[Mini 1987] Snowman's Bad Idea Mafia: Aliens [GG]

[brassherald]

Hi, I'm replacing in for Assembler, since I see he already claimed the strange cop role, I'll say no results came in from Night 2's check. I am similarly confused by the results on Math, and am not positive what the no results means.

I'll have tor read the thread and the invest and, well, lots of stuff and see if it's useful to reveal who it was.

[brassherald]

Oh, wait, it looks like there was no feedback for Night 3 because Assembler never submitted an action as well.

[brassherald]

Oh, wait, it looks like there was no feedback for Night 3 because Assembler never submitted an action as well.

I'm an idiot, it's Day 3.

[brassherald]

@Tywin

come defend yourself? do you care about the town winning? :/

LAMIST.

Also, Brandi is not scum hunting, just looking for lurkers.

VOTE: Brandi

[brassherald]

Screw it, Assemble checked Tywin last night, got no result.

Not sure what that means, but there you go, maybe we can figure out this role as a group, because I sure as hell cannot by myself.

P-edit: I isoed the still living people. I started with Tywin, then Brandi.

[brassherald]

I find a complete lack of scumhunting to be a pretty reliable scumtell.

[brassherald]

o_O 2 isos in 8 minutes. Jesus that's fast.

What's your role? I haven't had a chance to read anything yet.

I'm a strange variation of cop, I can check a person, and get results that I know can be trusted, but might be "corrupted" but I'm not assured to get any results.

[brassherald]

So you're sane but not strong.

What's corrupted mean.

Looks like the text can be garbled somewhat, like on the first page where it says current status.

The results are not nearly that bad and I can read them. The results from Math night one were that the aliens have fake claims given to them in flavour text. Which, looking through Math's stuff, were his results from Night 1, so maybe I get the results that the person I check gets?

[brassherald]

I'm a bad poster, Chick. The main issue is she has 43 posts, isn't even trying to scumhunt anymore, just wants to lynch lurkers. Lurking is NAI, it's an easy mislynch.

Plus a Tywin no result seems to indicate he has no feedback at night. Maybe a scummy VT? I don't know.

[brassherald]

Anyone have thoughts on the third scum we need to find? My thinking is that ethos had the choice between one two and three factions. So there must be at least three more scum out there.

I have an alternate theory. Since hiding my PR is totally off the table anyway. My rolecard also tells me my win condition cannot be changed.

Which, to me, implies that someone can change a win condition. I think the Aliens could have someone who marked up to three people to become alien spies.

But, we don't know if the invasion was ever started.

[brassherald]

Anyone have thoughts on the third scum we need to find? My thinking is that ethos had the choice between one two and three factions. So there must be at least three more scum out there.

I have an alternate theory. Since hiding my PR is totally off the table anyway. My rolecard also tells me my win condition cannot be changed.

Which, to me, implies that someone can change a win condition. I think the Aliens could have someone who marked up to three people to become alien spies.

But, we don't know if the invasion was ever started.

I’m gonna need you to go read the ethos flip

I read it again, so, yeah, definitely 3 spies. Cannot ever trust my memory.

That being said... I need to consider further who the second and third spies would be.

Also, I don't want to discount some sort of converter in the aliens, seems like a distinct possibility.

So, everyone who is still town should reevaluate their reads, imo.

[brassherald]

Can any of the replacements give their thoughts on me and Chick

I find it a little weird that everyone is just accepting a lyncher/lynchee claim from you two.

I'm a little hesitant to believe it myself, but at the same time, at a glance, Brandi is still the best lynch today for me.

[brassherald]

The issue with Brandi is not that she's lurking, lurking is NAI. It's that she is not doing anything to try to solve the game when she does post.

There's absolutely no attempts to scum hunt or sort through any of the other doors, her only reasoning for any lynch is that they are not posting enough

[brassherald]

Wheme, you aren't even voting Chick right now. If you have a guilty why wouldn't you vote her?

[brassherald]

Fine Wheme, what is your role that got you the guilty? You may have said it before but I'm phone posting and don't recall

[brassherald]

I'm inclined to believe this. I find it a little strange that in a game where lurkers are being scum read, Chick had a hard Town Read on Assemble

[brassherald]

Creature is probably scum then

[brassherald]

I'll check Wheme, since he is saying he gets feedback each night.

[brassherald]

How would you suggest that the kill occurred if not by scum?

[brassherald]

Papa Zito makes some good points...

VOTE: Chick

Baa.

[brassherald]

Hi, phone posting. What's with the redaction stuff?

[brassherald]

I don't understand why Wheme would be a better choice than Chick. I mean, basically, the claim is that Chick becomes a townie if Wheme is NKed, right? That's the logical choice. Wheme is not going to be NKed any time soon because he is either scum making a gambit, or he is town who the Aliens already know that if they kill him, we just get a town replacement. The idea is that Chick is probably lying in the first place about being a third party who "converts to town" if she wanted to be converted to town as she claims, she would have never mentioned that part of her role. That's a big neon sign saying "Aliens don't resolve this issue for me, Wink Wink, I can totally be town later!"

If she is a third party lyncher, we lose just her slot, even if she is telling the truth, we lose two possible town slots if we hang Wheme when Chick leaves.

If it's down to Chick or Wheme, Chick is the obvious choice.

Otherwise, I still think Brandi's slot is going to be good. (FYI, by the replacement thread, it looks like Brandi is also replacing out, have we gotten that yet?)

[brassherald]

One day at a time, Eevee.

[brassherald]

Okay, Gamma check Chick's statement tonight.

VOTE: Brandi

[brassherald]

I'll check Nero tonight and see what happens.

[brassherald]

Lynch Brandi, Gamma will sort out the Chick/Wheme issue tonight, we solve the game tomorrow.

[brassherald]

How about we lynch Nero if we're sorting Wheme/Chick tonight
VOTE: Nero Cain

Fine, I'm fine with this.

VOTE: Nero Cain

I can see why there have been so many replacements now, trying to get town on the same page has not been working. Town, let's go. Sort out this shitty distraction between Chick and Wheme tomorrow. If you are right, Wheme, we lynch Chick tomorrow, so why do you care if we don't lynch her today?

[brassherald]

btw brass do you understand your role better now?

I think I do, I know who to check tonight if I'm correct.

[brassherald]

Like Chick's whole thing is that she had to kill Wheme but she becomes town, which I think is convenient at best. And now is claiming that she already TURNED town despite her wincon (to kill Wheme) not being unattainable. Unlikely, yes. Impossible no. Like the mental gymnastics she's using is tantamount to a lie. Also, there's a guilty.

Let's just lynch someone... I mean, this whole argument is not getting us any more information.

VOTE: Chick

No more compromise votes, it's Chick or Brandi for me. Everyone else can line up with me for a change rather than me trying to compromise.

[brassherald]

How would you kill them first if you didn't have a kill yourself. The phrasing seems to indicate that you have a kill action, rather than get them killed like a Townie would do.

[brassherald]

This game lol can we just lynch Chick and go to night

You are still not voting Chick.

[brassherald]

Fine whatever. I'm sick this is it for tonight.

UNVOTE:

Wheme has to vote her if he wants her lynched anyway.

[brassherald]

This day ends here. Sorry, Gamma, Chick's story has changed too many times for me to trust her.

VOTE: Chick

[brassherald]

Pretty sure my vote was the hammer

[brassherald]

Well, I learned a bit more about my role last night but didn't get anything useful.

Brandi is being lynched today.

VOTE: Brandi

[brassherald]

Why did Chick lie about her role

Who cares at this point?

[brassherald]

I don't want to sound like an ass here, but guys, can you just think for a hot second.

The issue Chick had was that Snowman forgot to send a new rolecard, as Chick's original rolecard said she would receive. Wheme found her Night 2, so as of Day 3, Chick was a VT.

It was a mod mistake that lead to the entire misunderstanding.

Now, can we all organize and lynch Brandi already?

[brassherald]

Actually. Let's do this.

I say we do a role call. I'll start. My actual role name is "Corrupt-able Cop" which is also incorruptible. The corrupt part has to do with the information I receive.

I figured Gamma was going to die and decided to see if he'd get useful information because I thought that was what the role did, apparently it's more like a randomized investigator and that's why I have nothing useful. Gamma took no action last night.

Who wants to go next?

[brassherald]

I don't want to sound like an ass here, but guys, can you just think for a hot second.

The issue Chick had was that Snowman forgot to send a new rolecard, as Chick's original rolecard said she would receive. Wheme found her Night 2, so as of Day 3, Chick was a VT.

It was a mod mistake that lead to the entire misunderstanding.

Now, can we all organize and lynch Brandi already?

First could you give what info about ur role that you do understand? So far it seems neither you nor your predecessor understood how it worked.

Last night, I learned that Gamma was town and took no actions.

In the three nights, I got the results from Math's first investigation, no result on Zito's slot, and Gamma is town that took no action on Night 3.

I know that the information I get will be accurate if I get a result but I'm not assured a result.

[brassherald]

Brandi, Nero and Zito I think need to claim today. I'm okay with townblocking Eevee, though if Eevee would like to claim that's fine by me.

[brassherald]

Oh, and Viomi might have copped? Definitely did not vig anyone, so, a cop result may be useful

[brassherald]

UNVOTE:

We actually might be in LYLO.

[brassherald]

Why do we even care about the order anyway?

[brassherald]

Part of your claim has to be what you have received each night you have performed an action, by the way.

[brassherald]

Nero Cain is likely not alien since I'm still alive and I said I was investing him.

[brassherald]

Okay, I would prefer Brandi or Papa Zito claims next. I have a guess at the scum team, but I want to hear what those two say.

[brassherald]

What are reads on Viomi?

[brassherald]

I really don't like the UB that hasn't activated yet, do any of our roles really seem more copyable than pythagorean cop or Lie Detector?

[brassherald]

Also, we need just two more claims, if Viomi thinks Eevee is possible scum, I say we have Papa Zito, then Eevee.

[brassherald]

Brandi's claim is bad. Don't trust Papa Zito's either. Third could be Nero/Eevee, I guess, but I'm not sure which way we roll right now, I don't like either claim that much, but Nero's makes more sense with N1 no kills.

I think with the mass claim, we lynch Brandi today, Viomi hopefully prevents a Night Kill and I see what I can get from investigating, Papa Zito is likely tomorrow.

[brassherald]

I don't need to hide it if Viomi is going to block Night Kills, I'm 100% checking Eevee or Brandi tonight, whichever isn't lynched, I still prefer a Brandi lynch, though. VTs aren't unheard of in Role Madness.

[brassherald]

POE, need my vote somewhere. Don't like the convenient VT claim. The scum has to have some sort of cool roles and someone in here is fucking lying so i know i definitely have more options on the table than just what's been said because OBV if all the scum are out there- ALL OF THEM ARE LYING. Since DINO confirmed they have fake claims.

You're claiming POE because she's the most suspicious claim?

I don't think you know what that term means.

[brassherald]

So, just to put the claim in perspective, Brandi is claiming to be a Universal Backup in what seems to be role madness.

A universal backup which did not become a Temporary Treestumping Detective Night 1 when TIAM was lynched.

A universal backup which did not become a Suicide Speed Dater when Vaxkiller suicided.

A universal backup which did not become a Pythagorean Cop when Math died.

A universal backup who did not become a lie detector today.

This is not a universal backup. Someone sell me on why I should believe this one.

[brassherald]

when i flip as UB are u guys gonna feel bad for me even a little bit lol
im sure mod will have a good explanation

The AtE is strong in this one.

[brassherald]

Viomi, my slot has been claimed for days, the first investigate was on Math, and Assemble confirmed that day that he got Math's results, that Aliens get fake claims.

Assemble then investigated and got no result on Papa Zito, I would guess that if he is being truthful he was hiding that night.

Then I investigated Gamma and learned he took no action last night and was town. I can admit that my investigate last night was far from optimal, but you are somehow conf town without using a single ability.

VOTE: Brandi

She's obvious fake claim, and Viomi is more interested in lynching literally anyone else.

[brassherald]

The mod error was really terrible. I was wondering after Chick's flip if it was a bastard game

[brassherald]

What a weak mod

Do you even mod lift, bro?