Open 714: Tit for Tat [Game Over]

[Mathdino]

We want to jail a VT claim imo. I think that should be Luca.

And no, Luca hasn't claimed VT, but I don't think he's a power role.

[Mathdino]

Fucking lol

HEAL: Paradox

Paradox you're gonna have to explain why you've been softclaiming power role for 2 days straight. That's a major part of why I was townreading you.

[Mathdino]

Hey guys lemme drop where half of my locktownread on Paradox came from.

I doubt this slot is a PR for reasons that it'd probably be anti-town to discuss

.

If you think that I would never forget if I were a PR because I seem like I have a great memory, you're dead wrong. In fact, I'm pretty sure RedFlavor only asked us to confirm our alignments, which means I never even had to type back my role.

Incorrect. I believe you are not a PR for other reasons.

HOT TAKE: I'm 99% dying tonight.

But you literally JUST TOLD jk not to counterclaim, so the "suboptimal" strategy, claiming VT, isn't suboptimal anymore. Why couldn't you have waited until after the claim to say this?

Now let me think what I can do. I fricking want to join this mutant wagon, but I don't b/c I'm not confident in him. A dino or A50 lynch is not going anywhere, even though they're quite obviously scum manipulating town. I have no idea how you guys are this blind to see it but w/e. I don't want to votepark him again because look where that went last time so I'm going to put in a humble request,

because I'm sure he's not PR

and I'm almost certain he's scum:

@vig: kill dino.

no no no frick you pintu.

Do not vig pintu, it's a bad idea, he's town. Anen is likely town. I'm not getting behind an anen lynch today, and I certainly oppose it.

What if we lynch dino, then if he's town, vig anen, if he's scum, vig mutant or jmo.[/quote]
From this, I locked Paradox as for sure TPR.

But he's not a fucking vig so what the hell was this all about?

[Mathdino]

Messed up the last quote but yeah.

HURT: Paradox
HEAL: Aneninen

I'd much rather have Aneninen as conftown than Paradox.

[Mathdino]

Explain every single post you made in the quote wall in 1806.

1. Why did you believe I was not a PR?

2. Why was it anti-town to explain this?

3. Why did you think you were dying N1?

4. Elaborate on the issue you were taking in 1153.

5. Explain how the fuck you still want me vigged after literally every single read you had on D1 was wrong.

[Mathdino]

- How was I not acting like I was carrying a big stick? I went on about how I wasn't getting D1 lynched repeatedly.

- I literally claimed at least 10 times that I didn't remember my role PM, yet you continued to claim I wasn't a PR.

- Why the hell would you repeatedly verbalise that you didn't think I was a PR in the first place?

[Mathdino]

LOOOOOOOOL

VIG SHOULD CLEARLY NOT REVEAL

[Mathdino]

Then it's a good thing I'm not actively vighunting?

@Gamma:

Aneninen has already claimed VT. He should clearly be the one to jail, given that jailing jmo, NSG, or mutant (all of whom had no issue with vigging pintu) runs the risk of jailing the vig.

VOTE: Jay

When he flips scum:

Vig Paradox
Jail Aneninen

If he flps VT:

Vig mutantdevle
Jail whoever you want

If he flips Jailkeeper:

Vig Gamma Emerald

Sound good? Good.

Jay you can self-hammer.

[Mathdino]

If you're town, you've successfully outed and sealed the fate of the jailkeeper, while forfeiting your right to direct the town in your absence.

You say you thought I was jailkeeper, yet repeatedly said through D1 that you didn't think I was a PR,

even started wagoning me and A50

, ignored my reads, and were fully aware that you were my and A50's top scumread for today, yet you expected you could claim jailkeeper and I would just let you get away with it? If I were jailkeeper I would've counterclaimed on the spot.
If you're town, you need to take a serious look at your play. Developing a meta of fakeclaiming to save yourself is horrid.
A better strategy is to not ignore players' reads when you know they're good at reading each other. Get better as town and you won't have to fakeclaim.

If you're scum, hats off, you played fine and got fucked by good town.

Yeah I'm ready to end the day.

[Mathdino]

If you actually have no regrets, you've basically made yourself the hands down optimal policy lynch of the open queue.

[Mathdino]

When he flips scum:

Vig Paradox
Jail Aneninen

If he flps VT:

Vig mutantdevle
Jail whoever you want

If he flips Jailkeeper:

Vig Gamma Emerald

[Mathdino]

NSG made a terrible shot

It's mutant/Paradox, and gammas jail tonight will give us the 1 mislynch to solve it

[Mathdino]

I should basically be conf town once mutant flips scum

[Mathdino]

Whoever is scum obviously had a good idea NSG was vig - missing a pr would have basically been game over for scum at this point.

From my perspective it could have been Mutant, jmo or NSG - which I guess lends value to Mutant being one of the scum.

The vig was super obviously in {NSG, jmo}. Jay literally openly fished for the vig. That combined with NSG referring to N1 as a confidence booster, yeah.

What I'm wondering is what kind of scumteam thinks vig is actually a bigger threat to them than jailkeeper.

Do we feel safe ruling out a Math/Paradox scumteam? I've been paranoid about that for a while, but there were a few interactions which make it seem unlikely.

If we can rule that out then at least one of Mutant/Anen are scum.

You should also rule out a Math/mutant scumteam on the basis that I tried my damnedest to get him vigged.

My basic argument here is to Gamma:
The scumteam made an objectively suboptimal play there. Confirmed Jailkeeper before Possible Vigilante in potential MyLo is the correct call.

That is not a play I would even have thought of making. The scumteam for whatever reason thought the jailkeeper was less of a threat than the vig.

This implies one of 2 things:
1. Your reads are significantly shittier than NSG's
2. mutant is likely scum, AND mutant is scum who took the shot knowing you would jail elsewhere.

@NSG:

To be clear the reason that was a questionable shot is because Gamma very well could've jailed jmo, stopping the shot altogether.

[Mathdino]

jmo16mla

(4) ~

northsidegal

, Mathdino, TheGoldenParadox,

Luca Blight

jmo16mla (4) ~ northsidegal, Creature, Gamma Emerald, JaydragonKing

RVS jmo wagon next to the policy jmo wagon.

Mathdino (4) ~

JaydragonKing

, TheGoldenParadox,

Luca Blight

,

Gamma Emerald

Everyone ballsy enough to vote me.

northsidegal

(4) ~

Creature

,

Mathdino

, TheGoldenParadox,

JaydragonKing

northsidegal

(4) ~

JaydragonKing

,

Almost50

,

Mathdino

,

Luca Blight

Early pressure wagon next to the lategame lurker wagon.

Gamma Emerald

(6) ~

jmo16mla

,

Pinturicchio

, Mathdino, TheGoldenParadox, mutantdevle,

Luca Blight

The Gamma wagon, now confirmed to be partially scum motivated.

Pinturicchio

(6) ~

northsidegal

, mutantdevle,

Luca Blight

, Mathdino,

Almost50

,

JaydragonKing

,

TheGoldenParadox

The Pintu "lynch"wagon, with TheGoldenParadox's intent to hammer.

Aneninen (5) ~ TheGoldenParadox, Mathdino,

Luca Blight

,

Almost50

,

Gamma Emerald

Aneninen (6) ~

Almost50

,

JaydragonKing

, Mathdino,

Luca Blight

,

Pinturicchio

, mutantdevle
Aneninen (6) ~ Mathdino,

Luca Blight

,

Almost50

,

Gamma Emerald

,

Pinturicchio

,

JaydragonKing

The many forms of the Aneninen wagon. All players who were on it are:
TheGoldenParadox, Mathdino, Luca Blight, Almost50, Gamma Emerald, JaydragonKing, Pinturicchio, mutantdevle.

mutantdevle (5) ~ Aneninen,

Gamma Emerald

, Mathdino,

Almost50

,

JaydragonKing

mutant counterwagon.

Almost50 (6) ~

Pinturicchio

,

JaydragonKing

,

Luca Blight

, mutantdevle, TheGoldenParadox,

Gamma Emerald

Shitshow of a lynch wagon.

Go to town, VCA enthusiasts.

If it isn't obvious by VCA alone that the scumteam is literally {mutant, Paradox} idk what to tell you.

We lynch one scum today, we win mechanically. We lynch ANYONE today, we can still win mechanically (it's just harder). That is why shooting the vigilante was the wrong call.

[Mathdino]

I actually really agree with Anen's point about Math manipulating the vig, which is why I feel one of them is scum.

Well then, what are you waiting for. Jump on the wagon again, let's lynch Aneninen and if he flips town, the vig shoots Dino.

If Aneninen flips scum, we follow the first plan and the vig shoots me.

This I guess means Anen is unlikely to be scum?

Yeah this is pretty blatant.

VOTE: mutant

Aneninen is basically conftown from that alone. I refuse to believe pintu is THAT good at scum.

Pick whichever of mutant/Paradox you think I'm more likely to be partners with if you're not confident about me. Since I'm literally trying to prove I'm not scum with mutant, I'd figured that'd be him, but w/e.

Lynch mutant, jail Paradox. If there's a kill somehow, it's Aneninen vs me. If there's no kill, lynch Paradox.

[Mathdino]

Let's get spicy:

VOTE: jmo16mla

Uh sure, Jay can die.

I think mutant is town, but whatever.

Also recall that mutant was literally the one who started using Creature's reads as a basis for generating reads.

That flips NKA around to idea of "mutant killed Creature for being on the wrong track so he could sheep him".

[Mathdino]

Gamma, it doesn't matter.

mutant was lined up to be vigged last night. If he's scum, he was 100% the one that took the shot. You jailing Paradox just slightly decreases the likelihood of Paradox/Aneninen scumteam in a kind of Bayesian way.

We lynch mutant, jail Paradox again. Or Aneninen if you're feeling super spicy. But Aneninen isn't scum.

Edit: Gamma, no, stop it. Jay openly fished for the vig. NSG was obvious vig.

[Mathdino]

ok I guess I'll not worry about Anen being scum

yet

. Also it's possible rolecop actually found the vig n1 so maybe we can smoke them out by finding some sort of crumb or inconcsistency.

I also have no idea why they would rolecop NSG over me for example.

Granted, if the team is mutant/Paradox, I guess I'd expect them to make bad night actions.

Shooting Creature for the NKA was itself a bad move tbh.

Plus if we're referencing Team Mafia, you should know from Team Mafia that I wouldn't shoot Creature while he was townreading me and my partner.

mutant, given that he explicitly used Creature's reads as a tool, definitely would.

[Mathdino]

Aneninen was doing it so I figured "what the hell".

But yeah we should end this.

[Mathdino]

Oh, yeah, and if I'm wrong on this, I fully accept that that's essentially a scumclaim from me.

[Mathdino]

Honestly this post pretty much confirms it. I've been in awkward 5p LyLos with a scumbuddy before, where you don't wanna hardbus (because you'd lose 3p) but you also can't figure out what to make of them.

Umm no, that's not how it works. If we lynch wrong today then we've as good as lost IMO. If today's lynch ends up as town then Gamma will have 3 players to potentially jail. Even though it's a 2/3 chance of jailing scum, only one of them is going to be performing the kill. A town flip means Gamma's jail will decide the game with only a 1/3 chance of winning. We shouldn't be so careless about this lynch.

I'm also not comfortable having the lynch be between myself and Paradox. Anen should be included in the pool as well. I think you and TGP are both town but TGP less so; by PoE that must mean TGP is scum but I am far more confident in Anen and that's who I want lynched today.

If we lynch wrong today, that gives Gamma a 50/50 shot at jailing the scum that does the kill. I think we can rule out more than enough scumteams to argue that it's basically gonna be 50/50.

You understand a scumflip would mean the game is basically over for scum?

Why would you be unwilling to lynch Paradox then if you don't think Math/Anen is the scumteam?

[Mathdino]

2. mutant is likely scum, AND mutant is scum who took the shot knowing you would jail elsewhere.

Umm, why does shooting a potential vig instead of a confirmed jailkeeper make specifically me scum exactly?

I'm saying that since we lined you up to be vigged, Gamma was definitely not jailing you, so you-scum would be free to perform the nightkill.

Shooting a potential vig instead of a confirmed jailkeeper actually makes Paradox scum, because he has no idea how to play mechanically optimally.

[Mathdino]

VOTE: Paradox

[Mathdino]

You agree a single scumflip solves the game.

Prove you're town by voting with me.

[Mathdino]

Like, you have to be aware that the town's general lynch preference today is
mutant > Paradox > Anen/Mathdino

You're straight up not getting your Aneninen lynch. Luca and I would never join that wagon.

[Mathdino]

also can i just point out that NSG shooting jmo (my townread, who is explicitly better lategame) on her own whim despite clear implied consensus on shooting mutant

is literally my exact proof that vigs are anti-town

had vig literally just been a named townie, we'd have lynched pintu D1, Jay D2, and mutant D3, leaving us in a better situation with fewer townies dead

[Mathdino]

Pedit2: Okay, I'll take up your offer on sheeping you on Paradox. I guess I kinda owe it to you after ignoring what you said about A50. But if you're wrong about this then you have no right to ever tell me to sheep you again on my town reads in any future games.

this but applied to literally everyone in this game

my townreads this game were
A50: who y'all lynched
jmo: who NSG vigged
Creats: who got shot
Gamma: cleared by VCA, and was scummy by play because PRs play scummy
Paradox: who i literally only townread because he was softclaiming power role constantly throughout D1

i also scumread all the TPRs which is pretty par for the course for me

god-tier PoE

[Mathdino]

I'm unvoting if I see a naked vote though because that usually means that there's a quick hammer inbound.

This is inconsistent. What possible scumteams could quickhammer?

[Mathdino]

You think Aneninen blows up at me like he did if I were bussing him

solely using PoE logic?

[Mathdino]

I said he was WILLING to bus. Which Anen quickly clarified by noting that he was literally not the one bussing in the game I linked.

[Mathdino]

I want to go through things a bit more before choosing who to lynch
Also I don't particularly understand what Luca did to get to townlock status

Claiming backup rolecop was a major element of that

VOTE: mutant

Wanted to see if Paradox would try to get out of lynching mutant, but yeah, mutant is more likely scum here.

[Mathdino]

Then we're playing a game of "who isn't scum with Aneninen" because you're never gonna get me to lynch Anen today.

[Mathdino]

\My second thought is that I have read many games with GoldenParadox in them and have played with him too, and I think I can sort him pretty easily (I think I always got his role correct except for one time he fakeclaimed being VT). That being said, I'm gut townreading him for the way he has posted until now. I need more posts from him to townread him for real, but he is now in my top town tier.

This is a ridiculous ill-defined scumbuddy read.

[Mathdino]

I was pointing out that, by your logic, it would be more reasonable to go for someone who jumped on a wagon than someone whose wagon didn't get momentum because "scum didn't want to vote him". Aneni's case (as pointed out by Aneni himself) has no explanation at all, why would town jump there? Gamma's case, on the other hand, had some good arguments so it would be easier to jump there for scum. I'm not saying you are one of those scums; I'm actually thinking mutant could be scum on that jump and he had to build his case against him AFTER jumping and not BEFORE jumping. BUT, on my point of view, I can't get much information from that, as I am still scumleaning Gamma (not scumreading any more, tho).
So, my point is: could it be a better wagon than Aneni's wagon right now? What is it about Creature and A50 that you trust them so much? If you think scum jumped on the Gamma wagon, shouldn't a mutant wagon have more sense at this point?

Here we have pintu weighing the benefits of lynching Aneninen vs lynching mutant.

Look, we don't even need to rule out a scumteam, we can just assert that pintu is scum with Paradox.

Look at the wagon data and tell me Paradox isn't hilariously obvscum, ESPECIALLY SO if you're townreading me.

[Mathdino]

Intent to hammer.

@dino, fine. But tomorrow, no guarantees. I believe that you+A50+pintu is a very probable scumteam here based on rereading and interactions.

Paradox gives intent to hammer right after Jay does, TRIES TO PAIR SCUMPINTU WITH ME/A50, then retracts the hammer, hard defends pintu, and constantly calls on the vig to shoot me.

[Mathdino]

Can we realize that Pin said "for now," which is actually quite scummy?

I think he meant "for now" as in all he is doing 'for now' is claiming VT. I doubt he's going to come back and claim something else

Also, I'd be more comfortable lynching Anen after Pintu's flip.

HELLO

SCUM/SCUM INTERACTION RIGHT HERE

[Mathdino]

Am I flip floppy?

I assert that the scumteam is mutant/Paradox. I'm obviously willing to lynch either.

Paradox scumflip clears me harder than a mutant scumflip so I suppose that's optimal, but given that I'm still objectively a suspect, I'll vote whichever of mutant/Paradox makes them most comfortable.

[Mathdino]

Yup. Aneninen, if scum, was basically doing nothing for his wincon, with the sole exception of trying to bus/mislynch mutantdevle.

VOTE: Paradox

I think it's clear that one of mutant/Aneninen is scum. Them being scum together makes no sense with VCA.

[Mathdino]

I mean probably something to do with the fact that I'm powerlynching him if he FoSes me.

[Mathdino]

I'm currently thinking:

vig Anen, leave Pin alive, lynch either Mutant or jmo.

What if we lynch dino, then if he's town, vig anen, if he's scum, vig mutant or jmo.

Hey mutant what do you think of this post right here?

Fuck, man, I could literally lynch either of you. These Aneninen scumteams are ludicrous.

[Mathdino]

Why would he bus Aneninen here when he could legit just say "I trust Dino's reads if he's town, so vig Pintu"?

[Mathdino]

don't wanna overgame but if a game ends soon or smth I'll join 718

Hey Gamma if you actually want to end a game soon you'll vote between mutant and Paradox.

We have them caught in a bus. The wait is tiresome.

[Mathdino]

Something something I'm obviously not scum with Aneninen so this isn't a quickhammer, and Paradox claiming it is is basically a scumclaim.

VOTE: mutant

[Mathdino]

Paradox claiming it is is basically a scumclaim.

*If Paradox claims it is, he's basically scumclaiming.

[Mathdino]

Gamma, jail Paradox tonight. Obviously your death confs him as town and means we lynch Anen.

Upon no kill, we lynch Paradox and I guess you're free to jail me.

[Mathdino]

VOTE: Paradox

Nope, a couple things in Paradox's ISO are making me wary of him/Anen.

[Mathdino]

SOMEONE HAMMER THANK YOU

Gamma jail mutant if this flips scum

if this flips town, do what you want

[Mathdino]

That's game over. mutant confirmed not scum with Aneninen.

[Mathdino]

You're confirmed town. Or at least confirmed not scum with me or mutant.

If you're scum, you're specifically scum with Paradox.

That means the possible scumteams are:
Paradox/Aneninen
Paradox/mutant
Paradox/Mathdino (which is disproved by me insisting on lynching him today even after Gamma picked mutant)
mutant/Mathdino (which is disproved by me having to remind NSG that mutant is scummy and needs to be vigged)

I don't think I need to tell you how to vote here.

[Mathdino]

Gamma, I and the rest of the town will be acting tomorrow as if you jailed mutant.

If you fail to jail mutant and die... that's gonna be a loss.

[Mathdino]

this obviously goes out the window if mutant flips town

because that would mean aneninen is afraid you'll jail correctly

[Mathdino]

*if Paradox flips town

[Mathdino]

Town in no way deserved this

Congrats to mafia for bringing it to a coin flip

[Mathdino]

A50, had you not self-hammered, we could've easily gotten Aneninen lynched that day.

Creature's reads were enough to get one scum, lol.

Gamma clear town MVP, was wagoned hard for being right.

Jay... you can't keep doing this. Had Gamma lost the coinflip, I'd be comfortable arguing town loss was your responsibility.

jmo is a lategame player and was obvtown, lol.

Luca nailed pintu gj wp.

NSG WHY DID YOU VIG JMO WHEN WE AGREED ON MUTANT
VIGS ARE ANTI-TOWN

Paradox.
- Don't publicly rolefish
- Think before you post
- Realise that not every case of people having good reads is literally "you're scum"
ty

Scumteam deserved the win. None of them obvtowned but none of them obvscummed either (other than mutant's scumslip which NSG didn't vig).

[Mathdino]

Fakeclaiming and drawing the nightkill doesn't work when scum literally have a rolecop to check for themselves. It just gives scum more mislynches.

[Mathdino]

btw i'm also willing to bet that jay is our mafia rolecop

he's actively PR hunting and also taunted us with the A50 "scumflip"

classic jay thing to do as scum, breadcrumbing his actual scum role

Just pointing out, we don't actually have to hunt the rolecop necessarily. Once we kill either of the last 2 scum they practically lose the role (unless they are so stupid they'd rather role check someone instead of killing). But, in Jay's case, I guess this works as an argument they are scum.

not a hard scumslip but a soft one which NSG and i pointed out

enough for me to solidify what was originally a game-long nullread on you into a hard scumread

you should've been vigged for this

[Mathdino]

also lol at the idea of getting me to hard townread you by replicating my advice to you at the end of stack the deck

that was advice on getting townread by other people

pocketing me is a somewhat different process

[Mathdino]

something something it was the way you said it

and the fact that you didn't make any indication of having actually gone and read the setup post

it was very much different from your behaviour in Switch, where i locktowned you (unfortunately only after i died, but you can read that PT to see why i townread you there)

i'm a tell-reliant player, i assume any scum that isn't brain-dead can easily fake scumhunting and charisma

the advice i gave you in stack the deck was more charisma-focused and "how to not get mislynched" IIRC

i am not as good at scum as i am at town so my advice in not getting lynched as scum would be different
if i had any

[Mathdino]

i mean i feel like he successfully did that on literally every day possible

dodged the lynch to let A50, Jay, AND Paradox self-destruct

the distancing between this scumteam was god-tier, i literally switched to Paradox because i was convinced mutant/aneninen made 0 sense

[Mathdino]

I mean I still hold that pintu got "lynched".

I want to blame A50 for his self-hammer but I also blame every townie who refused to listen to me fucking locktowning him sooooo

[Mathdino]

Also what was up with Paradox actually softclaiming PR at every opportunity?

Like, fuck, both Jay AND Paradox ALONG WITH THE ENTIRE SCUMTEAM tried to rolefish me when I explicitly didn't lie about having forgotten my role. I legitimately thought I could've been the jailkeeper near the start of the game.

I mean yeah it was a gambit but also a case of "Of course I'm going to exploit my lack of remembrance to gain unreadability".

Assuming I'd lie like that as town was faulty af

[Mathdino]

also jay stop PR hunting in the game thread in front of everyone thanks

i mean mafia already knew who the vig was but if i ever thought there was even a chance you were town, it was completely nullified by you rolefishing people

[Mathdino]

Gamma failing to see it was a single oversight I think. Jay and Paradox going along with the clearly scum-motivated wagon was just bad.

The thing is, no one would've quickhammered and NSG and Creature had still not come back to give input (which would probably have saved you from the lynch).

You pride yourself on being somewhat unreadable, I think. But you have it both ways, being unreadable and also not be misread by bad town

[Mathdino]

This setup is hella townsided btw

can you stop commenting in every thread calling town shit or calling setups townsided

[Mathdino]

I doubt this slot is a PR for reasons that it'd probably be anti-town to discuss

.

If you think that I would never forget if I were a PR because I seem like I have a great memory, you're dead wrong. In fact, I'm pretty sure RedFlavor only asked us to confirm our alignments, which means I never even had to type back my role.

Incorrect. I believe you are not a PR for other reasons.

This implies you're a power role yourself, making it less likely that I'm a power role.

I was telling the truth with respect to forgetting my role, so I was like "what the fuck are you using to read my role then and why are you doing it publicly".

HOT TAKE: I'm 99% dying tonight.

"I'm dying tonight" is a major PR softclaim. Have you ever been nightkilled as VT? And if the scumteam was A50/Mathdino, why would we kill you when you're an easy mislynch?

But you literally JUST TOLD jk not to counterclaim, so the "suboptimal" strategy, claiming VT, isn't suboptimal anymore. Why couldn't you have waited until after the claim to say this?

This had tinges of "I'm the jailkeeper and I'm mad about Mathdino controlling me".

Now let me think what I can do. I fricking want to join this mutant wagon, but I don't b/c I'm not confident in him. A dino or A50 lynch is not going anywhere, even though they're quite obviously scum manipulating town. I have no idea how you guys are this blind to see it but w/e. I don't want to votepark him again because look where that went last time so I'm going to put in a humble request,

because I'm sure he's not PR

and I'm almost certain he's scum:

@vig: kill dino.

no no no frick you pintu.

Do not vig pintu, it's a bad idea, he's town. Anen is likely town. I'm not getting behind an anen lynch today, and I certainly oppose it.

What if we lynch dino, then if he's town, vig anen, if he's scum, vig mutant or jmo.[/quote]
"because I'm sure he's not PR"
That was very bad. Very very bad.
You basically did the PR hunting FOR the scum in the public thread. I figured you had to be PR just for this (since you knew you wouldn't get NK'd).

[Mathdino]

You were onboard with pintu when it counted, and that was good. You mainly seem to have hangups regarding power roles and inconsistent views of the gamestate. That last part is what gets you lynched so often. A50/Mathdino/pintu was such a hilariously unlikely team that it got to a point where no one could figure out where your ideas were coming from.

I think a major flaw with your ability to play D1 was the thing where you got locked in a tunnel on me pretty obviously because you'd just seen me as scum and figured anything remotely similar must also be scum. I'm obviously not scum every time I townread you. And if I WERE scum in that situation and realised that townreading you was getting you to tunnel me, I would just stop townreading you. Wading that far into the Mathdino scumread that basically no one else was listening to besides Luca meant you became a kind of dead weight, throwing your vote on any wagon that made an inkling of sense as scum with me.

[Mathdino]

i mean it's literally a 3 man scumteam's job to listen to you when you're wrong and not when you're right in every game

[Mathdino]

i mean it's literally a 3 man scumteam's job to listen to you when you're wrong and not when you're right in every game

You weren't scum in Masons and Monks, my Anfield brother.

you called the scumteam as jay/raya when that was the monk team

and then i lynched raya soooooo