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Post Post #450  (ISO)  » Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:23 am

Yeah, the best way to really annoy someone is to PBPA every single one of their posts the entire game :lol:
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Post Post #451  (ISO)  » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:14 am

Yes it's probably a good idea that anyone new reads theory from this decade and not the time of dial up and brick phones.

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Post Post #452  (ISO)  » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:24 am

In post 447, Lycanfire wrote:Alisae's bit about rolecards or whatever should probably get a page too.
I need to finish that :/
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Post Post #453  (ISO)  » Tue Mar 27, 2018 2:37 am

Category:Articles has finally been blanked, with all articles filed under "Play", "Views", "Modding", and "Wiki" (with wgeurts's scummer page guide).

Now creating subcategories for Townplay and Scumplay articles. Should help ICs in newbie games not have to type their own guides out over and over.

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Post Post #454  (ISO)  » Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:05 am

In post 447, Lycanfire wrote:PbPA

Quick search shows it's been used in over 7k posts on MS and plenty are from this year. I don't feel like the fact that you don't like the term is sufficient reason to remove it
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Post Post #455  (ISO)  » Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:11 am

Looks like I just ran into you helping out with the categorisation Lycan, thanks :P

I found the template {{Outofdate}}, and I've been using it on articles around a decade or so old that don't really seem to apply anymore. A few do, to be sure (I don't think general charisma articles will ever go out of date), but I'm using my best judgment and anyone can reverse or update articles if they disagree.

And yeah, I agree with Kitty on this. Removing PbPA is like removing OMGUS. Not liking it isn't justification for removing it altogether. I still see that used.

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Post Post #456  (ISO)  » Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:12 am

I wrote in the talk page to talk about it not because I don't like it. If I didn't like it I would have removed it again.

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Post Post #457  (ISO)  » Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:13 am

@Lycanfire: The Article template wgeurts created automatically adds the page to the correct article subcategory just by putting a value in the Type section.

I'd like to modify it to allow multiple types in the template a la the Open Setups template, but for now, you shouldn't have to waste your time manually adding those categories.

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Post Post #458  (ISO)  » Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:24 am

I was moving some while picking articles to reformat. Wasn't a bother to me.

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Post Post #459  (ISO)  » Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:31 am

Simpler than I expected. The articles template now allows the input of multiple types just by using Type2, Type3, Type4, etc. Should no longer need manual entry of categories at the end.

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Post Post #460  (ISO)  » Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:43 am

In a rare moment, a new page on mafia theory has actually been uploaded: Self-voting

Hopefully it might be of some use to ICs.

Redirected Fong's Gambit to a subsection, and described the controversy surrounding it in accordance with current meta. Also added it to Gambits and Tells (noting that its use as a scumtell is in question).

Are there currently any plays or tells that really need wiki pages? This was the first glaring hole I came across (considering Fong's Gambit is around 14 years old).

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Post Post #461  (ISO)  » Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:09 am

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This, but with "Beginner's Guides to Mafia".

There are at least 6 or 7 articles ostensibly written as a guide to newbies, but the combined amount of content is insane, and the wiki doesn't appear to particularly endorse any of them. Seeing as the only way to really find them is to be searching through the wiki yourself, I don't think many newbies read these guides or get much out of them until they're skilled enough that they no longer need the guides.

Besides, ICs basically repost their own guides in every newbie game anyway.

How do we resolve the 15 competing standards?

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Post Post #462  (ISO)  » Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:25 am

btw personally I would keep IoA or have a place to merge IIoA and IoA together because while they both mean the same thing, IoA is shorter so I know I tend to use it more if I am going to use it.
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Post Post #463  (ISO)  » Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:09 am

In post 460, Mathdino wrote:Are there currently any plays or tells that really need wiki pages? This was the first glaring hole I came across (considering Fong's Gambit is around 14 years old).

I've been mentioning role-specific gambits (e.g. claiming Survivor as the last remaining member of a scum faction in multiball, or claiming Vigilante as Unjester) in the play advice for the roles themselves. Do they need pages of their own? Note that many of them haven't got names yet (and some are untested, with others having been tested and shown to be a bad idea).

There are also some very basic gambits which don't have pages (or names!), such as claiming Miller in your first post as scum.
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Post Post #464  (ISO)  » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:17 pm

In post 461, Mathdino wrote:Image

This, but with "Beginner's Guides to Mafia".

There are at least 6 or 7 articles ostensibly written as a guide to newbies, but the combined amount of content is insane, and the wiki doesn't appear to particularly endorse any of them. Seeing as the only way to really find them is to be searching through the wiki yourself, I don't think many newbies read these guides or get much out of them until they're skilled enough that they no longer need the guides.

Besides, ICs basically repost their own guides in every newbie game anyway.

How do we resolve the 15 competing standards?

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Post Post #465  (ISO)  » Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:57 pm

In post 442, T-Bone wrote:Well, to give ya'll a sneak preview...we've been discussing the mafiawiki backstage for a while, and we will soon ask for volunteers to overhaul specific parts of the wiki.

You didn't hear it from me though.

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Post Post #466  (ISO)  » Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:01 pm

hey wgeurts i finally got around to responding to your 2.5 year old request of adding more theory pages

i think we're gonna need a theory portal at some point if you're interested :D

also im not sure if anyone is responding to my {{deleteme}} requests so

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Post Post #467  (ISO)  » Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:06 pm

Wiki guides don't matter much

mafia play is best taught by example
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Post Post #468  (ISO)  » Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:07 pm

yeah you're probably right

new project: delete all wiki guides :P

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Post Post #469  (ISO)  » Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:05 pm

In post 466, Mathdino wrote:also im not sure if anyone is responding to my {{deleteme}} requests so


When you make a large number of changes at once, it's hard for me to spot that some of them are deletion requests unless you mention it in the edit summary, as I don't have time to check every edit individually and don't frequently check the deletion requests specifically. I'm mostly just trying to clear up after spambots, and you aren't a spambot. So if there isn't a clear mention in the edit summary that you're looking for deletion, it can take a while before I notice the request.

Additionally, due to the site policy for how deletions work on the wiki, I don't delete pages unless it's completely uncontroversial that they need deletion, i.e. a) they're obvious spam, b) they're vandalism/attack pages/ongoing game discussion/anything else that breaks the site rules, or c) their only author requested them to be deleted. See MafiaWiki:Deletion policy for the rules for deletion. Most of your requests don't fit the deletion policy, so I've been leaving them alone for someone with more decision making authority than me (e.g. the site admins) to deal with.

It may make sense to discuss here what sort of deletion policy we want on the wiki for controversial deletions, so that the skittles can implement it. I'm not a skittle, I'm just a spamfighter (and the person who enacts most actual deletions), and it's not up to me to create deletion rules.
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Post Post #470  (ISO)  » Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:09 pm

ah, sounds good, i wasn't sure how the deletion process quite worked, thanks for the clarification

i should start ticking the "minor edit" box, sorry about filling up the recent changes list

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Post Post #471  (ISO)  » Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:47 am

In post 455, Mathdino wrote:I found the template {{Outofdate}}
I believe this is what I had seen before when I said there was an existing category.
Close enough. :P (Same function, more or less.)
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Post Post #472  (ISO)  » Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:51 am

I think wiki guides are more helpful for already competent players than newbies
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Post Post #473  (ISO)  » Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:59 am

doesn't make it any less deserving of good content

on one hand there's the newbies that flake in the middle of the first game, sure

but then there's a lot of newbies that flake out or can't get to the point of semi-competence after their first 2 or 3 games

i think that "i just played my first or second newbie game" crowd needs a lot more support than it's getting

a lot of newbie games are total shitshows and don't actually teach much

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Post Post #474  (ISO)  » Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:59 am

think that's better served by having SEs and ICs actually take an interest in the newbies in the games that they were in and do a better job teaching

no amount of textbook theory is going to replace actual interaction and 1v1 time, it's like teaching anything else
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