Mini 1991: Taking Justice Into Our Own Hands (Town Win)

[northsidegal]

numberq, why are you still voting havo if you feel like there's enough talking points already?

not sure what to make of lexa asking for meta on someone who joined two days ago. i'd want to say that it at least shows they're not scum together, but it's such an out of the blue and weird question that i could see someone asking it about a scum buddy.

by the way, havo has done this l-1 hammer thing in every game i've seen him in – if you want to lynch him for that, it'd be policy. i feel like he's been town so far in his responses.

VOTE: lexa

[northsidegal]

Intent to hammer at L-3, beautiful. So you're convinced he's scum? Is that entirely because of the self-vote/self-hammer thing?

no I am not convinced he is scum

you'll quickhammer someone you're not convinced is scum?

[northsidegal]

by the way, nice to see you again awoo!

[northsidegal]

i mean, you talked a pretty big game about running havo up to l-1 so that we could analyze the wagon and get people's reactions – you've seemed to indicate that there's enough to go on now but you haven't actually taken the initiative and done anything with it yet.

[northsidegal]

numberq, analyzing is exactly what i'm doing – i'm analyzing

you

!

[northsidegal]

@northsidesegal I don't think I understand the position where your vote on me is coming from so I'm going to ignore that for now

What are your thoughts on users: fitz and riggs, specifically the vote to content pattern of the former and the tone of post #26 for the latter

i'd appreciate if you could explain

your

thoughts on those people first, because you haven't really said anything about either so far and i don't want to just give you my thoughts for you to just agree with or say that that's what you were thinking.

[northsidegal]

Hello fellow off-siter!

I'm curious why you would be willing to proceed with a quickhammer, neglecting claims and such. I'm not sure I see Havo's willingness to do the same as justification to turbo him off hand

what makes you call him an off-siter and not an alt?

why ask the same question that a few people have already asked at this point?

[northsidegal]

With respect to Riggs I'm trying to determine if his entrance was genuine or not. His #26 seems towny on the surface from a tonal level but it's also the kind of vanilla entrance I've seen scum do practically every game; I'm trying to decide if there's more to read below the surface or not which is why I wanted your thoughts, to see if I was the only one it concerned.

i don't see anything alignment indicative about riggs' 26 and i'm not sure why this specifically was something that caught your eye as something to be analyzed.

Fitz is on my radar for his curious mode of engagement, entering with the naked RVS vote into the naked vote on me, yet responding to dialogue with me fairly quickly. Usually I'm familiar with people taking one tack or the other, dropping naked votes to pressure people without giving them much to rebut against, probing for reactions, or engaging with them directly to try and suss out their alignment. I don't often see the pressure voting tack dropped so quickly and so I'm wondering if there's more to that pattern. In general nothing he's said has been specifically alignment indicative but his analysis of me was fairly surface level which could be an indicator of scum if he uses future surface level analysis to push for a lynch.

neither of fitz's votes have been naked, even if there wasn't a lot said in either of the posts. i'm also not sure what you mean by him "dropping the pressure voting tack" – clearly his initial vote on you had some reasoning, which he followed up on and described to you.

[northsidegal]

VOTE: lexa

[northsidegal]

That

was a naked vote.

"Vote: Luca Blight because i liked his old avatar better" is a random vote, but not a naked one.

[northsidegal]

not that it really matters that much. sorry for tripleposting to make this pedantic point.

[northsidegal]

Why did you feel the need to ask him that? Does it matter if I’m an offsiter or an alt?

him calling you an off-siter and not an alt implies information that the rest of us don't have – information that would likely only come from discussion in the scum private thread.

[northsidegal]

@north: cool observation but 57 & 62

"no one has played with me before" implies "not an alt"

and 81 "hello fellow offsiter!" > 62 & 57

i recognized that, but i wasn't sure if that's what lexa was going off of, hence my questioning – from his response, that's not what made lexa think he wasn't an alt.

not sure what your last line is supposed to mean.

[northsidegal]

rb, why are you townreading awoo?

[northsidegal]

ok why is the lexa wagon getting so much momentum but my Q vote & minicase went nowhere

did I hit scum or something?

my concerns iwth numberq will be resolved by waiting and observing, not by wagoning, so i'm leaving it alone for now.

[northsidegal]

"speedwagon"?

[northsidegal]

I can see why you are suspicious of him, but I honestly don’t see anything truly lynch worthy. Tbh I’d be more suspicious of north and maybe rb. I feel like he should have attempted to find out if I was an alt or off-siter first before throwing out the conspiracy theory.

what difference would it make and how does that make me scummy?

Rb seemingly agreeing with him is also suspicious. North hasn’t been on this site that long, rb has though. For us to be scum together we’d have to have had a conversation before the game started (which we don’t know is possible) and since I wasn’t allowed to post due to a site glitch, I clearly wouldn’t have been able to coordinate anything in that small window. Plus there is the small fact that I’m not scum but clearly nobody is going to take my word for it.

how old is your main account? this is very important.

also, *her. "gal" is in my name!

[northsidegal]

i think it's more of a "pointing out an inconsistency" than "why me defense".

[northsidegal]

How is the age of an account important

Lots of people are new and good, lots of people are veterans and awful. bad metric never use

if that's directed towards me, it answers a very pressing question. i assume it's directed towards cedrick, though.

[northsidegal]

read the last paragraph of 182 and first imagine that someone you know is a veteran player who's played multiple games before said it, and then imagine that a relatively newer player said it. isn't there a very different outcome depending on which angle you look at it from?

i'm deliberately being obtuse here because i'd rather not say what i'm looking for until cedrick answers.

[northsidegal]

you're not looking hard enough or you're deliberately ignoring what's there.

awoo, seeing what i'm seeing?

[northsidegal]

lol

[northsidegal]

it really isnt relevant because he could be a shit or a good player regardless of how long hes played

mafia skill is relatively static because it relies a lot on individual personality and thinking patterns, moreso than experience which just helps you understand mechanics or meta people.

its honestly irrelevant and i think this will turn out to be useless, and im finding your scumhunting weak and i wanna lynch you toOOOOooooOooo

why assume that whatever i'm talking about has something to do with skill and not something to do with mechanics?

[northsidegal]

not continuing this conversation.

[northsidegal]

The age of my account doesn’t actually answer any pressing questions. It’s irrelevant to this game so we can move on from it.

i'm literally telling you right now that it does. in fact, i'm done being coy about this. Townslip denied.

I can see why you are suspicious of him, but I honestly don’t see anything truly lynch worthy. Tbh I’d be more suspicious of north and maybe rb. I feel like he should have attempted to find out if I was an alt or off-siter first before throwing out the conspiracy theory. Rb seemingly agreeing with him is also suspicious. North hasn’t been on this site that long, rb has though. For us to be scum together

we’d have to have had a conversation before the game started (which we don’t know is possible)

and since I wasn’t allowed to post due to a site glitch, I clearly wouldn’t have been able to coordinate anything in that small window. Plus there is the small fact that I’m not scum but clearly nobody is going to take my word for it.

You quite clearly have enough experience to know that scum get pregame chat in every game, or at the very least all normal games. I don't buy this.

VOTE: Cedrick

[northsidegal]

not sure why people purport to know what is and isn't relevant when they don't even know what i'm talking about, but it gets me slightly, perhaps irrationally angry.

[northsidegal]

by the way, your criticism of me making the point about you possibly being aligned before asking you yourself whether or not you're an alt hold literally no weight, given that you were the one to ask

me

to explain my reasoning on why i asked lexa the question.

you

are the reason why i shared that piece of information, not sure you can criticize me for sharing it.

[northsidegal]

Like here's the timeline of events there:

1) I ask lexa to clarify his "off-siter" comment because i feel like it could come from pregame chat between you to as scumbuddies
2) He clarifies that it was just an assumption
3) You ask me why I asked lexa the initial question
4) I share my reasoning from line 1
5) You say that i'm scummy for giving 4 without asking you whether or not you're an alt first, despite the fact that you are the reason why i shared 4 and despite the fact that you deliberately didn't answer the question in 104

[northsidegal]

Fine, i'll admit the vote came from my pride and indignation at other people implying that i had nothing when they didn't even know what i meant.

VOTE: Lexa

Feel good about going back here.

[northsidegal]

The reason i was citing was entirely game relevant. i was asking about your experience level to determine if the comment came from genuine inexperience or a fake attempt at a townslip.

[northsidegal]

not sure why people purport to know what is and isn't relevant when they don't even know what i'm talking about, but it gets me slightly, perhaps irrationally angry.

So explain it.

This seems an absurd reaction to the chain of events, and since Cedrick is denying any revealing how old his account is, you can just say what you were going for.

I did explain it.

The reason i was citing was entirely game relevant. i was asking about your experience level to determine if the comment came from genuine inexperience or a fake attempt at a townslip.

Why is it a fake townslip and not a real one, do experienced players not make mistakes?

This is awful lol

It's not a mistake, it's a comment that I don't think an experienced player makes genuinely.

[northsidegal]

the only reason i've kept talking about it is because others have kept bringing it up. I really didn't mean to harp on it so much.

[northsidegal]

Also I'm interested in Lexa's reaction to being at L-1. If you weren't under pressure with Mumble's vote, surely you are now.

this feels like a really weird thing to say. why bother just announcing this rather than doing something in relation to lexa or putting on pressure yourself? you ask so many other questions, why not question lexa about the scum on his wagon or the speed of it or whatever the same way you did with havo?

also, if you don't think that the argument that you're asking questions for the sake of asking questions is invalid and if you actually care about getting answers to them, you should probably show some sign that you notice when people just flat out ignore your questions like rb did to this question:

VOTE: Cedrick

lexa's speedwagon makes me iffy actually

Does it make you iffier than the Havo speedwagon?

[northsidegal]

Q is desperately searching for reasons to forge brand new scumreads on low content slots. scum throwing suspicion where there is nullness.

The response to this is "I am just trying to sort low content slots and increase content ... etc...????" which is why it's a safe move even if it gets called out. This is not a valid response because "this post feels weird", use of unlikely incriminating hypothetical in response to 228, another useless question over semantics in 244. Yes it is asking for clarification on something. But what is the answer going to be to something like this? You can't quantify "stock". Stuff like this doesn't help you sort slots.

Overall just a lazy sunday, waiting for lots of different people to post. How was church?

can you clarify why what he's doing is scum searching for reasons and not just sorting low content slots? from what i understand you're saying that the answers to his questions don't actually help him to sort people, but i didn't really get the same feeling looking over his posts and i'd like to hear this in more specifics from you. what i would levy against numberq is asking questions that he doesn't care about the answers to, not whose answers are meaningless.

[northsidegal]

awoo, can you explain your read on lexa? i feel like you've kind of been skirting around that slot the entire game and there are things that stick out as slightly unnatural in the way that it happened. you come off of the mumble/lexa interaction thinking this:

Don't like lexa's new vote either. Reads pretty "I have been cornered into doing this". Also doesn't make sense as a vote in the first place when alex's opener says "im busy right now". Town doesn't get cornered into doing things for fear of contradicting themselves, town does whatever the hell they want and can get away with it 'cause their PM is green.
And when I look at the exchange its makes sense from a "lexa is informed and knows mumble is town already" perspective.

162 kinda implies you think (already know?) mumble is town when you tell him how to approach this situation from a town POV, seems strange given the exchange that just happened, he just misrepped and pushed a false narrative on you FYPOV (ignoring the content of my post lol, thats why its from your POV) why do you speak to him like he's town?

Maybe lexa is scum?

and then just a bit later you switch your vote from q to mumble with this justification.

I don't particularly like either of the people voting him. Also what luca said about mumble +1, but we all need to see more of mumble/lexa before making better reads, 'cause like I said that sort of interaction is just going to serve to make both sides look scummy. +1 to cedrick for looking out for fake aggression, mafia does that for sure.

VOTE: mumble -- Q hasn't posted in a while I gotta stay current. This looks good so far

rb - is Lexa VS mumble TvT, SvT, TvS, SvS? Your posts make it hard to discern what you are reading, please comment on this.

why vote mumble over lexa? why did you move your vote when you did, right after rb voted mumble?

[northsidegal]

here's an interesting replace in.

catching up now.

[northsidegal]

lexa, was any / most of 303 just a copy of notes that you took as the game was going on? or was that entirely newly created? it seems to be to be the former.

[northsidegal]

oh, numberq replaced out before he could answer me.

[northsidegal]

could you explain that fitz placement? is that just in relation to lexa's slot? because i've got fitz as kind of confidently town here – i had him pegged as scum really early on day one in the last game we played together and so far this isn't feeling like that in the slightest.

pedit – sure, why not?

[northsidegal]

NOW I WILL ANSWER NSG!!!!!!!!!

-snip-

I believe the intent of these posts is (throwing suspicion/scouting out mislynch targets) because of the attitude and language he uses with respect to these slots. I will demonstrate below.
Taken from 260

(Lexa and Alex are anagrams of each other, scumteam confirmed)

Unfunny forced humor calling a low content (At the time) slot scum.

didn't really seem forced to me, nor did it seem like a scumread that anyone would reasonably pass off as serious.

Kind of null to me. He's making some relevant observations, but that's pretty much all they are.

I'm not seeing any real analysis

from his posts.

His read on rb in 178 is especially hilarious

- he says rb's posting is very surface level, but

I haven't seen any better from Luca himself

in his 4 posts.

Is this how you talk about a slot that is "kind of null"? Throwing suspicion (1).

i don't really see what you're saying about the way he's talking about a nullread – nothing seems off there to me. also, why is this specifically throwing suspicion rather than raising a genuine concern?

Bold part is from me, what makes the observation worthwhile if it's not worth putting stock in? How much stock is the limit before it starts getting ridiculous?

I've already expressed my concerns, this line is 100% trash just asking questions for its own sake.

i agree with this, though.

not much else to respond to in the rest of the post so i'm omitting it. the colored stars were cool, though.

[northsidegal]

so what's this fun thing that you're talking about?

[northsidegal]

let's see here. i know the game started and got to a good number of pages before i even checked it, so thinking back i'm pretty sure it all started out with havo doing his hammer l-1 thing and then numberq running him up based on that, asking a lot of questions. lexa was there, awoo as well i think. i came in around page 5 i think and began by questioning numberq about

his

questioning, conversation didn't end up going anywhere really but i left it wanting to wait and see if numberq would actually come to any conclusions from his questions or just keep asking them to look busy. probably nothing really important happened for a few pages and then mumble entered the thread ...

oh wait, i think in that time i had my whole thing on cedrick and the "scumslip" or whatever. maybe that happened after the mumble thing. anyways, mumble entered the thread, voted lexa, they got into a whole argument that lasted a few pages.

after that, rb asked me a lot of stupid questions i think or just bothered me a lot, awoo came in stronger with the numberq scumread, alex did something maybe, and ....

kind of blanking at the end there. someone said i was disappointing them in my play, one of the few things that people can say to get me upset in mafia. then i think you replaced in.

[northsidegal]

awoo's not an alt.

[northsidegal]

I really don't like Fitz, land I'm not the biggest fan of Havo and Mumble either. I joined for Lexa and RB being in a game together, a rare commidity. I was in the last rendition. What was different with his scum play there? I don't know him well enough to meta read him.

he can confirm or deny whether i'm representing this accurately but he came out of rvs with a scumread on someone way stronger than it had any business being for the reason that he had (self-voting in rvs), and he was wallposting responses which almost50 said that he's never seen town fitz do before. basically, he fabricated a read on someone and faked conviction in it, and i just don't see the same style or mindset in his play this game (kind of the opposite, really).

[northsidegal]

i think i read a game with him in it before my first game even started, and otherwise i'm only familiar with him from reading back through the bans / "stop getting banned" thread.

[northsidegal]

does that affect the "annoyed" part? more importantly, what's your read on the slot rn? it's probably my weakest TR but i do really want him to be town and his posting aligned with me at the earlier parts.

null, really. i felt like a lot of his questioning was pointless but nothing really stood out to me as overtly scummy.

[northsidegal]

not pointless in a scummy "asking questions to ask questions" way, just pointless in a "totally misses the point of what i'm saying" way.

still have lexa scum, fitz town, havo seemed like town, luca too (although he seems to have changed his style so not sure on that one), mumble as townlean for things that come to mind immediately. otherwise the read either doesn't come to mind, isn't meaningful enough to be worth mentioning or is a ~secret~!!!

[northsidegal]

here, got a ton to catch up on.

[northsidegal]

this is the first time i've ever been busy to this point before. i can still try to catch up or i can ask to be replaced, whichever you'd all prefer.

[northsidegal]

while i'm here should probably UNVOTE:

[northsidegal]

i'm about familiar with both of the claims, the switch onto riggs and loosely familar with a lot of conversation regarding cedrick.

[northsidegal]

okay, going to catch up from about page 34.

the whole thing about 'waiting for answers' is just pointless fluff

she's barely even given opinions or tried to sort anyone, just asks meandering questions and then meanders about the answers

then goes low activity once all pressure on her is gone. she stayed active for as long as it took to not be a viable lynch for the day, then she decided to be inactive and stop scumhunting

s c u m

could you clarify what you're referring to here with "waiting for answers"? if it's about what i said regarding numberq, waiting for how he would approach the game was the perfect way to resolve the concern that i had with his slot, that he wouldn't actually do anything with the questions that he was asking. as someone who people criticize frequently for "asking pointless questions", i knew that trying to force him to come to conclusions immediately wouldn't really be fruitful.

also, real life business is nai. it's actually hilarious to say that i "decided to be inactive".

fucking

what's this GNR wagon for anyway

this i agree with, however. like, i understand the baseline "this slot has had very little content" but that feels like a very weak or easy leap to make from people searching for a wagon after the lexa / mumble claims.

[northsidegal]

lol, sometimes i'm reading through, get distracted or otherwise click away and when i come back i think for a second that i'm reading eddie's iso.

page 35, mumble hesitating on joining the wagon is towny.

nsg might be scum by the way hes shes? not done a lot and thats bad for nsg last time i saw her him she he obvtowned then got killed n1 open 695. kinda did some weird defending self and flocked off. look into it later stay on gnr now, keep waiting for eddie to X(

"gal" is in my name!

are you still scumreading the numberq / eddie slot? you didn't really mention him at all here outside of the activity level.

[northsidegal]

oh, you're right, hadn't fully comprehended that he was l-1.

is gnr your top scumread, luca?

[northsidegal]

like rb's 906, that's something that i noticed as well.

page 38 – i agree with luca but i don't exactly townread him any more for the whole debate.

oh, you're right, hadn't fully comprehended that he was l-1.

is gnr your top scumread, luca?

So how does that affect your view of Mumble's hesitancy? Is it still townie?

Riggs is my best best to flip scum. I think it's likely one of the pr claims are scum, but I'm not entirely sure which one.

i think hesitance in general on the riggs wagon is more towny than not but it's less so than before when i thought he wasn't at l-1.

[northsidegal]

because it doesn't take a green role pm to be correct in a debate. i do, however, townread you for the observation (631) in the first place. if i had to describe my read on you it would be "null-town".

[northsidegal]

oh yeah, i had read that but never actually posted about it. this is mostly just a reflection of my reads before that event but i think mumble's claim makes a lot more sense from a town perspective whereas lexa's counterclaim and the way he went about that seemed more just trying to get mumble killed and the confidence that he had that mumble was lying didn't make a lot of sense, although obviously just waiting should resolve this (granted, i did just lose an open to a fakeclaiming scum where i wanted to lynch him but everyone else said that it would resolve itself – it never did).

[northsidegal]

Thoughts on Cedrick and Fitz would be good as well.

You had Fitz as 'confidently Town' earlier, has that view changed after that back and forth?

don't really have anything strong pinging me one way or the other on cedrick. i'm sure if i were to reread the thread more closely trying to read him specifically i could come up with something but as i'm responding to this now i just don't have a lot to say.

as for fitz, i was about to restate my townread on him but then i clicked on his iso to look for that interaction and found this:

Spoiler:

If that is true, what are your current thoughts as of this post wrt Lexa? How confident you are in your push, how confident you are in their flip.

I am extremely confident Lexa is scum.

I'm not big on D1 histrionics but if you look at games where I strongly believe someone is scum...my play is similar. I.e. aggressive and annoying as fcuk.

Self meta alert!!! Not my scumplay style at all.

Cedrick meanwhile in his unabashed defense of Lexa has resorted personal attacks and dismissiveness. Si he can be Lexa's partner.

so i'm pretty much rescinding what i said before about the lack of extreme confidence being more likely town.

oh yeah, i had read that but never actually posted about it. this is mostly just a reflection of my reads before that event but i think mumble's claim makes a lot more sense from a town perspective whereas lexa's counterclaim and the way he went about that seemed more just trying to get mumble killed and the confidence that he had that mumble was lying didn't make a lot of sense, although obviously just waiting should resolve this (granted, i did just lose an open to a fakeclaiming scum where i wanted to lynch him but everyone else said that it would resolve itself – it never did).

So what makes you think the situation will resolve itself, given you just had a game where this didn't happen?

Your tone reads really indifferent here, like '

meh, I'll just go along with the popular opinion

'.

the contexts are completely different. a watcher claim both demands more immediate attention from scum if town, has results that are harder to fake than the scum's fakeclaimed role in that other game, and i expect this game for there to be some other role to figure out if lexa is lying (not so in the open game).

i have nothing to say to the second line – i'm going along with the majority opinion because i think it's the correct course of action.

[northsidegal]

like one or two pages behind (middle of 39)

maybe going to stop reading for now, will likely go to sleep soon and i'm probably no longer really processing what i'm reading.

[northsidegal]

hello mulch

[northsidegal]

@eddie, caught up now.

[northsidegal]

yeah, was just a little in joke – your name reminded me of another player on site named mulch. welcome

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i looked back over the whole fitz interaction. i think his reasoning here is a lot better than the forced reasoning he was using to justify his confidence in his scumread in the game i played with him as scum, but it's still notable.

Self meta alert!!! Not my scumplay style at all.

could you talk a little more about this? because i feel like the overconfidence was definitely there in c9++ and that's a large part of where my scumread on you was coming from. do you feel like that game isn't representative of your scumgame or what?

[northsidegal]

NSG - can you post a reads list so we can see where you're at.

i was going to say "no" because i didn't feel like my reads were solid enough to confidently order people, but i tried my hand at it and made it kind of broad.

{luca, mumble, eddie}
{alex, fissure, havo, zito, rb}
{fitz, awoo, cedrick, lexa}
{}

[northsidegal]

wait, awoo, did you ever answer my question about still scumreading numberq / eddie?

[northsidegal]

Awoo, explain your read on me? You haven't really talked about that and that placement seems to me to run contrary to what's been said when we've interacted.

[northsidegal]

Thanks, hopefully it's not the only good read i make this game.

[northsidegal]

VOTE: awoo

thinking awoo has a good chance to be scum here, i noticed some weird dancing around the lexa wagon from him early game and i'd like to examine that again.

side note – will this finally be a normal game where town is the one that stomps scum?

[northsidegal]

are you also making the point that my earlier interactions with lexa were scum/scum or distancing? because otherwise that seems like kind of an (and i mean no offense by this) ignorant vote – like you're focusing on something relatively minute and ignoring the rest of the context. that's not something i expect from you luca, so it's a little surprising.

[northsidegal]

are you also making the point that my earlier interactions with lexa were scum/scum or distancing? because otherwise that seems like kind of an (and i mean no offense by this) ignorant vote – like you're focusing on something relatively minute and ignoring the rest of the context. that's not something i expect from you luca, so it's a little surprising.

Why could your early play not be scum v scum distancing? I often open my scum games by going in hard on my partners - it's a good way to look aggressive without the risk of being scumread back by that player.

Actions speak louder than words; you had the chance to vote for Lexa at a time when her lynch was viable and you didn't, despite scumreading her.

i'm not going to make the point of why it couldn't be scum/scum, i'm saying that i would expect you to make the specific point that it

is

if you're going to put forward scum!me. obviously i'm biased on this but just on face value i think it's not s/s and i still find you just making the general statement of how scum often open by going against their partners pretty weak when i expect you to be saying something more specific.

also, i distinctly remember giving a reason for unvoting lexa – it was the claim. i can point you to the other game i was talking about where i pushed for a lynch on someone who was a claimed pr if you want, but that game and this game are different in that my read on lexa was definitely not as strong as my read on jay in that other game.

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alex – could you talk about fitz being so high up on that list for you?

[northsidegal]

Why should I make the point that your argument with Lexa was s/s when that was irrelevant to the evidence I provided? Your argument in itself could be s/s or s/t - it neither incriminates you nor proves your innocence.

By necessity if you're calling me scum then that argument was s/s. If, however, you think that that argument was s/t, then that would by definition make me town. I'm saying that to have a logically coherent and meaningful point as to me being scum, that argument earlier in the game must also be s/s, and thus any argument for me being scum that doesn't take that into account isn't really worth considering.

I also remember your reason and indifferent tone to why you unvoted Lexa. You clearly didn't believe Lexa's claim and still scumread Lexa, so why not mention Lexa in or around 1274 when he was a viable lynch and under fire? If you truly didn't want a PR claim lynch you should have made that point, or if you supported a Lexa lynch you should have voted him. Instead, you completely ignored the issue and tried to divert attention onto Awoo.

honestly? i don't remember. i

can

tell you with confidence just based off the timing and composition that those posts were made when i was busy so i probably just noticed awoo's read on me and wanted to question that.

i think you're being massively disingenuous to say that i tried to "divert attention" onto awoo by asking him that one line question.

[northsidegal]

Obviously if I'm scumreading you that makes the argument with Lexa and you s/s, but why does that have to be part of my evidence against you? Why can't I make a primary point as to why you're scum without bringing up every possible reason? I haven't even started looking over that argument yet, but in of itself an argument with someone doesn't mean you can't be partners with that player. Actions speak louder than words as I said; you had a chance to vote her when her lynch was viable, and you ignored the matter completely.

and herein lies my main problem with what you're putting forth – you're taking a microscope to examine one reason that would make me scum and willfully choosing to ignore the rest. you

can

make your primary point as to why i'm scum just about one single post – it's just not anything worth taking seriously. i've already given reasons for why i posted 1189 – you continuing to harp singularly on this and trying to say that it looks terrible on me is, in order, ridiculous and laughable.

[northsidegal]

you wanted to talk, eddie? here now, reading.

[northsidegal]

not continuing the conversation with luca.

i'm actually townleaning cedrick for 1299, i've been in the same situation before and what he's saying reminds me a lot of what i was saying in my own defense there.

[northsidegal]

actually, perhaps awoo isn't scum. yes, he seemed to be dodging around the lexa wagon in a kind of weird way, but i really have to wonder if this ever happens in a world where lexa and awoo are both scum:

Cedrick, why do you want to hammer havo? You know this implies the final vote of a lynch correct? Is this a misunderstanding or do you actually want to lynch him? provide reasoning.

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I don't know what to make of Q's reaction to my vote. Made me say "wtf". Here's why I'm voting Q:

- Don't like his tone
- Asking a lot of unnecessary questions 34, seems like the only purpose of that is to """be town""" or show concern for the game
- 43 wtf
- What north said too
- Doesnt understand that im going to win the game 31
- 71 [talking about self voting] [Also, why are we arguing the merits of self-voting?] more useless posts why??
- 72 @Q ok what do you make of this? is it AI? because there are votes on lexa, so what do you think of that?
-74 - doing it again "look at me ive been asking those questions and analyzing" - you shouldnt have to bring this up. your ""townyness"" is being shoved in my face so much that I am forced to question your motivations!

oops sorry if i just made a case on the third page x-D

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PEDIT:
Hey north!! see my opener, im taking it easy now. this should have good results ))))))))

Good case

VOTE: numberq

@awoo: what about his tone is pinging you? Has seemed fairly par for the course so far

[northsidegal]

was just starting one, actually.

[northsidegal]

from early on in may day one review, think this is where i'm at:

{eddie, mulch, fitz}
{alex}
{zito}
{havo}
{rb, cedrick}
{awoo, luca}

I'm townreading the entire lexa wagon here, so just gut perhaps one scum in {Luca, Havo} and one scum in {Awoo, Cedrick, rb}?

Spoiler:

Official Vote Count 1-5

Lexa

(5): Alexcellent, Mumble, havingfitz, northsidegal, numberQ

(L-2)

Mumble

(4): Awoo, Cedrick, Guy_Named_Riggs, rb

Alexcellent

(1): Lexa

Cedrick

(1): Papa Zito

Not Voting

(2): Luca Blight, Havo

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2018-02-23 09:00:00)

eddie, i'm saying that i don't think that so early in the game scum would sheep a scumbuddy's case like that and vote with them. it's not me declaring awoo is locktown, just something i think i should take into account.

[northsidegal]

so far in my review, alex is high up there for the placement on the lexa wagon and 163. think there's a pretty natural progression from his iso that doesn't remind me of bussing at all. havo is pretty much the null line there – i don't really have anything specific to hold against him as of now.

[northsidegal]

his iso feels pretty weak to me, he never made a big impression on the game and lexa lock towned him for basically nothing. what a shocker, his vote was moved by the time the day ended, and he didn't end pushing lexa but instead Ced. :/ looks to me like some early distancing that was inconsequential - his presense in the thread was so minimal it is unlikely he influenced anyone.

i mean i'm not really townreading him from the content of his posts (from what i've read so far) so i can't really disagree with you here. i do, however, think that it's a reasonable position to not feel comfortable voting a pr claim day one (especially given that that's what i was doing).

[northsidegal]

flavorwise gunsmith makes sense, but i would also think that ways to mess with a gunsmith would make even more sense.

actually, this is something to consider – what is the purpose of telling us that there are no regular cops or regular cop abilities and then including a role that would effectively be a cop?

UNVOTE:

@Mod, when you say there are no roles with "regular cop abilities", would that include roles like Role Cop or Vanilla Cop?

[northsidegal]

[northsidegal]

think that's lynch. if not,
VOTE: eddie cane

well played to you eddie, would've been totally fooled.

[northsidegal]

surprised that eddie was sent to do the kill, but i guess it means that scum were trying to dodge a tracker more than a watcher?

pedit – definitely agree with zito. would love to play with you again sometime, eddie.

[northsidegal]

side note – will this finally be a normal game where town is the one that stomps scum?

[northsidegal]

wondering how much of eddie's spew we can actually trust as not faked.

[northsidegal]

Good game, all. Fun playing with everyone. Fitz, don't worry - i'm not

too

broken up about it.

[northsidegal]

happy scumday, beef!