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In post 55, Bambietta Basterbine wrote:I mean what I mean. What do they usually do day one? Because I don't think a policy Lynch is something that happens that often, or atleast that fast.
Last time I was in the newbie queue it was much crappier.
Can't say that I've seen a policy lynch in the newbie queue. Why is that relevant?
I was included in her scumpool. She quoted posts from the other two but not me. When I asked, she said she doesn’t quote spam indicating there was nothing else for her to quote that would place me in the scumpool.
have pushed a lot of strategies in open games and your reaction is most similar to scum reactions in my experience
Edit: yeah if you take that statement completely out of context and ignore all the posts before and after it detailing my strategy for this unique setup, sure
In post 26, Mathdino wrote:hahahaha
i am completely unsurprised at the newbie listmod's disapproval of this strategy
When I made 26 I figured that was a hipfire reaction, and I would, at some point, get a more detailed explanation on why my strategy was bad.
When it turned into a game of "discredit Mathdino and this strategy is garbage", that's what I mean by scum reactions. Scum is forced to either make shit up to rip into the strategy (which I'm on record outside of this game for approving of), or discredit me and my ability to optimise.
I'm not trying to discredit you, but I'm also not having this discussion in this game. Happy to participate in that discussion later on, but your claims that you have found an "optimal play" and have "broken the setup" are egotistical and unproven via stats. Once you can back up your arrogance, I'll follow along.
That's the last thing I'm going to say about your strategy for the duration of this game.
In post 188, PenguinPower wrote:I'm not trying to discredit you, but I'm also not having this discussion in this game. Happy to participate in that discussion later on, but your claims that you have found an "optimal play" and have "broken the setup" are egotistical and unproven via stats. Once you can back up your arrogance, I'll follow along.
That's the last thing I'm going to say about your strategy for the duration of this game.
It's not a hardbreak, it's just an optimisation like the BP claim.
If I can prove it mathematically/computationally assuming random night actions, would that be better?
I can show all my assumptions on scum strategy and run the stats on each of Tracker/Doc, Tracker/JK, and Tracker/Cop.
I will wait for Toomai's...but thanks. Please respect what I said, and we can take this up later.
In post 241, Mathdino wrote:@Penguin: If you think what I'm doing is against the rules, you should take it up with the mod.
In post 1, Errantparabola wrote:- Play to your win condition. In this situation you should always be looking to win each game. For example, if you win two games, it will be treated as doing better than someone who won one game.
In post 22, Mathdino wrote:Also, unless we want to spend 3 different games arguing about Not_Mafia and Bambi and how to read them (combined with the fact that Bambi provably increases mafia winrate and Not_Mafia's reads are essentially = random), we should policy lynch one of them today or tomorrow just in case town loses.
In post 121, Mathdino wrote:i am more likely to roll town than scum in both future games
bambietta's presence reduces my likely winrate
thus if we're going to lynch bambi at all it needs to be before lylo
In post 123, Mathdino wrote:i mean there's also the fact that town is less likely to win this game with bambi around but that's beside the point
like in a normal 9p i'd also be advocating for policy lynching bambi/N_M but less so
In post 142, Mathdino wrote:if you expect me to play solely this game when there are explicitly 3 games in the mix...
In post 147, Mathdino wrote:policy lynches are justifiable in any context, they just happen to be even better in this setup
In post 241, Mathdino wrote:Hating meta is ridiculous. I have a fairly high rate of reading NSG off meta, and we were Team Mafia teammates, which has to count for something.
I don't hate meta...not a fan of your combination though.
You've taken every opportunity to discredit me for "not playing the game" without addressing how what I'm actually doing is coming from a scum agenda.
All 3 of those things are pro-town. The policy lynches just have extra bonus points because I get to choose who I play with when I likely roll town again.
So yeah, I'm forced to assume that you're voting me because you don't like how I play.
Oh, no, I don't like how you play. Insulting other players as you have is pretty weak. However, I didn't discredit you (though I think your "optimum" whatever is not), you have explicitly said that you weren't playing the game, and that now your vote on me is only if you "have to play the game." Further, your policy lynches are shit and insulting to the players that are in the game. Grow up a bit.
I'm voting you because you don't seem genuine in your stances at all. Get off your high horse and meta, and come back to the game.
In post 391, CheekyTeeky wrote:Ok so saying "my rationale" is pretty ambiguous. I at one point said you guys were just scum reading each other because you didn't agree with each others' playstyle.
Ok, but that wasn't your (at least stated) rationale for voting math.
In post 392, Mathdino wrote:PenguinPower voted me for "fuck your setup spec, your meta, your policy lynches, your egotism, and your overt unwillingness to play the game".
This is quite a good summary of where I was at. Well done.
In post 522, CheekyTeeky wrote:Well he promised us a vote and he lied. Lynch all liars right?
Sorry - I fell asleep.
In post 534, Not_Mafia wrote:And Penguin previously prevaricated pertaining to my posts, saying I had 12 when I had 11, I thought it was my 13th posts but I had been duped
You weren't duped by me. You had 12 posts when I said you did - ISO starts with post 0.
In post 555, Gamma Emerald wrote:What's the point of this post? I'd think if he actually was reveling in it it would be a bit more emotive, something like "Isn't it great how Mathdino is being PLed after advocating for one himself?" Maybe showy doesn't describe it best, it feels like he's going through a set of steps rather than actually making genuine jokes and such.
I mean..I don't agree. I don't really see how this is/feels any different than other games I've play with him.
What's yours? You still think Math is scum? There's a good 200 posts between your last one, so you obviously have some thoughts on the game now...right?
I don't have a hook to get off. I voted you partially as a counterwagon to nsg (both three votes at the time) to see what might happen and partially because you hadn't answered my question about nm (which you amazingly did 4 minutes after; hence the Beetlejuice gif). I din't like your interactions with nsg, so I'm content where I am.
Gamma is scumbecause he doesn't come across as acting natural and has no real stance on anyone. His points don't come across as valid and, yes there is fluff and that is what I see as scummy about Gamma. Initially I didn't suspect him because he was calling for votes on me in RVS, and that is totally alignment indicative. Since then, he's not trying too hard and feels very fluid. His dismissive reaction to being scum read is something scum could easily do to gain towncred (especially when not really in danger), and when Cheeky eluded to believing he was town he passively pushed back against her by having doubts about her alignment when asked, in contrast to how town often act of making a show of being pocketed etc.
Sorry, Cheeky, but that was a bunch of buzzwords and nonsense that anyone of any alignment could do. Gamma hasn't really engaged in anything, pushed NM for a weak reason, and his entire exchange with NSG feels fake. Especially putting her to an unannounced L-1 then finding a "reason" for unvoting a short few hours later. I don't see town.
His points don't come across as valid and, yes there is fluff and that is what I see as scummy about Gamma.
Terrible reason to scumread me I believe you definitely have seen me fluff as both alignments
Initially I didn't suspect him because he was calling for votes on me in RVS, and that is totally alignment indicative.
I don't get the point here.
Since then, he's not trying too hard and feels very fluid.
What's wrong with that?
His dismissive reaction to being scum read is something scum could easily do to gain towncred (especially when not really in danger)
When was this?
, and when Cheeky eluded to believing he was town he passively pushed back against her by having doubts about her alignment
See above
, when asked, in contrast to how town often act of making a show of being pocketed etc.
Sorry, Cheeky, but that was a bunch of buzzwords and nonsense that anyone of any alignment could do. Gamma hasn't really engaged in anything, pushed NM for a weak reason, and his entire exchange with NSG feels fake. Especially putting her to an unannounced L-1 then finding a "reason" for unvoting a short few hours later. I don't see town.
I'm baffled how you think my exchange with NSG was fake, I feel like that should have shone through as me really trying to sort her.
This whole case kinda feels like a stretch imo. VOTE: PenguinPower
You realize I was being somewhat condescending to show why Cheeky's towncase on you was not a good one, and that it was almost word-for-word what she wrote, except I change town to scum (and added a few modifications)? I'm not going to answer your point by point there...defensive though.
I completely feel like you exchange with NSG was fake, and it didn't shine through as you trying to sort her. It felt more like you want credit for suspecting her because she seems like an inevitable lynch with Math pushing as he is, and then realizing you put her at L-1 and unvoting. I'm baffled you don't how you don't think that.
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