Large Normal 211: Scientific Mafia

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VOTE: uc voy
never played with you before

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VOTE: uc voy
never played with you before

Which is obviously suspicious, amirite?

incredibly

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hey all

VOTE: beefster

you are at least supposed to have a reason in rvs
at least i think so

why would it be random voting then?

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hey all

VOTE: beefster

you are at least supposed to have a reason in rvs
at least i think so

why would it be random voting then?

I played with Thor recently and he said RVS is really Low information voting stage rather than purely random

So his idea was no one is “truly” random, as in roll the dice and vote where it lands - most people pick some kind of bizarre reason to put whatever vote they choose

So in line with that principle, if gamma doesn’t want to play for an IRL day, let’s find out what he’s up to

First post
VOTE: Egg

so did ^ this vote have a reason then?

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I played with Thor recently and he said RVS is really Low information voting stage rather than purely random

So his idea was no one is “truly” random, as in roll the dice and vote where it lands - most people pick some kind of bizarre reason to put whatever vote they choose

First post
VOTE: Egg

so did ^ this vote have a reason then?

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huh, I thought I hit preview, not submit.

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So... Why shouldn't I think you're mafia here?

ascetic miller seems a bit overkill for a fakeclaim doesn't it? Especially one that's not in response to anything in particular.

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I completely failed to respond to that post. Ascetic Miller isn't overkill for a fakeclaim, it's just wrong. "You can't visit me but if you could I would come up as scum," doesn't make sense.

Just because it's redundant doesn't make it wrong. Mods make shit like that all the time just to make a role hard to claim outright. He also hasn't fully expanded on the nature of his role. It could be an X-shot ascetic miller. Or ascetic comes with some heavy asterisks. Or he's just paraphrasing his role name. There's a lot of possibilities.

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Boon Flavor is the right place to be. Choo choo!

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tell me something i dont know

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Focusing night actions on the neighborhood might be a good approach if we're reasonably certain there is scum there.

This feels self-serving despite its apparent logic.

Catching scum is self serving?

Directing night actions away from oneself is selfserving.

Well, I know I'm town so why would I want people to night action me?

TIAM is probably town

Thanks for the love, LUV.

TIAM is probably town

y tho

Hard for me to put into words.

The level of ignorance he just displayed doesn’t feel fabricated. It reads like he’s generally annoyed with your comment and believes he can call you out on it.

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its 2018 and people still fall for daykill gambits on page 7 omg

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if you two could have an argument and actually make statements supporting your conclusions that would be nice and helpful and alignment indicative

you're a riot

how do you feel about the fact that neither party wants to do that.

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Vote TwoInAMillion

why

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No way are there fewer than 5 scum. Math better.

there can be 4 scum if there's an sk

anti-town can be less than a 3rd of the town

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Also I am legit claiming right now.

I am a cop.

I will investigate one of luv, nsg or flavor tonight

fire is suicide bomber confirmed

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thats a joke

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If this was true what's the pro town reason to say it in thread?

Just to entertain this though, had it been true, the response to a suicide bomber is almost exactly the same as a cop, so it doesn't really matter if I said it.

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it was pretty funny

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No enthusiasm. No desire or interest in anything unless its to correct someone.

you got that right

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what would we call it?

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waiting for egg to get back is killing me

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Nosferatu, read my post. I don't like his focus on Boon and nothing else. The vote itself felt opportunistic and fake and all he's done is harp on that.

yeah i can read i knew that
i was asking why you voted him over pine when pine had more votes on him

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I could low-key swear that this is a PR softclaim.

you're supposed to save that for the scum pt fam

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@Egg - yeah, that’s two for you. Annoying, isn’t it?

so a read on two and nictis is all you got outta that gambit earlier?
Where are you on nictis now?

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why is anyone voting nictis?

boon's vote is bullshit

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why is anyone voting nictis?

boon's vote was bullshit

better?

@Egg - yeah, that’s two for you. Annoying, isn’t it?

so a read on two and nictis is all you got outta that gambit earlier?
Where are you on nictis now?

Nah, I got plenty of reads. Probably town.

coolio, was wondering whether it was worth. What kind of player do you think Nictis is?

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I think north side might be scum btw

Yeah I was looking through the lurkers and I'm feeling it too.

i forgot north side was in the game and was mighty confused for a second

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The Frick

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i will only use flavor to refer to either of them for ambiguity's sake

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oh this'll be fun

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But what about me makes you assume that I would reverse anything with a teammate.

This is supposed to say rehearsal

This is a deflection tactic. Highly sus.

Awww
he's trying

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so scum probably do have an encryptor

Or scum are in the neighborhood

But what about me makes you assume that I would reverse anything with a teammate.

This is supposed to say rehearsal

This is a deflection tactic. Highly sus.

Awww
he's trying

Who?
Also this feels like shade throwing

Infernal
With his whole "nice misrep" thing he's got going around. It's fun to watch him work.

Minor shade. Minor.

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you can just blatantly misrep the fuck out of his scum play to match his play in the current game and see if he flips the fuck out.

he tends to be town when that happens.

i also got lynched last time i tried it.

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which i maintain was utter bullshit

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which game was this?

I don't think you need meta to know that town people will generally flip out if you misrep their scum meta to fit a game.

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which game was this?

I don't think you need meta to know that town people will generally flip out if you misrep their scum meta to fit a game.

No I want to know if I have seen the game that happened in

you haven't, it was on his boon account

mini 1757 iirc

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a similar situation also happened in delicious mafia 2, didn't have as much to do with me though

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lmao, I wasn't saying that you haven't read it cause of that, its cause it was years ago

god i was 14 in that game, jesus

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Who and where is peregrinev

Think about it too much and you'll go mad, young one.

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Um.
That's not a hammer. That's not even CLOSE to a hammer. The frick, dude?

VOTE: Beef

what's that vote for lol

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Um.
That's not a hammer. That's not even CLOSE to a hammer. The frick, dude?

VOTE: Beef

what's that vote for lol

Because Beef is imp!ying that he was hammering, when we're not even close to a lynch. Random FOS, followed by a vote on the same slot, whithout any explanation and almost immediately after he gets back from V/LA. It's just really bad play considering what I've seen from him metawise recently.

Also, Gamma's response to this seems way fricking forced, especially the last sentence about how Beef is town. It seems like scum shading scum as town.

Implying that you hammered is scum motivated?

And how is it shading if he just called him town lol

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I feel like it's necessary to say that I've never seen anyone but gamma say plurshift or plurality shift, and I suspect that he's gotten people to use these completely on his own.

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Srsly bro, go ISO Nos for me. 43 posts, zero constructive content. Dat scum.

accurate

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Yeah....actual Town wouldn't know this to be TvT. That's not quite a scumslip, but it's definitely not a Townish thing to say. At all.

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I guess we're just going to pretend that people don't regularly vote lurkers to put pressure on them to play.

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yeah ok

thats why you're voting

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lmfao

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i guess im just gonna

not

vote on the asinine wagon

VOTE: 2iam

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i feel like voting the lurker is a slightly bad reasoning vs voting the lurker for the same reason, and then voting the person who first voted the lurker because he voted the lurker.

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genuinely interested in watching what goes down rn

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effectively

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Concluding anything on page 5 is pretty fucking weak.

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now you're just putting words in someone else's mouth

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I'll back off FL amid public pressure but I still think he's scum ftr.

UNVOTE:

Okay. I don't even care if this is a lolhammer anymore.

VOTE: twoinamillion

Die, scum.

a more interesting note is that this ^ is not on page five.

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oof ya got me

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VOTE: nosferstu

Damnit now why did you have to roll scum

I’ve played with nos many times as both alignments and this is their scum game

They’re way too worried about their appearance; they are more invested and too explanatory. They are tonally in their scum meta

If Mulch is with it I'm with it as well. In a past game I'd locked onto both of them being scum, and I feel like Nos is rather similar to his play that game. This feeling has been simmering in me for a while but I never thought to share it because I wanted to see a bit more.
VOTE: Nosferatu

How's that for VVW

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VOTE: nosferstu

Damnit now why did you have to roll scum

I’ve played with nos many times as both alignments and this is their scum game

They’re way too worried about their appearance; they are more invested and too explanatory. They are tonally in their scum meta

If Mulch is with it I'm with it as well. In a past game I'd locked onto both of them being scum, and I feel like Nos is rather similar to his play that game. This feeling has been simmering in me for a while but I never thought to share it because I wanted to see a bit more.
VOTE: Nosferatu

How's that for VVW

Towny reaction??

not sure what the subject is here

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I was responding to something Quick said while quoting a Gamma post referring to me.

what post did you mean to respond to?

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They’re way too worried about their appearance; they are more invested and too explanatory. They are tonally in their scum meta

Nos is bad, but not for this reason. I think it was Pine who had the right idea. Actually, I think I have agreed with pretty much everything Pine has said this game.

Nos is just Scum for not doing anything and looking busy but actually doing nothing.

im either doing too little or doing too much but either way im scum lmaoo

STOP

You are either tvt

svs

or svt

so stop

that's helpful.

Yeah, I'd rather not.

@MOD, I am replacing out

Didn't know you were in this game when I joined.

rip

Can we stop calling people's reads bad on Day 1 with zero flips?

are you saying reads are NAI on d1?

Flavor Leaf thinks anyone's reasons for voting him are bad. but in this case his vote looks golden.

VOTE: Quick

Let’s all just “quick”lynch the slot so Assemble doesn’t have to replace. Plus, it gets one of the neighbors out.

VOTE: quick
ider who i was voting before

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I'm saying we don't know yet who has good reads and who has bad ones.

yeah i know what you're saying but what do you mean?

should reads even be a talking point d1 in your opinion if they can't be good or bad? should accuracy of reads ever be a talking point? what do you think?

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Nos, you're thinking about this more than I am. Of course we'll all have reads and agree or disagree and that's all fine. I just don't see the point in saying someone has bad reads when we don't have a clue if that's true or not. I remember a game, InuYasha mafia, where everyone thought Titus was scum for having bad reads. Turned out she was the only one who had the scum team pegged. If we get four or five flips and someone has been wrong on every single one, they had bad reads. On Day one, I'm not prepared to call anyone's reads bad even if I disagree with them.

whatever, this is evidently a very surface level thought for you, that's cool

Flavor Leaf thinks anyone's reasons for voting him are bad. but in this case his vote looks golden.

VOTE: Quick

lolwut
I mean Quick said something bordering on scumslip in the hood but why do you think it's a good vote?

You're just laughing at me for the sake of laughing at me.

Replacing out because you don't like someone you are playing with supposedly reiks of scum to me.

obviously you've never been in a game where player beef ruined the game for everyone.

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I've seen a lot of people replace out because they are scum.

the reason quick left is pretty clear cut here buddy.

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It's literally impossible to be opposed to a flubber vote

1) It has resistance, so it's likely scum
2) He's under the radar and not being pushy af so he's likely scum (he's arrogant and wrong as town)
3) EVEN if he's town, we remove a liability

Sheep me

did you already make something like a case/big post on it? I'll read it if you have

Quick said he wasn’t aware when he replaced in, yet in the neighborhood he brought up trying to policy before I even started posting. He then made a case on me.

Can someone else in the hood please confirm/deny this?

I kinda doubt he'd lie when people can come in and verify like that.

I think you'd be surprised about what people lie about. Also, interpretation matters. Thats why I wanted another opinion.

@profii,

quick was allegedly pushing a policy lynch on Flavor Leaf. before he said, in game thread, that he didn't realize Flavor was in this game?

kinda fucky.

and that, ladies and gents, is enough to warrant my first vote of the game.
VOTE: Quick

you say this like its completely impossible for him to have signed up to replace in, not looked at playerlist, confirmed his role pm, checked the neighborhood, see like 40 flavor posts and then go "aw fuck"

y'all really think he was totally aware that a blacklisted player of his was in a game, he chose to then replace into it, made comments on policy lynching said blacklisted player, and then decided "y'know what, fuck it" and left the game...for what? Because he willingly replaced into a game with someone he obviously has a vehement distaste for?

Are you guys on shrooms or something?

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like frfr if you're on this wagon for anything other than scumreading uzi or a policy replacement lynch, you're lying to yourself or scum

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he would have just not confirmed then

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why the fuck would he participated in the game to the extent that he did if it was about his role pm lmao

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I try not to pyschoanalze people.

its more just picking the option that makes sense fam

he would have just not confirmed then

I think he was waiting to see if I’d push him or not.

really? you really think he honest to god knew you were in the game when he replaced in?

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are we happy ending the day here?

its like l-5 right? its not that close.

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the logic doesn't really even work unless he's got evidence of quick doing it

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I think this depends on whether or not flavor is lying about what happened in the hood. I think the hood is 3p so he probably isn't.

when did anyone assume he was lying

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UNVOTE:

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UNVOTE:

lol scumclaim
cbf to cfd now, lets just hammer quick

what?

I hopped on this as a policy, the slot's been replaced.

90% of the other reasons were literally just fucking dumb which I said before.

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and your policy was...?
plus you can say whatever you want but my vote made quick the defacto leading wagon

quick replaced out?

the vote leading by one doesn't make the policy wagon not a policy wagon

After the replacement says something I'll either put my vote back or not, it's not that hard.

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you're telling me you've never been in a game with a policy vote on a slot that replaced out

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I guess Fire also falls under suspicion for that but like a) I wasn't town reading Nos previously so while both looks worse from it Nos is kinda at a critical level wheras it just docks some towniness from Fire and b) Nos' was just a naked unvote, Fire actually did shit

don't be a dumbfuck obviously you weren't paying attention to why I hopped on the vote so you were confused as shit when I hopped off

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You didn't give a fucking reason

Yeah, I'd rather not.

@MOD, I am replacing out

Didn't know you were in this game when I joined.

rip

Can we stop calling people's reads bad on Day 1 with zero flips?

are you saying reads are NAI on d1?

Flavor Leaf thinks anyone's reasons for voting him are bad. but in this case his vote looks golden.

VOTE: Quick

Let’s all just “quick”lynch the slot so Assemble doesn’t have to replace. Plus, it gets one of the neighbors out.

VOTE: quick

I guess Fire also falls under suspicion for that but like a) I wasn't town reading Nos previously so while both looks worse from it Nos is kinda at a critical level wheras it just docks some towniness from Fire and b) Nos' was just a naked unvote, Fire actually did shit

don't be a dumbfuck obviously you weren't paying attention to why I hopped on the vote so you were confused as shit when I hopped off

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yup

its nothing new

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not all policy's are to punish, this is a policy in the sense that its a policy of mine.

my old site had frequent problems finding replacements so it was normal to lynch replace outs.

I had no preference for a lynch so I supported a wagon on the slot that replaced out twice.

not that complex.

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policies

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Right now I don't really need to be sold on quick!scum. I don't believe he replaced out because of wincon things- that mindset makes no sense anyway, because if you replace out, you can't win. The reason I think quick was scum is because when I played with LQ, he had a very distinctive, obvtown way of playing involving lots of self-meta, and it was clear to me and many other people in that game that he was town. He also said his scum game was very bad. Fast forward to this game, and when I ISO him now he's not showing any sign of this behaviour, and a lot of people call him out as scummy, which is consistent with his towngame being obvious town and his scumgame being below average. That's why I would vote quick if it came down to it. However, I don't think I'm anywhere near the time where Quick replaces in on my catchup, so for a good read on him you'll have to wait until then.

pedit: I like both profii and theta for town quite a bit.

M A X I M U M T O W N

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28] Scum teams do not have day talk.

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28] Scum teams do not have day talk.

Scummy
Almost a scumslip

I don’t think town look to check there

VOTE: nosferatu

its almost like this is a tired topic that we've already been over

but you haven't read so how would you know that amirite

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we've discussed this: encryptor is possible

it's also reasonably possible that the moon landing was faked

doesn't make it any less true

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wait...

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Nosferatu (Lightly scum leaning, they're like Firebringer but they don't do anything helpful)

Call me Firebringer Lite™

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One of the people on the vanity wagons are likely scum, so Nosf, Nictis, and profii need to be remembered.

Me and Profil haven't even joined a vanity wagon yet, so we get a special mention

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Ok mordin can die.

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I think two’s town.

wow you're terrible

Stop voting 2inamillion

you're terrible

i mean, yeah, you did. it's not on the wrong side of the "attack the play, not the player" rule but it directly implies that these players are terrible and bad and shouldn't be listened to.

It's not calling them unintelligent though. The instant you tried to say it was equivalent was the moment you lost the argument.

how is it not fam

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are you 12? go back to tunneling town.

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because obviously i meant that he is currently twelve years of age

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