Touhou UCanPick 5 - [Game Over]

[Katyusha]

alright listen up

Using your spell card today is a scumclaim and will be met with a policy lynch

I have a vig that only works on wagons that have gone to L-1 and I feel it’s best used as a double lynch today - I realize a lot of people may think I shouldn’t claim this but when I roll town I find I play better while conftown - and this role is pretty strong and obviously town when it’s coordinated by town, most L-1 wagons either end in a lynch or are bad lynches anyway. And yes it’s stage 1 so it works at day

We should try to decide on a first lynch around 4-5 days into the DP, and then use info from that for the next lynch. I will not shoot a townread (or Purrcocet unless I’m 100% sure they are scum) however.

With that let’s get started

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Tradition

pedit: lol the irony

[Katyusha]

this game has shorter deadlines than a mini normal so that might not be a good idea

nice to see you lexa, i've heard good things about you though

[Katyusha]

nice meme but im serious here

[Katyusha]

if you're town i think we win this easy

who do you wanna run up

pedit: yeah, it's real alright! i know you probably wouldn't have claimed even though you're a N1 candidate in this pl but i highly doubt there's a better PR to use D1, it's basically a free cop on me too

[Katyusha]

i do, that's why i was a little hesitant to claim it but i always would claim here so

[Katyusha]

giga whats ur relationship with molly purrocets

none, my chakras are flaring tho theres something with them i FEEL IT

but yo purrcs i got a counterproposal for u:

VOTE: purrcocet

[Katyusha]

in other news the yume nikki remake was an absolute disappointment

[Katyusha]

what makes u think im lynching u bc im scared of u

also is morgan freeman's voice scum

i thought peope liked voices like that

Okay guys I rolled

Cute Magical Anime Girl

and I dare you bakas to counterclaim

N-n-nyani~??? >////<

also elbirn im the vaporwave chick from a few years ago i think u said something about wanting to play a game with me so thats something to think about

VOTE: Brian Skies

that did not answer my question

i'd give u a better answer if i could

[Katyusha]

elbirn you think scum have vigs as well?

[Katyusha]

Uh for next time we’re not supposed to give info like that about ongoings lol

[Katyusha]

It’s cool you’re probably fine but just like be careful

[Katyusha]

The rule is “anything of substance”, i’d err on the side of caution but I kind of agree with you

What do you think about Purrcocet?

[Katyusha]

Was thinking about it but Purrcs is kinda similar lol if my chakras are blitzing the right way

I agree that what they haven’t done is like scummy and that elbirn’s push is townie but they’re capable of doing that as scum and are probably memeing. Either way they need pressure

I’m thinking seeing competing wagons here might be interesting

Pedit: lol

Seriously tho what’s ur take on purrcs

pedit: lol

[Katyusha]

Please tell me that isn’t a real use

[Katyusha]

Yo it fucking slaps

But yeah this is why we use code tags

I’m going to assume for my sanity it was an example

[Katyusha]

If we do wind up having to lynch someone for that though we should still L-1 someone else so I can vig them

Or l-1 the policy idk

I’m giving Gaiden botd anyway

[Katyusha]

Are u FEELING the pressure???

[Katyusha]

lmfao

The fine line between comedy and making an idiot of yourself

I like your style Gaiden

Dunn you still feeling your vote?

[Katyusha]

What's botd?

benefit of the doubt

gigabyteTroubadour is my main, probably might recognize the avatar? if not it's fine, i think you just said you liked my avatar in a dead thread way back when and i've been meaning to play a game with you from then

agreed on you about scum vigs - when i was thinking about claiming i wasnt sure if FG's design style is different for this sort of game, i've only read the alice in wonderland games and all of the games that've been played during my time. i probably should take a look later, i'm honestly not sure what to expect if we're getting basically a D1 double lynch and probably 3 scum.

and meh, my vig is basically a lynch that's hated so in a vacuum i'd agree, here i'm not too sure. dont think it matters

and dont worry about content, this is an active pl but no one here is like a garbage spammer as far as i can tell. i can get chatty sometimes but i can tone it down when it gets excessive

only reads i have rn are you town, dunn and gaiden are probably town as well but i dont feel too strongly about them. i like eddie's reads but he's kind of a player i leave at policy null at this stage of the game and let flips and night kills resolve, or a super town D1. purrcs is the best vote to me atp, theyre readable if i'm right about who they are based on how theyre interacting with me and usually once i get a read on them it's locked and 100% accurate. their vote on me is dumb and im pretty sure they know it, theyre a good town player too so i dont want them pushing something dumb like a me lynch LMFAO

lexa i'm not too sure about, i kind of would like to see some input from them about purrc or anyone really. same for the other people who posted non-content as well i guess but theres a few things that make me particularly interested in lexa

i think this'll be a good game

[Katyusha]

As I understand it, L-1 in the past as long as it’s in a VC

I can double check though

[Katyusha]

Ya I’m right

It has to be recorded in a VC, and doesn’t have to be on the same phase

Anyway I’m gonna play pathfinder, catch u guys tomorrow

[Katyusha]

werent you just townreading him

[Katyusha]

Wakasagihime, no other effects involved, it’s just a kill. The power is Water Sign: Tail Fin Slap, and obviously I’m stage 1

There’s more I’d like to start talking about but I need to get ready irl first

[Katyusha]

I don’t think flavor isn’t AI anyway?

Like we’re all or mostly enemies if I’m understanding how touhou works anyway right

[Katyusha]

despite the fact i think his push is kind of bad im gonna be contrarian and townread gamma - i think the stuff i want to scumread from him is more gamma indicative than scum

i would like to hear some expansion on his paladin read, however

VOTE: Kiana

Talk to us! When you posted I think there was at least one or two reads you could give, so what do you think right now?

also my townread on dunnstral is a little stronger now

[Katyusha]

and of course upon further reflection i think purrcs is probably just town here, if i'm wrong though it'll be self-evident

[Katyusha]

iirc FakeGod doesn't accept bold generics eg

Vig Lexa

, you'll need to make it a proper spell card to count for realsies.

honestly i just assumed he didnt take it seriously from this, he probably would have actually commented on your action if he thought it was real?

like im kind of skeptical the town reaction to legitimately believing you just attempted to dayvig Firebringer, who's definitely in the game, in your first post just goes like "oh, that's not a valid action "

[Katyusha]

oh shit scum did have killing power in that one, hm

i guess i'm not an IC, which is fine, but still. i still think we should use my spellcard asap

[Katyusha]

Take Dunn out and if you’re town I’m there too

[Katyusha]

LOL I meant I had the same reads

Dunn feels like town Dunn, I can kind of see where his head is at which is usually a towntell for him

I also kind of think scum him scumreads purrc here instead of plays neutral

[Katyusha]

We only have one shot PRs that can be used once per phase, that’s not a lot of power

[Katyusha]

Only one spell card can be used per Stage, and they must be declared publicly. During the Night, game will be unlocked for spell card declarations.

To be specific

Also confirmed that these are the only abilities

[Katyusha]

Yeah I remember that one, but it’s different

That setup was built around giving clues of that role’s existence, which Kagami figured out pretty quickly (though she did have the flip to help her)

I figured if FG were to include a scum vig it’s going to be more clearly scum by set up spec.

[Katyusha]

A vig = a nonfactional kill to me?

I can vig a player who was recorded to be at L-1 in any votecount once per game, starting at D1.

I can kill a player who was recorded to be at L-1 in any votecount once per game, starting at D1.

They effectively mean the same thing to me? what's your point.....

unless you're saying a scum vig is unlikely, which I agree with here. there's probably going to be some parallel or something that makes the role clearly scum if it exists, which seems mechanically weird in a game with public actions.

pedit: yeah that's exactly what it means brian, which is why if anyone tries to use a spellcard D1 besides me they're preventing me from using my shot. i would deem that as an extremely scummy action from basically anyone

[Katyusha]

oh that reminds me

gaiden do you have any thoughts in terms of reads? most of your posts have been about setup stuff so i dont really know where your head is at

[Katyusha]

Negative utility town roles are also a thing. And so are roles that look townish on the surface but are actually scum roles. And I'd expect both of these from any moderator worth their salt.

I'm also from the school of thought that roles don't determine alignment, and neither does confimability (which only means you have the role you claimed, not that you're town). And seeing players make bad assumptions that may or may not favor scum is a pet peeve of mine and I will make it a point to shut it down if I see it.

I mean U-picks are designed like any other setup and are balanced like them, and with Fakegod picking the flavor of the majority of the playerlist i'm sure he's had more time to work out that feels coherent.

But that's valid - I agree role =/= alignment, and it's usually not until endgame you can really see how the pieces fall. There usually is a way to tell if something is a town claim or a scum claim, but not on D1 and not off of a single claim or flip.

Beyond this I do think the discussion is pointless now that it's clear - I still think scum also having a vig power is unlikely.

oh that reminds me

gaiden do you have any thoughts in terms of reads? most of your posts have been about setup stuff so i dont really know where your head is at

no real reads at the moment. I'm actually terrible at reading people though text. Much better when i can actually hear their voice.

Mmmh. Lemme know when something changes. I have no plans reading my posts out loud on like a vocaroo or something

pedit: 127 read that way to me

[Katyusha]

didn't even notice the brian wagon but i like its composition so far and i'm not townreading him

VOTE: Brian Skies

[Katyusha]

96 is a really bad post
it's not even that scummy
it's just bad
i don't wanna live in a universe where people actually vote other people for knowing who is and isn't in the game

my actual thoughts

gamma ilu

and of course upon further reflection i think purrcs is probably just town here, if i'm wrong though it'll be self-evident

shut up and stay in the pocket.

what do u find scummy about gamma

[Katyusha]

i honestly think gamma believes in that so i dont know if that's scummy

[Katyusha]

VOTE: Brian Skies

already on the wagon lmfao

or is this more of an emphasis sort of vote

[Katyusha]

i don't really townread him, what are you seeing rn

[Katyusha]

excessive amounts of nothing in a manner that feels obligated to reply to everything as if epic early d1 bands are important reads needed to be line by lined

this is extremely typical for gamma and also extremely typical for me to scumread from him

trust me it's hard - what do you think of his push on brian?

[Katyusha]

so far this is turning out to be a game that's easier to townhunt than scumhunt, i'm not really confident in any of those individuals being red

i feel like that's a byproduct of the thread moving pretty slowly for a 15 player game

i'm sure we'll get action that'll do something - i'm good with this brian wagon for now though

[Katyusha]

I’ve never changed my claim, what are you talking about?

Can you expand on your Eddie read?

[Katyusha]

I have a vig that only works on wagons that have gone to L-1

Meh, I figure the “have gone to” shows it works on past wagons but I get you

I can kind of see where Eddie’s reads are coming from as well and am not sure if viewing the gamestate differently is scummy at this stage - if anything I kind of think it’s better to see where he takes them since that’s how I usually read stronger scum players

Not sure if “spurious” is the word i’d put to them. They seem like reasonable gutreads as well - especially considering how he’s not really strongly scumreading anyone. I feel like people faking reads don’t just “wind up” faking poe reads and if I nailed down a reason for why his reads seem genuine it’s that. Not to insinuate scum are incapable of faking reads, I just don’t think with the persona Eddie would put up this game it fits that well

Plus one on Kiana and Sky, though

[Katyusha]

The reversal on Gaiden also struck me as odd.

And yeah, I can definitely see what posts may have changed Eddie’s mind here if we’re going by typical gutreads

I don’t know if I agree since my D1 play is more about asking a fuckton of questions and seeing people’s reads and I don’t really have anything on him, but it doesn’t strike me as unreasonable

[Katyusha]

Purrc idk if I’ve ever agreed w ur votes this game

[Katyusha]

i'm lost - you think eddie's tone is scummy but think text editor is scum?

or are you just saying you dont like eddie's style and think te's interaction with him is scummy

[Katyusha]

{Elbrin, DLE}
{Dunnstral, Purrcs}
{Eddie, Gamma, hebi}
{Gaiden}
-----------
{Kiana, Lexa, TG}
{Brian, HS}

this is about where i'm at in terms of reads, line is the null line and i've kind of kicked in players who are otherwise null to under that line since i have a lot of slots i'm townreading - would like to see something shake that up a little

but yeah i do agree with you, though i would like text's follow up to my commentary on his eddie read. i'm always worried about being pocketed by eddie since this is actually the first time i'm town against him, normally we're both scum or i'm scum. i've misread him quite often in games i've watched though. for now though i'm not really jiving with text's reasoning

human kind of feels off to me, i'm not sure how to articulate it beyond that. same with brian, he's kind of in a similar realm as gaiden where he's mostly commented on non-game advancing content but he's said a lot more than gaiden. plus gaiden has townie tone and from what he's posted it makes sense he hasnt really done anything. if brian is town i'd like to see him push something i suppose, or how a cw builds up around him

kiana and lexa are just null, plus I feel like kiana is the kind of player who finds something game advancing to do in their entrance so them not really doing anything seems weird to me.

game is slow but i dont think it's a bad thing. at least not yet

[Katyusha]

sure

VOTE: human sequencer

[Katyusha]

96 is a really bad post
it's not even that scummy
it's just bad
i don't wanna live in a universe where people actually vote other people for knowing who is and isn't in the game

this is kind of a weird thing to say about the person you're voting for though

[Katyusha]

why do you scumread DLE

especially after you were previously scumreading gamma?

[Katyusha]

hey 48 hours from now is like my personal deadline what a cowinkydink

[Katyusha]

lexa do you have any scumreads?

[Katyusha]

no correlation

his gamma push was fairly townie to me and i think if i were scumreading gamma i would have doubled down on my vote as a result of it >_>

what are you seeing?

[Katyusha]

I've skimmed (i.e. didn't actually read) the past like 10 pages and am having trouble being relevant because all I do is work and sleep and work and sleep and work and somewhere in there I make time for videogames because I am in fact a large child and nothing more but not time for you good people

same

uh

purrcs is

i suspect

(like strongly) the alt of someone i'm pretty friendly with and have a decent read history of - if i'm right they don't want me outting them though

i have literally no idea what's going on in their head i'll be blunt. theyve been really off in general like outside of the game and so i dont really think this is tied to alignment. they could also be trying to affect their posting style so people don't identify them? if i'm right i still think it's kind of obvious but whatever, i'm letting them do them

either way i kind of feel as though their reads all seeming really off is town indactive - plus when theyre scum whiteknighting people for no reason theyre usually more assertive about it. like theyre just kind of doing their own thing and don't really have what feels like a specific aim or trajectory besides identifying their own scumreads and teasing me.

i kind of would like to engage with them though because theyre one of the few players that legitimately has like a tell that works on them and i havent been able to trigger it. if he's deliberately trying to not tell in that way i can see him doing it as town fwiw, like they're definitely the kind of person who after finding out i have a tell on them would try to fuck with me either way

our dynamic i recognize is uh

weird

but i think that's because theyre trying to pretend they dont know me lol

[Katyusha]

purrcs trying to wagon me was definitely just trying to rile me up and annoy me tho lmfao

[Katyusha]

That doesn’t mean it’s good?

[Katyusha]

Yeah, I townread people for the same reason (most of my eddie townread is based on that reasoning), but I think scum are also aware of this and will try to thus engage with other people to convince them to work with them. purrcs especially tries to do this

so, sure, while i really dont get what they're doing right now, i think scum!purrcs would be trying to assert their opinions more I guess? They don't really feel like they have a plan or are trying to mislead anyone, they're just letting out their genuine thoughts. I just dont

get

their genuine thoughts and would like to reach out to them to see if we can find middle ground if I'm right or to update my read if not.

like town won't always be right, and sometimes we have upside down reads. it happens, and i'd be hardpressed to scumread purrcs for that because we've definitely agreed with each other in games where i'm town and who i presume them to be was scum

pedit: in some normal cabd opened up the game with that reaction test on someone, then alisae repeated a bunch of times and then months later gamma's doing it

pedit: that one

[Katyusha]

Kat is a towny town
why do we have to waste an easy townread on a confirmable slot zzz

People always say this but then when I don’t roll a confirmable role I get scumread

[Katyusha]

How has eddie not made an impression on you he has nearly as many posts as me

[Katyusha]

reading over his iso half of his posts are empty filler like this

pop a purrocet

lexa is U scumm

I spoke to Katy.

beetlejuiced

he has a lynchboner for brian and me which i don't really get

eddie why do you have a lynchboner for brian and me

this is a really awful cherry pick lol

he's at least given reads and pushed, he's actively sorting with a poe as well

like......... there's AI content.............

pedit: lmfao i forgot about that asnkdfjlsdjfjlasdf;a;;;;

[Katyusha]

it's fine gamma nobody's perfect <3

what's your take on human right now?

[Katyusha]

Right, but it’s not like all of his content is filler. In terms of quantity he’s given probably the second or third most in terms of game advancing content, whether you think it’s good or townie or not. There’s kind of a disconnect here I think and I don’t really like it

Also this is a 15 player game, calling it a large is generous.

[Katyusha]

It's still 4 posts out of 50 something? The point is even if Eddie has some filler posts he's still done stuff to establish himself and characterizing him as a slot that hasnt really done anything seems misrepresentative

Lexa I can understand. DLE I can even understand even if I think his few posts were super obvtown. But Eddie just feels like he shouldn't be in that category?

pedit: yeah

[Katyusha]

can you really not see how a slot having a lot of one line, unimpressionable posts can cause them to mentally slurry together with other players

maybe it's from doing an iso? i don't know, having read this game entirely in context and not yet doing an ISO i feel like Eddie has been kind of echoing what I've been thinking in my head a lot, maybe change a thing or two.

and yeah, don't force reads if you don't have to. i have full faith if you're town you can towntell and scumhunt fine but right now I don't really see it. If anything you kind of remind me of your play in that shitty micro from way back when? it was literally your last game iirc, you felt kind of potatoey i guess and just kind of floating around. if you're just in a rut though let's try to get out of it

it's fine gamma nobody's perfect <3

what's your take on human right now?

I think she's town

Talk to me about why? I feel like you're usually right when I get into tunnels like this lol (or when im scum pushing them like in House in the Woods)

like do you think the point about me feeling like they kind of just skimmed eddie's iso and make a wrong characterization makes sense?

pedit: would like to see where this one goes

[Katyusha]

mostly because i also am townreading gaiden lmao

[Katyusha]

snark translator: taking someone out of a POE isn't a reversal, it's just townreading them in the first place

[Katyusha]

i meant the one you were scum with mortfeld and you both replaced out

drealfucker was a serial killer, was disgruntled town who hydra'd with yume who never posted.

meh, i'll try to be diplomatic and ask eddie to respond to both you and elbirn - i know he probably doesnt want to out of annoyance but it's probably for the best. if you're town i want to work with you and i dont think i'll ever scumread elbirn here

[Katyusha]

also the possibility i'm getting pocketed exists etc

i dont want to paranoia lynch eddie d1 though i'd feel like a shitty friend

[Katyusha]

I also just learned that going to night phase advances the stage.

feels like an oddly specific thing to try to derptowntell with as scum, i think it's more likely genuine

scum probably have had some time to discuss the setup and mechanics considering how much it's centered around the game, if he's scum i think he just doesn't mention this while giving setup info since it's not on his mind

nothing conclusive i'd like hard-whiteknight him off of but it's a preliminary townread.

oh that reminds me

gaiden do you have any thoughts in terms of reads? most of your posts have been about setup stuff so i dont really know where your head is at

no real reads at the moment. I'm actually terrible at reading people though text. Much better when i can actually hear their voice.

I also felt this was a townie response, scum usually posture when asked this or at least fake a read. if he's going the cheeky route he might say he townreads me but i don't really know gaiden so that's not something i'm doubling down on.

like? i'm not going to act like he's my top townread. but i dont feel putting him literally directly above the null line is super crazy and if more people towntell then yeah i'd support a wagon on him. for now i think the other emptier slots are more interesting, as are people who posted more but havent said much

plus im good with his tone and the whole spellcard attempt shenanigans

pedit: sigh........ i like this playerlist i dont want people to get pissed at each other

[Katyusha]

it wasnt epic it literally got you mislynched

[Katyusha]

it wasnt epic it literally got you mislynched

No it didn't I won the 1v1 with Vedith

Subject: Micro 717: Upick: With blood and sword GAME OVER

Wtih very strong opposition to my extention by lynch...

- drealmerz7:

(L-4)

- Pokemon Uranium

: Human Sequencer, Vedith, Raya36, Drealmerz7

(L-0)

- Famethyst (hydra of gigabyteTroubadour and Aelita)

:

(L-4)
- Human Sequencer:

Pokemon Uranium

(L-3)

- Vedith:

(L-4)
- Raya36:

(L-4)

We have 6 alive and thus 4 to lynch.

Pokemon Uranium has died!

They were:

Town

Spoiler:

Hello Pokemon Uranium (hydra of BTD6_maker and Gamma Emerald),

You are Travis Touchdown

American Assassin and Otaku. Training and driven by your Otaku life. Setting off as the number one assassin out of the UAA yet hated by some. Its time for you to show them who is really number one in this epic world

You Are: Town

Win Condition: You win when there are no threats remaining to the town

Abilities:
Touched: You are easily tempted, And it usually leads to your death. Any actions affecting you that are non-killing will eliminate you from the game.

Dark Power: If you are night killed then you will not die and you will gain more abilities and lose your weakness (Touched)

1-shot Staying at home: Damn this legend stuff. I am staying home to play some games. (Can't be targeted by any non-killing ability for one phase, Must be at a residential area)

Travis: You're the one leaving in a body bag.


Note: Explanation of zones will be coming soon.

[Katyusha]

They have to unvote after the VC is posted however

VOTE: Brian

I think the only reads based content he’s given is gamma shade and gamma’s town, plus it wasn’t anything super insightful

[Katyusha]

The VC has to show the vig target at L-1 for me to shoot, remember I asked him the other day

[Katyusha]

So like we can’t run up someone to l-1 and just have them get vigged

But we

can

run someone up to l-1, get the VC, and then wait until later to vig them

Basically I can point to a VC, say “oh this person’s l-1 in this VC, I vig them”, and have them get vigged

Just so it’s crystal

[Katyusha]

Who do you think the lynch is if Brian flips town?

[Katyusha]

Talk to me?

Pedit: not a bad vote, what brought you over?

[Katyusha]

really can feel the productivity guys keep it up

[Katyusha]

damn wtf

[Katyusha]

This is a good reads list, though I wonder why TG is on the same line as me and Lexa who are null. I believe you explained that you are scumreading TE here? He should be in the bottom pile with HS and BS.

Meh, I can kind of see the universe where he's wrong town. He could easily be scum and your team of HS/BS/TG could absolutely be correct, but TG is still the last one i'd lynch and I wouldn't jump for it just yet.

I like your reads so far and I'm kind of hoping you genuinely came to them and you're not scum just following me

Anyway, I'd like to see more from Brian and the less active people now that we have a wagon going

pedit: what else are you supposed to sort sky from lol, that's his only game advancing post and it's still kind of long so there's stuff to pick at

[Katyusha]

I mean I'm sure you're a capable scum player who can come up with that reasoning - I've had my fair share of bad games/reads lately and I was originally planning on playing newbie games so I can work on whatever issues my game had honestly. I don't want to talk about ongoing games but one of my weaknesses in my town game in general is getting pocketed too easily by players i like when they agree with me when they're scum and I'm just trying to watch for that

I feel the same way though!

pedit: You're voting for Brian right, TG? Where should things be going then?

ppedit: I do like that assessment though

[Katyusha]

lol yeah rc’s had a terrible last few months playwise. hope he’s doing alright /:

Also bc it completely escaped my mind - vocaroo is a site you can record and upload audio clips for free. People usually use it to post their voice

[Katyusha]

As it should be

[Katyusha]

Was going to respond but I’ll take that as a scumclaim

[Katyusha]

Why the fuck would you just self hammer then??

Even if I’m not shot your townflip would have given people the chance to react to the wagon on you and the fact it was a ml, that’s literally why a day vig is the best use of a D1 power

[Katyusha]

And I’m town too you dumbass, if you’re town it’s not like I wouldn’t have engaged with you??

[Katyusha]

Like mislynches happen, d1 is literally about shooting the shit and engaging with people

There was zero reason to be “petty” here

And I’m town too you dumbass, if you’re town it’s not like I wouldn’t have engaged with you??

You neve rengaged with me.

And you were going to dayvig me anyway.

???? You never posted until now, you were going to wait 5 minutes before deciding you were going to talk to me?

[Katyusha]

If you’re actually town I’m blacklisting you

[Katyusha]

People scumread your posts and I wanted to get a wagon so we can react to the flip and discuss reads

That’s literally the most protown use of a dayvig

???? You never posted until now, you were going to wait 5 minutes before deciding you were going to talk to me?

Not to mention players like Lexa who probably didn't even read what I posted or respond to me and just put me at L-1.

Right, which would be a perfectly valid thing to talk about while you’re getting wagonned instead of selfing for no reason??

[Katyusha]

I mean that’s what I was thinking as well because I still think Eddie and Kiana are town

Neither of them are players who’d misread me btw

[Katyusha]

Alright new plan

I cast the l-1 vote when FG is actually online

[Katyusha]

I kind of feel like Lexa (or dle is he’s town) kills Eddie before me since I would think being a vig is like obviously a threatening pr and they’re the players that know more intimately that Eddie is a more threatening player than me but maybe that’s apparent to everyone

Either way I want to vig HS first, and I think it’s one on one off

[Katyusha]

*or dle but he’s town

[Katyusha]

{kiana dunn Katy dle elbirn gamma} preliminary townbloc

[Katyusha]

Lexa and HS talk to me about your reads

[Katyusha]

Agreed entirely but either way I think scum don’t want a double day after a scum lynch

[Katyusha]

No, stage abilities

start

working on the listed day

I still have a vig shot

Pedit: yes

[Katyusha]

Also i’m shocked no one used their stage 2 power? Don’t think it’s wise to discuss this rn but yeah

i’d like to hear from you wrt your follow up

pedit: eagerly waiting

[Katyusha]

I don’t mind and I think sky is a wall poster so you’re fine

[Katyusha]

I think a cop is better than a vig that’s about it

Or something of that caliber

I’d be happy to vig N2 if it means we get a daycop

[Katyusha]

A double flip is pretty neat though :shrug:

It’s more info, and with as many strong townreads we have it’s probably outweighed

Evens do suck though

[Katyusha]

VoteCount 1.4

SXTLHGaiden [0] -
Sky_Paladin [0] -
Kiana Kaslana [0] -
Dunnstral [0] -
Eddie Cane [1] - Elbirn
Katyusha [0] -
Text Generator [0] -

Brian Skies [8] - Sky_Paladin, Gamma Emerald, Eddie Cane, Text Generator, Katyusha, Kiana Kaslana, Lexa, Brian Skies [LYNCH]

Lexa [1] - hebichan
DaLetterEl [0] -
Elbirn [0] -
hebichan [0] -
Purrcocet [0] -
Human Sequencer [2] - Dunnstral, Purrcocet
Gamma Emerald [1] - Human Sequencer

Not Voting [2]

- SXTLHGaiden, DaLetterEl

With 15 alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-03-30 16:00:00)

Anyway the reason I think Human is the vig today is that I don’t really scumread anyone else on the wagon, so the bulk of our conversation should be sorting on-wagon people who aren’t locktown (sky, tg, lexa). Purrcs Gaiden and hebi should like still step up and try though but I think they’re more likely town than human so

Plus the ancient wisdom here is on wagon if scum, off wagon if town

[Katyusha]

Anyone else off the wagon*

[Katyusha]

Yes I know, that’s why I kind of want to make sure I’m the one l-1ing this time so I can make precautions

Pedit: will process when I’m not in a lab

[Katyusha]

Like where you’re going so far lexa

[Katyusha]

i'm fine with the above

[Katyusha]

purr is reading like how transcend plays when he's trolling as scum

theyre not similar players i'll say that much lol

purrcs what do u think of human though

and Text Gen I guess I can agree about Kiana's catchup itself being a possible buddy sort of thing, but I kind of trust in Eddie's read there which is why I townlocked her. Plus I liked some of the more original ideas she contributed. If I'm going to change it it'll be based on what she does today

pedit: 2 votes is a generous counterwagon imo, but that's a plausible theory too. Would scum want town to get a double day if it ended in a mislynch? I still kind of think no but idk

[Katyusha]

ok evidently you scumread them but can you expand on your read purrcs

and also talk to me about why you tr'd brian?

[Katyusha]

definitely thinking we vig human and put the votes on text, text is the next in line but i'm not sold on their alignment and i think they can be sorted with a wagon

if we wind up going with a vig, yeah i'm here too and human selfing isn't the worst consequence possible. i can kind of see a TG!town world though and do support copping him or human if someone claims the ability to today (stage 1-3)

[Katyusha]

lmao, aight lol on brian

can you show some of the posts you feel are off?

[Katyusha]

oh you changed your sig, i just noticed

[Katyusha]

you dont have to be sorry <3

yeah tho that definitely seemed a bit too hammy, i'd like to see how they justify themselves first ofc

[Katyusha]

i'm really not liking purr's tone though and i'd have no problem with them dying, you disagree?

theyre super out of it irl (again if they are who i think they are) and i think tone is going to be shaky to read off of regardless

i agree theyre not locktown but i dont think they bus human here as scum and if human is town they're very easy to lock from pressure, at least if theyre not aware of what exactly the tell i use on them is and theyre not going to deliberately supress it

On Dunn, he's kind of a chronic lurker so you're not going to really get anything from him if you don't know him. I think the self awareness he showed in 162 is not something he typically exhibits as scum, i think 60 is also a relatively townie dunn post - going against the grain when purrcs is the hot push and taking a contrarian stance is usually town indicative for him, he's usually not very original as scum unless he's bringing his A-Game. I've also liked his votes.

yeah i get the read is kind of meta-y soul-y and not something someone from offsite would vibe with but it's what im feeling right now. i havent really pushed it that hard on kiana as a result, eddie i kind of expected to agree with me and he did eventually come around so

pedit: i really dont know if agree, i dont think purrcs is a human partner here

[Katyusha]

and yeah if it wasn't abundantly obvious im putting lexa in my townlock pile

[Katyusha]

who would you want to lynch then?

[Katyusha]

walls were a lot more nuanced and town then the ones i've seen from scum you

from the way eddie has talked about you that seems to be the make-or-break thing for reading you

[Katyusha]

*than the ones

FUCK i never mess that one up i feel twice as dumb now and i already fucked up the vig d1

pedit: it's ok i struggle with that too

[Katyusha]

i do kind of feel like i townread hebi a little quickly - i kind of wish i had asked eddie what gave him pause because i remember him being hesitant to move her up in his poe. what are you seeing here?

gaiden would definitely be in my "to sort like next pool" after a human or you townflip. i still kind of feel purrcs is town but i guess it'd be suboptimal to not at least pressure or look that way

[Katyusha]

yeah i got you and that's actually a good point

kind of need to think this over, i definitely want thoughts from human hebi and kiana rn

[Katyusha]

Yes, all stage 1-3 powers can be used rn

[Katyusha]

Dusjsjdhdjwhshhg(;;;

Dunnie..........

[Katyusha]

This town has been on point with pr usage let’s keep it up guys

[Katyusha]

i feel like it loses its significance when you dont specify it's almond purrcs

[Katyusha]

purrc's reads look fine to me

lexa weird question though, i noticed you're null on DLE but Eddie died townbloccing him. Whose read should I be sheeping more here? I'm somewhere in the middle at this point, I think TG's posts have been super town recently so my original perception of the game is kind of on edge.

human i'll write a bite-sized case for you when i'm not busy, wouldn't be fair if you didnt understand why you're scumread here

[Katyusha]

Hebi, where's your head at read wise?

[Katyusha]

I think Human sequencer could be scum, but less likely, I think the HS wagon is scum driven and they're trying to make up lost ground for the brian lynch yesterday.

What besides composition would make you think this is the case?

[Katyusha]

I just feel like the posts around

huh

I think Human sequencer could be scum, but less likely, I think the HS wagon is scum driven and they're trying to make up lost ground for the brian lynch yesterday.

What besides composition would make you think this is the case?

An easy vote because he was off wagon and fairly active.

right but how are you telling the difference between an easy vote on scum and and easy vote on town? i feel like the only way to determine that would be to look at factors besides Human's actual posting, yeah?

[Katyusha]

VOTE: Human Seauencerrrr

human it's not looking good for u fam lol

i kind of have trouble agreeing with the characterization of purrc's vote as opportunistic since they pushed human yesterday too, and it's not like scum will try to be off a scum wagon on another scum wagon for towncred so?

i at least agree there's likely on-wagon scum and kind of want to work that out

also i want to hear more from gaiden that isnt setup related

pedit: so the wagon is scum motivated just because purrcs is pushing it?

[Katyusha]

I’m fine with running everyone up and would have suggested it if I thought a town can do it on an 8 day deadline

If we can get like uhhh 5 people (plus you and me) who are active to do it though I’m game

[Katyusha]

Would you say your Pr is better than an alignment cop

Since that’s what Dunn claimed iirc

Also Gaiden do you have any thoughts about like reads yet...

[Katyusha]

@FakeGod: If we ask you to post a VC, willl you?

VCs are intentionally distanced in this game.

LAAAAAAME

^ same

except, not me right, because you're not gonna shoot me that would hurt my feelings

read my first post again

Would you say your Pr is better than an alignment cop

Since that’s what Dunn claimed iirc

Also Gaiden do you have any thoughts about like reads yet...

gaiden.reads == garbage
i kind of want dunn to claim his character now that he already claimed his ability. But i might be feeling super paranoid about it.

I mean did flavor claiming actually help verify my character/role? Legit don't know btw i would think a stage 1 character wouldnt get something as weak as a vig

[Katyusha]

ok now im supposed to respond to human





but im finna get a glass of water first

[Katyusha]

Spell cards..... and at night fwiw

Hebi is your stage from 1-4? I don’t know if I want to investigate Elbirn that much tbh though

Glass of water quest not going well btw

[Katyusha]

Where is princess kiana

[Katyusha]

kat why didn't you use your vig on night 1
when brian self hammered the first thing i thought he was going for was ending the day quick so scum can steal the stage 2 card use

i mean i'm glad it didn't happen obviously because i was probably the target but still

dunn, purrcocet, why are you scumreading me
there's no explanation there at all
i'm gonna be mad if i die to lazy sheeping zzz

kat plz work with me here you're the one foot i have in the door of this game
what do i need to clarify

to expand on what i said at the start of the day, there's a lot of shit i said and did that people read the wrong way
brian obviously picked up on that and that's why he selfhammered i think

read over my iso
the only read i ever posted on brian was a null and i never actually fucking tried to stop the brian wagon
i just wanted to understand why it was happening

it felt like it was at the start of d1 still and suddenly there's a serious non-rvs lynch wagon on brian which i just didn't get at all
so i asked

i'm still not really too confident in like any reads right now
text generator light scum
kat is town but if the vig doesn't drop i'll start worrying more
elbirn kinda town
i dunno how much of it is just me liking how he posts though

i feel bad posting reads on fucking anybody even because when you look at the playerlist its like
SXTLHGaiden??
Sky_Paladin??
Kiana Kaslana??
Dunnstral??
hebichan??
Purrcocet??

who even are these people? like even people i actually know i have no handle whatsoever where they are in the game
some of them aren't fuggin posting and some others just blur together
kiana was here like once for a big catchup and then nothing else
when there's so many unknowns i feel like i have such a poor understanding of what's actually going on i can't be sure of anything i post

so i was gonna lay low and just wait till spots thin out before going in too hard but the one thing i didn't understand and thought was worth mentioning and kept getting fucking ignored on ended up being a scumwagon
zzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZ

my issue here human is that i feel like there's appreciable content, you've shown capability of being able to parse it, but you dont really seem to follow through with it

like i dont get the mindset where you were getting at eddie for having what you felt was an empty iso but dont prod him about having reads on slots like gaiden, dunnstral, and purrcs. and even then coming to the conclusion that eddie's content was empty felt extremely questionable. after all, you were the one who told me "scum don't need to read the thread, they already know everyone's alignment". i dont know if im cocky or confident enough in you being scum to relate that to you but it's something i'm thinking about

i had high impressions of your town game from watching you play games in the past and you even did well in FG's large dance with Parama - so even if I know large games are actually more difficult for you it's not an excuse to underproduce

i dont think you would just nullread brian here and not really go anywhere with it when there

was

a serious, non-RVS wagon going on him. like that's when you can start taking stances on shit and towntell for non gut/tone reasons. Like, what did you actually think of Brian's content when he was posting it? If you felt that it was null, why not interact with the wagonners more or even Brian himself? Like i understand you could just be town playing off, it's always a possibility when you're playing this god forsaken game, but I would be pretty surprised to find out you were playing around a confusing situation as town in the most passive way possible. Like, I felt like if you scumread Eddie for example (which could be a valid push if you believe that the Brian wagon was scum motivated or unfairly pushed), there were a lot more points to ask about than just his post:content ratio. You barely interacted with the Brian wagon, which I feel like would be the case for someone who didn't want to tie themselves to a partner who had indefensible or null content in their opinion.

I think overall for me you haven't really been inquisitive about the right things or really shown me you're playing this from an uninformed perspective. Like, heck, I don't really like Hebi's content today but I can at least argue to myself that some of the things she's done also could be coming from a town perspective or show that she's critically thinking. I really cannot genuinely look at your ISO and say the same thing.

So, Human, if you're town, I'd like for you to try to push something - sort those empty null slots you were talking about, ask them questions, work with them, idgaf just show me that you care about this game in a way besides trying to lay low and do nothing. Like, pick the scummiest person sheeping the read on you and tell me why or something. What you do isn't a big deal, I just want something.

pedit: thanks dunnie but i think we're cancelling that avenue lol, FG is posting infrequent VCs deliberately

i think i want to vig Human, decide on a lynch based on flip, and tentatively have Hebi use her power and get daycopped by you.

[Katyusha]

I started 3 consecutive sentences with "like" please end me

[Katyusha]

Human

so i was gonna lay low and just wait till spots thin out before going in too hard

I'm upgrading my lolvote on Human Sequencer from 'sheeping Eddie' to 'serious vote'.

sky is there anything in addition to this on human that you saw? like why wouldnt town!human want to take it slow in your opinion, or what seemed off about this specific line?

[Katyusha]

purrcs i really hate that im reading you without The Tell this game

[Katyusha]

HS wrote a list of lurking players (myself included) but quantified it as "Why don't these people have votes" instead of "We should put pressure on these players who aren't doing anything, look here is my vote on playerx to show I am serious about advancing the game state".

yeah! this is exactly what i'm talking about

with purrcs though theres like. a vague sense of gamesolving and doing stuff inbetween the lines and i get that everyone wants to eviscerate them for it but. I kind of got a The Tell ping on them on a reiso (on the town side). i kind of have been easing on TG and think he's town though - what's changing your mind here?

[Katyusha]

yeah who am i kidding this is town purrcs

[Katyusha]

{Lexa, Gamma, Dunn, Purrcs}
{Elbirn, TG, Kiana}
-------
{Sky_Paladin, DLE}
{Gaiden} - Hard Null
{Hebi}
-----
{Human}

[Katyusha]

elbirn is correct about the vig thing. If anyone can rolecop, I have a 100% never scum role.

i kind of thought this was probably a true claim, and from here on in their iso i've liked their posts more

maybe i could expand on it later?

[Katyusha]

you're opposed to conf towning yourself why?

im not but i really dont see what scum equity i have here and feel like it's a waste

do you think eddie or dunn would misread me

or kiana

kiana picked up on me being scum super quickly in alisae's game iirc im sure she'd read me correctly here as well

same with dunn in general









and im asking you this specifically nyaa

To clarify further -
When somebody says "player x is doing good" it encourages them to do more of that thing. So when Kiana posted I had warm fuzzies and thought "guess I'll post more later zoop". It needs no further clarification and invites players to question Kiana's motives rather than mine. So that is a risk that Kiana took - if I later flip scum, people remember this and look back at her with sharp eyes.
OTOH when somebody says "player x did a bad" it invites people to look at the player who is 'doing bad' and evaluate but without guidance, eg "Player x did a bad because (reason)!".

So not only did he crap on Kiana (my town read) he also crapped on my cornflakes, and to what end?

i mean, i'm not really sure if scumreading someone by itself is scum motivated (even if, for instance, TG is/was completely wrong readwise), i didn't really get the impression he was trying to shut down conversation. i suppose if you see it that way though not expanding on that read can be seen as such, if that makes sense

i guess the kiana townread angle here at least makes sense though!

pedit: lmfao.....

[Katyusha]

you literally have the opposite of an ego

[Katyusha]

aight.....................................................

[Katyusha]

oh....................................................................................................................................................................................................................

it's. Deliberate.

[Katyusha]

yes screen toast

either you posted in the wrong thread or you're really fucking high dude

[Katyusha]

fucking circus players god lexa

i can kind of see why town!TG might dislike evens, especially in this town

[Katyusha]

elbirn is correct about the vig thing. If anyone can rolecop, I have a 100% never scum role.

but what does he claim here is what i'm wondering

[Katyusha]

fuck i forgot about that ok im dumb

TG if you're an IC claim the fuck right now what stage you activate in, you getting nk'd is still +EV here

[Katyusha]

If you are townreading TG, who do you think is the final teammate? Unless there are four scum in this game, then I give it to you, but TG would still be my pick for the next scum.

if not tg probably hebi but im kind of back into tg territory after i realized prs dont flip and there probably isnt a rolecop so tg's claim is dumb

if he's an ic he outs that now and confirms whenever he can

[Katyusha]

like i think literally the only people besides tg who could even be scum at this point are hebi (has some genuine seeming thought processes), gaiden (literally an empty slot but his memey ness and uselessness in this gamestate reads town), dle (more of a "i want more from you rn also why is lexa uncertain about you" read than anything real) and like a long shot read of elbirn or sky paladin but both are very unlikely

pedit: yeah

[Katyusha]

gameplan

Katy L-1s human

IF human self hammers,

Text Generator

uses his spellcard on a reasonable target of his choice.

Dunnstral

opens D3 using his spell card. If

Dunnstral

is nightkilled,

Gamma Emerald

claims and if TG is a good and informative target for that, he uses it on him. If TG is revealed to be town or proven as such, lynch

Hebichan

and arrange to vig

Gaiden

. Otherwise lynch TG and arrange to vig probably hebi or gaiden.

IF human is vigged and flips town, hard reset. Literally no clue where to start here atp. Hebichan and Gaiden I guess but I don't think it's that easy atp

IF human is vigged and flips scum,

Text Generator

claims. If his claim is not an IC, he gets lynched. If the game does not end,

Hebichan

uses her spellcard so that

Dunnstral

or

Gamma Emerald

can use their spellcards on them.

If any of these scenarios are impossible (TG and Hebi needing spellcards used to go, incompatible stage), please say something.

pedit: yeah fair lol

[Katyusha]

to clarify i will unvote when FG posts a vc and then vig

[Katyusha]

i dont think dunn's claim comes from scum ever

not claiming cop but like how he did it

[Katyusha]

after HS gets vigged i cant shoot lol

i'd have to do it before but i'd still holster N2 so that someone can get copped by dunn because i trust him

[Katyusha]

You implied we should L-1 people after we vig human?

[Katyusha]

Let's L-1 a couple more people (the nulls in my pile, probably) because better safe than sorry. And Kiana needs it.

After HS gets vigged though. And only if HS flips scum. If HS flips town, indeed we'll have to hard reset anyway.

pedit: im guessing you believe there are other l-1 activated prs, ok. i guess that's a valid assumption given fg wouldn't be giving out less votecounts for just a vig i assume

[Katyusha]

oh i feel dumb that was super obvious ok

it's like 1 am cut me some slack

[Katyusha]

I want TG to claim and for Human to be L-2 by the time i'm back

if they don't fulfill what i've asked of them (or if theyre still scummy at that point ) and i get the chance to l-1 them while theyre asleep (take that australia!) then i will do so

[Katyusha]

fg lives in the west coast iirc and that's pretty close to my timezone and not human's so we should be ok at least for them






i stalk peoples activity and feel 0 shame over it

[Katyusha]

hmm

i just woke up but this looks like it'll be a doozy to all process

[Katyusha]

thats wrong i would too

[Katyusha]

UNVOTE:

still not really townreading Human but the option exists now

[Katyusha]

wait i was never voting human lol

i'll get to this in a bit

[Katyusha]

alright human you have one last post to make before i shoot you make it good

[Katyusha]

Whatever works, no need to rush

[Katyusha]

then if i investigate two town or if i guess which one is town wrong, i crush one of their spell cards

This kind of feels like a scum fakeclaim /:

[Katyusha]

Like 2 fucking alignment cops is crazy especially N3 and on when the lynchpool is so small

[Katyusha]

They activate N3 Dunbun

[Katyusha]

So just destroy a scumread’s card tonight and then Dunn can cop you or the scumread

Seems straightforward

Pedit: agree but that might be a stage 6 or extra thing?

[Katyusha]

Stage 6 = N3

[Katyusha]

Stage 1 - D1
Stage 2 - N1
Stage 3 - D2
Stage 4 - N2
Stage 5 - D3
Stage 6 - N3
Extra - D4

[Katyusha]

Why the fuck do u think I’m scum lol purrcs

[Katyusha]

Me: *destroys scummy mcscums spell card
Scummy mcscum: "yew idiot I was a bulletproof IC day cop yew ruined the game!!1! >:(
Me: *cries*

the implication of course was that they'd claim first

also wait human did you literally contradict yourself

everyone has only one spellcard, you can only use it on people who have used their spellcards but then you can destroy their spellcards?

why are u yelling at me ;-;

im confused ok..........

[Katyusha]

i really feel like this sounds more like a rolecopping scum ability that lets you destroy cards if they seem to strong

like i dont see why that negative utility has to be there

[Katyusha]

part of me wants another S6/Extra player to verify if spells should be that strong for them but i also feel like thats what scum!human is trying to do :/

pedit: i dont know im probably terrible with setup spec

[Katyusha]

well yeah i agree that later stage roles are stronger (though a vig is... strong) but the question is about the relativity of it

[Katyusha]

i dont think thats how this works

[Katyusha]

god

[Katyusha]

okay

im gonna fucking do it






human im town forgive me

[Katyusha]

*if you're town

GOD sdkljfa;dskfjasdlfja;jk

[Katyusha]

it's actually really close to a pagetop i might grab it for dramatic effect

[Katyusha]

but basically this is always the right call to do - even if your PR is super strong we need to reevaluate if you're town because i feel as though this game is in a standstill

[Katyusha]

lexa is always town
purrcs is always town
dunn is always town
gamma is always town

i think these reads are always 100% static for me. elbirn is Townie^tm to some extent i guess so i dont really know if i'm going to relook him

kiana i think i need to see her reevaluate before I can locktown her - i keep getting paranoid for some stupid reason and i think this flip is the only way i'll know for sure if it's worthwhile

[Katyusha]

i still kind of would like to start with hebi if we go in the reevaluation route after a human townflip



also im running out of things to say that are useful to grab this pagetop

[Katyusha]

in case I'm killed, lynch HS tomorrow. I'm certain he's one partner. good luck with the third.

eddie cane

[Katyusha]

Water Sign "Tail Fin Slap" : Human Sequencer

[Katyusha]

Human Sequencer, who was

Utsuho Reiuji

,

Scorching, Troublesome Divine Flame

,

Stage Six

, and aligned with

Mafia

, has been

killed

in

Day 2

.

[Katyusha]

okay so we should lynch Text Generator today

I think I still want Hebi to be the investigative target but if anyone has a strong objection lmk because that requires her to claim. Elbirn can also crush Hebi's card at night and Dunn can pick between the two if that pleases you guys.

Whatever works. I'd like to hammer TG fwiw

[Katyusha]

Wait we have three days

[Katyusha]

Eh, I guess that’s ultimately the same unless Hebi claims something better

[Katyusha]

Either way a JK is fairly strong with 1 scum left so if we let you live you do your thing N3 and claim the result

Lemme see how that works out

[Katyusha]

same lol

im just not the kind of person who likes to ever coast in mafia if i can avoid it

[Katyusha]

SXTLHGaiden
Sky_Paladin
Text Generator
DaLetterEl
Elbirn
hebichan

So these are our remaining suspects. I would be happy to have a cop on Purrcs if people arent going to listen to me on this read but I'm still very confident in it - i don't want them lynched either way and I think they're a very good mislynch for scum in this gamestate.

We need to decide on:

D2 Lynch:
D3 Cop Target:
D3 Lynch if Cop Target is town:

So that's three suspects we need to work out. No clue where DLE is though atp, so I'm not sure if we can rely on him to be the cop target without Elbirn destroying his card.

I think based on reads alone my top three suspects would be TG, Hebi, and Gaiden, but to use TG's jailkeeper shot he can't be the lynch and he also can't be the cop target. So I have to pick a fourth and I'm not really sure who that would be.

pedit: That's where I'm at. Or DLE/Gaiden I guess but that's more stale reads than scumreads.

[Katyusha]

dunn do you remember when soraya montenegro was my avatar

the good ol' days

[Katyusha]

Hm

Then how about

Stage 3 Lynch: Hebi (Mislynch)
Stage 4: Elbirn crushes S_P who fullclaims today
Stage 5: Cop S_P. If town, lynch Gaiden (Mislynch)
Stage 6: TG jailkeeps DLE
Extra (D1): Lynch TG (Mislynch)

I think Elbirn is the only non-townbloc slot not accounted for

Unsure where to go from there but we have 4 mislynches iirc before LYLO so that should honestly be close to autowin unless there's a huge objection to the townbloc of {Purrcs, Me, Kiana, Lexa, Dunn, Gamma}. Lemme work this out

[Katyusha]

i think he means break sky's card, not yours

pedit: OH LOOK AT THAT IT'S ANOTHER COP ROLE COOL! ok new plan hang on

and yes purrcs <3

[Katyusha]

Hebi by "the next night" you mean the next stage? or two stages later