What does a Watcher see?

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What does a Watcher do?

(1) Learns who targetted a chosen player that night
73
87%
(2) Learns whether a chosen player person targetted anybody else that night (but no further details)
3
4%
(3) Something else
1
1%
There is no comedy option in this poll
7
8%
 
Total votes: 84

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What does a Watcher see?

Post Post #0 (ISO) » Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:53 pm

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I just re-wrote the wiki definition of Watcher and thought I'd make this poll to ensure that my view is the generally accepted one.

My view is (1) - previously the wiki said (2).
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Post Post #1 (ISO) » Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:57 pm

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Mr Stoofer wrote:I just re-wrote the wiki definition of Watcher and thought I'd make this poll to ensure that my view is the generally accepted one.

My view is (1) - previously the wiki said (2).
Agree. 2 is a tracker variant (normally, the tracker also learns who the chosen character targetted).
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Post Post #2 (ISO) » Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:58 pm

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(1) is always what I've understood to be a watcher.
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Post Post #3 (ISO) » Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:09 am

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EDIT:

(1) Of course.
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Post Post #4 (ISO) » Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:19 am

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Watchees?
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Post Post #5 (ISO) » Tue Apr 01, 2008 1:19 am

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(2).
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Post Post #6 (ISO) » Tue Apr 01, 2008 1:21 am

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The Fonz wrote:(2).
Really? Can you link to a recent example?
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Post Post #7 (ISO) » Tue Apr 01, 2008 1:29 am

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Mini 433 modded by Shea, in which I had that role. Only time I've had watcher of either description. The other one, at least back in the day, was called nightwatchman.
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Post Post #8 (ISO) » Tue Apr 01, 2008 1:29 am

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2=Tracker
1=Watcher
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Post Post #9 (ISO) » Tue Apr 01, 2008 1:30 am

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JordanA24 wrote:2=Tracker
1=Watcher
A tracker finds out who the player targetted, though.
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Post Post #10 (ISO) » Tue Apr 01, 2008 1:48 am

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2 = bad tracker
1 = watcher
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Post Post #11 (ISO) » Tue Apr 01, 2008 3:44 am

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(1), with or without knowing who targetted him
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Post Post #12 (ISO) » Tue Apr 01, 2008 3:50 am

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[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"](1), with or without knowing who targetted him[/quote]
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Post Post #13 (ISO) » Tue Apr 01, 2008 3:51 am

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(1) is a watcher. (2) is a weaker tracker variant.
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Post Post #14 (ISO) » Tue Apr 01, 2008 3:52 am

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[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"](1), with or without knowing who targetted him[/quote]"Standard" watcher learns who targetted him - just knowing he was targetted is much less useful than the analog tracker variant knowing a player targetted someone but not who.
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Post Post #15 (ISO) » Tue Apr 01, 2008 4:10 am

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1 is a watcher, 2 is a fountain watch.
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Post Post #16 (ISO) » Tue Apr 01, 2008 4:51 am

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[quote="Seol"][quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"](1), with or without knowing who targetted him[/quote]"Standard" watcher learns who targetted him - just knowing he was targetted is much less useful than the analog tracker variant knowing a player targetted someone but not who.[/quote]The "Standard" Watcher is used as both knowing and not knowing who targetted him. It's just what the mod preffered to pick. They're both perfectly fine roles.
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Post Post #17 (ISO) » Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:05 am

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armlx wrote:2 = bad tracker
1 = watcher
What he said
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Post Post #18 (ISO) » Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:32 am

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[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"][quote="Seol"][quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"](1), with or without knowing who targetted him[/quote]"Standard" watcher learns who targetted him - just knowing he was targetted is much less useful than the analog tracker variant knowing a player targetted someone but not who.[/quote]The "Standard" Watcher is used as both knowing and not knowing who targetted him. It's just what the mod preffered to pick. They're both perfectly fine roles.[/quote]They're both fine, but I hardly ever see the latter version. It isn't used nearly as regularly - "Watcher" virtually
always
means they know who targetted their target. That's why I said that's the "standard" version, it's not a value judgment on either role.
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Post Post #19 (ISO) » Wed Apr 02, 2008 3:15 am

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armlx wrote:2 = bad tracker
1 = watcher
this.
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Post Post #20 (ISO) » Wed Apr 02, 2008 3:38 am

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Wait, weren't you the one claiming you
didn't
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Post Post #21 (ISO) » Wed Apr 02, 2008 4:03 am

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I voted 2, but I meant 1. I'm surprised that article has been incorrect for so long.
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Post Post #22 (ISO) » Wed Apr 02, 2008 4:13 am

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I edited it slightly, to include the alternate (where Watcher is really just a weak tracker):
http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php ... #Variation

Do you guys think that that's an accurate description?
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Post Post #23 (ISO) » Wed Apr 02, 2008 4:16 am

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Xdaamno wrote:I voted 2, but I meant 1. I'm surprised that article has been incorrect for so long.
What the wiki said was what watcher had been considered to be, as far as i can make out, since the founding of the site (i actually read old games to confirm this). That a bunch of people came along and tried to redefine the role does not render the wiki 'wrong.'

And yes, I know i'm in a minority of one here.
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Post Post #24 (ISO) » Wed Apr 02, 2008 4:18 am

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The Fonz wrote:
Xdaamno wrote:I voted 2, but I meant 1. I'm surprised that article has been incorrect for so long.
What the wiki said was what watcher had been considered to be, as far as i can make out, since the founding of the site (i actually read old games to confirm this). That a bunch of people came along and tried to redefine the role does not render the wiki 'wrong.'

And yes, I know i'm in a minority of one here.
Fair enough. I checked and it did include the 'variation' before Stoof edited it.

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