Agree. 2 is a tracker variant (normally, the tracker also learns who the chosen character targetted).Mr Stoofer wrote:I just re-wrote the wiki definition of Watcher and thought I'd make this poll to ensure that my view is the generally accepted one.
My view is (1) - previously the wiki said (2).
What does a Watcher see?
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[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"](1), with or without knowing who targetted him[/quote]"Standard" watcher learns who targetted him - just knowing he was targetted is much less useful than the analog tracker variant knowing a player targetted someone but not who.[i]The hungry maw of Twilight snaps, but shall not have its fill,
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[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"][quote="Seol"][quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"](1), with or without knowing who targetted him[/quote]"Standard" watcher learns who targetted him - just knowing he was targetted is much less useful than the analog tracker variant knowing a player targetted someone but not who.[/quote]The "Standard" Watcher is used as both knowing and not knowing who targetted him. It's just what the mod preffered to pick. They're both perfectly fine roles.[/quote]They're both fine, but I hardly ever see the latter version. It isn't used nearly as regularly - "Watcher" virtuallyalwaysmeans they know who targetted their target. That's why I said that's the "standard" version, it's not a value judgment on either role.[i]The hungry maw of Twilight snaps, but shall not have its fill,
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It renders the wiki 'wrong' if they were successful. I'm not saying that's the way itThe Fonz wrote:
What the wiki said was what watcher had been considered to be, as far as i can make out, since the founding of the site (i actually read old games to confirm this). That a bunch of people came along and tried to redefine the role does not render the wiki 'wrong.'Xdaamno wrote:I voted 2, but I meant 1. I'm surprised that article has been incorrect for so long.
And yes, I know i'm in a minority of one here.shouldbe, but in this respect the Wiki is analagous to a dictionary. Dictionaries don't define language, they document it - similarly, the Wiki should use the definitions for roles as they are commonly understood.
That's why this thread was necessary - to ensure that the Wiki represented the Watcher as understood by the community, not just by Stoof. If you're in a minority of one, that doesn't make you wrong about what a Watcher should be - as long as you accept that you're 'wrong' about what a Watchercurrentlyis (wrong in inverted commas because a) you are under no illusions that your opinion and that of others differs and b) what is 'wrong' and 'right' here is not a matter of merit but consensus).
edit: My point here, clumsily made, is that 'wrong' isn't really the appropriate word here. More accurate to say that because a number of people redefined the Watcher to a role that makes more intuitive sense - one who watches their target, with the previous role already accounted for under the umbrella of Tracker - the Wiki was rendered not wrong, but out of date.[i]The hungry maw of Twilight snaps, but shall not have its fill,
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