Micro 794: Miss List II (Game Over)

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Ego

Happy to get that town pm and kinda wanna get a chance at some point to shoot but I guess we should try to lynch mafia. Setup hottake is that the setup rewards bussing so it's not even really mafia, exactly, to me

Anyways will read thread in the next day and offer some alignment thoughts

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First page love mathdino for the instant suspicion of awkward bussing. Primarily because when I read the setup it was my first thought too.

I think there is some level of bussing in those very first intro posts but want to digest it more.

Hated the chickadee intro particularly for saying “not liking bujabr for defending nm out of the gate”...based on the thread feels there of mathdino going hard on nm manga tandem (and saying she likes mathdino) it feels like scum resigning to nm flipping and wanting to attach bujabr to it. To contrast to my mathdino read- no fear of bussing and just trying to make an associative on page 1. Feels bad

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No votes, you two?

Vote: Chickadee

I’ll only be phone posting til evening when I have computer access so don’t expect walls til then.

Do you typically wall post within the first page or two of the game?

Cultofathena- I find this a bit dissonant. Presumably, you don’t like or at least did not have an expectation to see a lack of votes by manga and implosion. Yet you vote chickadee, which must of course be random, right?

Then you ask magna if he typically wall posts (disagree with the characterization btw) first page which again leads me to believe you’re not a fan of it. If that’s not the case, why did you ask?

And if your expectations weren’t met / you disliked two things about magnas opener, why vote chickadee and not magna?

Tyia for your answers.

Also, dino, why did you like cult ooc? (I have minor worry I need to reacclimate to MS culture and I’m reading the game upside down)

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Ok

Spoiler:

despite being a little skeptical of cult with early read list, I liked the top of page 2 posting and for disliking same chickadee post. But I still would like answers to my questions posed above to help understand thought process and have a better read.

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I'm not currently entertaining the idea of a NM lynch. A lynch on him would purely be policy, and it's too early in the day for me to consider a policy lynch a possibility. Surely we can come up with something better, based in logic and actions. I'd rather have a mislynch for good reasons than a policy lynch.


And all I ever said was I didn't like Bu's defense. I didn't lay down a vote, or declare him scum. I just don't like that he's defending someone on page 1.

Dislike whole post but really dislike the perspective and tone in the latter pargraph. Reads as “get off my back I didn’t actually call that townie scum or vote them” and think if chickadee is scum it spews buj town harder than it would color my read on Athena.

VOTE: chickadee

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Why did you spoiler that?

Sup

Spoiler:

In hopes cult will answer the first post before reading that post

Hope to see some sick HarryPotterMash-like unexplained soulreads

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VOTE: Not_Mafia
VOTE: Not_MafiaVOTE: Not_Mafia
VOTE: Not_Mafia
VOTE: Not_MafiaVOTE: Not_Mafia
VOTE: Not_Mafia

Edit: chickadee is lynchbait, i don't see how any of this is alignment indicative for her so far

For posterity since I’m not taking notes anywhere...in case mathdino is scum I think this makes cult never scum. Reciprocal applies of course

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Math, walk me through *exactly* the logic for why post 4 means that Not_Mafia scum -> Magna scum.

Because it's logically equivalent to say that that post means that Magna town -> Not_Mafia town, and if Magna is town then that post shouldn't imply anything about N_M's alignment.

I disagree with the logical equivalency written here but don’t feel it’s nefarious

One town meaning another person is town does not exist in associatives. Only scum/scum or never scum/scum have logical bases. That mathdino backed down from it felt either scared or just self-conscious. Going to stick wth my holistic read and think it’s more being self conscious...he comes back around to the suspicion of bussing being real and that is the one thought that I can understand the logical basis for

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God I love magna in 52. Not sure I’m fully on board with the mathdino take but I love his mindset. Would be very impressive post for scum so good post either way.

I may read a bit and then reread to make comments later Bc I don’t want to choke the thread with post after post

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OH I FIGURED OUR WHAT I'M SEEING

The thing magna is accusing me of is literally the exact same thing I have been accusing him of

A hamfisted attempt to bus Not_Mafia

Scum would be aware of that i think

So yes, regrettably magna is town

“Regrettably” rings wrong to the ear here. Officially more suspect of math than magna

But my gut feels right on chickadee despite the thin volume that the read is based on. So I’m left wondering if math would soft defend chickadee like so if scum and I tend to doubt it but by no means strong thought

But of course it could be something as simple as notmafia/chickadee/creature/x player who has made a post I’ve found towny

Ok actually pausing from posting

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VOTE: Heath

I think it's Creature and Heath, Creature will reveal himself before long anyway

Holy cow this has to be mafia. And am inclined to think it means creature is too.

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Cult continuing to post well with 77. Agree with getting strong reads early is an unexpected upside of knowing the game is 50/50

Sorry putting phone down

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Bottom of p4 and I had the thought one scum could bus the shit out of all other 3 with hopes of not getting shot in the f3 mislynch and I go right back to my thought of "this game isn't real mafia" and I'm sad again

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Not mafia- as mafia, have you ever tried to dumbtell/derpclear yourself?

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Probably, but nothing comes to mind immediately

Meh
Your "lol I forgot this was 5-4" is leveling me

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VOTE: Heath

I think it's Creature and Heath, Creature will reveal himself before long anyway

Holy cow this has to be mafia. And am inclined to think it means creature is too.

Nope

So explain why heath the noposter was, in your mind, the best vote there, please.

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PoE

Can you give some reasoning as to why you think
Manga
Cult
Mathdino
Implosion
Bujbar

Are all town? (When obviously this cannot be true fypov but it's where you're at rn apparently)

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I skimmed to present but still didn't read pages 5-8ish so I want to do that before going into anything

MoI towny in everything I see and entertaining posts to boot. Math almost sorts not really push on me that I saw quoted was ugly and felt scummy but then in later posts felt towny for tone / emotion.

In that world where moi and math are both town and I think cult is town..I just have to find 1 more. That honestly feels too easy and I want to read all of math to feel less shaky on that read

I'll check which are the replace-in games for you math, but you better show your work for, at the very least, my enjoyment

Holy pedit: I relate to implosion post so hard regardless of his alignment. And that 20% rand to lose goes up each day you lynch scum btw!

I'm also down for whatever plan turns out to be best but I want to give those some thought too. Feels slightly yucky but also engrained into game. Imo scum should be allowed to block a sacrifice every night rather than one time but maybe I'm overlooking something bad about that

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Look forward to catching up but wife is bitching to get off phone. Glgl

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chickadee flipping town was a surprise but creature flipping was not

based on the few posts I've seen this page it feels like we are already laying out a mech roadmap for the game, so I'll once again opine that this isn't mafia and just see what the roadmap looks like and if I have any input or desired changes

look forward to running through the thread start to finish with the knowledge of the flips to see if anything feels clearer

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Panther who's the scum in me, cult and Not_Mafia

That's legit all we need to discuss at this point

I’d say notmafia

But to me
Panther
Magna
Cult
Mathdino

Bubj
Implosion
Notmafia

Feels like to simple to be the actual answer. But it’s where I’m at

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Mathdino who are you on MU?

Also- did you read magnas plan and can you poke any holes in it in the world where I'm town (As in- don't say "ya..if you're scum, then 'XYZ'. pretend to know I'm town and think/answer)

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Magna, its surprising to me that your read on me is strong enough to bet the game on. Can you tell me what, specifically, got you to me being your most confident town?

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Also if nobody explains it, I'll go find it

But

I haven't read all of the thread yet so if one of you could recap why bujb is confirmed scum that'd be nice

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Also if nobody explains it, I'll go find it

But

I haven't read all of the thread yet so if one of you could recap why bujb is confirmed scum that'd be nice

Chicka shot Creature on a list of Me / Impl / Creature / Buj

She was only supposed to shoot Creature if all four were on the 5 person Miss List. So unless Chicka went rogue (which I have no reason to think she would) at least 3 of the four on the list have to be scum for her to shoot Creature.

Truth be told he's only Conf Scum from my point of view. So you do need to exercise your judgement. But I know for certain he's scum based on the Creature shot and knowing I'm Town so when I get lynched and go to shoot I know he's showing up with two other players on my Miss List.

How were those 4 names selected? Who made that plan? And what we she to do if that result wasn't the case?

I'll definitely read it now but it is helping me read the game to have you talk about it

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What I need to figure out or have someone offer up

How can scum!magna game or counter his proposed plan of locking the game. You see, he is saying the game is locked if I'm town. I know I'm town but what I'm unsure of is if his plan leads to ambiguous outcomes in the world where he is scum

If there doesn't seem to be a way, cool
If there does, we can talk more

But even in the world where we don't lock, the game will come down to a coinflip that's in towns favor, ya?
Like...getting to f3 there is a 1/3 chance to lynch scum and should that fail there is a 1/2 chance to shoot scum so if I'm not forgetting how that works it's a 2/3 chance we win

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Spicy spicy either I'm getting pocketed or magna is stomping mathdino and mathdino logic to contradict magnas point is to argue to magna that I'm scum when it feels like he's also arguing to me that magna is scum

I mean feels like magna is town or is otherwise truly a beast

Math- show me magnas road to victory if he is scum with bujb and suggesting this plan?

Why is it that you're hardclearing notmafia? Maybe I'm wrong but it feels like you're not at all considering bujb+nm

Pedit I'm posting this then reading that

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Aorn I'm rolling with magna

You can lolme as hard as you'd like if he is mafia, but you've failed to tell me how he wins with this plan if he is mafia (unless bubj is town in which case it seems we can blame someone else)

Mathdino sounds desperate to not go in this direction but the only logic of that is me being scum, which I'm not, so ya

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Holy shit when did banner ads start at top of page

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Busy day w Easter and all but I'll read for who I think is town, magna

I only really see notmafia saying his issue is that I could be scum

Mathdino is taking a completely different line which is to say that your plan isn't superior to lynching buj

So my gut is saying mathdino is scum...and for some other reasons too. But ya hang tight

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You lurky mofos

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omfg

panther you asked me directly, what the problem with the plan is under the assumption that you're town

so i answered under the assumption that you're town

yet you're telling me that i'm taking a completely different line to not_mafia

when you specifically requested that different line
and you're calling me scum for it...?

dude underneath all of this motivation is me being terrified that you're scum and magna is going to singlehandedly lose the game by self-lynching with the entire scumteam

and then shoot

not confscum

not you

but me or not_mafia

who he only originally even fucking thought were scum because he insisted all game that we were the fucking scumteam

lol I'll give you a "fair enough" but that's in answer to one question and I'm talking your approach to this whole day phase so far

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I'm down to do magnas plan but it seems we won't have the votes

Neither of these two seem like they could be convinced

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Le sigh

Nm you tryna sacrifice?

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mathdino are you going to sacrifice?

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well done magna

i played dumb or scum and chose dumb, ignoring my usual burden of proficiency tell

shot panther because his ISO had practically 0 mention of the scumteam, only talked about reads on townies

also the fact that panther was caving to your plan on D3 read very badly on him

couldn't understand how town would've been okay with that one

lolyou

Don't blame me for your bad read
Or for being a pussy

It's a combination of the two. You said your shot was ready and....you shoot me.

gg magna though

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Wow my least ideal lylo

Fucking told you guys I can read him

VOTE: Mathdino

then vote me and i'm taking the fucking shot

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Also the selfvote....craziness

If you waited for me I was going to 100% vote magna bc if he was town I knew he'd shoot you.

So you threw the game good job good effort

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@Magna - did you know that the thread wouldn't ever acquiesce to voting you when you proposed that plan to me? bc if the others did, it would have been game over with buj being outed, no?

just curious where your head was at