Mini 1991: Taking Justice Into Our Own Hands (Town Win)

havingfitz · Post Post #4 (isolation #0) » Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:04 am

VOTE: Mumble

What?

havingfitz · Post Post #51 (isolation #1) » Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:53 am

In post 15, Lexa wrote:I'm down for the self-hammer

VOTE: Havo

In post 24, Lexa wrote:Why don't you want to draw out the d1, have more to look at once a scum flips?

???

VOTE: Lexa

Hello GNR...have you been away awhile?

havingfitz · Post Post #55 (isolation #2) » Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:31 am

In post 52, Lexa wrote:Hi fitz

what are you uncertain of?

Your post to Havo seemed to imply the town attitude of not rushing to end D1 so that we have more to look over. All the while you are supporting (and still are) his rather quick wagon. Which is on the verge (L-1 or 2?) of bringing D1 to an early end.

So it seems to me you are more interested in the negative...quick end of D1 then the alternative good situation you question Havo about.

havingfitz · Post Post #58 (isolation #3) » Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:53 am

Havo...have you ever made that DISCLAIMER before on MS?

havingfitz · Post Post #184 (isolation #4) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:34 am

V/la till Monday morning.

Noted

havingfitz · Post Post #254 (isolation #5) » Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:53 am

In post 252, rb wrote:What's everyone's thoughts on Luca Blight?

Why are you asking for thoughts on Luca over anyone else in the game?

My thoughts: They seem town. Not a lot to work with...only 4 posts, but a slight tr atm.

havingfitz · Post Post #255 (isolation #6) » Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:58 am

In post 250, Havo wrote:I’m not much on the Lexa wagon.

I’d like to hear more from Alexcellent and Fitz tbh.

About anything in particular or just because we (my v/LA aside) don't have a lot of posts yet?

You don't suspect anyone enough to place a vote yet?

Do you think "intentionally trying to be neutral" is AI?

havingfitz · Post Post #268 (isolation #7) » Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:14 am

In post 261, numberQ wrote:
In post 254, havingfitz wrote:
In post 252, rb wrote:What's everyone's thoughts on Luca Blight?
Why are you asking for thoughts on Luca over anyone else in the game?
Why are you asking about this post over everything else in the game?

I noticed rb's question and I was curious. That's how I operate...if I see something I'm curious about I ask. Some things you might find curious I might not and vice versa.

What "else" is going on in the game that you were wanting my opinion on?

In post 261, numberQ wrote:But seriously, what are you hoping to gain from rb answering this?

Understanding why he felt the need to ask other people what their read on Luca was. Luca of 4 posts. Luca who he has a slight town read on. Why not ask about someone he suspects? Hence my question.

Your weakass shade is shady.

havingfitz · Post Post #297 (isolation #8) » Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:40 am

Luca, Havo and Papa:

What are your reads on Lexa and Mumble?

havingfitz · Post Post #304 (isolation #9) » Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:11 am

UNVOTE:

havingfitz · Post Post #306 (isolation #10) » Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:55 am

In post 305, Papa Zito wrote:
In post 304, havingfitz wrote:UNVOTE:
whyzat

I thought her reads post was worth not being at L-2.
And I want to peruse a few other players.

havingfitz · Post Post #308 (isolation #11) » Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:07 am

In post 307, Papa Zito wrote:Just a coincidence that her giant wall led her to hop on the largest opposing wagon amirite

She was the first non-rvs vote on Mumble. And her vote on Alexcellent wasn't going anywhere. Not even sure how serious that vote was. And now he's a tr for Lexa. So I've no problem with the move to Mumble.

I just need to look a few people over in iso before I revote.

havingfitz · Post Post #311 (isolation #12) » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:02 am

The fact she was exerting some effort.
I thought her final reads list was decent with the exception of my position on it.
The more in depth opinionations will require a more in depth review when able.

What did you think of it aside from the move to Mumble?

havingfitz · Post Post #321 (isolation #13) » Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:38 pm

In post 318, Lexa wrote:Is effort posting enough to shift your opinion of someone?

no. But enough based on your reads for me to step you back a bit from getting lynched while I figure what I want to do next. Which could be putting my vote back where it was. idk.

havingfitz · Post Post #323 (isolation #14) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:28 am

In post 322, rb wrote:wait why does someone's reads make you think theyre not scum?

I'm not saying Lexa can't be scum.

I'm saying I don't want to leave her at L-2 while I consider her comments and look at others.

And her reads are close in line with my current mindset (minus me), so that synchronization is something I consider as well.

havingfitz · Post Post #325 (isolation #15) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:39 am

I'll place it soon. I wanna look 5 or 6 isos over first.

havingfitz · Post Post #327 (isolation #16) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:53 am

Spoiler: Mumble ISO

I do not recall playing with Mumble. For some reason I get the impression he is lynchbait? idk.

I do not see anything too scummy in his posts. It looks like he is trying to sort a player out with a little pressure and it snowballed from there. He does do it in a slightly annoying manner but nothing I see as scummy.

Mumble is a town lean for me at this point.

Spoiler: GNR ISO

Pretty shit ISO from GNR. Two questionable votes IMO putting players close to lynch...no reasons other than essentially gut. Lurkish. Has logged in on MS as recently as this morning but no comments in here since Sunday morning. Due prod within the next 15 minutes.

GNR can be in my scum pool.

I'll do Lexa ISO next along with any others I can, time permitting.

havingfitz · Post Post #331 (isolation #17) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:20 am

In post 330, Mumble wrote:
In post 327, havingfitz wrote:Mumble is a town lean for me at this point.
I thought you said Lexa's read list was in line with yours except for your positioning? Pretty sure she has me as her top scum read.

That was before I ISOd you. Hence change in that read.

havingfitz · Post Post #333 (isolation #18) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:44 am

In post 332, Mumble wrote:
In post 331, havingfitz wrote:That was before I ISOd you. Hence change in that read.
So what was it that made you strongly scumread me prior to ISOing me?

Poe...you weren't among the people I was considering town. I still needed to give you a closer look. So Lexa having you as a scum read was not something I was opposed to at that time pending said closer look.

havingfitz · Post Post #336 (isolation #19) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:58 am

In post 334, Papa Zito wrote:In other news I could use some friends with me on this wagon.

Could you explain your reasons for voting Cedrick?

havingfitz · Post Post #350 (isolation #20) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:50 pm

In post 348, Papa Zito wrote:4 straight posts with so many words and so little content

Sometimes it's just that easy.

This post had me laughing.

havingfitz · Post Post #451 (isolation #21) » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:40 am

Spoiler: Lexa ISO

OK…I still don’t like Lexa. Nothing personal mind you.
I don’t care for the things I initially suspected her for. Additionally, I think she’s coming across as overly defensive and unnecessarily emotional. While the wall post catchup was enough to give me pause for consideration…after further consideration I don’t feel any differently. And in light of tr’ing Mumble the Mumble Lexa content doesn’t favor Lexa. I didn’t agree with her misrep accusations towards NQ. It feels like she has a connection towards Cedrick. I need to look that slot over.

Pause rescinded.

VOTE: Lexa

havingfitz · Post Post #468 (isolation #22) » Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:48 am

In post 395, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 304, havingfitz wrote:UNVOTE:
doesn't post for ages and comes back unvoting 5 minutes after a massive wall and moving on to other things.

“for ages?” What does any of this post have to do with anything? I posted earlier that day and several times afterwards. And a few times Sunday. Are my post time patterns suspect to you?

In post 395, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 333, havingfitz wrote:
In post 332, Mumble wrote:
In post 331, havingfitz wrote:That was before I ISOd you. Hence change in that read.
So what was it that made you strongly scumread me prior to ISOing me?
Poe...you weren't among the people I was considering town. I still needed to give you a closer look. So Lexa having you as a scum read was not something I was opposed to at that time pending said closer look.
who was town before? because i am having trouble getting solid townreads atm. strange place to be at.

If I recall correctly…at this point in the game I was leaning town (before any closer inspection) on NSG, rb, Alexcellent, and Awoo.

At this point in the game here’s where I’m at:

NSG, rb, Zito, Mumble are town leans.
Eddie, Alexcellent, Awoo are weaker townleans
Luca and Havo are nulls
Cedrick and GNR are suspect
Lexa is suspect enough to vote.

I’ll give all the players closer once overs as time permits…from suspect to not.

havingfitz · Post Post #470 (isolation #23) » Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:50 am

In post 452, Cedrick wrote:Your progression doesn't seem genuine to me.

Please elaborate. Deconstruct.

havingfitz · Post Post #472 (isolation #24) » Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:48 am

In post 471, Cedrick wrote:I didn't think you had a good reason to even scum read her

I started the Lexa wagon and it's been up to L-2 and you never raised any issue with it before. Why not? I would assume you had an opinion since the Lexa and Mumble wagons have been the two main wagons for this day. What don't you like? That I found her comments towards Havo and support of his wagon to be in conflict with each other? I.e...to not make sense...to be a suspicious "progression"...

How do you feel about the reasons the other players voting Lexa have given?

In post 471, Cedrick wrote:your "pause" looked fake to me, like you wanted to appear town trying to reconsider. It looked fake cause your reason for it wasn't very good

How does someone fake a pause? Do you think stepping back from an L-2 wagon to consider things over is townish? And if so...why prescribe that my doing it is fake and not from town? If not....why not?
Iirc my reasons to back off Lexa's L-2 wagon were to consider her effort post that at first glance seemed in line with where a lot of my reads on people were. How is that reason not good?

In post 471, Cedrick wrote:Your hop back on looks opportunistic because how we have somebody pushing harder for her lynch, and since your reasons for scum reading her and for giving her "pause" cancel each other out, you are basically back on it for things that I personally have seen town do more often then scum.

LOLIYF.... First off...I've noticed you use the term hop a few times. Is that a negative connotation you are placing on the act of placing a vote? Are all votes "hops?" I consider it a form of vote shading.
Opportunistic....more shade! What is opportunistic about voting a wagon I started that was being supported just fine when I "paused," and is the same size now as when I got off it? smh...

And how are you seeing my reasons for suspecting Lexa as being cancelled out by my pause? I'm pretty sure neither has cancelled out anything because I still suspect her.

In post 471, Cedrick wrote:you are basically back on it for things that I personally have seen town do more often then scum.

So you've seen scum do the things I suspect Lexa for? Excellent. So you're saying there's a chance??????
Short of a smoking gun that identifies Lexa as scum...what would separate her actions as town from scum? Nothing.
So short of a a smoking gun that identifies someone as scum should we never suspect anyone?
Would my suspicions carry more weight with you if they were based on gut, tone or POE?

In post 471, Cedrick wrote:I am also not really a fan of that whole iso thing you did because I don't really feel that is an effective way of scum hunting because they just show you not liking posts, they don't really include good analysis as to why those posts make them scum, doesn't show where the scum intent is.

I couldn't care less. I do the ISO's for me to help establish my reads on players. You don't like it...ignore it. At a minimum it lets people (should they choose to read them) have a "surface level" insight into how I am perceiving another player's posting.

And ironically yours is next

havingfitz · Post Post #474 (isolation #25) » Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:19 am

In post 473, Cedrick wrote:Let's get something straight. Just because you voted her first, doesn't mean you started the wagon.

Well thanks for clarifying that!

So who did start the Lexa wagon? And what do you think of their reasons?

In post 473, Cedrick wrote:Post 62 I tell somebody else that the contradiction you supposedly found wasn't really a contradiction. I didn't dwell on it though cause that definitely isn't lynch worthy and I never would dream somebody would actually use that as a reason to scum read somebody.

Ah so. You did make a comment wrt to Lexa (in response to being asked). And you didn’t say it really wasn’t a contradiction…you said “idk if it is”.

How is lobbying for a player to consider the benefits of having a long day while actively efforting to end the day for that same player not a contradiction?

In post 473, Cedrick wrote:I can't believe you actually asked me how somebody can fake a pause. That is super easy. Unvote for some lame reason making it look like you are actually reconsidering, re-vote later for the same or more poor reasons, especially if the wagon seems to be growing or increasing in popularity.

TADA. you have just faked a pause.

You are painting a misleading picture here.
First…you infer an ad-hom attacking my asking of a question. I.e. “I can’t believe you asked” = how stupid can you be. Let's get something straight… pause is a pause…whether is being done by scum or town. It can’t be fake.

The reasons on the other hand could be. But they aren’t here.
Second…you shade my unvote/pause saying it was for lame reasons. Why were my reasons lame?
How do my actions (ex. ISO of Mumble and Lexa and GNR and re-vote on Lexa) leave any doubt there was re-consideration taking place?
How was the Lexa wagon growing or increasing in popularity? There were no new slots on the wagon. I rejoined it right where I left off. No more and no less votes. The only thing in the game that had changed was Eddie joining (and maintaining NQ’s Lexa vote). Which was not even a consideration to me as I ISO’d Lexa as I came into the game this morning and went straight into my Lexa ISO. I had no knowledge of Eddie’s reads/opinions until after I’d posted my Lexa ISO/vote. I didn’t even realize he had joined the game until I got to the Lexa post that said “Hi Eddie.”
Summary - the reasons you are ascribing to my pause being fake are a load of crap.

In post 473, Cedrick wrote:I mean your pause could have been legit, but I don't really feel it was but I concede I could be wrong. only time will tell.

Recap - the reasons you are ascribing to my pause being fake are a load of crap.

In post 473, Cedrick wrote:I used the term hop in 179 and 471. For me, To hop means to jump. in terms of mafia, It's voting somebody, especially somebody who already has votes for poor or lack of reasons. Opportunistic votes are votes I would classify as a hop. I feel like both of my usese are spot on.

Right…so you are using hop and opportunistic to shade perfectly acceptable actions. It feels like you are very interested in protecting Lexa.

In post 473, Cedrick wrote:I have seen scum do things lexa has done, but I have seen town do it way more. This makes it null because there is no real scum intent behind it. Being defensive and emotional is more of a personal playstyle. there are players on site who are very emotional and defensive when under pressure, they do it as both town and scum. If you want to make a case that lex is only emotional and defensive as scum I will gladly listen to that. Go find me examples and I will reconsider my stance on that issue but until you do that, it remains null.

I’m not meta’ing Lexa. If anyone else has experience with her and wants to chime in fine. FWIW it appears Eddie has experience and he’s voting her. Not sure of the reasons as I type this but perhaps he can opine on the matter.

How do you feel about Eddie voting Lexa?

In post 473, Cedrick wrote:"so you are telling me there is a chance" is weak. if you are town I definitely expect more/better from you, That is basically are saying you are flipping a coin on her alignment.

It was an homage to a line from “Dumb and Dumber”…something I’m sure a few people might think is appropriate to this discussion.

Why do you say this “if you are town

I definitely expect more/better from you

”…I do not recall having ever played with you.

In post 473, Cedrick wrote:I do not really like your response/defense of your actions so I stand by my opinion that if lex flips town, you look like a good candidate for scum on the wagon.

Well…I don’t like your defense of Lexa or your criticisms of my intentions. You look like a good candidate for scum regardless of Lexa’s flip. But moreso if she’s scum.

havingfitz · Post Post #482 (isolation #26) » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:42 pm

In post 477, Lexa wrote:
In post 474, havingfitz wrote:[
How is lobbying for a player to consider the benefits of having a long day while actively efforting to end the day for that same player not a contradiction?
Is this seriously your read on a day 1 vote?

That's not a read. It's my assessment of something you did. It contributes to my read. And you yourself say it was a fair interpretation.

havingfitz · Post Post #498 (isolation #27) » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:53 pm

1) I'm tr'ing Mumble.
2) I believe a straight doc claim more than odd night watcher.
3) That Mumble wagon is terribad.

havingfitz · Post Post #524 (isolation #28) » Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:48 am

In post 495, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 488, Lexa wrote:Don't give a shot about counterclaim you're just lying
How can you be so sure he's lying?

And it is a bit weird how you stated your role as if it was poof he's scum.

^ this

She can't be sure and she's full of shit. Look at that claim exchange...Mumble's claim looks totally genuine whereas Lexa knows she's history if she doesn't do the same. Smh...

Lexa needs more votes.

havingfitz · Post Post #525 (isolation #29) » Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:02 am

In post 510, Eddie Cane wrote:what do you make of fitz having a literal clone of my reads list?

Eddie...what does the fact our reads are similar matter?

Are you so impressed with yourself that you actually think I would sheep your reads to make you suspect me less?

If so....thanks for a good laugh. Seriously...I had a good laugh and I thank you for it.

If not...then what?

As for my reads...I think they were pretty evident before I made that reads list. I had explicitly stated Lexa and GNR were suspect to me. In my Lexa ISO and its summary I mention a connection to Cedrick. So those three as suspects is par for my content.

I had stated that my reads were similar to Lexa's which infers my general feeling towards others I had yet to mention.
I subsequently ISO'd Mumble and decided he was a town lean for me which took him out of my suspect pool.
And Papa Zito has moved up the last few days from null to town as his content has improved.

Not sure there are any reads of mine that have changed to "clone" yours. lol

havingfitz · Post Post #526 (isolation #30) » Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:03 am

In post 524, havingfitz wrote:
In post 495, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 488, Lexa wrote:Don't give a shot about counterclaim you're just lying
How can you be so sure he's lying?

And it is a bit weird how you stated your role as if it was poof he's scum.
^ this

She can't be sure and she's full of shit. Look at that claim exchange...Mumble's claim looks totally genuine whereas Lexa knows she's history if she doesn't do the same. Smh...

Lexa needs more votes.

^^^^^^

havingfitz · Post Post #530 (isolation #31) » Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:30 am

In post 529, Papa Zito wrote:My issue with both claims is they were done at L-2 with no players expressing intent to move to either wagon

Luca had said he'd probably be voting Mumble. I.e. putting at L-1.

havingfitz · Post Post #532 (isolation #32) » Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:41 am

In post 531, Papa Zito wrote:I missed that I suppose. Even so without the vote cast and without someone declaring intent it's premature.

Has more reason to be made than the LoLexa claim.

havingfitz · Post Post #540 (isolation #33) » Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:56 am

Lol...Lexa votes please.

havingfitz · Post Post #542 (isolation #34) » Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:01 am

Papa Zito...you think Cedrick is scum.

Look how hard he is defending Lexa.

I'd vote Cedrick if I thought that would fly today but I'm more confident in Lexa. Vote Lexa today and if I'm here tomorrow I'll support your Cedrick wagon.

P.edit...you don't make the rules Cedrick.

havingfitz · Post Post #557 (isolation #35) » Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:01 am

In post 527, Cedrick wrote:That's a stupid post and imo proves you are just conf.biased or scum.

What is stupid about my post? Because I point out there is no way Lexa can KNOW Mumble is lying...that's stupid? That's conf bias? Because I think Lexa...who's claim was bad...you even say so YOURSELF...had to claim in response to the Mumble claim because she knew it could sway town towards her wagon? Please explain how anything I say in my post is stupid or proves confbias. LOL...I think your comments are more indicative of what you accuse me of. smh....

In post 527, Cedrick wrote:The right play is to not lynch either and let night actions resolve.

"Pleasepleaseplease don't lynch my scum partner Lexa!!!!" is what I hear. Is Lexa a powerful Scum PR? Roleblocker maybe? Hate to lose her D1? lol....

And you keep screaming like chicken little "Fitz wants to lynch a PR"....well where is your precious Lexa voting at the moment?
And where was your common sense when you were saying you would hammer Havo earlier this day even though you were not convinced they were scum.

And you even say yourself that claims don't factor into your decisions because "YOU CAN'T REALLY TRUST ANYONE'S CLAIM!!!!!" But you'll trust a bad claim (according to you) for a useless role (according to you)......lol. People need to read this exchange. You are awesome Cedrick. Awesomely scummy.

In post 527, Cedrick wrote:It's completely possible for Lexa to be town and think mumbles is lying. I have played games where somebody claimed a role that I felt didn't belong with my role.

How does doctor not fit with a watcher in the game? Because Lexa threw in a modifier? No.

In post 527, Cedrick wrote:If anything doctor is the smarter fake claim. Nobody wants to lynch the doctor day 1. Watcher is a useless role most of the time.

So because Lexa's claim is "useless" it's more likely to be true? lol....how about it's the best she could come up with. And what do you care... because "YOU CAN'T REALLY TRUST ANYONE'S CLAIM!!!!!" Watcher is a great scum claim....what happens if Lexa is not lynched and she is still here tomorrow? Uhhhh da herp de durp...uhhhhh I watched (fill in the blank) and no one visited them. Maybe I'll find someone N3

ladedadeda.

In post 527, Cedrick wrote:Neither played how I'd expect a PR to play and both claims were done in a terrible manner. You can't say with certainty that one is legit over the other without bias of your exsisting reads.

Mumble had an intent to place at L-1 late last night. How does he know he survives through the night if Luca puts him at L-1 while he Mumble is AFK? His claim was warranted.
Lexa on the other had has what apparently to her is some sort of counter claim to Mumble (lol) and despite not having anyone's intent to join her wagon...inserts claim. Granted...I think there was a fear of shifting from Mumle to Lexa which was the real reason the claim happened. A PR claim was the only thing that might save Lexa. And a shit claim it was.

In post 527, Cedrick wrote: You believe mumbles but thought he was town I believe Lexa but thought he was town.

I do not automatically believe every claim I see. I believe Mumble's because how the context it was placed in and the tone in his posts.
Why do you believe Lexa when "YOU CAN'T REALLY TRUST ANYONE'S CLAIM!!!!!"

In post 527, Cedrick wrote:Leave them both alone and let scum kill whoever is real and then we discuss after that. It's possible both are town. I can't remember is there a way to check completed games easily?

"Pleasepleaseplease don't lynch my scum partner Lexa!!!!" is what I hear. Is Lexa a powerful Scum PR? Roleblocker maybe? Hate to lose her D1? lol....
You can check archives. What will that do for you?

havingfitz · Post Post #558 (isolation #36) » Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:09 am

In post 553, Eddie Cane wrote:my reads was the EXACT same as yours, not "similar". I don't know why it took you 10 lines to reply to that with a falsehood, but my reads list is virtually identical to yours. that's not strange to you?

Are they exact? I haven't compared. I know they are close.

So fypov it's either...
1) a coincidence or
2) I did it (lol) on purpose (lol)

The answer is 1 btw.
Strange? A little but not given the lineup imo. Others might also have similar/exact reads with you or someone else. I'm sure it happens.

havingfitz · Post Post #563 (isolation #37) » Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:15 am

Cedrick...just ignore the points you can't tapdance out of and give shit logic in the answers you do deem reply worthy.

Mmmkay?

havingfitz · Post Post #569 (isolation #38) » Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:18 am

In post 561, Cedrick wrote:Fitz says he supports my lynch but only after we lynch a Pr claim. Sorry that is never a town mindset especially day 1

"And you even say yourself that claims don't factor into your decisions because "YOU CAN'T REALLY TRUST ANYONE'S CLAIM!!!!!" But you'll trust a bad claim (according to you) for a useless role (according to you)......lol. People need to read this exchange. You are awesome Cedrick. Awesomely scummy.

"

havingfitz · Post Post #571 (isolation #39) » Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:20 am

In post 568, Cedrick wrote:Any argument that supports lynching a Pr claim day 1 is shit logic.

By this ligic you think Lexa is scum.

Also..."you even say yourself that claims don't factor into your decisions because "YOU CAN'T REALLY TRUST ANYONE'S CLAIM!!!!!" But you'll trust a bad claim (according to you) for a useless role (according to you)......lol. People need to read this exchange. You are awesome Cedrick. Awesomely scummy.

"

havingfitz · Post Post #573 (isolation #40) » Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:24 am

In post 572, Cedrick wrote:It doesn’t matter if I trust or don’t trust a claim.

YOU SHOULD NEVER LYNCH A PR CLAIM DAY 1 AND ANYONE PUSHING THAT AGENDA IS SCUM OR A DETRIMENT TO THE GAME.

Claims don't factor into your decisions. Remember?

Lexa is voting Mumble...so she's scum...right? Lol

havingfitz · Post Post #576 (isolation #41) » Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:28 am

In post 574, Cedrick wrote:I’m not arguing with you anymore. I town read Lexa so I trust her over mumbles but that doesn’t mean mumbles isn’t telling the truth and I’m wrong on Lexa. I can’t make an unbiased decision and neither can you (if you are town)

Smart play is let mafia decide what to do. If both are alive tomorrow we will deal with that also.

Nobody especially you is going to convince me it’s a good idea to lynch a Pr claim. I think mumbles is probably lying and I won’t even agree to that lynch.

So you go do you. I’ll do me and we’ll see what is what day 2 and beyond.

So claims don't factor into your decisions because you can't trust them.

Why did you unvote Mimble?
Why am I scum for using the same logic you espouse?

havingfitz · Post Post #577 (isolation #42) » Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:30 am

In post 575, Luca Blight wrote:He was a lot more standoffish in that, certainly never pushing as hard as he is here.

My push is tied to my confidence. Usually happens later in games. Confidence came early this game.

havingfitz · Post Post #583 (isolation #43) » Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:40 am

In post 580, Cedrick wrote:
In post 576, havingfitz wrote:Why did you unvote Mimble?
Why am I scum for using the same logic you espouse?
Cause I’m not voting a claimed PR day 1 even if I don’t believe him.
Cause you are advocating lynching a claimed or day 1. (Other reasons previously mentioned also but that’s the thing that confirmed it for me.)

You left this out of my quote:
"So claims don't factor into your decisions because you can't trust them."

havingfitz · Post Post #584 (isolation #44) » Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:42 am

In post 581, Cedrick wrote:
In post 579, Papa Zito wrote:fitz you're spending a lot of energy on a slot that you've called scum a couple times now but your vote hasn't moved and that gives me what the experts call "the heebie jeebies"
I already called it. He even said it himself. He rather lynch a Pr claim over me.

If the Lexa wagon dissolves I'd vote you without a concern.

havingfitz · Post Post #585 (isolation #45) » Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:45 am

In post 579, Papa Zito wrote:fitz you're spending a lot of energy on a slot that you've called scum a couple times now but your vote hasn't moved and that gives me what the experts call "the heebie jeebies"

I'm confident Lexa isscum.
A bad watcher claim isn't going to change my opinion.
I've ststed I would vote Cedrick if that wagon had a chance. Still prefer Lexa.

havingfitz · Post Post #587 (isolation #46) » Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:49 am

Hey Cedrick..claims don't factor into your decisions.

If I'm scum for wanting Lexa still lynched what's that do to your reads on Eddie, Mumble and Lexa?

havingfitz · Post Post #594 (isolation #47) » Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:22 am

In post 589, Eddie Cane wrote:If that is true, what are your current thoughts as of this post wrt Lexa? How confident you are in your push, how confident you are in their flip.

I am extremely confident Lexa is scum.

I'm not big on D1 histrionics but if you look at games where I strongly believe someone is scum...my play is similar. I.e. aggressive and annoying as fcuk.

Self meta alert!!! Not my scumplay style at all.

Cedrick meanwhile in his unabashed defense of Lexa has resorted personal attacks and dismissiveness. Si he can be Lexa's partner.

havingfitz · Post Post #601 (isolation #48) » Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:01 am

Spoiler: Cedrick ISO

Conclusion? Cedrick is scum. No town hard defends a player as much as Cedrick does virtually from his 3rd post of the game until now. His suspicions towards others (papa zito, Eddie, Mumble, me) have either been at best omgus or chainsawing. He uses the same actions or opinions to justify both sides of a read (i.e. which ever suits him best) and he would rather dismiss conversation than address voiced concerns/positions.

I am convinced Lexa is scum. I think she is scum and if she isn't the lynch today...I will work to remove her tomorrow.
I think Cedrick is scum. I just cannot see town hard defending someone on D1 and hard as he has...even before Lexa's fakeclaim.
GNR feels more like a policy lynch. Which in lieu of a Lexa or Cedrick lynch I would be ok with. His ISO is crap...he's absent and providing no benefit to town if he is town. And afaict this is his only game and while he saw fit to log onto the site just this morning...he couldn't be bothered to opinionate on game events. So lynching GNR would feel nice...but I would not be surprised if the third scum was in a null or townread (fmpov).

So staying on Lexa until a Cedrick wagon develops or possibly a GNR one. Anyone else I would need to do a deep dive on before considering.

havingfitz · Post Post #604 (isolation #49) » Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:21 am

In post 602, Eddie Cane wrote:is scum!Derrick reliant on scum!lexa? or is it an independent scumread

Cedrick could be scum regardless of Lexa flip.

havingfitz · Post Post #669 (isolation #50) » Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:39 am

In post 603, Eddie Cane wrote:actually, here. rank these in order of likelihood please

1) svs
2) the
3/4) each one scum other town

Assuming #2 is tvt...

4) Lexa scum Mumble town
1) svs

3) Mumble scum Lexa town
2) tvt

In post 603, Eddie Cane wrote: it isn't too late to shove a lexa lynch through, btw.

Works for me!

havingfitz · Post Post #670 (isolation #51) » Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:42 am

In post 605, Cedrick wrote:So you are losing the argument so you decide to resort to lying?

I'm not losing shit. You're the one that keep flying the french flag and crying about not engaging me anymore.

Nice MISREP on saying I am lying.

Lexa is scum.

You have defended Lexa since your 3rd post in the game. That is a fact. And you're full of shit regardless of your alignment which IMO is scum along with Lexa.

havingfitz · Post Post #671 (isolation #52) » Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:48 am

In post 607, Cedrick wrote:
In post 604, havingfitz wrote:
In post 602, Eddie Cane wrote:is scum!Derrick reliant on scum!lexa? or is it an independent scumread
Cedrick could be scum regardless of Lexa flip.
So why aren’t you voting me?

If I forgot. You said you’d rather lynch a claimed Pr over me.

Carry on

There's a game concept where people vote the ones they suspect the most. I'm more sure of Lexa than you. Understand?

An odd night watcher claim means shit to me because it a useless role (your own words)...her claim was terrible (your own words)...you can't trust claims (your own words)...and they should factor into decisions (your own words). All in context IMO though. Some claims are better than others and deserve consideration. Not Lexa's IMO. A claim should automatically save a scum suspect.

How the hell does Lexa's claim indicate she is town and how in the world does it conclusively prove she is telling the truth? It doesn't and can't. She claims a lame ass no result tomorrow and you going to keep her alive until D4? No fcuking way. What if she is a powerful mafia PR? Sucks for town. What if she is a weak ass town pr that is lynched D1. Town will survive. I'm betting on scenario 1.

Don't carry on.

havingfitz · Post Post #672 (isolation #53) » Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:49 am

EBWOP:

and they should

not

factor into decisions (your own words).

havingfitz · Post Post #673 (isolation #54) » Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:51 am

In post 610, rb wrote:Derrick just seems like dumbtown to me

possssssibly......minuscule chance.

In post 611, rb wrote:Id rather do northsidegal

Not seeing this at all. Why? Any actual reasons?

havingfitz · Post Post #674 (isolation #55) » Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:01 am

In post 612, Cedrick wrote:Fitz has been on this site long enough

You can't use this to support a negative and at the same time dismiss my suspicions which should be enforced by the same token by "on this site long enough." This is an example of the point I made where you use the same action/comment/opinion as a positive or negative to support you flawed points (aka defenses of Lexa).

In post 612, Cedrick wrote:P.edit please don’t call me dumb.

This is hilarious given your propensity, iirc, for ad-homing players.

havingfitz · Post Post #675 (isolation #56) » Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:02 am

In post 618, Eddie Cane wrote:you said to me that you playing differently than me (not lynching claims) doesn't make you bad, and now it makes people bad for being alright lynching a claim? backwards asf bro :/

^

havingfitz · Post Post #676 (isolation #57) » Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:05 am

In post 623, Cedrick wrote:He CCs and now he’s basically confirmed scum? Sorry that is suspicious.

There was a CC? Where? I missed it? lol

I was suspecting Lexa before her claim. I know you know this because you were defending her att. Her claim just adds to my suspicion of her. Is Lexa confirmed scum? Not 100%. But she's close enough for me to give her my vote.

havingfitz · Post Post #677 (isolation #58) » Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:08 am

In post 628, Cedrick wrote:Fitz actually said me scum reading him for pushing to lynch a Pr claim over a non Pr claim was me defending Lexa. How?

I’m against BOTH being lynched and I scum read mumble. That’s not defending anyone. It’s pointing out the bizarreness

You keep on saying you aren't defending Lexa.

If there are any town that disagree with this assessment please raise your hand lol.

Delusional.

And if you continued trying to lynch doc claim Mumble (like Lexa is if you hadn't noticed)...you wouldn't have a leg to stand on in saying people shouldn't lynch watch claim Lexa. Ergo you are defending her.

havingfitz · Post Post #678 (isolation #59) » Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:12 am

In post 630, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 601, havingfitz wrote:
I think Cedrick is scum. I just cannot see town hard defending someone on D1 and hard as he has...even before Lexa's fakeclaim.

In that case why are you townreading Cane when he's been doing the same for Mumble?

Has Eddie defended Mumble to the same extent Cedrick has Lexa? I haven't compared. I know he town reads Mumble and has stated he thinks Mumble is town based on meta. And iirc Eddie suspects Lexa for meta. Was that right?

And I, independently of anyone else's views, am townreading Mumble. And I think his claim is genuine. So I'm not likely to suspect someone who also thinks a tr of mine is town.

havingfitz · Post Post #679 (isolation #60) » Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:16 am

In post 636, Cedrick wrote:
In post 635, Eddie Cane wrote:once again, what are you waiting for? like what do you want to happen that will make you decide whether or not to lynch lexa or mumble tomorrow?
More information.

First - I disagree scum is going to leave both alive. It’s possible they do especially if one is actually scum but the entire point of fake claiming is self preservation and trying to get a cc.

Second - wagon analysis would give me more things to consider. Getting people to focus elsewhere and scum hunt some more will probably be more difficult for scum.

You get more information regardless of who is lynched. duh.

1st) "It's possible" So you're saying there's a chance. Imagine that.
2nd) There's no wagon analysis if Lexa is lynched?

havingfitz · Post Post #680 (isolation #61) » Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:17 am

In post 661, Papa Zito wrote:
In post 658, Lexa wrote:eddie i'm not power towning for 14 day cycles lol
The way you've disappeared recently is really concerning.

^

havingfitz · Post Post #681 (isolation #62) » Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:19 am

Ski weekend commences in 2 hours.

v/LA until Monday

havingfitz · Post Post #684 (isolation #63) » Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:46 am

In post 682, Cedrick wrote:
In post 670, havingfitz wrote:Nice MISREP on saying I am lying.
You did lie and I pointed the lies out. So no misrep

You're terrible. Saying you are hard defendind Lexa is not a lie. It's my opinion. If you deny you had defended her this entire game you are a delusional liar yourself. Take away the term hard defended if it knots your panties. Fact remains you've defended her the entire game.

havingfitz · Post Post #686 (isolation #64) » Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:48 am

In post 683, Cedrick wrote:Now fitz is going to fake a v/la.

I don't fake v/las asshat.

havingfitz · Post Post #688 (isolation #65) » Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:54 am

Papa Zito's in a good place.

havingfitz · Post Post #692 (isolation #66) » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:02 am

Lol....did you defend Lexa in your 3rd post?

Have you defended her this entire game...since your 3rd post?

Are you cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs?

havingfitz · Post Post #698 (isolation #67) » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:17 am

In post 62, Cedrick wrote:
In post 54, numberQ wrote:For example, fitz caught Lexa in a contradiction

idk if i'd say that was a contradiction by lexa

In post 694, Cedrick wrote:
In post 692, havingfitz wrote:Lol....did you defend Lexa in your 3rd post?
No I didnt

Yes you did.

In post 695, Cedrick wrote:
In post 692, havingfitz wrote:Have you defended her this entire game...since your 3rd post?
No I didn’t

Yes you have.

havingfitz · Post Post #700 (isolation #68) » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:20 am

In post 696, Cedrick wrote:
I’d really appreciate it if people not refer to me as insane or crazy. Joking about mental health issues isn’t appreciated. Thank you

How about thin skinned or asshat? Delusional ok? This is a game. I have empathy for mental illness and even donated $100 last year to my state's mental illness foundation. Do I think you are crazy or insane? Noooo? Just full of shit. Grow some skin.

havingfitz · Post Post #702 (isolation #69) » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:22 am

In post 699, Cedrick wrote:yet more people town read mumble. Why?

Cause he's town?

havingfitz · Post Post #704 (isolation #70) » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:24 am

In post 701, Cedrick wrote:You are too experienced to say it is.

But not experienced enough to know scum when I see it? ok.

havingfitz · Post Post #709 (isolation #71) » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:29 am

In post 705, Cedrick wrote:You can’t know he’s town. His play doesn’t suggest he is town.

I don't know Mumble is town. I don't think I said I did. I suspected him before taking a closer look at him. After which he came across more town than scum. Read my ISO of him and my summary. Is is a closed book confirmation he is town? No. But I think he is town. I have suspected Lexa. I doubt they are scum together.

I'm not 100% sure of anyone's alignment in this game other than mine.

Just flying by the keys of my keyboard I'd say:
I'd call Lexa a >90% scumread.
I'd call Mumble a >70% townread.
I'd call Cedrick >70% scumread.

havingfitz · Post Post #712 (isolation #72) » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:31 am

In post 706, Cedrick wrote:There is no way you can go from I think mumble is town to I know he is

Where do I say I know Mumble is town? Quote please.

havingfitz · Post Post #716 (isolation #73) » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:34 am

In post 703, Cedrick wrote:
In post 702, havingfitz wrote:
In post 699, Cedrick wrote:yet more people town read mumble. Why?
Cause he's town?
Scum slip?

lol...just saw this. Is this the "I KNOW he is town" you are referring to?

Yep...you got me. I scum slipped that Mumble is actually town. So does that mean he's clear in your book now?

havingfitz · Post Post #718 (isolation #74) » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:36 am

Hey Cedrick.

Squirrel!

havingfitz · Post Post #719 (isolation #75) » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:37 am

In post 711, Cedrick wrote:Please stop talking to me. Go skiing or whatever

I have no objection to this post. I will take you up on this advice...and only this advice. tyvm

havingfitz · Post Post #721 (isolation #76) » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:40 am

In post 104, Cedrick wrote:You can’t really trust anyone’s claims so that wouldn’t really factor in to my decision.

In post 715, Cedrick wrote:Yes I do value PRs. If they aren’t useful what’s the point?

Disclaimer...I'm not talking to you Cedrick. This post is directed to the rest of the players.

havingfitz · Post Post #722 (isolation #77) » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:41 am

In post 720, Luca Blight wrote:and more from Lexa and Mumble themselves; both have been eerily quiet since revealing their supposed power roles.

Agreed

havingfitz · Post Post #730 (isolation #78) » Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:04 am

In post 723, Cedrick wrote:He doesn’t even consider he could be wrong.

In post 709, havingfitz wrote:I'm not 100% sure of anyone's alignment in this game other than mine.

Just flying by the keys of my keyboard I'd say:
I'd call Lexa a >90% scumread.
I'd call Mumble a >70% townread.
I'd call Cedrick >70% scumread.

havingfitz · Post Post #1162 (isolation #79) » Mon Feb 19, 2018 2:49 am

In post 1066, northsidegal wrote:could you talk a little more about this? because i feel like the overconfidence was definitely there in c9++ and that's a large part of where my scumread on you was coming from. do you feel like that game isn't representative of your scumgame or what?

Are you scum reading me in this game?

That c9++ is no indicative of my scum game because I was not scum. I was an SK with approx 20 posts for the entire game.

I try to be town as any role but when I'm an sk...I am essentially (IMO) town. So that c9++ was not my scum game. It was also not similar to this game in that the confidence level in my reads is not the same. I'm more confident in this game hence my commitment to my read/s. When I'm scum I know my target is really innocent so I'm more likely to be less aggressive/committed to pushing a mislynch then I am as town pushing for what I strongly believe is a scum lynch.

havingfitz · Post Post #1163 (isolation #80) » Mon Feb 19, 2018 2:54 am

In post 1097, Fissure wrote:....,....,Cedric

These are town

Why Cedrick? I'm not 100% opposed to this possibility so your reasons would be appreciated.

havingfitz · Post Post #1165 (isolation #81) » Mon Feb 19, 2018 3:01 am

GNR off my scum list thanks to Mulch's crack.

havingfitz · Post Post #1166 (isolation #82) » Mon Feb 19, 2018 3:24 am

Is there anything in the last ~16 pages since Friday that I need to address?

havingfitz · Post Post #1169 (isolation #83) » Mon Feb 19, 2018 3:40 am

Are you suspicious of me because I'm doing things you think town me or player having been on site x length of time me would never do as town? If you are town and everyone who was town always did things you thought town should do you'd be the best player ever. But everyone is different.

"You doing a 180 on a slot without any sorting at all" Isn't me reading the game this morning from Mulch's replace in and coming to the conclusion I think he is more likley to be town than scum sorting? Am I not allowed to change my mind on a slot that did nothing when a player joins who actually takes stances and provides opinions? Mulch has and it has changed my view on the GNR slot. And his content since joining has not been limited to Lexa suspiions...and I am not revising my read based soley on his Lexa suspicions.

What is your read on Mulch and if it's scum...is it for GNR or for Mulch?

p.edit ^ at Cedrick

havingfitz · Post Post #1193 (isolation #84) » Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:28 am

In post 1170, Cedrick wrote:I’m suspicious of you because
your reads/actions/pushes don’t really make much sense.
You scum read people
for things that aren’t scummy which is what scum typically do
.

Your opinion. See my last post wrt opinions.

In post 1170, Cedrick wrote:Let’s assume gnr is scum lurking. Any replacement for him is going to most likely do the exact opposite since that’s why the slot is getting pressure. It’s easy to come in and hypo post as scum.

Not true. I don't ever replace in and concern myself with how my predecessor played. If Assemblerotws had replaced lurking scum!GNR you think he would have miraculously posted actively and thoughtfully? BS.

In post 1170, Cedrick wrote:I don’t feel like you have actually read his posts, I don’t think you’ve read any of the posts that have been made while you were “v/la”.

This is offensive along the lines of faking a v/la. <insert expletives> You think what makes you feel better about your reads. I've played with you before...this type of crap feels exactly like others I have played. I won't revive the earlier alt conversations but lol....you just think what you want.

In post 1170, Cedrick wrote:Mulch
hasn’t really taken hard stances
. He’s calling Lexa scum and now voting her when a majority of the players have been doing that.
That could very easily be scum mirroring others
.

It looks like you aren't reading then. FFS...what is your definition of a hard stance if not professing an opinion and backing it up with a vote? smh^nth ffs
As for scum mirroring others....how about he could be town with his eyes open to Lexa being scum? Could that be the case here?

In post 1170, Cedrick wrote:What other hard stances has he made? He criticizes people for pressurng a lurker and says there are so many other scummy people
yet he townreads most of the really scummy people
.

Your opinion vs his. Who has pushed a case for Havo being scum? That's not following the herd. That's a stance. He's given town reads and a pool of suspects. He's engaged. He's an improvement over GNR. He makes it no longer a lurking, anti-town, policy-esque freebie for scum to ride to a likely mislynch.

havingfitz · Post Post #1195 (isolation #85) » Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:46 am

In post 1194, Cedrick wrote:
In post 1193, havingfitz wrote:I've played with you before.
You don’t know if we’ve played together or not. Don’t make the same mistake others are making

It's beside the point. Not relevant to anything in this game. Just amusing to me.

havingfitz · Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:24 am

^ who's this directed at?

havingfitz · Post Post #1300 (isolation #87) » Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:06 am

Well that worked out nicely wrt Lexa.

Here is where I am at today:

Fissure - practically confirmed town.
rb - leaning town
Luca - leaning town. Also lol at you taking credit for the Lexa lynch. My side hurts now tyvm.
.
.
.
.
Alexcellent - leaning town
Cedrick - probably town.
_____________________________________

Everyone not listed above I want to look over in ISO the better to be sorted by.

havingfitz · Post Post #1303 (isolation #88) » Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:25 am

In post 1301, Havo wrote:But mainly it would reveal a lot of info IMO.

Can't wait.

havingfitz · Post Post #1304 (isolation #89) » Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:31 am

In post 1302, Havo wrote:I think my vote is the one that got the momentum back going and actually caused the lynch.

Oh ffs. First Luca...now you.

Anyone else want credit for lynching the person I fcuking cased then tunneled all day long after rvs? Lol....

havingfitz · Post Post #1306 (isolation #90) » Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:35 am

Fissure towning up the Lexa counterwagon probably did more than anything to seal Lexa's fate. Avoiding the alternative mislynch.

Yay for decent replacements.

P.edit - Stfu Cedrick. You sucked D1...just wallow in that shit!town.

havingfitz · Post Post #1308 (isolation #91) » Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:53 am

In post 1307, Havo wrote:Take a pill dude

It takes a village.

So anyway...looking forward to what you glean from the flip.

havingfitz · Post Post #1310 (isolation #92) » Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:01 am

In post 1309, Awoo wrote:That flip clears eddie for me.

Why Eddie?

Does the flip clear anyone else 4u?

havingfitz · Post Post #1316 (isolation #93) » Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:42 am

Devil's advocating...

In post 1311, Awoo wrote:Look at that case man!

Eddie has zero problem bussing and when he joined the game...Lexa was the leading wagon and NQ was already on it.

In post 1311, Awoo wrote:Remember when I tried to start a Q wagon and the only person who jumped on was lexa?
And then he jumped off right after?
Yeah scum wouldn't do that to his partner,

Um....so scum wouldn't put a partner at L-5 for less than a page before moving on? Answer: they absolutely would. smh....

havingfitz · Post Post #1319 (isolation #94) » Thu Feb 22, 2018 7:24 am

In post 1318, Havo wrote:I want your thoughts on Awoo and RB please.

Haven't looked either over closely but think they are both probably town based on sense of their posts as I've read the game.

havingfitz · Post Post #1420 (isolation #95) » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:05 pm

I don't think Alex is scum.

THis fast wagon when the day isn't even 24 hours in is ridiculous. Can some people please unvote so others can chime in? ffs...

havingfitz · Post Post #1424 (isolation #96) » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:15 pm

havingfitz · Post Post #1425 (isolation #97) » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:15 pm

I hoped this day would go longer for information's sake but whatever...

In post 1421, Eddie Cane wrote:It is L-2, every single player has checked in (I think). The wagon has been here for a page my dude.

Why is Alex town?

Why is Alex town?

Because

I'm a 1-shot watcher

(hence my confidence Lexa was full of shit/scum).
Because I watched the doc last night.
Because

I saw Eddie target Mumble.

Because I doubt Eddie goes so hard for his last remaining partner.

That's the short version of why I think Alex is town. In addition to town reading him much of the game.

VOTE: Eddie Cane

havingfitz · Post Post #1426 (isolation #98) » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:16 pm

I'm off to zzzzzz.

If day is still open I'll be happy to discuss in about 8 hrs.

havingfitz · Post Post #1458 (isolation #99) » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:35 pm

In post 1455, Papa Zito wrote:I dunno what the vc is

L + 1

havingfitz · Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:34 am

Weekend busy. Will chime in today if I get a chance.

havingfitz · Sun Feb 25, 2018 2:37 pm

{Luca Blight, Fissure, Awoo, Alex} = probably won't lynch
{Havo/Papa Zito........RB} = POE preferred lynchpool

^subject to change

havingfitz · Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:25 pm

If whoever made the second kill still has an action available to them then I do not think they should claim unless they are about to be lynched. Same with any other potential claims...no need to do anything now unless a pr is about to be lynched. I would think there weren't any/many left TO claim.

I'd be good with a Papa Zito lynch. Need to look Havo over....POE he's an option but I would want to hear why others suspect the slot and probably do an ISO before voting him. I've ISO'd PZ and while I like his posting personality and he seems like a nice fellow...I don't see where he has really done anything overly towny in this game. Kind of coasting along imo. Nothing terribly scummy either unless you think just kind of coasting along is scummy (which I kind of do).

havingfitz · Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:54 am

havingfitz · Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:45 am

The people who are here could claim vig or not.

I've already claimed and it wasn't vig.

havingfitz · Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:55 am

If you are today's lynch and you do flip town...your "ton of work" would be appreciated.

havingfitz · Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:20 am

In post 1565, Papa Zito wrote:I honestly don't think people ever go back and read dead townie isos.

If you make a case for the last scum...I think it would get posthumous considerations.

havingfitz · Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:33 am

In post 1537, Awoo wrote:
VOTE:
fissure <-- last mafia

Please unvote Fissure.

D1 vca suggests Fissure is town.

havingfitz · Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:20 am

In post 1580, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 1577, havingfitz wrote:
In post 1537, Awoo wrote:
VOTE:
fissure <-- last mafia
Please unvote Fissure.

D1 vca suggests Fissure is town.
Can you elaborate on this?

Ehen Fissure replaced in I was the only vote on Lexa. He was committed to a Lexa lynch when he could have easily supported a Cedrick wagon.
Likewise both Eddie and Lexa show d1 commitment to a GNR/Fissure lynch....over Cedrick.

I know bussing happens but this is more than I see necessary.

= Fissure probably town.

havingfitz · Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:36 am

mod...can you prod rb and Fissure (he's due in ~20 minutes)?

havingfitz · Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:33 am

In post 1593, rb wrote:
In post 1592, Luca Blight wrote:Cane came in and immediately started bussing Lexa as well...

Any thoughts on the game besides lol wat?

havingfitz · Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:43 am

I feel like this day has lost all momentum from the first two days.

I think most people not named rb, Havo or Papa Zito are suspecting rb, Havo or Papa Zito.

Papa Zito is v/la another day or two.
rb has just fcuking punted this game apparently.
Havo's around. Ok.

So I'll vote any of these three to progress the game either to a scum lynch or the next wagon in line.

Ha...p.edit.

Good luck rb.

havingfitz · Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:46 am

I think Fissure and Alex are likely town.

VOTE: Papa Zito
...and if there's a tomorrow see what rb's replacement brings.

havingfitz · Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:50 am

L-2 btw.

havingfitz · Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:27 am

In post 1606, Havo wrote:Why PZ over RB?

In post 1319, havingfitz wrote:
In post 1318, Havo wrote:I want your thoughts on Awoo and RB please.
Haven't looked either over closely but think they are both probably town based on sense of their posts as I've read the game.

In post 1551, havingfitz wrote:{Havo/Papa Zito........RB} = POE preferred lynchpool

In post 1559, havingfitz wrote:I'd be good with a Papa Zito lynch. Need to look Havo over....POE he's an option but I would want to hear why others suspect the slot and probably do an ISO before voting him. I've ISO'd PZ and while I like his posting personality and he seems like a nice fellow...I don't see where he has really done anything overly towny in this game. Kind of coasting along imo. Nothing terribly scummy either unless you think just kind of coasting along is scummy (which I kind of do).

havingfitz · Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:18 am

In post 1609, Awoo wrote:zito, time to claim dude

Agree

havingfitz · Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:58 pm

Zzzzz

havingfitz · Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:56 am

In post 1625, Maki Harukawa wrote:
In post 1623, Luca Blight wrote:Welcome.

Are you a 1-shot Vig?
Maybe ^_~

Why maybe? Is it something you have think about?

havingfitz · Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:57 am

In post 1630, Alexcellent wrote:Yeah I'm not sure I see scum making an unprovoked Gunsmith claim out of nowhere like that

^ this.

havingfitz · Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:58 am

In post 1624, Maki Harukawa wrote:Aw man I thought I was replacing into a scum slot what a buzz kill

havingfitz · Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:52 am

I dont see Luca's claim being fake or from scum.
The fact we had a second nk makes his claim even more believable.

havingfitz · Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:57 am

In post 1616, Papa Zito wrote:I'm going to review Eddie tonight.

How'd this go?

Any thoughts on who the last scum is?

havingfitz · Fri Mar 02, 2018 4:26 am

Papa Zito...are you planning on doing any more assessments?

From your numberQ review, do you think numberQ's comments in his posts 260 and 261 could be subtle attempts to defend or distract from rb?

Who's the last scum?

havingfitz · Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:16 am

In post 1643, Papa Zito wrote:You should probably be asking yourself why suddenly the burden of doing this has fallen squarely on me in a game featuring 7 living players.

Well...there's 8 living player fmpov.

Others have given their thoughts and are at least voting.

You and Luca are the lone non-voters. I think Luca is waiting for your thoughts in case you are town...iirc.

You're kind of the last opinion on reads left....aside I suppose of more thoughts Maki might provide.

havingfitz · Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:19 am

In post 1648, havingfitz wrote:I think Luca is waiting for your thoughts in case you are town...iirc.

Ok...so maybe I iirc wrongly..

havingfitz · Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:34 am

In post 1651, Luca Blight wrote:Think I'll be voting Maki today unless she does something decent.

I was kind of thinking this as well.

havingfitz · Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:59 am

In fact...

VOTE: Maki

havingfitz · Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:00 am

So looks like you need to flip the bussing/distancing coin to help you decide.

havingfitz · Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:50 pm

In post 1691, Maki Harukawa wrote:VOTE: Luca

AUTO WIN BOYS

I'd like to say my job was easy

If you flip nurse Luca dies tomorrow. Seems like a stupid thing for the last scum to do.

havingfitz · Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:58 pm

What were you Maki?

havingfitz · Fri Mar 02, 2018 4:11 pm

Sweet

havingfitz · Fri Mar 02, 2018 4:28 pm

< JOAT (watch, vig, track)

Sorry nsg...

havingfitz · Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:17 pm

In post 1717, Eddie Cane wrote:it's funny cause nsg was obv town

So were you...right?

havingfitz · Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:19 pm

So rb copped Cedrick N1 AND killed him N2? smh.....

havingfitz · Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:17 am

In post 1735, Gamma Emerald wrote:I consider a flawless game one where no town are lynched at the very least,

Isn't this what happened in this game

havingfitz · Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:55 am

^ I don't care either way. I was just amused that you were the person correcting the mod's "flawless victory" comment but then your description of a flawless game was what happened in this game.

Ftr I have no idea or concern in what constitutes a flawless game. I'll just enjoy the town win and appreciate that there were no mislynches. Damn that misguided vig shot