Rocky Horror Picture Show - players suck, game over

[Almost50]

VOTE: Vax

Also,

HURT: Vax

Problem solved

[mutantdevle]

Actually, my vote was a "i don't actually give a fuck" vote. If I was to actually care at this point, I wouldn't be voting for you and I'd be trying to get someone else immunised. But that's effort.

[MathBlade]

Oh and shove it mutant. You’re obvScum with Lift.

Why are you so hostile over me accusing Chickadee?

I mean, we all know the answer, but I'd like you to entertain me.

I am hostile because scum control this game, I can do nothing about it, and when I try I am labeled scum.

Someone

finally

listens and they MUST be scum *rolls eyes*

Your “case” is pathetic.

I just want this “game” over with.

My case proves Chickadee is cult through logic and probability. If you disagree, point out any faults in the logic. I don’t see any. Hence, I conclude she is cult.

There is no case/probability as there is no foundation from which to make such claims.

I will reread your case tonight but when the playerbase doesn’t have any clues/motivation there is no way to say any given action is scummy except from associations and as soon as I post game comes alive saying I am scum?

People just don’t want active neutrals. It’s that simple.

[mutantdevle]

Math, this is a summary of the Chickadee case:

Chickadee shot a claimed PR.
This PR happened to be lovers with another PR that had been recruited.
This means we now have confirmation that PRs CAN be recruited.
A cult discovering this information would want to immediately recruit Chickadee since she was the strongest claimed PR.
If a cult already knew PRs could be recruited, they would have already recruited Chickadee since she was the strongest claimed PR.
We can conclude that Chickadee isn't in the same cult as Boon since she caused Boon to die.

So basically:

- If a cult already knew PRs could be recruited, they would have recruited Chickadee immediately after discovering this.
- The fact that she shot a claimed PR would suggest this is the case.

- If she wasn't culted when she took that shot, the discovery that PRs can definitely be recruited would mean that she would be very valuable to cults due to possessing kills.
- The opposite cult to Boon's would have full confidence that Chickadee isn't already recruited since she caused Boon to die.


Either way you look at it, Chickadee has almost definitely been culted - most likely by the opposite cult to Boon's since they'd have to be absolute morons to not cult her after she made that shot.

[Vaxkiller]

I still havent iso'd you yet mutante, but you are arguing with someone who is def in a cult.

[Cerberus v666]

Math, this is a summary of the Chickadee case:

Chickadee shot a claimed PR.
This PR happened to be lovers with another PR that had been recruited.
This means we now have confirmation that PRs CAN be recruited.
A cult discovering this information would want to immediately recruit Chickadee since she was the strongest claimed PR.
If a cult already knew PRs could be recruited, they would have already recruited Chickadee since she was the strongest claimed PR.
We can conclude that Chickadee isn't in the same cult as Boon since she caused Boon to die.

So basically:

- If a cult already knew PRs could be recruited, they would have recruited Chickadee immediately after discovering this.
- The fact that she shot a claimed PR would suggest this is the case.

- If she wasn't culted when she took that shot, the discovery that PRs can definitely be recruited would mean that she would be very valuable to cults due to possessing kills.
- The opposite cult to Boon's would have full confidence that Chickadee isn't already recruited since she caused Boon to die.


Either way you look at it, Chickadee has almost definitely been culted - most likely by the opposite cult to Boon's since they'd have to be absolute morons to not cult her after she made that shot.

Mutant, why does this matter?

Really?

Who fucking cares?

She culted based on your reasoning. What are you going to do about it? Have you examined the rest of her ISO to determine a likely leader? If you haven't, this is pretty much useless information.

Oh, and I'll share this because I think drealmerz might think I'm playing against my wincon by doing it: I haven't bothered submitting a jailkeep in DAYS.

At first because i didn't want to risk keeping Chickadees vig from going through, and then after that because I failed to see a benefit to it in the game state, with the shitty ruleset we're playing under where I'd never know if my ability actually did anything.

(I think it might be possible that like, I'm a cult leader and just don't know it, and that's why the game is taking so long, because I haven't been using my action that I think is a jailkeep, but is actually a recruit). *shrug*

[Cerberus v666]

Also, this is a thing, but I haven't been recruited, so, cults probably can't recruit non-humanoid things.

Which means Chickadee has probably not been culted.

[Vaxkiller]

You know what would make this game more interesting? A counter telling how many each team has. I think it would increase engagement.

That and lynching.

[Vaxkiller]

Also, this is a thing, but I haven't been recruited, so, cults probably can't recruit non-humanoid things.

This is interesting. I'm assuming your role PM doesn't explicitly say this?

[Cerberus v666]

You know what would make this game more interesting? A counter telling how many each team has. I think it would increase engagement.

That and lynching.

YES! KNOWING SOMETHING WOULD BE AMAZING.

Also, this is a thing, but I haven't been recruited, so, cults probably can't recruit non-humanoid things.

This is interesting. I'm assuming your role PM doesn't explicitly say this?

No, it doesn't explicitly say it. It makes sense though, and fits in with my slot not having been recruited yet, and the Janet slot ending up recruited. As I said on D1, my role is *probably* the most powerful thing a cult v cult team could have on it's side(other than an unlimited vig), so I can't think of any reason other than immunity for not being recruited.

[mutantdevle]

Mutant, why does this matter?

I was just explaining my reasoning for people that were asking...

[Cerberus v666]

Mutant, why does this matter?

I was just explaining my reasoning for people that were asking...

Mkay.

And do you have anything to say about the fact that I haven't been recruited, as a non-humanoid PR, and how that relates to your conclusions?

[Drixx]

Apparently despite all prior attempts failing, someone has complained that I'm not using my ability or something. Someone who has reason to expect I won't think you're a cult give me some targets please.

[Vaxkiller]

What is your ability?

[Cerberus v666]

Apparently despite all prior attempts failing, someone has complained that I'm not using my ability or something. Someone who has reason to expect I won't think you're a cult give me some targets please.

What ability is this? I haven't paid *any* attention to this in awhile.

[Vecna]

im guessing the thing that roleblokcs 3 people or something (even I forgot)

Lets just push through this immunize on Vax. Im starting to suspect that what cerb is saying could be accurate (hence me not being recruited, as a non-human lips type of thing). Maybe cults really just have been trying desperately to try and recruit PR's only to get burned in the effort.

[Lifthrasil]

Im not certain he -was- cult before today, but I find him an excellent target for a cult recruitment today.

So, isnt this a good thing im going to be immunized? Or do I miss-understanding the order of actions in this game.

Yes, actions resolve 'first submitted, first processed'. And unfortunately the LAST vote counts as immunisation action submission. That means, if a cult holds back their conversion attempt until a train is going, they can convert the person about to be immunized, thereby invalidating the immunization. It's a stupid rule, but that's how it is. The only thing they risk by doing so is that the other scum team is quicker and submitted their conversion of the same person a bit earlier.

The only thing going for town is, that cults, once they have submitted a conversion attempt, can't change their conversion target for this play phase. That means, if then another promising train starts, they can't switch targets. Also, they cant switch to Vax if they already submitted some other target before the Vax train started, out of fear of Vecna ending the play phase prematurely (thereby losing their conversion shot). So it is possible that you are going to be converted tonight, even if the train on you finishes, but it's also possible that both scum teams are already locked on someone else. Then you would be safe from conversion for the rest of the game.

[Lifthrasil]

Maybe cults really just have been trying desperately to try and recruit PR's only to get burned in the effort.

It's quite possible that some PRs are immune to conversion, but I find it strange that that isn't stated in the role PM. Mine implied that I could be recruited (by saying that I lose one of my powers if I'm recruited, which wouldn't make sense if recruitment wasn't possible). So perhaps it's the other way round and one is only recruitable if the role PM says so. ... We'll probably only know once the game ends.

[Cerberus v666]

Maybe cults really just have been trying desperately to try and recruit PR's only to get burned in the effort.

It's quite possible that some PRs are immune to conversion, but I find it strange that that isn't stated in the role PM. Mine implied that I could be recruited (by saying that I lose one of my powers if I'm recruited, which wouldn't make sense if recruitment wasn't possible). So perhaps it's the other way round and one is only recruitable if the role PM says so. ... We'll probably only know once the game ends.

My role PM simply tells me that I'm an elevator, and I can jailkeep people.

Nothing else.

Not even a win con.

(which is why I was suggesting maybe I'M actually a cult leader!)

[Lifthrasil]

Apparently despite all prior attempts failing, someone has complained that I'm not using my ability or something. Someone who has reason to expect I won't think you're a cult give me some targets please.

So far no town-aligned investigative PR has stepped forward with any information. So probably none exist. I'm not going to use my active power ever, since I don't see any point in using it. So you are welcome to block me all you want, but it would be a waste of your power. And you probably can't block Vecna, since regular powers only are processed at 'Pause' - i.e. after the Time Warp is already processed. The claimed killing PR (Chickadee) is in cult hands and according to herself out of kill-shots by now but can roleblock too. So you might block her, just to be on the safe side. Or, since we don't know what we are doing anyhow, you might as well exhaust all your shots in one Pause and block everyone. Then you at least have a chance of blocking one or both CLs and preventing a conversion, I guess.

So, this would be my advice: either block Chick or block everyone.

[Cerberus v666]

Apparently despite all prior attempts failing, someone has complained that I'm not using my ability or something. Someone who has reason to expect I won't think you're a cult give me some targets please.

So far no town-aligned investigative PR has stepped forward with any information. So probably none exist. I'm not going to use my active power ever, since I don't see any point in using it. So you are welcome to block me all you want, but it would be a waste of your power. And you probably can't block Vecna, since regular powers only are processed at 'Pause' - i.e. after the Time Warp is already processed. The claimed killing PR (Chickadee) is in cult hands and according to herself out of kill-shots by now but can roleblock too. So you might block her, just to be on the safe side. Or, since we don't know what we are doing anyhow, you might as well exhaust all your shots in one Pause and block everyone. Then you at least have a chance of blocking one or both CLs and preventing a conversion, I guess.

So, this would be my advice: either block Chick or block everyone.

Maybe you should address what I said earlier about how unlikely it is that Chickadee is actually culted, given that she's a pack of dogs.

[Lifthrasil]

My role PM simply tells me that I'm an elevator, and I can jailkeep people.

Nothing else.

Not even a win con.

(which is why I was suggesting maybe I'M actually a cult leader!)

I guess if you were a CL, your PM would tell you that you can convert people. Also, from the flavour of the movie, I would expect the opposing CLs to be Frank and Riff-Raff. Or Frank and Dr. von Scott.

[Lifthrasil]

Maybe you should address what I said earlier about how unlikely it is that Chickadee is actually culted, given that she's a pack of dogs.

A pack of dogs can be trained, so I don't buy her claim not to be recruitable. And her shooting Porkens seemed very scummy to me.

[Cerberus v666]

Maybe you should address what I said earlier about how unlikely it is that Chickadee is actually culted, given that she's a pack of dogs.

A pack of dogs can be trained, so I don't buy her claim not to be recruitable. And her shooting Porkens seemed very scummy to me.

...

You're missing the point.

I'm an unlimited jailkeeper, the sort that prevents ALL actions from being done to or by my target.

I can be used to 1) keep members of their cult alive, 2) stop recruit attempts by targeting likely recruits, and 3) stop ALL recruit attempts by repeatedly targeting the other cult leader.

Why wouldn't I be recruited by either cult if it were possible?

If it's not possible to recruit me, why would it be possible to recruit her?

[Lifthrasil]

If it's not possible to recruit me, why would it be possible to recruit her?

Two questions:
1. Does your PM say that you are immune to recruitment?
2. Do you see any difference between an elevator and a (pack of) dog(s)?

If the answer to the second question is no, please do me the favour and try to enter a dog to ride it to another floor the next time you see one.