Large Normal 211: Scientific Mafia

[TwoInAMillion]

First post
VOTE: Egg

[TwoInAMillion]

VOTE: nictis

it's been a while!

Since playing with him or voting him?

[TwoInAMillion]

I don't believe that Flavor Leaf is a Town Ascetic Miller Neighbor. Please don't fakeclaim.

VOTE: Vote: Flavor Leaf

[TwoInAMillion]

I don't believe that Flavor Leaf is a Town Ascetic Miller Neighbor. Please don't fakeclaim.

VOTE: Vote: Flavor Leaf

Why do you think that he is fakeclaiming?

It seems like an absurd role.

[TwoInAMillion]

So you admit you are fakeclaiming.

[TwoInAMillion]

Last time I stopped tunneling you it cost town the game.

[TwoInAMillion]

Last time I stopped tunneling you it cost town the game.

Fair enough, but the 1v1 let me hide in plain sight, so i’m not asking that you stop tunneling, just start later.





I don't respond to scum requests.

[TwoInAMillion]

The odds of this being an all town neighborhood are very low.

[TwoInAMillion]

Focusing night actions on the neighborhood might be a good approach if we're reasonably certain there is scum there.

[TwoInAMillion]

Focusing night actions on the neighborhood might be a good approach if we're reasonably certain there is scum there.

This feels self-serving despite its apparent logic.

Catching scum is self serving?

[TwoInAMillion]

Focusing night actions on the neighborhood might be a good approach if we're reasonably certain there is scum there.

This feels self-serving despite its apparent logic.

Catching scum is self serving?

Directing night actions away from oneself is selfserving.

Well, I know I'm town so why would I want people to night action me?

[TwoInAMillion]

Thanks for the love, LUV.

[TwoInAMillion]

VOTE: Pine

[TwoInAMillion]

How is it ignorance? If there is a pro-town solution to target neighbors and pine is against it how does that not make him scummy?

[TwoInAMillion]

You can agree or disagree that there are scum in the neighborhood but I don't see how my logic is poor.

[TwoInAMillion]

I don't believe that Flavor Leaf is a Town Ascetic Miller Neighbor. Please don't fakeclaim.

VOTE: Vote: Flavor Leaf

See, reading through again, this seems like a really forced response to Leaf. It pings me.

Or here's a thought: More than one scum in the neighborhood? One from each team? Assuming, of course, two teams.

Feels like scumslip, but probably isn't?

Looks like scum, but probably is too obvious. Maybe NewTown?

Aha! Now you're onto something, as half this game can confirm.

It's not forced. I got screwed over by FL my last game with him.

[TwoInAMillion]

You can agree or disagree that there are scum in the neighborhood but I don't see how my logic is poor.

No one said it was poor. Just self serving. And seems to have an interior motive.

You wouldn't be saying that if we catch neighborhood scum.

[TwoInAMillion]

Imma just vig the whole neighborhood, mmkay?

No one said that.

[TwoInAMillion]

VOTE: Unvote

May be tvt with pine and inferno.

[TwoInAMillion]

@Gamma - Answering to the Flubber question, I can see Flubber doing that as town, and for some reason I always town read Flubber. He’s one of the players I misread the most on site. But yes, it is very similar to that game.

@Egg - that’s just what Two does. He votes me. I’ve never played with scumTwo, I might have once, and I was inactive the majority of that game and he died before I was in really, but this is the same townTwo I always want to lynch.

You're not scumhunting. And you're not giving me a good reason not to vote you.

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@Gamma - Answering to the Flubber question, I can see Flubber doing that as town, and for some reason I always town read Flubber. He’s one of the players I misread the most on site. But yes, it is very similar to that game.

@Egg - that’s just what Two does. He votes me. I’ve never played with scumTwo, I might have once, and I was inactive the majority of that game and he died before I was in really, but this is the same townTwo I always want to lynch.

You're not scumhunting. And you're not giving me a good reason not to vote you.

Which of your neighbors do you think are most likely to be scum besides you?

[TwoInAMillion]

14:6 would be scumsided, reviewers have been pushing for more town sided setups recently.

[TwoInAMillion]

Also I am legit claiming right now.

I am a cop.

I will investigate one of luv, nsg or flavor tonight

fire is suicide bomber confirmed

If this was true what's the pro town reason to say it in thread?

[TwoInAMillion]

I am somewhat autistic forgive me if I didn't get the joke.

[TwoInAMillion]

Sometimes it takes me awhile to get into a flow of a game. I'm not very good at faking it. The neighborhood seems to be the elephant in the room right now, as well as Flavor's fakeclaim.

[TwoInAMillion]

I'll take being an annoying player who catches scum.

[TwoInAMillion]

Flavor is listening about being caught scum.

[TwoInAMillion]

Whining

[TwoInAMillion]

I don't see a question mark anywhere

[TwoInAMillion]

Let me rephrase then:
What do you think is wrong with your push on Flavor?

Nothing.

[TwoInAMillion]

Let me rephrase then:
What do you think is wrong with your push on Flavor?

Nothing.

Here's the answer:
You missed Flavor actually saying you were town, and only picked up on the "wanting to lynch you" part. That's some rather scummy selective reading, cos it permits a bullshit push. Plus with the amount of times I've seen you shout about being an easy target for scum it seems like you'd note someone actually arguing you as mislynch bait. But nope, Flavor says he wants to lynch you so I guess he's scum pushing you. Or maybe it's that you're twisting the narrative and are scum.
PEdit: profii that's really helpful thanks man

If you think I'm pushing FL because I thought he thinks I'm scum then you are misreading the whole situation.

[TwoInAMillion]

I agree with Pine.

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But if everyone else agrees on NSG I will go along for today.

[TwoInAMillion]

I agree with Pine.

About what? Also you still need to answer me about why you're scumreading Flavor Leaf

He's not trying. That's pretty consistant with his scummeta.

[TwoInAMillion]

I agree with Pine.

About what? Also you still need to answer me about why you're scumreading Flavor Leaf

He's not trying. That's pretty consistant with his scummeta.

Not trying = scum boon...how?

Recent experience.

[TwoInAMillion]

This is a recent town game for FL where he was by far the most active poster...

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=75231&activity_overview=1

[TwoInAMillion]

No in a recent scum game I played with him in he consistantly avoided activity and ended up winning the game.

[TwoInAMillion]

Why haven't you linked it yet?

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=74658

[TwoInAMillion]

Why haven't you linked it yet?

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=74658

YAAAAAAAAAAAAWN
Do you really still think Boon lied about irl being in the way?

Yes, because he was quite active in the mafia pt.

[TwoInAMillion]

I am townreading Pine, GE, Firebringer, and Theta.

[TwoInAMillion]

Oh holy shit 2iam you're right
he legit said he didn't feel like posting because he'd sound scummy in the mafia pt
but my question for you now is how is he not trying here?

Because he's focusing on my meta rather than actually what's happening in the game. "TIAM is annoying" etc.

That's pretty close to what he did in the scum game where he basically stayed alive by saying my arguments were NAI.

[TwoInAMillion]

"I'm busy" is his scum meta specifically. Then he responds when accused and tries to use the "I'm boon and I'm awesome and don't deserve to be lynched" excuse.

[TwoInAMillion]

Seriously? Doesn't he enjoy playing scum? Why would he always put off scumgames if he enjoyed them?

I'm not a psychologist but I'm guessing because it's worked for him in the past.

[TwoInAMillion]

How do you explain when I do that as town then...?

You don't, you're usually more active and gamesolving as town.

[TwoInAMillion]

How do you explain when I do that as town then...?

You don't, you're usually more active and gamesolving as town.

Mm, I disagree with this. I lurk a lot more as town than I do scum.

I believe you were scum in a game I was in from the beginning, and by Day 4, I had like 10 posts.

Which one was this?

[TwoInAMillion]

Apparently any push on FL is "inane"

[TwoInAMillion]

FL thinks he's too good to be lynched on meta basically so in order to lynch him we need a result.

[TwoInAMillion]

I don't scum read you in every single game. Just the one's you act scummy in.

[TwoInAMillion]

If you start trying to solve the game I'll start town reading you.

[TwoInAMillion]

UNVOTE:

which game was this?

I don't think you need meta to know that town people will generally flip out if you misrep their scum meta to fit a game.

FL flips out whenever he is scum read at all.

[TwoInAMillion]

Oh holy shit 2iam you're right
he legit said he didn't feel like posting because he'd sound scummy in the mafia pt
but my question for you now is how is he not trying here?

Because he's focusing on my meta rather than actually what's happening in the game. "TIAM is annoying" etc.

That's pretty close to what he did in the scum game where he basically stayed alive by saying my arguments were NAI.

Boom relies a lot on meta to be honest. We can argue that you haven’t been focused on what’s going on the game at all either. If it’s not about Boon, then its about the neighborhood.

That's not true. At least I've posted who I think is town. And if we have at least a 25% chance of getting scum by lynching in the neighborhood that's a place to start unless someone has a better idea.

[TwoInAMillion]

Oh holy shit 2iam you're right
he legit said he didn't feel like posting because he'd sound scummy in the mafia pt
but my question for you now is how is he not trying here?

Because he's focusing on my meta rather than actually what's happening in the game. "TIAM is annoying" etc.

That's pretty close to what he did in the scum game where he basically stayed alive by saying my arguments were NAI.

Boom relies a lot on meta to be honest. We can argue that you haven’t been focused on what’s going on the game at all either. If it’s not about Boon, then its about the neighborhood.

That's not true. At least I've posted who I think is town. And if we have at least a 25% chance of getting scum by lynching in the neighborhood that's a place to start unless someone has a better idea.

Oh fack off Boon's given townreads as well. And we don't have a certified 25% chance of catching scum by lynching in the hood.

I don't see any reasonable setup with 4 town neighbors.

[TwoInAMillion]

Oh holy shit 2iam you're right
he legit said he didn't feel like posting because he'd sound scummy in the mafia pt
but my question for you now is how is he not trying here?

Because he's focusing on my meta rather than actually what's happening in the game. "TIAM is annoying" etc.

That's pretty close to what he did in the scum game where he basically stayed alive by saying my arguments were NAI.

Boom relies a lot on meta to be honest. We can argue that you haven’t been focused on what’s going on the game at all either. If it’s not about Boon, then its about the neighborhood.

That's not true. At least I've posted who I think is town. And if we have at least a 25% chance of getting scum by lynching in the neighborhood that's a place to start unless someone has a better idea.

Oh fack off Boon's given townreads as well. And we don't have a certified 25% chance of catching scum by lynching in the hood.

I don't see any reasonable setup with 4 town neighbors.

Jegus fuck have you not heard me say this setup is similar to Large 203? Let me note that game had an all-town hood. So yes, it is absolutely viable a four-town hood could exist.

It's possible but not likely at all.

[TwoInAMillion]

He town clan right now:
Me (town leader obviously), Pine (my lieutenant), Thea (the tag along kid), Gamma (the big guy with the big heart) , nosferatu (the snarky funny guy), flubbernugget (the stoic), 2im (the ditz)

The antagonists!!!!!

Northsidegal (empress of pain), Nictis (the dragon), uc voyager and peregrinev (those two guys that you always see together Babur don’t do much)

Thank you, Donald Trump.

[TwoInAMillion]

@fire where is flavor leaf
@2iam wtf why are you calling fire trump?
pedit: okay then

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/05/politics ... index.html

[TwoInAMillion]

ITT we learn that 2im doesn’t know difference between nicknames and character archetypes/tropes

It's the same idea.

[TwoInAMillion]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

[TwoInAMillion]

I call it as I see it. When FL flips scum you'll thank me.

[TwoInAMillion]

I didn't vote you, it's not an OMGUS.

[TwoInAMillion]

I'll back off FL amid public pressure but I still think he's scum ftr.

UNVOTE:

[TwoInAMillion]

Unvote

[TwoInAMillion]

I promise I won't 1v1 FL.

[TwoInAMillion]

I'm town. Deal with it.

[TwoInAMillion]

Honestly I've never liked day 1s as a rule.

[TwoInAMillion]

VOTE: UC Voyager

[TwoInAMillion]

Based on what?

[TwoInAMillion]

If a lot of pro town players are for it than I am for it.

VOTE: Proffii

[TwoInAMillion]

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

[TwoInAMillion]

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

the fuck does this even mean here

With this week’s DVD release of Star Trek into Darkness, now is a good time to evaluate or reevaluate the oft-stated Star Trek claim, “The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few” (or “the one”). This claim is made in various scenes in the films, including in the latest one. Let’s first consider some instances and the relevant contexts.

In The Wrath of Khan (1982), Spock says, “Logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.” Captain Kirk answers, “Or the one.” This sets up a pivotal scene near the end of the film (spoilers follow).

With the Enterprise (ship) in imminent danger of destruction, Spock enters a highly radioactive chamber in order to fix the ship’s drive so the crew can escape danger. Spock quickly perishes, and, with his final breaths, says to Kirk, “Don’t grieve, Admiral. It is logical. The needs of the many outweigh . . .” Kirk finishes for him, “The needs of the few.” Spock replies, “Or the one.”

In the next film, The Search for Spock (1984), the crew of the Enterprise discovers that Spock is not actually dead, that his body and soul survive separately, and that it may be possible to rejoin them—which the crew proceeds to do. Once restored, Spock asks Kirk why the crew saved him. Kirk answers, “Because the needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many.” This is, as Spock might say, a fascinating reversal of the message in the previous film.

How can these ideas be reconciled?

We find an answer in the next film, The Voyage Home (1986). At the beginning of this film, Spock’s mother, who is human (his father is Vulcan), asks him whether he still believes that, by logic, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. He says yes. She replies, “Then you are here because of a mistake—your friends have given their future to save you.” (The crew had broken the law and had gone on the run in order to rescue Spock.) Spock says that humans are sometimes illogical; his mother answers, “They are, indeed!”

Later in the film, when crewman Chekov is in trouble, Spock insists that the crew save him, even at risk of jeopardizing the crew’s vital mission to save Earth and everyone on it. Kirk asks, “Is this the logical thing to do?” Spock answers, “No, but it is the human thing to do.” Although Spock reaffirms his claim that the needs of the many logically outweigh the needs of the few, he suggests that sometimes we must do the “human” thing, not the logical thing, and put the needs of the few (or the one) first.

So Spock, Kirk, and Spock’s mother have affirmed the idea that acting logically and acting “human” can be at odds—and that acting logically means always putting the needs of the many first. This is the alleged reconciliation of the apparently conflicting ideas with which we started.

But this logically is not a reconciliation at all.

In logic, (a) there can be no divide between acting logically and acting human; and (b) as Ayn Rand discovered and explained, the needs of the individual are what give rise to the need and possibility of value judgments to begin with.

Our capacity to use logic, to integrate the evidence of our senses in a noncontradictory way, is part of our rational faculty—the very faculty that makes us human. Obviously, we also have the capacity to be illogical, but that is because our rational faculty also entails volition, the power to choose to think or not to think. We also have the capacity to experience emotions, which are automatic responses to our experiences in relation to our values. (Various other species have an emotional capacity as well, but our values are chosen, so even on this score we are substantially different.)

Our emotions, though real and important, are not a means of knowledge; they are automatic reactions to experiences in relation to our value judgments. Our means of knowledge is reason, the use of observation and logic.

In regard to the Star Trek example, the reason Kirk was right to help Spock is not that doing so was “human” as against “logical”; rather, he was right to help Spock because, given the immense value that Spock is to Kirk, both as a friend and as a colleague, and given that the mission to help Spock was feasible, helping him was the logical and thus human thing to do.

In this case, Kirk’s emotional ties to Spock aligned with his logical evaluation of Spock’s value to him. It is possible for a person’s values to be out of line with his rational judgment, but in such cases his rational judgment remains his means of knowledge, and his emotions should take a backseat until he reassesses his values and brings them back into line with his logical assessment of the facts.

Once we see the relationship and potential harmony between reason and emotion, we can see that Spock’s claim that being logical is (or can be) at odds with being human makes no sense.

What of Spock’s claim, “Logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few”? Logic requires that some evidence be offered in support of such a claim—but Spock offers no evidence in support of this. He just asserts it. Which “many”? Which “few”? “Outweigh” on whose scale? For what purpose? To whose benefit? Why is his or their benefit the proper benefit? Spock does not address such questions; he simply asserts that logic clearly dictates his conclusion. But it doesn’t.

Far from being an expression of logic, Spock’s claim that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few is an arbitrary assertion and a restatement of the baseless moral theory known as utilitarianism, which asserts that each individual should act to serve the greatest good for the greatest number. (For a critique of utilitarianism, see my essay on the moral theory of Sam Harris, TOS, Winter 2012–13.)

subscribe-now-porWhat logic actually dictates is that if human beings want to live and achieve happiness, they must identify and pursue the values that make that goal possible. As Ayn Rand points out, life makes values both possible and necessary. We need to eat—in order to live and prosper. We need to wear protective clothing and find shelter—in order to live and prosper. We need to pursue a productive career to gain goods and services—in order to live and prosper. The principle holds true in more-complex cases as well. We need to build friendships to gain a wide variety of intellectual, psychological, and material benefits—in order to live and prosper. We need to experience great art to see our values in concrete form—in order to live and prosper. The pattern holds for all our values. Logically, the only ultimate reason we need to pursue any value is in order to live and prosper. (See Rand’s essay “The Objectivist Ethics” for her derivation of this principle.)

How does this principle apply in the Star Trek examples? In the case of Kirk’s dangerous mission to help Spock, Kirk logically concludes that, given the full context of his values, saving his dear friend is worth the risk involved.

What are we to make, then, of Spock’s final actions in The Wrath of Khan? Does he sacrifice his own life and values in order to serve the needs of the many? No. Khan, piloting a damaged ship, sets off a device that will soon cause a massive explosion that will destroy his own ship along with the Enterprise and its entire crew. Captain Kirk says to his chief engineer, “Scotty, I need warp speed in three minutes or we’re all dead.” It is at this point that Spock leaves the bridge, goes to engineering, and enters a radiation-filled room in order to repair the ship’s warp drive. As a result of Spock’s actions, the Enterprise speeds away to a safe distance from the explosion—but Spock “dies.”

Spock does consider the needs of his friends and shipmates in making this move. But he does not thereby sacrifice his own values or even his own life. His only alternative is to die with the ship anyway. Instead of dying and having all of his shipmates and friends die too, he chooses to uphold and protect the values that he can and to uphold his commitment to serve as a Star Fleet officer—a position that he chose knowing and accepting the risks involved.

Although in this case Spock must pick the least bad of two bad options, he makes the choice that best serves his interests and thus his life.

The only principle consistent with logic and thus with humanity is that if we want to “live long and prosper” (as Vulcans often say) we must use logic and pursue our life-serving values. Fortunately, contrary to Spock’s occasional illogic, this is what he actually does. And this is why so many people love him. It’s only logical.

https://www.theobjectivestandard.com/20 ... f-the-few/

[TwoInAMillion]

Mulch looks pretty town I like his analysis.

[TwoInAMillion]

Inferno may be scum but you should join the proffi wagon.

[TwoInAMillion]

I disagree with most of Inferno's read list.

VOTE: Inferno

[TwoInAMillion]

I disagree with most of Inferno's read list.

VOTE: Inferno

And that's a reason to lynch him? Also I feel like Inferno's kinda been obvtown

Yeah, I don't feel he's obvtown, and a bad read list can lead to lynching town.

[TwoInAMillion]

I disagree with most of Inferno's read list.

VOTE: Inferno

And that's a reason to lynch him? Also I feel like Inferno's kinda been obvtown

Yeah, I don't feel he's obvtown, and a bad read list can lead to lynching town.

Again: bad reads are not scummy

They can be. If I'm scum and I purposefully list all town as my reads how is that not scummy?

[TwoInAMillion]

I disagree with most of Inferno's read list.

VOTE: Inferno

This is gross.

Explain.

[TwoInAMillion]

I disagree with most of Inferno's read list.

VOTE: Inferno

This is gross.

Explain.

Even SRing someone for having a Reads list that is different than yours is pushing it pretty hard. Definitely not vote worthy. Like, in order for you to know that their reads are wrong in the first place either you have to be Scum or have perfect reads and it's fucking D1, so someone having a readslist you don't agree with and voting them for that is such garbage it's not even funny.

Plus you are being really results oriented and assuming your reads are correct for your read to have any merit whatsoever and both are not a good way to get a read. It's also an extremely shallow read considering you would first have to know the players reasons for each of their reads in their readslist and then have to refute their reasoning for each one which you are not doing at all.

I disagree with 4 of his 6 reads fundamentally. To me that means that there's a fair chance he might be on the other team than me.

[TwoInAMillion]

I disagree with most of Inferno's read list.

VOTE: Inferno

This is gross.

Explain.

Even SRing someone for having a Reads list that is different than yours is pushing it pretty hard. Definitely not vote worthy. Like, in order for you to know that their reads are wrong in the first place either you have to be Scum or have perfect reads and it's fucking D1, so someone having a readslist you don't agree with and voting them for that is such garbage it's not even funny.

Plus you are being really results oriented and assuming your reads are correct for your read to have any merit whatsoever and both are not a good way to get a read. It's also an extremely shallow read considering you would first have to know the players reasons for each of their reads in their readslist and then have to refute their reasoning for each one which you are not doing at all.

I disagree with 4 of his 6 reads fundamentally. To me that means that there's a fair chance he might be on the other team than me.

Right, and I am telling you that is shit. Look at what they do and their reasoning, not just their reads.

I think your reads are a major part of "what they do" They didn't provide reasoning, they just said this is who we should be lynching.

[TwoInAMillion]

I disagree with most of Inferno's read list.

VOTE: Inferno

This is gross.

Explain.

Even SRing someone for having a Reads list that is different than yours is pushing it pretty hard. Definitely not vote worthy. Like, in order for you to know that their reads are wrong in the first place either you have to be Scum or have perfect reads and it's fucking D1, so someone having a readslist you don't agree with and voting them for that is such garbage it's not even funny.

Plus you are being really results oriented and assuming your reads are correct for your read to have any merit whatsoever and both are not a good way to get a read. It's also an extremely shallow read considering you would first have to know the players reasons for each of their reads in their readslist and then have to refute their reasoning for each one which you are not doing at all.

I disagree with 4 of his 6 reads fundamentally. To me that means that there's a fair chance he might be on the other team than me.

Right, and I am telling you that is shit. Look at what they do and their reasoning, not just their reads.

I think your reads are a major part of "what they do" They didn't provide reasoning, they just said this is who we should be lynching.

And you didn't ask them what their reasoning was so how the hell do you know how they got those reads?

I don't think I should have to ask for people to not give randomly bad reads and give reasoning.

[TwoInAMillion]

I disagree with most of Inferno's read list.

VOTE: Inferno

This is gross.

Explain.

Even SRing someone for having a Reads list that is different than yours is pushing it pretty hard. Definitely not vote worthy. Like, in order for you to know that their reads are wrong in the first place either you have to be Scum or have perfect reads and it's fucking D1, so someone having a readslist you don't agree with and voting them for that is such garbage it's not even funny.

Plus you are being really results oriented and assuming your reads are correct for your read to have any merit whatsoever and both are not a good way to get a read. It's also an extremely shallow read considering you would first have to know the players reasons for each of their reads in their readslist and then have to refute their reasoning for each one which you are not doing at all.

I disagree with 4 of his 6 reads fundamentally. To me that means that there's a fair chance he might be on the other team than me.

Right, and I am telling you that is shit. Look at what they do and their reasoning, not just their reads.

I think your reads are a major part of "what they do" They didn't provide reasoning, they just said this is who we should be lynching.

And you didn't ask them what their reasoning was so how the hell do you know how they got those reads?

I don't think I should have to ask for people to not give randomly bad reads and give reasoning.

How do you know their reads are bad?

Because I am pretty confident in my game based on my record.

[TwoInAMillion]

can y'all stop flooding the thread with garbage?

Blame quick, not me, my point was valid.

[TwoInAMillion]

Oh no, I'm communicating with other players, I MUST be scum.

[TwoInAMillion]

I think two’s town.

wow you're terrible
I'm thinking maybe Flavorleaf and 2iam could be scum who had a planned out distancing push and townread thing
VOTE: Twoinamillion

Confirmation bias.

[TwoInAMillion]

I think two’s town.

wow you're terrible
I'm thinking maybe Flavorleaf and 2iam could be scum who had a planned out distancing push and townread thing
VOTE: Twoinamillion

Confirmation bias.

How the heck is this confirmation bias?

Because he says he thinks its true so it must be true. There's no actual reasoning behind it.

[TwoInAMillion]

When I was tunneling Flavor Leaf people thought I was scum for tunneling him. No that I'm not people are saying that I'm working with him. It makes no sense.

[TwoInAMillion]

I think two’s town.

wow you're terrible
I'm thinking maybe Flavorleaf and 2iam could be scum who had a planned out distancing push and townread thing
VOTE: Twoinamillion

Confirmation bias.

How the heck is this confirmation bias?

Because he says he thinks its true so it must be true. There's no actual reasoning behind it.

Well, I could say the same thing about your read on me, so

I do have reasoning, your reads are bad.

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I don't think so. Not is TIAM doing the exact same thing to me that he's accusing Gamma of doing, I'm not sure that it's actually confirmation bias. I for one can definitely see the progression that would lead Gamma to that conclusion, even if it's not right.

You're only saying that because I'm voting you.

[TwoInAMillion]

Inferno is getting his panties in a huge bundle over one vote.

[TwoInAMillion]

Your tone indicates you are lying.

[TwoInAMillion]

Like, can we actually lynch TIAM please? The bullshit from him at this point is just ridiculous.

P-edit: And your tone indicates that you're just saying shit to try and get me to back down.

I'm the one that voted you, not the other way around. You're being reactive and deceitful not me. I don't have anything to hide and I've been that way consistantly.

[TwoInAMillion]

STOP

You are either tvt

svs

or svt

so stop

Great process of elimination there, I applaud you. I would be more than happy if Inferno admits he's scum and stops.

[TwoInAMillion]

TwoInAMillion [4]: Egg, Nosferatu, Inferno390, Gamma Emerald

these could literally all be scum.

[TwoInAMillion]

TwoInAMillion [4]: Egg, Nosferatu, Inferno390, Gamma Emerald

these could literally all be scum.

Uh huh, because there would be two Neighbors on the scum team.
Would you please pull pull your head out of your firicking confirmation biased ass and back off?

Maybe if you had some good reads and original insults.

[TwoInAMillion]

If I am being accused of hyperposting in a game with Mulch in it something is truly bizzare.

[TwoInAMillion]

Flavor Leaf thinks anyone's reasons for voting him are bad. but in this case his vote looks golden.

VOTE: Quick

[TwoInAMillion]

Flavor Leaf thinks anyone's reasons for voting him are bad. but in this case his vote looks golden.

VOTE: Quick

lolwut
I mean Quick said something bordering on scumslip in the hood but why do you think it's a good vote?

You're just laughing at me for the sake of laughing at me.

Replacing out because you don't like someone you are playing with supposedly reiks of scum to me.

[TwoInAMillion]

Flavor Leaf thinks anyone's reasons for voting him are bad. but in this case his vote looks golden.

VOTE: Quick

lolwut
I mean Quick said something bordering on scumslip in the hood but why do you think it's a good vote?

You're just laughing at me for the sake of laughing at me.

Replacing out because you don't like someone you are playing with supposedly reiks of scum to me.

That's a bad reason to suspect someone, also while it's fun to laugh at you it's not why I said that, it was meant to convey a "what" spoken while kinda chuckling

I have low respect for people who replace out, what can I say.

[TwoInAMillion]

Flavor Leaf thinks anyone's reasons for voting him are bad. but in this case his vote looks golden.

VOTE: Quick

lolwut
I mean Quick said something bordering on scumslip in the hood but why do you think it's a good vote?

You're just laughing at me for the sake of laughing at me.

Replacing out because you don't like someone you are playing with supposedly reiks of scum to me.

That's a bad reason to suspect someone, also while it's fun to laugh at you it's not why I said that, it was meant to convey a "what" spoken while kinda chuckling

I have low respect for people who replace out, what can I say.

So do I but it doesn't make them scum...

I've seen a lot of people replace out because they are scum.

[TwoInAMillion]

Quick said he wasn’t aware when he replaced in, yet in the neighborhood he brought up trying to policy before I even started posting. He then made a case on me.

Can someone else in the hood please confirm/deny this?

I kinda doubt he'd lie when people can come in and verify like that.

I think you'd be surprised about what people lie about. Also, interpretation matters. Thats why I wanted another opinion.

@profii,

quick was allegedly pushing a policy lynch on Flavor Leaf. before he said, in game thread, that he didn't realize Flavor was in this game?

kinda fucky.

and that, ladies and gents, is enough to warrant my first vote of the game.
VOTE: Quick

[TwoInAMillion]

I think it's more likely he didn't like drawing scum and was looking for an excuse to replace out.

[TwoInAMillion]

I try not to pyschoanalze people.

[TwoInAMillion]

Gamma is being way more antagonistic than he usually is as town.

[TwoInAMillion]

I think it's more likely he didn't like drawing scum and was looking for an excuse to replace out.

Got my links?

When I feel like it. That involves work.

[TwoInAMillion]

Mini Normal 1933
Edgeworth Miles Narbna = Mafia
Virtuoso = Town
Game Replacement = Town
Backhand = Town

[TwoInAMillion]

Mini Normal 1931
TIAM = Town
RadiantCowbells=Scum
Boonskiies=Scum
frog=town
Game Replacement=Scum
Mulch=town
MarioManiac=SK

[TwoInAMillion]

Need I go on?

[TwoInAMillion]

Mini Theme 1935
RadiantCowbells Town
Chickadee Scum
WhyMafia Town

Mini Theme 1947(only one replacement)
Dunnstral Town

[TwoInAMillion]

Need I go on?

They all replaced out because they were scum though?

I didn't say all. I said that people tend to not to like to be wagoned as scum more than not liking to be wagoned as town and thus replace out more.

[TwoInAMillion]

I'm not going to bother defending myself because there is no substance to my wagon.

[TwoInAMillion]

Could be this, could be that. Odds still are he's scum.

[TwoInAMillion]

I went back to highlight my lynch all liars policy on Quick and found this

Quick didn’t replace out because he’s scum, he replaced out because he’s scum on my blacklist, and I read him as scummy.

Quick said he wasn’t aware when he replaced in, yet in the neighborhood he brought up trying to policy before I even started posting. He then made a case on me.

He left after I started pushing back.

Replacement is NAI, but the stuff said around it is scummy to me

So Quick has asked to replace out because he didn’t know that FL was here when he came in. Now that I can believe - I’ve replaced in just because I was bored and wanted to play, rather than cherry picking a slot

So for FL to post the above means Quick might have just joined and _then_ realised he was in a game with FL

Now he isn’t posting so I’m assuming that is what was meant

So I don’t think I have enough for lynch all liars, it could just be that after realising who was in the game, he then had an issue.

UNVOTE:

Firebringer was on this wagon and just said policy, what policy please?

Also be interested to see how TIAM reads all that

The problem with this though (and I'm not sure how you missed this) is that Quick tried to force a PL on Leaf in the hood thread

hours

before he said he wanted to replace out. Which makes it really hard to believe that he wouldn't have replaced out already, considering the fact that he basically knew Leaf was in the game

from the moment he arrived

. It's not like he missed the fact that Leaf was in the game when he started posting in the game thread. He had to have known. Which is why his response doesn't make any sense.

I feel like Quick tried to push some policy on FL to resolve the 1v1 and because it failed he stepped out the game as he is probably going to say the 1v1 will drag on and hurt the game.

The latter is towny but randomly policying is not I guess

What policy was Quick even trying to push? Lynch a fake claim?

I also don’t like that TIAM isn’t posting alon the lines of what you just said so I’m kinda stuck between 2 wagons rn

You don't like that I have my own opinions?

[TwoInAMillion]

I also don’t like that TIAM isn’t posting alon the lines of what you just said so I’m kinda stuck between 2 wagons rn

That might just be because I'm a tryhard lol.

What policy was Quick even trying to push? Lynch a fake claim?

As for the policy lynch, his reasoning was because Leaf has "a horrible playstyle." Which is both AtP and shit reason for a PL, so

You don't like that I have my own opinions?

Wow. This coming from TIAM this game? Really?

Profii literally just said that he doesn't like that I'm not posting like another player.

[TwoInAMillion]

I also don’t like that TIAM isn’t posting alon the lines of what you just said so I’m kinda stuck between 2 wagons rn

That might just be because I'm a tryhard lol.

What policy was Quick even trying to push? Lynch a fake claim?

As for the policy lynch, his reasoning was because Leaf has "a horrible playstyle." Which is both AtP and shit reason for a PL, so

You don't like that I have my own opinions?

Wow. This coming from TIAM this game? Really?

Profii literally just said that he doesn't like that I'm not posting like another player.

im saying for someone who wants the lynch you are not as forthcoming as one might expect

I'm plenty forthcoming. Not sure what more you expect.

[TwoInAMillion]

I'm plenty forthcoming. Not sure what more you expect.

#WorldsBiggestLie

You're just OMGUSing me because I'm not townreading you.

[TwoInAMillion]

Quantity does not equal quality. Nothing wrong with short posts.

[TwoInAMillion]

Actually, I don't care if people vote me, it just makes them scummier.

[TwoInAMillion]

Mulch looks town to me.

VOTE: Beef

[TwoInAMillion]

Well if he's going to try and act like a town leader that doesn't bode well for town. I don't believe in shaming people and he could still be scum and trying to lynch town on purpose.

[TwoInAMillion]

I'm not sure that being mean or nice equates to being town or scum.

[TwoInAMillion]

I'm not sure that being mean or nice equates to being town or scum.

It's just cheeky flavor

I know I was joking. Just don't have much new to say.

[TwoInAMillion]

The only people that are wanting to lynch me are scum. I'm pretty sure I won't be lynched. Wanting to vote someone based on time remaining is AtE.

[TwoInAMillion]

Pretty much anyone that has anything intelligent to say is saying I am town.

[TwoInAMillion]

Because there's no logic to my votes and there are plenty of players that don't want me to be lynched. There's plenty of good options based on actual reasoning.

[TwoInAMillion]

If votes are tied it is a no lynch, which is obviously not a good option.

[TwoInAMillion]

The only people that are wanting to lynch me are scum. I'm pretty sure I won't be lynched. Wanting to vote someone based on time remaining is AtE.

Alright then.

Pretty much anyone that has anything intelligent to say is saying I am town.

This is a horrible post though. He's discrediting anyone who thinks he is scum as unintelligent. I feel like this is a scum type of post.

Well, if you can provide a good case against me then I will be proven wrong, but there isn't one.

[TwoInAMillion]

Hmmm, those are unusual rules.

[TwoInAMillion]

Hmmm, those are unusual rules.

those are the normal rules for plurality

Not in my experience, but whatever. Back to the point, most of the votes on me are from people in the first day or two in the game that are too lazy to change their vote.

[TwoInAMillion]

Fine. Still think Beef is the better vote but it is getting close to night.

VOTE: Quick slot

[TwoInAMillion]

I just read through the rest of the VC ISOs. And guess what?

Not A SINGLE PERSON has gotten onto the TIAM wagon and remained on it without moving their vote up to this point.

#BlatantLies
#LynchThis

That's because it's a bad wagon.

[TwoInAMillion]

People are going to need to start choosing sides at some point. It's like voting for Jill Stien instead of Clinton or Trump.

[TwoInAMillion]

Yes I am definatley lynchbait, I make myself lynchbait on purpose on day one to bring out the scum, and the scum always oblidge that's how it works historically.

[TwoInAMillion]

Hey TIAM, why don't you actually come out and say I'm scum instead of shading the hell out of me in an attempt to get other people to scumread me without actually giving a real read?

I've already done that. No need to repeat myself.

[TwoInAMillion]

I'm sorry how did I "lie" except for the lynch rules? Thats not a lie I did not know.

[TwoInAMillion]

I'm sorry how did I "lie" except for the lynch rules? Thats not a lie I did not know.

So your telling you made an outrageous, complete!y unfounded claim about your wagon and didn't even bother to check it up, despite the fact that you were literally AtPing 6 people at once with the claim?

Bullshit. You're flailing like the scum you are.

You're being rediculous. When I said everyone on my wagon was scum I wasn't being literal. But I do tend to get scum votes on me on day 1 though.

[TwoInAMillion]

I think FL, Mulch or me are valid protections, tbh.

[TwoInAMillion]

Town is in a good position I think.

[TwoInAMillion]

I have no issue with lynching Egg tomorrow and Inferno day 3 btw unless something better comes up.

[TwoInAMillion]

Never lynch Gamma/Two I highly doubt here are multiple scum in this neighborhood unless it’s multiball.

I think multiple scum neighbors is more likely than no scum neighbors.

[TwoInAMillion]

I'm not as sure about Gamma and Inferno as you are but maybe you have more meta on them.

[TwoInAMillion]

VOTE: Inferno

Not saying RedFlavor isn't scum though.

[TwoInAMillion]

Pine is just being an ass for some reason. I was one of the leading lynchers on the scum wagon yesterday.

[TwoInAMillion]

Pine is just being an ass for some reason. I was one of the leading lynchers on the scum wagon yesterday.

Don’t worry people aren’t going to scumread you on my watch. I’ll protext You to the death

[TwoInAMillion]

Pine is just being an ass for some reason. I was one of the leading lynchers on the scum wagon yesterday.

It's called bussing. I'm pretty sure you're Town, but I don't fully trust you.

That's called playing the game, not being an ass. I'm not saying anything personal against you. Kindly stop being an oversensitive twat. (See the difference? That was personal.)

I'm not being oversensitive. I just prefer not to be called a dumbass or a twat because you don't like my vote and then to relegate me when everyone else pretty much thinks I'm town. You could just admit that you're wrong and you're being a jackass.

[TwoInAMillion]

Beef is def on my list. And I'm not talking about his kiss.

[TwoInAMillion]

So we are looking two vig's or a vig/sk?

[TwoInAMillion]

VOTE: Beefster

[TwoInAMillion]

So you are fake claiming mulch?

[TwoInAMillion]

Mulch I would prefer if you hard claimed.

[TwoInAMillion]

Then I am not precluding you as a SK.

[TwoInAMillion]

Then I am not precluding you as a SK.

That's fair, and entirely within your power.

FWIW, there's absolutely no way I soft like this, or claim unprovoked, as a SK. There's zero advantage in it, as it practically guarantees I don't go to LYLO. I'm fine with that.

I am saying Pine may be Vig and Mulch may be SK. He has been buddying Flavor and Me pretty hard.

[TwoInAMillion]

Then I am not precluding you as a SK.

That's fair, and entirely within your power.

FWIW, there's absolutely no way I soft like this, or claim unprovoked, as a SK. There's zero advantage in it, as it practically guarantees I don't go to LYLO. I'm fine with that.

I am saying Pine may be Vig and Mulch may be SK. He has been buddying Flavor and Me pretty hard.

Plausible? We would have to have both targeted Nos last night, the odds of which are small.

Or he didn't use his NA?

[TwoInAMillion]

If we get another scum today or tonight I think Mulch is town.

[TwoInAMillion]

Inferno and Beef are almost lock scum at this point to me.

[TwoInAMillion]

Let's lynch Beef and get this over with.

[TwoInAMillion]

Just because I don't write 10000 word posts doesn't mean I'm not helpful. I've already lynched one scum so that is a blatant lie.

[TwoInAMillion]

Just because I don't write 10000 word posts doesn't mean I'm not helpful. I've already lynched one scum so that is a blatant lie.

According to me experience with the game, you did not lead that wagon. So that means zip in terms of this game.

So only the leader of the wagon is helpful to town? I've also been instrumental in building the townblock.

I really don't feel like I need to justify myself to you.

[TwoInAMillion]

If it was anyone else I’d be concerned about this persistent credit grabbing

I'm not credit grabbing. I was unjustifiably attacked. What should I do?

[TwoInAMillion]

I prefer beef to redflavor but I would do either one today.

[TwoInAMillion]

VOTE: RedFlavor

[TwoInAMillion]

TwoInaMillion
Mulch
Pine
Theta Alpine
Gamma Emerald
Inferno390
Ausuka

Firebringer
Archwing
Flubbernuggett
Egg
northsiegal

texcat
nictiis
proffi
Redflavor
Beefster

[TwoInAMillion]

VOTE: Profii

On one hand, I feel manipulated somewhat, but on the other, my gut says this is the right play.
Seriously re-examining the wagon depending on the flip.

Also, TIAM is not off the hook.

I think FL's death and FL backing me puts me in a pretty good spot.

[TwoInAMillion]

VOTE: profii

[TwoInAMillion]

I believe that is a lynch.

[TwoInAMillion]

Theta is not null imho.

[TwoInAMillion]

Glad you think you're opinion is so much more popular than mine.

[TwoInAMillion]

I think we're in pretty good shape.

VOTE: RedFlavor

[TwoInAMillion]

Good point.

VOTE: Texcat

That means either Pine didn't use his shot or mafia didn't use their kill, right?

[TwoInAMillion]

Good point.

VOTE: Texcat

That means either Pine didn't use his shot or mafia didn't use their kill, right?

I shot Beef.

Also, I still have a shot. I was downplaying how many shots I had to avoid being the kill.

So if texcat died from hiding and you killed Beef that means mafia didn't kill.

[TwoInAMillion]

I mean egg, not texcat obviously.

[TwoInAMillion]

Or texcat is town.

[TwoInAMillion]

If mafia shot egg, and egg hid behind texcat, then texcat could still be town. Mafia could have picked up the breadcrumb.

[TwoInAMillion]

Yeah you're probably right:). Just playing devils advocate.

[TwoInAMillion]

I don't think it really matters if we have a quick day tbh.

[TwoInAMillion]

Wouldn't it have made more sense to shoot Pine and not Fire?

[TwoInAMillion]

Or maybe they tried to shoot the original townblock of FL me and mulch and got doctored.

[TwoInAMillion]

I guess Fire or me or Mulch was probably doctored then, either that or there is a roleblocker.

[TwoInAMillion]

Between the hiders, cops and neighbors it does seem rather easy to confirm town in this setup.

[TwoInAMillion]

Do you really think that if I was scum Flavor Leaf would have been shot?

[TwoInAMillion]

Also I was on both scum lynches. I am as close to confirmed town without being confirmed as you can get.

[TwoInAMillion]

If Pine is a SK we can leash him.

[TwoInAMillion]

Smells like a SK

VOTE: Pine

[TwoInAMillion]

Texcat is probably already lynched but just in case he's not.

[TwoInAMillion]

Yeah I get called that a lot and then usually end up being right.

[TwoInAMillion]

This could be quickly resolved by you agreeing to being leashed like any suspected SK should be willing to do.

[TwoInAMillion]

This could be quickly resolved by you agreeing to being leashed like any suspected SK should be willing to do.

That's actually never a good idea. Town should never agree to have their actions dictated to. It's an abdication of their agency, particularly as the only person I know 100% is Town is me.

"Leashing" is a ploy we tell SKs to trick them into being useful. Real vigilantes should never agree to it.

You're not a real vigilante though. You're not coming from a town mindset anymore.

[TwoInAMillion]

Most likely RedFlavor is scum and Pine is SK.

[TwoInAMillion]

Also I was on both scum lynches. I am as close to confirmed town without being confirmed as you can get.

This means nothing because you sheeped both those wagons. Which is totally NAI.

This makes no sense.

[TwoInAMillion]

Like, my question is, if there are 3 killing roles, why did we only get 2 kills N1? And by all of the logic playing out right now, why was there only 1 kill N2? Because if we're going on Egg died because text!scum, and Beef died to pine, where did the scum NK go, and what about the SK?

Because beef died from the scum and Pine is out of SK kills.

[TwoInAMillion]

He was town though, and scum knows that. Scum do lots of things for WIFOM.

[TwoInAMillion]

It's possible I just think it's more likely Pine is a SK based on game balance than Beef's death supposedly clearing Pine.

[TwoInAMillion]

I am more confirmed town than Pine is confirmed vig. So Inferno needs to stop whining. If I am wrong I'll be the first to admit it but I am pretty sure we can't have 3 town neighbors, a hider, a cop, and a vig, all in the same game.

[TwoInAMillion]

Well, at least I was right about a serial killer. Fake Claim SK was more likely than Vig/SK, so my thoughts that it was Pine was purely game setup related, nothing personal. I shall keep the Vig/SK possibility open for future games though. There were a lot of power roles this game.

[TwoInAMillion]

My replace out had nothing to do with my alignment

Regardless, lynching day one replaceouts is a valid strategy, and figuring out the motives of each individual player is problematic and difficult.