Mini 1998: Super Smash Mafia for Nintendo Switch! [GAME OVER

[InfernoBrafin]

VOTE: Index

[InfernoBrafin]

Inferno

Index is a Jester. Prob Jigglypuff?

Also, Brafin and I will be tagging our posts with our names like this so that ya'll know who is saying what.

[InfernoBrafin]

Brafin

Sup, all.

Going to say: Kokichi is prob scum, pint is trying to start conversation, Index thinks he's funny but isn't, acryon prob scum (Hi acryon!).

Any questions? I thought not. I'm most useful on d2, so give me some time and we'll get this started.

[InfernoBrafin]

Brafin

I always like this type of player. *sarcasm*

Why exactly, are you serious-voting us?

[InfernoBrafin]

Brafin

*Snorts milk*
Woah. These (your replies) are just opinions. Not fact, not even close to fact. Just opinions.

Not liking this.

[InfernoBrafin]

If you're going to fucking use yellow put fucking

tags behind it.

like this

No.
I refuse to change my playstyle or color choices for 1 (or 2) players when it's never been a problem EVER in my entire time modding in Mish Mash and playing in a hydra.

#YellowLivesMatter
#EveryoneUseThisColorToPissOffIndex

Also, please explain why you already have a serius vote on this slot. Becasue timing tells me that it's OMGUS.

Brafin, I at this point disagree on Index, becasue the play feels jester to me. What makes you think that the play is scum?

Hey acyron, how art thou?

[InfernoBrafin]

Brafin

@Me: I never said I thought he was scum (though I definitely am thinking he's not very townie). His responses are, however, both opinions (bad) and feel forced (really bad)

#EveryoneUseThisColorToPissOffIndex

#Or this one

[InfernoBrafin]

Inferno:

Joey, are you going to sheep me in my color use for the banter?

p-edit: While we're on the subject of it, I was just in a game where someone got modkilled within 48 hours of the game starting because she revealed her role in site chat.

[InfernoBrafin]

I doubt

Kokichi's post is AI at all and

I don't really think

Pint's 15 isn't really attempting to start a discussion really. Its nothing that really gets us out of RVS if anything it's just banter

imo

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Brafin

Opinion tags. My mom was a English major, bud, don't try to slip that past me.
Why are you soft-defending him?

[InfernoBrafin]

Inferno:

Joey, did you literally just do a scumtell?
Or are you saying pisskop?

[InfernoBrafin]

Brafin

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Where have I seen this before?
Is this the scumtell?

[InfernoBrafin]

Brafin:

Really, dude? Really?
This is OOC for Beef, IMO.

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[InfernoBrafin]

Inferno

*Rage intensifies*

[InfernoBrafin]

i think inferno is softing homosexual pride trooper

Oh, so you think he's Kirby?

Inferno:

Oh, we're definitely not that.

[InfernoBrafin]

Brafin

Pisskop: Confused to why I'm being "overagressive." Not only have I asked only two questions this entire game, but neither have been that agressive. Since when is it agressive to ask players to explain themselves? If anything, I'd argue that Index is being more agressive here.

I'm starting to think that Koki's thing was not-alignment indicative, but in reference to another game, just by reaction to it.
Can't explain why Arcyon is prob-scum here. That would be rules violation.

Btw quote this post if your dissapointed by your role pm.
I know I sure as fuck am dissapointed.

I just realized that Gamma is here too. Hi, Gamma!

P-edit: agree with beef. It reminds me of Huntress' play in a recent newbie I was in. (And yes, it just finished.)

[InfernoBrafin]

Inferno:

Stop posting obnoxious invisible yellow please. #mafiasilver4lyf

A: this slot is also using MafSilver as it's color, so you have no excuses.
B: I find this post lynchable at the moment, but that's just a gut reaction. I'm going to attempt to reread the thread and give my first wall post soon.

i think inferno is softing homosexual pride trooper

Who, Marth?

Not Marth either... keep guessing...

[InfernoBrafin]

Brafin:

I suppose I should introduce myself. Hi. I'm James Brafin the duck. I can go by either James or Brafin.

I doubt

Kokichi's post is AI at all and

I don't really think

Pint's 15 isn't really attempting to start a discussion really. Its nothing that really gets us out of RVS if anything it's just banter

imo

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Brafin

Opinion tags. My mom was a English major, bud, don't try to slip that past me.
Why are you soft-defending him?

Brafin

Pisskop: Confused to why I'm being "over aggressive." Not only have I asked only two questions this entire game, but neither have been that aggressive. Since when is it aggressive to ask players to explain themselves? If anything, I'd argue that Index is being more aggressive here.

Boys/ladies/Attack Helicopters/Ducks, I'd like answers to all of the above questions when you get a minute.

[InfernoBrafin]

Brafin:

And Pint is full of crap.
My scumteam is in Pisskop, pint, and

maybe

Joey? But there's likely scum on his wagon.

@Mod votecount please?

[InfernoBrafin]

Inferno:

First off, the color complaint has me low-key triggered, but whatever. I'm using this color now, and no one better say a word (save for the mod).

Second, I know that this slot has been very quiet, that's because we've both been pretty busy over the last few days. James was just working on a post to respond to pint before getting sidetracked, and I haven't had a chance to reread yet, I'll get to it tonight. Please be patient

AND PLEASE FRICKING UNVOTE!

[InfernoBrafin]

Brafin:

I'm so glad you asked! Convenient you two are agreeing with each other.

Like if they kept the vig claim I was content with calling it but town because well...it's a vig claim but the "haha it was a reaction test" makes it so you don't have to live up to that claim anymore. Feels like he pussied out.

It's up to you if you believe it was a reaction test or a crumb and I pussied out. But to make it clear: why would I retract a crumbing? We don't know the setup of the game, I can't be counterclaimed. From my point of view, it would make much more sense for a scum fake crumbing to keep that fake crumb up for future

This is scummy as frick. Pint tells us what SCUM what would do. How he thinks SCUM should behave. The Reason SCUm should do something, and why this isn't scum-motivated. A convenient out for when he's wrong, and an example of reverse Association Before Narrative (A term that Inferno has been using lately). He won't tell us why he's town, he shows us a behavior and then tells us why it's not scummy, when in reality it should be the other way around. He should tell us what behavior is scummy and then not do it, if that makes sense.

I'm worried I'm playing with a bunch of trolls in which case town might as well quit now. Can't imagine a better environment for scum to thrive.

Gotcha.

My joke was not softing a PR, but a reaction test. This game was full of jokes and nonsense; now we have something real to start the witch hunting.

This post of yours is ridicously scummy: too LAMIST to come from town. Why would a townie say something like this?

VOTE: acryon

C'mon guys I felt like I found a pot of gold with this and nobody has said anything about it; ok if you don't believe it was a reaction test, but if it was (because it was ), is this read THAT bad to be completely ignored? At least shit on me so I can see why is wrong

This feels like pressure on town to agree with you (even though no one does) and to make yourself look important in the eyes of town. In other words, you're trying to look townie without really being townie/committing anything to it. Also scummy.

I'm worried I'm playing with a bunch of trolls in which case town might as well quit now. Can't imagine a better environment for scum to thrive.

Gotcha.

My joke was not softing a PR, but a reaction test. This game was full of jokes and nonsense; now we have something real to start the witch hunting.

This post of yours is ridicously scummy: too LAMIST to come from town. Why would a townie say something like this?

VOTE: acryon

C'mon guys I felt like I found a pot of gold with this and nobody has said anything about it; ok if you don't believe it was a reaction test, but if it was (because it was ), is this read THAT bad to be completely ignored? At least shit on me so I can see why is wrong

Well I don't get it just from looking at the quote, can you explain why acryon is scum from this

I believe acryon has played consistenly as a "serious" guy in a game where almost everyone else is being troll af. That's a good alibi: saying he's town because he's being "gamesolvey" unlike the others, but if you read his ISO, his votes aren't well justified; he voted twice after voting me without explanations at all. The post I quoted is exactly what I felt he has been trying to do: "wow this game is so troll and that doesn't help town at all". That's LAMIST. Everyone here knows that a lack of content is bad for town, but nobody has complained because, eventually, something's going to happen. I felt that impatience was faked.

Being townie is not LAMIST. Pointing out that others are screwing around and they need to help town out is not LAMIST either. In fact, it's a very town thing to do. You know what

is

LAMIST? Anyone? At all? You there, in the back?

Did you say "the quote above this? And saying you fakeclaimed to reaction-test scum?" Very good Larry, have a sucker.

Yes, that was cheesy; but you get my point. The previous quote was very LAMIST. And calling your claim a "reaction test" and then calling out the person who is pointing your claim out is not only LAMIST, but also OMGUS and frankly just trying to weasel your way out of a bad situation. And if it was simply a "joke," it wasn't a reaction test.
This is all scum-driven and, I think, an attempt to put yourself in a position of town power. Nice try, bucko, but not going to happen.

To Joey: I had a feeling that you were trying to derail the town from actual hunting, but now I'm not so sure. Also, is the soft-claiming vig the scum claim you were talking about? Because I can totally see scum doing that to pretend they have a town power role.

[InfernoBrafin]

Brafin:

Going to take a quick break from my pin push to quickly point out that Beef has been on every major wagon thus far. Is that an AI thing, or am reaching here?
@pin: My point is that you are guilty of excatly what you claim Acryon is doing; that is, being LAMIST. And no, Arcyon was not being LAMIST. Seriousness when everyone else is screwing around =/= LAMIST. After all, I'm being serious, but I certainly don't think that I'm trying to look townie. I just have more fun when I focus and play well, so I'm (semi)serious as town or scum. He's not saying "I'm not trolling, so I must be town," He's saying "We need to be serious and play the game guys and not just screw around." This can come from either town or scum. In addition, LAMIST posts tend to be more fabricated and forced, because scum does not actually believe what they are saying. That was not forced, yours was.

Joey no longer appears scummy, appears that I misread his scumhunting. Pisskop, however, has no such grace. His interaction w/ pin could be scum-motivated. HOWEVER, they are not scum together. This I can decduce from their reactions.

Also, I claim Flying Pumpkin

[InfernoBrafin]

Brafin

@Gamma

Cause he's waiting, but wants to revote him. He should have just kept his vote there in the first place.

[InfernoBrafin]

Brafin

Feel like there was scum on the wagon, whether Beef was scum or town. Pretty confident he's scum tho.
I'd like a votecount, but not so bad that it ends the day.
My lynchpool is right where it was before(I think). Piss, pin, and beef.
Nothing much else to say. See you all tomorrow!

[InfernoBrafin]

Inferno:

First off, that lynch was actual bull and I'm highly disappointed in the town responsible for the quicklynch. (Frick the scum that was part of it.) I will reread, I promise, we've just been insanely busy. That being said, there was probably 2 scum on the wagon, and three would honestly not surprise me if three were on (thoug hthis is highly unlikely. Joey, Index, and pisakop are the highest on my list, though I'm unsure of James' thoughts yet.

Tbh I thought this would be a role madness game when I joined it, and there was so much fucking potential to make this a cool fucking game but all that potential went away when I got my role PM (VT btw, Duck Hunt)

Like okay, maybe I thought I was the only VT in the game
But nope
Another person flipped VT

This causual hardclaim of VT in response to Beef's flip is highly sus. I feel like it's trying to use the flip as a cover more to make a fakeclaim. Plus, why was a claim even nessecary at this point?

[InfernoBrafin]

Brafin

Okay, now that our cop is dead, we have a serious problem. Time for me to get cracking.

Honestly, Day 1 was bullcrap. That lynch on Beef was a blatant, scum-driven, useless to town quick-mis-lynch, and everyone here knows it. Which means there is at least one, if not two, scum on that wagon.

Night 1: We must determine WHY scum decided to lynch Rask. There is no crumb, scum was either guessing or Rask was on to something. But Rask was not particularly helpful or townie or active. So this is a mystery. Hopefully some logic and deduction should get us somewhere.

On the wagon: Joey_, pisskop, Torque, Gamma Emerald, Index Chan, Kokichi Oma, Rask (And Acryon in spirit?)
Sus players of Rask: Joey, Maria, Beef

This promises to be several posts long, so bear with please. Deduction takes precious time that I don't really have. (Easter!)

First things first: In our deductions, we must answer three things:
1) WHO is the scum on Beef's wagon?
2) WHY was Rask lynched last night?
3) WHAT are the motivations for bussing today?

We'll look at these one situation at a time, but let's make a chart real quick. Please note that all of the situations below are hypothetical; at this point in time I believe in NONE of them. I'm simply looking for every possible situation; if I miss a few, please let me know.
First, we know who was on the wagon, so that becomes a matter of "What is player x's motivation for being on the wagon."

1) WHO is the scum on Beef's wagon?

A) What is Joey's motivation for being on the wagon?
B) PK's?
C) Torque's?
D) GE's?
E) IC's?
F) KO's?
G) Acryon?

2) WHY was Rask lynched last night?

3) WHAT are the motivations for bussing today?

Second, for the next question I believe there are four possible answers:

1) WHO is the scum on Beef's wagon?
A) What is Joey's motivation for being on the wagon?
B) PK's?
C) Torque's?
D) GE's?
E) IC's
F) KO's?
G) Acryon?

2) WHY was Rask lynched last night?

A) Joey and MariaR are scum who got caught, and their trying to get rid of the evidence.
B) Joey and Maria are being set up by a third party to be lynched.
C) Joey is setting up Maria to be lynched
D) Maria is setting up Joey to be lynched.

3) WHAT are the motivations for bussing today?

Third, this third situation is similar to the first: We know who was pushing what at dawn, so now we just have to figure out why.

1) WHO is the scum on Beef's wagon?
A) What is Joey's motivation for being on the wagon?
B) PK's?
C) Torque's?
D) GE's?
E) IC's?
F) KO's?
G) Acryon?

2) WHY was Rask lynched last night?
A) Joey and MariaR are scum who got caught, and their trying to get rid of the evidence.
B) Joey and Maria are being set up by a third party to be lynched.
C) Joey is setting up Maria to be lynched
D) Maria is setting up Joey to be lynched.

3) WHAT are the motivations for bussing today?

A) Why does Gamma push Joey?
B) Maria on Pin?
C) Pin on Acryon?
D) Acryon On KO?

Those are what we must determine. (And this is why I'm good in D2. ) More soon, but that's the basic gist of everything I'm going to post for a bit. I expect no lynches, no opinions on these until I post on them, and no other town/scum crap. NAyone who tries to take these out of context is scum. Thanks.

[InfernoBrafin]

Inferno:

Okay, read through page 6, and my thoughts are:

Index votes us early for a really bad reason, then us an "IMO" response to try and justify it. She basically explains her vote as "I don't agree with you, so you are scum." Don't like that.
Joey seems to be attempting some sort of low-key buddying by playing along with our troll posts. He also seems to be buddying up to Maria, which Maria is seems strangely receptive to. Almost seems to want it. Hmmm.
Pisskop is just all over the place. It's actually kind of dumb.
Kokichi's early posts seem to b hunting for something. I'm not sure what though, but it's definitely disguised rolehunting.
I'm noticing a significant trend in "being everywhere" from Index, Piss, and Joey. It's kind of weird, and it's actually doing a lot more harm than good. There's got to be scum among those three.
Acryon is coming off strong town, the hunting feels real. Also, post #126 @acyron: Did you actually fricking quote The Somewhat True Tale of Robin Hood?
Piss's #127 gives town LITERALLY nothing while looking like it gives a lot. Don't like it either.
Post #142: Gamma is claiming SOMETHING with Piss. I just am not sure what yet.

More coming soon.

P-edit: Go away, Alisae. I don't play the "I dare you to vote me" games.

p-p-edit: The FRICK James, what the heck is that!?!

[InfernoBrafin]

Brafin:

1) WHO is the scum on Beef's wagon?
A) What is Joey's motivation for being on the wagon?
B) PK's?
C) Torque's?
D) GE's?
E) IC's?
F) KO's?
G) Acryon?

2) WHY was Rask lynched last night?
A) Joey and MariaR are scum who got caught, and their trying to get rid of the evidence.
B) Joey and Maria are being set up by a third party to be lynched.
C) Joey is setting up Maria to be lynched
D) Maria is setting up Joey to be lynched.

3) WHAT are the motivations for bussing today?
A) Why does Gamma push Joey?
B) Maria on Pin?
C) Pin on Acryon?
D) Acryon On KO?

Before I continue, I'd like to say 2 things: Piss response about "not trying to figure out why Rask was lynched" is scummy as frack. That is the only way we catch scum today, is by finding the motivation for last night's kill. That and the lynch is the only info we have.
Joey, if you think that post makes you look town, you're an idiot. You got ignored day 1 because you derided Rask. I'm saying this right now; IN TRYING TO STOP TRUE HUNTING, YOU ARE Only MAKING YOURSELF LOOK LIKE SCUM. So please, shut up. Your response speed even proves you didn't even try to read the post thoroughly!
P-edit: EVERYONE SHUT UP! THIS IS HOW I SCUMHUNT! I TOLD YOU THERE WAS A REASON I WAS GOOD ONLY STARTING D2!
P-P-edit: Joey, if you've got a problem, actually say it and don't just make vague generalizations. Starting to get the feels that you are scared that I've caught you.

We're going to start with 2, because frankly, that's going to be the easiest.

2) WHY was Rask lynched last night?
A) Joey and MariaR are scum who got caught, and their trying to get rid of the evidence.
B) Joey and Maria are being set up by a third party to be lynched.
C) Joey is setting up Maria to be lynched
D) Maria is setting up Joey to be lynched.

D, as of post 482, is impossible. No scum on the attack says that.
C, on the other hand, has no such qualms. But Joey is now avoiding MariaR. Tyler makes a good point; I agree there was buddying. For him to drop off after that and not even push is an odd scum move. So C is also unlikely.

2) WHY was Rask lynched last night?
A) Joey and MariaR are scum who got caught, and their trying to get rid of the evidence.
B) Joey and Maria are being set up by a third party to be lynched.
C) Joey is setting up Maria to be lynched (Unlikely)

Great, Wifom. To counteract, we'll look at both.
Assume there's a third party. What advantage do they get from framing these players? First, a mislynch. Second, both of these player either lack activity or are just super stally and trolly (Hi, Joey). They are prime mis-lynch fodder.
However, despite these traits, both of these are town read to some degree, offsetting any advantage to these candidates, or even tilting them in favor of a failure of mislynch. So A) is by no means even plausible.

2) WHY was Rask lynched last night?
A) Joey and MariaR are scum who got caught, and their trying to get rid of the evidence.
C) Joey is setting up Maria to be lynched (Unlikely)

This means that A and C are the only two options for the scum in this situation. Joey is in both. I'd like to raise the suggestion that Joey is scum.
To recap the list:

1) WHO is the scum on Beef's wagon?
A) What is Joey's motivation for being on the wagon?
B) PK's?
C) Torque's?
D) GE's?
E) IC's?
F) KO's?
G) Acryon?

2) WHY was Rask lynched last night?
A) Joey and MariaR are scum who got caught, and their trying to get rid of the evidence.
C) Joey is setting up Maria to be lynched. (Unlikely)
Result:

Joey_ is scum.

3) WHAT are the motivations for bussing today?
A) Why does Gamma push Joey?
B) Maria on Pin?
C) Pin on Acryon?
D) Acryon On KO?
E) Brafin on Joey_ (For posterity.)

VOTE: Joey_

[InfernoBrafin]

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Brafin

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That lynch on Beef was a blatant, scum-driven

: How and why ? Why was it blatantly scum driven?

TOWN does not push a quick lynch within a week of starting the game. Only scum. Town is not stupid; they want days to last as long as possible.

useless to town quick-mis-lynch, and everyone here knows it

: I disagree, i really really did expect a scum flip, why wouldnt you ? can you iso beef and tell me you have any reason to not-think hes scum?

We'll start with the fact that he only posted five time. There's no way ANYONE can get enough info from that. So to say you were sure he'd "flip scum" is ludicrous.

Which means there is at least one, if not two, scum on that wagon.

: Conclusion from wrong premises. You could easily claim that scum didnt want to be associated with a green flip and/or helped the ml, we just dont know as of yet

This makes no sense. I don't even know what you mean by this.

Rask was not particularly helpful or townie or active

: You know Rask was one of the most resistant slot toward the meatboi, her thought process is also genuine regarding her votes toward the meatboi. I personnaly do not know why rask why killed either, i didnt read her as a pr at all so eh

Then what is your point?

Sus players of Rask: Joey, Maria, Beef

: That's false, rask outed a scumpool before the d1 hammer and I wasn't part of said scumpool. Why would you include her early scumreads that were not relevant at the end of d1 ? Also if rask fosed beef dont you think there might be a other town who fosed beef too ?

A) Everything is important. B) I don't know what #461 is, but that's no scumlist. There is no request for one, no note that it is a scumlist, nothing. There is nothing else that could be a "scumlist."

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Nice try though. Anyone else?

[InfernoBrafin]

Brafin

Then defend yourself, don't just ridicule me like you did Rask.

[InfernoBrafin]

Brafin

And I refuted those. Try again.

[InfernoBrafin]

Brafin:

Hold up, I'm confused. What "Jump" makes no sense. I'm logically coming to conclusions. There is no "jumping."

[InfernoBrafin]

Inferno:

This is really, really, REALLY bad from Joey. It's very much flaily. And James hasn't even done that much yet.

[InfernoBrafin]

Brafin:

Hold up, I'm confused. What "Jump" makes no sense. I'm logically coming to conclusions. There is no "jumping."

No you arent, you obviously have no damn clue about the game

You are obviously trying to push your idea of mafia and how mafia should be played.

[InfernoBrafin]

Brafin

Raks voted me on meta which was ridicule and she quickly changed her reads (mind you, im town). You tho, are voting me on confbias and seriously dysfonctionnal logic, your posts are hardly intelligible with the format you are using

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Brafin

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That lynch on Beef was a blatant, scum-driven

: How and why ? Why was it blatantly scum driven?

TOWN does not push a quick lynch within a week of starting the game. Only scum. Town is not stupid; they want days to last as long as possible.

Conservative mindset for subpar and average player, no offense. I SINCERELY FUCKING SCUMREAD THE SHIT OUT OF THAT MEATBOI. Also, pushing a lynch does NOT equate pushing a quick lynch, if you read my iso I even unnoted at some point because I wanted to give the day more time. Its true though that I then enabled the quicklynch and that is because I was overwhelmingly confident in my scumread. Quick-lynches might be naturally more inclined to benefit scum in the grand scheme, that is correct, but I had no problem quicklynching beef there. If you want meta, I have quicklynched at least 2 games d1 as town on site.

A) I never singled you out about the quiclynch; if anything, it was KO that did it, so I wouldn't trust anything she says right now. But the fact you take it personally is not reassuring. B)I just read your Iso. Until you can show me this post that you claim you made where you unvoted, you're liar. C) Self-meta is by no means a indicator of anything. It's super easy for scum to say, "Look! I do this as town!"

useless to town quick-mis-lynch, and everyone here knows it

: I disagree, i really did expect a scum flip, why wouldn't you ? can you iso beef and tell me you have any reason to not-think hes scum?

We'll start with the fact that he only posted five time. There's no way ANYONE can get enough info from that. So to say you were sure he'd "flip scum" is ludicrous.

I disagree, just because you don't share my read does not mean that its not valuable. You are obviously trying to push your idea of mafia and how mafia should be played. I am a tone reader and I'm coming from a chat mafia not a forum mafia, I'm used to form reads or very few posts/content. And yes, I was damn fucking sure he was flipping scum so sue me

Okay. Give me one convincing reason from Beef's five posts that he was a good candidate for the lynch and not just a lurker. Explain to me how you can get any convincing evidence from five posts. And no, "It was a gut read" is not convincing. A) You just lynched the guy, and a gut read is nowhere near a good lynch reason, and B) This by no means is a gut read. To be this sure he'd flip scum means there was something so inherently scummy about his play that you could pick it out. But if it was that obvious, it should be really easy to show me. Plus, you've been on site for six months; you should be familiar enough with forum mafia by now to know that to play it like IRL or chat mafia is not going to work. Oh, and nice AtE btw.

Which means there is at least one, if not two, scum on that wagon.

: Conclusion from wrong premises. You could easily claim that scum didn't want to be associated with a green flip and/or helped the ml, we just don't know as of yet

This makes no sense. I don't even know what you mean by this.

Your conclusion is that there's scum on the wagon, but actually we just don't know. Its true that there is probably one on there just for the sake of probabiliy but trying to guess the number of people on that wagon like that (1 or 2 or 3) is a leap of logic that you shouldn't be comfortable with. You should take another approach at the wagon

Okay, let me say it in a different way:

THERE IS LIKELY SCUM ON THE WAGON.

Happy?

Rask was not particularly helpful or townie or active

: You know Rask was one of the most resistant slot toward the meatboi, her thought process is also genuine regarding her votes toward the meatboi. I personnaly do not know why rask why killed either, I didn't read her as a pr at all so eh

Then what is your point?

That rask could be killed for tons of reasons ? you basically listed 4 reasons why she mightve died, including my names almost everywhere, this is silly

Fine then, Then what are the "other reasons" for the night kill? There was no crumb, no obvious reason for that kill last night. Bus scum always kills for a reason. So what do you think it is?

Sus players of Rask: Joey, Maria, Beef

: That's false, rask outed a scumpool before the d1 hammer and I wasn't part of said scumpool. Why would you include her early scumreads that were not relevant at the end of d1 ? Also if rask fosed beef don't you think there might be a other town who fosed beef too ?

A) Everything is important. B) I don't know what #461 is, but that's no scumlist. There is no request for one, no note that it is a scumlist, nothing. There is nothing else that could be a "scumlist."

Why the fuck are you taking into consideration that rask fosed me but not that she ended up townreading m ? Why do you even care to take others' reads if its to pick information that is feeding your confirmation bias? I don't even think you are doing this voluntarily. You are right though that we don't know if 461 is her "official scumlist" But she still ended up flipping her read on me which is the relevant part, it makes you seems incoherent in what information you take to form your reads

This is making me laugh. 386 =/= he stopped scumreading you. "Your posts are okay" means nothing of the sort. All it means is that your style has changed, radically, within time of day 1, which is not necessarily townie; town doesn't go to an effort to look like town. But that's beside the point. My point is, you can't tell anything rom his read on you from that statement. He does not come out and say he reads you as anything.

Also, A) Picking at very specific things in my argument is not going to help you or anyone. Some things I understand, but arguing over the number of scum on the wagon and whether Rask was helpful to town or not is stupid and nitpicking, and you know it. And B) What does

Why do you even care to take others' reads if its to pick information that is feeding your confirmation bias?

mean? I haven't taken reads from anyone yet. I'm starting with the obvious, blatant things that are indisputable and looking at those, not "taking from others' reads." I don't even know what that is supposed to mean!

At this point I'd like to say that I don't scumread Joey for the lynch last night. I scumread him for A) His relationship to the lynch last night, B) his interactions in this argument with me, which have all been attempts to make it look like I'm stupid and bad at mafia, and C) his general derisiveness to anyone who tries to actually scumread.

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I didn't see why a scum beef acted so lazy and "meh" about the gamestate if he was scum getting wagoned seemed like a big fuck you to his scum partner if he was scum also don't see him posting 431 as scum.

Idk I feel like town him cares a lot more, though that's possibly based of a biased sample

I'm inclined to agree with this thought-process based on the same sample that obviously couldn't be mentioned D1. It did feel quite different from that game.

IB thoughts on this? You should 100% know which game we refer to

Brafin

Well, I will agree there. That and his sheeping made me super suspect of him at first. But considering the fact that a number of people are unhappy with their roles, it doesn't surprise me that he was inactive. (That being said: Players, it's just mafia. just play! and Mod: Shouldn't this have been in the normal queue? I mean, it's flavored, but so are most of the games in the normal queue. I'm not complaining (Hydra!) but still.)

[InfernoBrafin]

Brafin

I dont have any fun answering to your posts brafin, you remind me of rob so i will be ignoring you from now on

So I finally make some decent points, and what do you do? You use the excuse of "Not having any fun" to avoid answering any of the questions I just asked you.
You're avoiding the fact that I've asked you some things that you just can't answer, because you really have no good defense for yourself.

Despite wanting to finish my reading becasue I may not still be here d3, I REALLY want this lynched.

[InfernoBrafin]

Brafin:

Firstly, EWBOP: I don't scumread Joey for the lynch d1, is scumread him for the KILL n1 and his relationship to it.

Gamma Emerald: Because he posted five times. Count them: Five. And none of those were AI posts. There was literally no information to be gleaned from his play whatsoever. His lynch was based soley on the fact that he was lurking, which is really, really bad. Now, if he had been lurking, say, because his behavior had been scummy previously, I would have been far more invested in the lynch. But as it was, there was no other reason for that lynch but the fact that he was a lurker. Which means scum manipulated that wagon to make it look like Beef was scummy when in fact he wasn't, and then town sheeped it, which is one reason why I find Joey's response to the whole thing sus as frack.

I'm going to get back to my reads in a bit, but I appreciate the civilized conversation, GE.

[InfernoBrafin]

Inferno:

Wall post incoming!

I'm going to hit posts all out of order and a little bir randomly, but bear with.

Both of Beef's vote were terrible tho

I dunno, I would argue that Beef's vote on us wasn't so bad. I mean, it made a little bit of sense considering our play in Earthbound.
In fact, All of Beef's votes had reasons behind them, even if they weren't the best. They made sense from an objective standpoint.

I dont have any fun answering to your posts brafin, you remind me of

rob

so i will be ignoring you from now on

This is highly evasive and looks like Joey trying to get out of a situation he doesn't want to be in. Also, could the bolded above be a flavor claim? Or is this someone I should know about.

Something else that 's really bothering me is that the moment Brafin attempts any real scumhunting, no matter how forced it reads or bad it is, Joey immediately starts trying to tear him apart with multiple AtPs and claims of bad logic. Which may be partly true, but honestly, what he's doing is somewhat working, trying to generate real discussion in gamesolving, and whatnot. So I don't understand the big fuss. I mean to be honest, d2 was a lot of throwing around accusations until James started posting. That's hardly going to help town. (And this is not accusing anyone of not contributing or saying that every post was just wild accusations: This has just been the general gist of the game since it started.)

Mod: Shouldn't this have been in the normal queue? I mean, it's flavored, but so are most of the games in the normal queue. I'm not complaining (Hydra!) but still.)

I'm guessing this has something to do with the nature of the roles. They may not be normal aligned.

Brafin:

Hold up, I'm confused. What "Jump" makes no sense. I'm logically coming to conclusions. There is no "jumping."

No you arent, you obviously have no damn clue about the game

You are obviously trying to push your idea of mafia and how mafia should be played.

I really don't like this, from either POV. This could have been explained way better by James, but at the same time, this very much highlights the dung hurling that Joey is doing right now. These statements aren't compatible at all. He has no clue about how to play the game, yet he's trying to force his style of play on everyone else? If he had no clue how to play the game, that would be the exact opposite of what James would do here!

Can someone meta analyze Joey real quick and see if he's ever been scum in a game like this before? Or does someone know of a scum game he was in that was similar to this? Because (And I could be very wrong here, just tossing ideas around) this could be newbscum flailing in a larger game. Unlikely, but worth a shot.

lol flaily ? Im just like on my ass to see the terrible posts and logic, and i know what kind of player this is and i know that i always had issues with those.

I could argue that while James' logic is not great, it's far better than yours, and he's beeign far more gamesolvey then you are. I've seen very little logic from you. PLus, "I know what kind of player this is" is very ambiguous. It's a shading AtP (stop shading the corn man) and can also come from scum. As scum wouldn't like tryhard gamesolvers, would they, Joey?

Raks voted me on meta which was ridicule and she quickly changed her reads (mind you, im town). You tho, are voting me on confbias and seriously dysfonctionnal logic, your posts are hardly intelligible with the format you are using

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That lynch on Beef was a blatant, scum-driven

: How and why ? Why was it blatantly scum driven?

TOWN does not push a quick lynch within a week of starting the game. Only scum. Town is not stupid; they want days to last as long as possible.

Conservative mindset for subpar and average player, no offense. I SINCERELY FUCKING SCUMREAD THE SHIT OUT OF THAT MEATBOI. Also, pushing a lynch does NOT equate pushing a quick lynch, if you read my iso i even unvoted at some point because i wanted to give the day more time. Its true tho that i then enabled the quicklynch and that is because i was overwhelmingly confident in my scumread. Quick-lynches might be naturally more inclined to benefit scum in the grand scheme, that is correct, but i had no problem quicklynching beef there. If you want meta, i have quicklynched at least 2 games d1 as town on site.

First off, you actually never unvoted Beef. I just read your ISO, and there's only one vote from you, on Beef. and no unvotes. So this alone is a blatant lie. Then, you go on to say that quicklynches are more likely to help scum in the long run. So why did you quicklynch, exactly? Finally, selfmetaing yourself in this situation does not arn your self any town points. Those scenarios could be wildly different than the one we are facing now, and you said nothing about your scumgame. So saying that you've quicklynched twice as town over the course of a year on this site means very little in terms of anything.

useless to town quick-mis-lynch, and everyone here knows it

: I disagree, i really really did expect a scum flip, why wouldnt you ? can you iso beef and tell me you have any reason to not-think hes scum?

We'll start with the fact that he only posted five time. There's no way ANYONE can get enough info from that. So to say you were sure he'd "flip scum" is ludicrous.

I disagree, just because you dont share my read does not mean that its not valable. You are obviously trying to push your idea of mafia and how mafia should be played. I am a tone reader and im coming from a chat mafia not a forum mafia, im used to form reads or very very few posts/content. And yes, i was damn fucking sure he was flipping scum so sue me

Would you lease exlain how you can be 100% percent confident in a scumread from a player that posted only five times, and while admittedly did not have great posts, actually had posts that were more gamesolvey than almost the entire rest of the game? Plus you've been on the site for over a year. Yet you are still playing on this site wit ha "chat mafia" mindset? ANd yet your accusing JAmes of having no idea what he's doing? Seems somewhat contradictory.

Which means there is at least one, if not two, scum on that wagon.

: Conclusion from wrong premises. You could easily claim that scum didnt want to be associated with a green flip and/or helped the ml, we just dont know as of yet

This makes no sense. I don't even know what you mean by this.

Your conclusion is that theres scum on the wagon, but actually we just dont know. Its true that there is probably one on there just for the sake of probabiliy but trying to guess the number of people on that wagon like that (1 or 2 or 3) is a leap of logic that you shouldnt be comfortable with. You should take another approach at the wagon

So it's illigocal to conclude that since it was a VT flip, there was at least one scum on the wagon, considering that it was a quicklynch? And two seems reasonable considering the nature of the lynch. James isn't "guessing" anything, he's making a rough estimate of the wagon based on the scenario. HE's not even coming out and making any sure claims. He's stating all the reasonable possibilities. Plus, I said more or less the same thing earlier about the number of scum on the wagon, and you didn't say a word about that. Why make such a fuss over it here?

Rask was not particularly helpful or townie or active

: You know Rask was one of the most resistant slot toward the meatboi, her thought process is also genuine regarding her votes toward the meatboi. I personnaly do not know why rask why killed either, i didnt read her as a pr at all so eh

Then what is your point?

That rask could be killed for tons of reasons ? you basically listed 4 reasons why she mightve died, including my names almost everywhere, this is silly

How is this silly?

Sus players of Rask: Joey, Maria, Beef

: That's false, rask outed a scumpool before the d1 hammer and I wasn't part of said scumpool. Why would you include her early scumreads that were not relevant at the end of d1 ? Also if rask fosed beef dont you think there might be a other town who fosed beef too ?

A) Everything is important. B) I don't know what #461 is, but that's no scumlist. There is no request for one, no note that it is a scumlist, nothing. There is nothing else that could be a "scumlist."

Why the fuck are you taking into consideration tha rask fosed me but not that she ended up townreading me ? Why do you even care to take other's read if its to pick information that is feeding your confirmation bias ? I dont even think you are doing this voluntarily. You are right tho that we dont know if 461 is her "official scumlist" But she still ended up flippig her read on me which is the relevant part, it makes you seems uncoherent in what information you take to form your reads

I guess I can see this as a scumlist, but I don't understand how that at all lets you off the hook or makes you nay less scummy right now. Plus, that doesn't mean he townread you. It doesn't mean anything in terms of you. James is not great here, but on the other hand, your response is really bad. Nowhere does Rask ever say he has any sort of read on you.

There's a lot of bull going on in the above post from Joey. Very much trying to shut James down before he really gets started.

Count them: Five. And none of those were AI posts.

thats ehh like.. your opinion man

First off, 7 posts, not 5. I don't know how anyone came up with 5 posts. Second, if we're going to talk about AI and opinions, it's my opinion that Beef's posts were AI leaning towards town. He was actally trying to game sovle. I don't have any clue where your scumread on him comes from, but you should defintiely point them out Joey. Because I think you're BSing to cover bad play.

Brafin, ppl didnt even vote the meat boi for lurking, like seriously you are frustrating

Then please explain what the lynch was on.

Which means scum manipulated that wagon to make it look like Beef was scummy when in fact he wasn't

not it doesnt, maybe town just scumread the shit fuck out of a scummy town slot

Again, what was scummy about a 7 post gamesolving slot?

Brafin

I dont have any fun answering to your posts brafin, you remind me of rob so i will be ignoring you from now on

So I finally make some decent points, and what do you do? You use the excuse of "Not having any fun" to avoid answering any of the questions I just asked you.
You're avoiding the fact that I've asked you some things that you just can't answer, because you really have no good defense for yourself.

Despite wanting to finish my reading becasue I may not still be here d3, I REALLY want this lynched.

you are dense as a fucking rock bud, i dont have fun wasting my time, i dont expect you to ever consider new infos

How about you stop with the AtPing all over James trying to do reads and shut the frick up for a little while.

Yeah, Acryon might be scum looking for an easy push

Explain this now.

Going to keep reading up on D1 soon.

[InfernoBrafin]

Brafin

I dont have any fun answering to your posts brafin, you remind me of rob so i will be ignoring you from now on

So I finally make some decent points, and what do you do? You use the excuse of "Not having any fun" to avoid answering any of the questions I just asked you.
You're avoiding the fact that I've asked you some things that you just can't answer, because you really have no good defense for yourself.

Despite wanting to finish my reading because I may not still be here d3, I REALLY want this lynched.

you are dense as a fucking rock bud, I don't have fun wasting my time, I don't expect you to ever consider new info

Brafin

I don't even know what this is supposed to mean. I mean, is it just mudslinging to try to get me to shut up? Is it just random? What new information am I not considering? Or am I misreading that, and do you mean something else entirely? I haven't been able to make heads or tails of half of your posts, but I couldn't even begin to tell you what this means. Help plz.

[InfernoBrafin]

Both of Beef's vote were terrible tho

Since when does bad vote == scum? I vote poorly all the time. All town does. That's part of the game. Bad votes are NAI.

[InfernoBrafin]

Brafin:

Now, bad REASONING, such as "This guy posted very little, so he's scum;" that's AI, and a scum AI at that. That's half of why I find Joey in my scumpool: his logic sucks, and when someone points it out, he either mocks them, derides them, ignores them, or tries to make them look stupid, all of which are also scum AI.

[InfernoBrafin]

Infenro:

@Gamma:
I think out of context, they look bad, but honestly, calling out KO on the fact that she voted 3 times in the course of 10 posts without any real explanation is not as bad as it looks. It makes sense from a game solving perspective.
And honestly, I would have done the same thing on the Joey vote if I was in Beef's shoes. His reads on the slot are awful.

So they;re not great posts, but they are certainly not scum driven either. Which is one of the reasons I think that the lynch was scum forced, and therefore, why it would not suprise me if there were three scum on the wagon. Though like I've said, this is highly unlikely.

Another thought is that Joey is trying really hard to convince this slot that there were no scum on the wagon HE was on.

P-edit:
A) Shut the frick up on the last post. You're not buddying, that's called an attempt to blow me off by calling me mislead town. You didn't even answer anything, you just blew me off.
B) He did far more gamesolving than you have this game, so I wouldn't be talking.
C) The bussing thing you are so kindly referring to you are misrepping or misunderstanding, IDK which. My point is that I started being obnoxious, and you began to sheep what I was doing. This pshycologically creates a situation where I look at you as town because of the way you are following me around. Because egos. Except I'm a little bit smarter than that. I understand the idea of scum pairing up wiht bad town and I'll admit I'm not great at this game) in an attempt to get the town to sheep them on lynches. Which is what I think you are doing.

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"This guy posted very little, so he's scum;"

like this post is a showcase about brafin's density. I literraly told him that i was not fosing beef about his activity at all yet he keeps making post implying i was.

First off, you voted him. Not even an FOS.
Second, would you please explain where your read came from then? Becasue the rest of us are all just dying to know over here.

[InfernoBrafin]

EBWOP: Post 568 was by

Inferno

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Im here, should get a ketchup post up later.

Mmm, ketchup.

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Inferno:

@Pint: I don't know what sort of convoluted idea of double play you think this slot has, but your thought on this slot makes me cringe. Not saying t's dumb. It just makes me cringe.
I mean honestly. If we were scum, in what world does James' tryhard scumhunting make sense?

@Gamma: Post #577 is sarcasm, right? Right?

@Joey: 578 and 581 is such BS. You're completely straw manning my point. Plus, Post 585 is an excuse for explaining your reads. YOU were the one who initiated this 1v1, not us.

@Maria: I agree that Index sound incredibly fake.

Post #601: Joey, actually frick the heck off. YOU were the one who initiated this 1v1 in response to James trying to scumhunt. So stop being an asshole about every fricking thing that we post. How the heck does these little AtPs on everything I say ever come from town?

[InfernoBrafin]

Inferno:

So what you are saying, Pint, in layman's terms, is that you think everything James' is doing is made up to get a mislynch.
Also, "tryharding setting a mislynch" if you think we are scum is ORLYscum.

If we're scum, then what we are doing is scummy.
You think we are scum.
Therefore, what we are doing is scummy.

Plus, this is literally what happened in the last hydra game that happened, where Brafin came out a lot stronger after d1. Gamma can back this up (he was modding the game, for pete's sake).

So yeah, I'll stick to my cringing.

Finally, we never said that there wasn't scum off the wagon. We've just said that there is most likely scum ON the wagon. So your accusation makes no sense.