[Mini 1987] Snowman's Bad Idea Mafia: Aliens [GG]

[Papa Zito]

Hello friends ilu and will read the things.

[Papa Zito]

Zito

You're currently one of the slots being considered for lynch. Sorry. D:

oh

whyzat

[Papa Zito]

You kids and your lamist.

brass how'd you get from not knowing what day it is to feeling confident in voting Brandi?

[Papa Zito]

Like those posts are literally 8 minutes apart.

Help me Obi Wan Kenobi you're my only hope.

[Papa Zito]

o_O 2 isos in 8 minutes. Jesus that's fast.

What's your role? I haven't had a chance to read anything yet.

[Papa Zito]

So you're sane but not strong.

What's corrupted mean.

[Papa Zito]

Arrite well I'm not a lurker.

so there


I'll check out Brandi sure.

[Papa Zito]

@zito how is the catch up going?

fairly well actually

VOTE: Chickadee

I'm absolutely floored that we're not solving this today.

[Papa Zito]

Claim evaluation:

Spoiler: claim stuff

One of the things I do when I see a claim is evaluate how that slot acted during the game with that claim as a basis. As a 3rd party lyncher, Chickaslot wants to get its target lynched so it can win, pure and simple. This particular variant apparently has a twist.

I think so too.

I'm not told who I'm supposed to lynch but Wheme is the only one that makes sense.

Here she talks about not knowing who her target is. So, we read back and extremely early on, page 1, we see this:

Idk if I should claimthis or not but oh well

I'm a lynchee

Well, mystery solved right? There's really no reason, with her slot's role knowledge, to not believe that this is the target. Wilky's reaction to the claim is to doubt its veracity, and then

VOTE: Eth0s I don't like your reaction to Gamma's vote on you.

... push on someone else?

In fact, what was wilky's conclusion to the lyncher thing?

The whole lyncher town/anti-town discussion is NAI I think, nothing really noteworthy there.

This is a really bizarre reaction for someone who just had their biggest mystery of the game handed to them on a silver platter. Well, surely Chickadee herself went after Whemestar right?

VOTE: Mathdino

oh

In fact, Chickadee doesn't push Wheme really at all until the claim business happens. I was going to talk about how Chickadee was likely lying about not stealing those posts, that's a really super specific thing for Wheme to claim, but she's now admitted to lying about that.

There's absolutely no reason for her to trust her at this point given:

a) she has an investigation on her;
b) we now know the investigation is accurate;
c) she's already lied to us about her role
d) regardless of whether she's lying or not (again), she's definitely not town

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I also think this is weird:

I’d volunteer to be investigated.


Someday I’ll learn how to onvtown. I’ve only ever successfully down it by accident.

Why volunteer if you're a 3rd party lyncher? Surely you'd come up as "not town" of some sort? Doesn't add up.

I think she's just plain caught scum. In fact, I think it's likely she's a PR of some sort. Maybe investigation immune.

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Finally, a bit of setup spec:

You are the

Invasion Leader

.

You are the sole Alien to begin the game. Having been on Earth for some time, you are not likely to live much longer. Before you die, you must alert your team to unveil themselves and begin the hostile takeover. As the leader, tasked with this mission, you will decide how many factions will take on the earthlings, and when they may arrive. Unfortunately, communications from your home planet have not been clear - you are not sure who among the town is an Alien in disguise...

Role Info:

-Via PM, at any time, you may declare an Alien Invasion.
-You may choose 1, 2, or 3 factions to divide your three Alien Spies into.
-You die Day 3, after 7 real-life days, no matter what - at which point, the invasion will occur by default, with a public d3 roll determining the number.

You win when only Aliens remain, or nothing can prevent that from happening.

This role PM basically gives us the setup. There was 1 "Invasion Leader" and 3 "alien spies." That's 4 scum in 13 player setup, somewhat balanced by the Invasion Leader suiciding Day 3. We're to believe that on top of this there are 3rd party roles as well, further diluting the town?

[Papa Zito]

Yes but Zito, I have the chance of becoming town.

Prove it.

[Papa Zito]

@zito, I dont know how to prove it

"No but I'm turning town guys believe me."

You keep saying this like it's self-evident or something. If you can't prove it why in the seven hells should I believe you.

you've already admitted to lying about your role

hello?

And it's not JUST about this one aspect. I've explained how your actions this game don't line up with your role claim. I've explained that I don't think it fits the setup. Hell, look at what I've subbed into - today you're pushing on 2 lurker slots who aren't fighting back. That's scum 101. Good gravy.

[Papa Zito]

Ack if i were certain lyncher didnt end game id push for wheme to be lynched.

what

[Papa Zito]

Ack if i were certain lyncher didnt end game id push for wheme to be lynched.

what

Because i kinda scumread wheme.

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

why

[Papa Zito]

Its something subconscious telling me somethings up. Especially with alot of his comments earlier in the game about his lyncher

ok

ok ok

this is me reminding myself there's a human being behind that username

ok

Walk me through this.

1. Whemestar claims a guilty result on Chickadee
2. Chickadee admits being 3rd party
3. Chickadee lies about Wheme's info, then admits the lie
4. This makes Wheme the likely scum of the pair because _________________ <- explain here plz

[Papa Zito]

Zito please explain how killing me helps town numbers?

Explain how deleting posts and then lying about it helps the town?

[Papa Zito]

I got a roll that let me do the super bad always forbidden thing.

Sounds town to me. 10/10

I don't think you can claim good faith when the only reason you've "come clean" is because you got a guilty on you. If that hadn't happened you'd still be merrily deleting posts.

Here's the answer to your question: Brandi has every possibility of being Town, while you do not. Therefore you're a better lynch. It's p simple. The worst you can ascribe to her is that she hasn't had a strong presence here. You're

at best

third party. You're

at best

a liar when it comes to your role. There's literally zero reason for us to keep you around. None.

[Papa Zito]

Wheme town btw

Excuse me what makes you so sure of this?

ffs

his role is confirmed

what about his role is scumsided?

here's a handy dandy checklist

1)nothing
2)nada
3)zilch

thank you for your time

[Papa Zito]

Is this real life.

Why the fuck are you taking her claim of being "a third party that turns town guys I swear" at face value

WHEN SHE HAS ALREADY ADMITTED TO LYING ABOUT HER ROLE

I

DO

NOT

UNDERSTAND

[Papa Zito]

COULD IT BE


follow me here


COULD IT BE

That she was caught scum

and made up this hokey story

knowing a lynchee was in the game

and then did a push on a pair of lurkers

Hoping she could live just one more night for more fun alien shenanigans

COULD IT BE

: T H I N K I N G :

[Papa Zito]

What fucking universe am I in

[Papa Zito]

Chick I need to know your secrets after the game.

[Papa Zito]

Where's zito when you need him to talk some sense into town

I have no words. This seems like the most obvious thing in a mafia game ever and people are just like ??????????????????????????????????????

[Papa Zito]

It's way more likely that's referring to the alien mechanic.

[Papa Zito]

aka not your turning town story

[Papa Zito]

You have got to be kidding me.

[Papa Zito]

My main win condition is finding and killing someone. If that win condition is unattainable, I become town

I checked in with snarky. He forgot to inform me of the change.

What caused the change, then.

What did Snarky "forget"

[Papa Zito]

Yes gamma I became vanilla because wheme found me.

I become vanilla town if you die and I’m not involved in killing you.

She can't even keep her story straight for 2 posts this is hysterical

[Papa Zito]

But your lynchee literally claimed D1 lol. I'm still willing to lynch wheme cause i still think hes scum

[Papa Zito]

But your lynchee literally claimed D1 lol. I'm still willing to lynch wheme cause i still think hes scum

Whats got you so confused?

You're (correctly) pointing out Chick's nonsense but you want to lynch Wheme, the dude who got us here?

[Papa Zito]

Brandi
Zito
Nero


Kill these when I'm gone.

[Papa Zito]

Why did Chick lie about her role

Better question does this mean you lied about YOUR role?

Good lord man no, Wheme was entirely correct and Chickadee just megadurped.


I'm fine with a massclaim today since this should be lylo. I think Wheme should set the order, I trust him the most here.

[Papa Zito]

Having players claim in least trusted -> most trusted order is a time-honored tradition my good man.

Also, letting the little green men claim last gives them an advantage of knowing the whole setup (and thus safer claims), so having a trusted player set the order is important.


pedit: If we're massclaiming, then yes, you claim

everything

. Your role, your flavor, what you did each night, and any results you got.

[Papa Zito]

I'm confirmed town thank you.

Wait what? How are you confirmed?

[Papa Zito]

tinfoil hats and abductions

[Papa Zito]

I'm confirmed to myself. Also, lack of n1 kill prob means scum shot at me.

Well I'm convinced.

[Papa Zito]

I'm going to do isos once all the claims are on the table. I'll give you a Viomi read then.

[Papa Zito]

Sure.

I'm a Shy PGO. If I'm targeted, there's a 50% chance I kill my visitor, and a 50% chance I run away from them. With the first option, I die if I'm being targeted by a kill. With the second, nothing happens.

[Papa Zito]

Okay so my claim somewhat makes brandis less likely
I am just a vanilla townie

How does your claim have anything to do with hers?

That said, I don't understand why some of our earlier flips didn't "qualify" for her backup.

@Town:

reminder that we're in Lylo, votes aren't necessary at this point.

[Papa Zito]

Also with claims on the table I'm going to do some reading tonight.

[Papa Zito]

Eevee did you start as VT or did you become VT through some mechanic?

[Papa Zito]

Uh.

Was that a hammer?

[Papa Zito]

...

How was I so wrong about Wheme

What the hell was this game

[Papa Zito]

VOTE: Whemestar

For posterity I guess.

This was the worst lylo ever. What in the world were you guys doing

[Papa Zito]

Well clearly Wheme at least.

Since this game is bonkers we should all probably vote him on the off chance we live here.

[Papa Zito]

That was a quickhammer my dude come on.

[Papa Zito]

gg all

[Papa Zito]

but the dead thread

[Papa Zito]

Ok well here's the scum thread. I see 0 reason not to post it.

[Papa Zito]

Eff.

My powers don't extend into that forum either