

Protestantism, on the other hand, and specifically, the Church of England would be the Kings, if Kings was a hint.

If we are going that way, Marshy is more likely. I don't necessarily think that he's a good flip, but following your hint seeking, I'd go with the religious leader who is also the head of his own church.

[brassherald]

And people tried to tell me my history degree would never come in handy... Granted I really focused on American History, but whatever.

[BuJaber]

England had catholic monarchs too and iirc church of england was connected to the king/queen regardless of faith.

Not that I think this matters here.

[brassherald]

England had catholic monarchs too and iirc church of england was connected to the king/queen regardless of faith.

Not that I think this matters here.

Yeah, I think we are digging too deep right now. I'm calling it a reference to the Gods and Kings expansion.

[BuJaber]

Yeah let's not read into it.

However my current thoughts on the religion stuff:
If religion has an actual impact on the game rather than just flavor then it doesn't make sense to me to have this many townie religion spreaders without another scum religion spreader that can negatively influence town. Like it doesn't seem that pagan spreader would have influenced wincons in any obvious way; therefore there must be another.
But if religion is flavor only and nothing else then there's no reason to scumread any of the religion spreaders based on the fact they're a religion spreader as we could easily have that many flavor factions.

Which begs the question why are their resolutions that influence religion if it was just a flavor thing?

Which makes me think shaz is right and we have one more scum religion.

But anyway for now since we are testing this ban gold let's see what effect it has and we can make a decision on what to do with religion claims in day 3.

[Joey_]

@Gamma

Let's talk about how you can confirm your own role. Do you have anything in your disposal that can prove itself to be a power almost exclusively town motivated ?

[marshy]

guys idk where ran is. he looked good to me earlier in the game but when hes scum he lurks and doesnt do anything. i dont want to slow the game but we should wait for a prod cuz hes an easy read imo but im biased here cuz weve played a lot

VOTE: actiondan

for now. maybe like kiana or klazam instead. i havent seen any obvious indicator of dunk/creatures buddy and am playing off poe at this point

[Almost50]

If it was Kings, I'd argue Protestantism is more likely. Catholicism had a Holy Roman Emperor, not a King.

Kings of France, Spain, Portugal, as well as Dukes etc.. were all under the Pope's authority in the middle ages.

Like, I'm not quite sure of anything but I'm trying to deduce some indications.

[Joey_]

If it was Kings, I'd argue Protestantism is more likely. Catholicism had a Holy Roman Emperor, not a King.

Kings of France, Spain, Portugal, as well as Dukes etc.. were all under the Pope's authority in the middle ages.

Like, I'm not quite sure of anything but I'm trying to deduce some indications.

Yes but they are pretty clearly false or not worth pursuing, there's no way this is the intent behind the use of Gods & Kings by venmar and we aren't lynching in any claimed religion spreader today

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma

Let's talk about how you can confirm your own role. Do you have anything in your disposal that can prove itself to be a power almost exclusively town motivated ?

Not really at this point.

[Joey_]

Is any of your power provable ?

[Joey_]

@MOD: Is it public knowledge if scum can use abilities if they are the last in their faction?