Turn of Camn ~FIN~

[Ginngie]

mastina town

[Ginngie]

VOTE: mastina

[Ginngie]

VOTE: mastina

Reason enough to lynch mastina

[Ginngie]

VOTE: mastina

Reason enough to lynch mastina

For those not in the know:
Ginngie has 100% success rate of reading mastina

I can 100% claim i have never mislynched mastina

[Ginngie]

I already hate this.

Then lynch her. I'll back you up on it, even.

And then lynch Ginngie after that because Ginngie's 100% scum regardless of mastina's alignment but definitely if mastina were to for some ungodly reason flip town.

Interesting

[Ginngie]

Can you focks vote mastina please

VOTE: bbmolla

Chainsaw

[Ginngie]

Can you focks vote mastina please

Why did you make this post?

When you’re playing dumb to try and make an argument

[Ginngie]

When you make a post just laughing to try and diffuse the situation because you know you fucked up

[Ginngie]

VOTE: mastina

Reason enough to lynch mastina

Realtalk: I legit AM ticked off that I didn't draw scum this game because this was the one game where I was hoping for it. It'd basically be a fucking rematch, plus, right now, I am in no condition to be all gamesolvey town. (Well, mostly. Basically, if I'm not slacking off on something, I would be in no condition to be keeping up in here.)

But since I am, I have to make the most of it. This is, in fact. Taking the game seriously. Reason enough to lynch Ginngie.

Ginngie is doing something this game she absolutely

should not be doing

if she is town, and doing something which is ABSOLUTELY exactly how she would be going about things as scum.

There's a minor caveat, in that she is doing something which she would in fact do as town. So if you think this is soulread levels of confidence, it's not. But she is in fact a quite serious scumread.

You’ve already destroyed all credence you had with the gambit

Also unless you identify what I’m doing then I’m calling you on your shit

Because i know you can still soul read me

[Ginngie]

Can mastina I 1v1

[Ginngie]

VOTE: mastina

Reason enough to lynch mastina

For those not in the know: Ginngie has 100% success rate of reading mastina

I can 100% claim i have never mislynched mastina

You can also 100% claim you have never lynched scumastina in spite of facing her square on once. And in fact, after that encounter, you have gone on record as having stated your confidence in reading me was shaken.

You are still doing the scum thing. There is one difference between your normal scumgame present and a related correlation to your towngame, but I am looking for something stronger, especially addressing the MAIN thing I am seeing, which is still your scumgame compared to your towngame.

What if i told you I’m doing the scum thing on purpose tonfuck with you?

[Ginngie]

mastina stop talking about other people and satiate my ego about you being wrong about me

[Ginngie]

mastina --> Ellibereth -- > whoever townElli tells us to lynch
probably takes out 2 scum
or 1 scum and sets the game on lock

Edit:

does anyone have 100% record of reading chara
because that would actually remove the need to lynch elli if they're town

VOTE: Mathdino

i agree that mathdino wanting to lynch ellibereth day one is terrible

lol i did not see these posts

hey NSG what do you think of always lynching radiantcowbells D1 then

RC death tunnels people because ego and fucks up a lot

Elli is a paragon, not a Don Corleon

[Ginngie]

hot take.

mastina/ginngie/bbmolla are all town.

I miss not having a PT with you

[Ginngie]

I’d personally recruit Elli for scum just so I don’t have to deal with Town him tbh

You could make that argument but i doubt Pine knows Ellis rep

[Ginngie]

Can mastina I 1v1

Most likely?

Yes.

VOTE: Ginngie.

I’m confused

How are you not townreading me while also reading page 5?

[Ginngie]

You’ve already destroyed all credence you had with the gambit

What

gambit?

Also unless you identify what I’m doing then I’m calling you on your shit

Okay for a start.
This is you displaying the thing which you THINK I am looking for. You think I am looking for you to 1: not be buddying me, and 2: for you to sort me early. I can say that, because that is what you expect me to be basing my read on you off of. That is, more or less, what I have shared when explaining my Ginngie reading methodology, and you are in fact doing that.

What you're NOT doing is what

I am actually expecting you to do

. Which is something that you have shown yourself to do in your towngame and which is utterly absent from your scumgame. It is NOT something you know about as far as I am aware, but I'm not sure how to explain it to others without giving it away. It's basically a mindset, an approach, a way of going about things and handling the game. You are playing to my scum book, which is still more or less my scumplay, rather than your town book, which has diverged from mine.

The only thing i know i did was “destroy your credence” line which i got from Nachho when I asked him how to combat you when I’m scum you’re town. He said it doesn’t matter how right you are, once no one cares about your posts, i don’t have to worry

Doing that was me being cheeky and fucking with you

I don’t think you realize how hyper aware i can be

[Ginngie]

Hey Pine, be honest with me

I don't see anyone here that closely resembles my name

So what went wrong?

[Ginngie]

i'm skipping any post longer than like two paragraphs screw y'all

46 - literally no reason for maf to do this but also literally no reason for town to do this. thus i can only conclude mastina is 3rd party
49 -

FoS: BBMolla

50 - mulch is a dark chao, so this confirms them as maf
57 - math is town
69 - no you're maf. we already went over this
72 - dgb town
75 - dgb maf

i'll do the rest in a separate post, y'all need to shut up i'm gamesolving here

your name looks familiar

[Ginngie]

Hey Pine, be honest with me

I don't see anyone here that closely resembles my name

So what went wrong?

What?

like you didn't pick me

and there is no SecretAgentJin

So

[Ginngie]

108 - alright, ginnigie is maf then
133 - okay not even kidding around this is incredibly scum

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Ginnigie

i dunno if there's any point reading the rest of this when we have confscum

Excuse?

[Ginngie]

(Gin we talked about this in the scumthread, you were my first choice.)

okay but besides the WIFOM

lowkey upset

[Ginngie]

If as you claim you are doing the scum thing on purpose then you'll be able to tell me what it is and why you did it.

Otherwise, it'll just be that you didn't know about it. And when I explain it, you'll know exactly why it's right.

This is actually getting spicy

lowkey we both know tho that you won't say anything of actual substance but just theatrically talk about my play

[Ginngie]

mastina I want you to address something actually

[Ginngie]

I want us to first agree on two things

Both conditionals to set up an argument to be made

[Ginngie]

lol playing fortnite brb

[Ginngie]

okay I won my match lmao

I'm a god

[Ginngie]

OMG CAN WE POLICY LYNCH BOTH MASTINA AND GINNGIE IF THEY KEEP TALKING TO PINE

We are both from the original game and fond of Pine

we can talk all we want, it's your choice to bitch about it

[Ginngie]

I want us to first agree on two things
Both conditionals to set up an argument to be made

You have my attention.

Okay

The mods are Alisae, and camn vs Pine picking and stuff

Pine has first pick, and then 5th

They alternate picks right?

that's the first conditional

Do you agree?

[Ginngie]

Ginnigie, when you wolf can people smell your fear?

I'll answer this in a minute

[Ginngie]

Traditionally? Yes. This fear is more or less what Ginngie thinks I am looking for.

I can promise you this never entered my mind

[Ginngie]

Okay

Now with that

in every game what do I do, and then you do?

I say I'm town because you're in the game right?
right.

now get this, it's widely known and easily provable that you can read me highkey well.

that's not the conditional.

The conditional is that Pine picks me, and NOT you.

Pine full well knows how well you can read me, yet he takes that risk?

We know as scum I've tried everything to dodge past you and surpass you but all the methods dont work because I haven't made my scum game my own yet.

So like, with yourself being 'conditionally' town, you also thinking I'm scum is where you have me confused.

[Ginngie]

Okay

Now with that

in every game what do I do, and then you do?

I say I'm town because you're in the game right?
right.

now get this, it's widely known and easily provable that you can read me highkey well.

that's not the conditional.

The conditional is that Pine picks me, and NOT you.

Pine full well knows how well you can read me, yet he takes that risk?

We know as scum I've tried everything to dodge past you and surpass you but all the methods dont work because I haven't made my scum game my own yet.

So like, with yourself being 'conditionally' town, you also thinking I'm scum is where you have me confused.

btw none of this matters to anyone else besides mastina, this is only towards mastina

[Ginngie]

This is a bigger post than I've EVER seen you make as town

Your reads are based on post lengths?

[Ginngie]

This is a bigger post than I've EVER seen you make as town

Your reads are based on post lengths?

What in the fuck

VOTE: Ginnigie

I don't think I've ever seen a more wolfy response

Did I stutter?

[Ginngie]

You said you smelled fear somehow which is completely subjective and not real scumhunting

and then said I was scum because I made a long post

what kind of bullshit wave are you on?

[Ginngie]

Subject: Newbie 1816 (Game Over)

So what does town-Mulch do there then?

He votes me?


Why are you asking weak questions?

Because I think your vote on Mulch is bad and im trying to figure out the chance of you being scum for it or just wrong town. ASP at least had some decent logic... yours is just "got replaced multiple times (which applies to your slot), opportunistic voting (not explained - and I think outright false), and bad case (again not explained)"

He also did vote you at first, and that apparently didn't effect your read so get out of here with that being a reason Mulch is scum. Threatening stuff like that isn't scummy. Its more of a meta note about a play type unless you legitimately are trying to argue that in no situation town-Mulch would ever put themselves at L-1. Town DOES do that at times, so again unless Mulch in particular you are going to argue never would, with some sort of reasoning, not an alignment tell. Its just a "trust player judgment less" tell.

Additionally he raises a good question that you refuse to answer: What if he is town? Its not like that should be a hard question to answer, reads are good.

@Mulch - So lets say if you were able to make Ginngie the largest counter wagon. Would you?

The tell, is when a slot reads PM, flakes, another person replaces, sees PM, flakes. If your heart so desires I can actually go into every time I've used it correctly...

Yooh actually put in some decent work, which is one of the key differences.

Regarding the tell, the only thing that makes me think it's not the best to use it is the newbie queue because apparently replacements run rampant in a game :/

You're blind if you can't find the context of his asp vote, here it is all fine and dandy.

Spoiler:

jaereed was not exactly silent about looking for a reason to vote llama

i dislike more the players that just stay out of the spotlight. it seems convenient at this point

VOTE: asp

VOTE: asp


CFD!!!(

Please show me where he mentioned anything about ASP before that(hint, I already checked)

Then we go to Jae

Spoiler:

VOTE: jae


Sorry man

This is a fun exercise, find where Mulch took any real attempt to sort Jae? (hint, I already checked, only one post and it's really weak :3 )

Also you're saying "bad case" but what case are you talking about, I've pretty much done a series of posts breaking down my thinking. What were the things you took issue with because I have no idea what you're talking about.

"He also voted you at first, and that apparently didn't have any effect on your read"

Spoiler:

I don't think you are so I'm not entertaining it.

I hate that question with a burning passion because it's stupid.

You have it because your scum. As of now, I am having no further contact with you. Enjoy the scum lynch tmrw if I'm lynched.

You're trying to stand on some type of high ground and say you won't engage with me because you know your reasoning is scummy and further discussing it makes you look worse.

Essentially firing pot shots and trying to get out of the fight before people realize you're in the wrong.

Also, when a player has expressed town reads and also a list showing who she doesn't town read, why didn't you ask me why I didn't town read those players?

Instead you went defensive instead of trying to sort me by exploring my reasoning for multiple slots.

Even then when you got defensive, you didn't actually talk about any of the points I brought up, or talk it out.

You chose to use an obscure reason that makes no real sense to OMGUS a player.

Literally nothing you did has been town

A town reaction is a reads dump, just pour info to help town.

Being silent and self lynching is not town

I don't really care if I'm lynched as long as you vote Gin after me *shrug*

Go ahead and hammer

Just make sure to lynch ginigie tmrw

VOTE: Mulch

My scum read is so strong on Gininja that I would die willingly and provoke my own death if it meant him being lynched the next day.

I will not however, ever actually vote him. I first need permission from my number one, no way I think he's town, biggest hard on of a scum read I think I've ever experienced; and then secondly, I need to be coaxed into actually wagoning him by other slots in the game.

-Mulch

"Town does it at times"

No shit, I've done it before.

Here's the thing tho sweetheart, it's about CONTEXT, ya taking what I'm analyzing and putting it in a void makes it null and void, but put it in the context and you get.

Spoiler:

I don't think you are so I'm not entertaining it.

I hate that question with a burning passion because it's stupid.

You have it because your scum. As of now, I am having no further contact with you. Enjoy the scum lynch tmrw if I'm lynched.

You're trying to stand on some type of high ground and say you won't engage with me because you know your reasoning is scummy and further discussing it makes you look worse.

Essentially firing pot shots and trying to get out of the fight before people realize you're in the wrong.

Also, when a player has expressed town reads and also a list showing who she doesn't town read, why didn't you ask me why I didn't town read those players?

Instead you went defensive instead of trying to sort me by exploring my reasoning for multiple slots.

Even then when you got defensive, you didn't actually talk about any of the points I brought up, or talk it out.

You chose to use an obscure reason that makes no real sense to OMGUS a player.

Literally nothing you did has been town

A town reaction is a reads dump, just pour info to help town.

Being silent and self lynching is not town

I don't really care if I'm lynched as long as you vote Gin after me *shrug*

Go ahead and hammer

Just make sure to lynch ginigie tmrw

VOTE: Mulch

My scum read is so strong on Gininja that I would die willingly and provoke my own death if it meant him being lynched the next day.

I will not however, ever actually vote him. I first need permission from my number one, no way I think he's town, biggest hard on of a scum read I think I've ever experienced; and then secondly, I need to be coaxed into actually wagoning him by other slots in the game.

-Mulch

Surprising isn't it?


I have an clear history of never dealing with pre-flips and shunning any reasoning with it.

HOW ABOUT THIS:

I DON'T CARE ABOUT READJUSTING MY READS BASED ON WHAT HE FLIPS BEFORE HE FLIPS

Also, common sense applies here,

Town: SIV, Wheme, ASP, guyy

Who Left: Eclipsed, clockworkgirl, JaeReed, llama, Mulch

If Mulch ends up being town

IS IT SO HARD TO LOOK AT THIS AND GO

Town: SIV, Wheme, ASP, guyy

Who Left:

Eclipsed

, clockworkgirl, JaeReed, llama,

Mulch

"Oh so he would think clockworkgirl, Jae, and Llama as scum candidates."

but no, let's be asinine about simple reading comprehension

A town game that you were in

That was a long fucking post

AND SPOILER ALERT, IT INVOLVED YOU

[Ginngie]

I don't get why you'd say something so asinine when you've seen me post bigger shit than the one this game?

[Ginngie]

mastina

ignore everything

talk to me cuz i know that works.


Did anything Mulch say about his scumread on me make sense.

Also given 298 I have reason to put faith in town you, so hi.

[Ginngie]

Hey guys.

Gin and Mastina are both Town.

Discuss.

I mean once mastina and I stop getting at each other's throats then yes there will be discussing

[Ginngie]

Then Alisae picks me. (And Alisae, unlike camn, was likely to do exactly that.)

You say this

while also insulting Pine's intelligence by thinking he wouldn't know that would happen.

[Ginngie]

Ginnige, you feel off

Your narrow focus with Mastina is weird

You are tonally different

You are arguing things that don't matter

I don't see you scumhunting

I don't see you acting as "idgaf" as you do as town

As town you love snarky comments, I don't see that bite rn as town

That's why I'm scumreading you

It felt weird that you had a big ass post so early

It dosen't seem like the type of player you are as town

You sort of go through, vote people as you feel like it, give reasons only when necesary

Not give paragraphs of perfect reasoning to one person

You feel like you care how you are perceived

That's why I'm scumreading you

This can be all summed up as every time mastina and I get into a game together because I honestly don't care about anyone else until mastina is solved.

mainly as a survival tactic.

Once mastina says I'm town,

I have fire, Elli, and mastina telling everyone I'm town and once that happens, anyone that tries to push me will get shit on

Right now I'm just establishing my town bloc

[Ginngie]

Did anything Mulch say about his scumread on me make sense.

Explicitly so, yes. At least one thing did.

I'll take it

[Ginngie]

Spoiler: For personal use

1. You are tonally different
2. You are arguing things that don't matter
3. I don't see you scumhunting
4. I don't see you acting as "idgaf" as you do as town
5. As town you love snarky comments, I don't see that bite rn as town
6. It felt weird that you had a big ass post so early
7. Not give paragraphs of perfect reasoning to one person
8. You feel like you care how you are perceived

[Ginngie]

also FWIW i agree that there is no way ginngie and mastina are both scum

THEREFORE NEITHER CAN BE EITHER

[Ginngie]

You say this
while also insulting Pine's intelligence by thinking he wouldn't know that would happen.

And what does Pine do? Let Alisae draft the Ginngie-mastina townbloc of destruction which singlehandedly wrecked him last game?

>says this
>somehow forgets their mistakes

Spoiler: >

Subject: Mini 1869- camn's revenge GAME OVER!

Hey.
VOTE: Nachomamma8.
Dead serious here.
I'm entering in a 1v1 with Nacho.

Like. If he flips town POWER lynch me here.

I was informed that role assignment wasn't random this game.
Pine knows me to be a stellar scum player and not quite as strong a town player, yet I wasn't one of his picks for the scumteam.
But unless I massively misunderstood the game's nature: Pine did in fact get a choice in at least ONE scumbuddy, if not all three. (Something about a draft order.)
He didn't select me.

I refuse to believe he allowed both me and Nacho to be town.
So lynch me, lynch Nacho, doesn't matter who you lynch first but Nacho is scum.
Guaranteed.

[Ginngie]

You're making the same faulty logic that Pine wouldn't take that chance

HE FUCKING WOULD BABE DON'T BE NAIVE

AND FOR THE EXACT REASON THAT HE'S DONE IT ONCE

GIVES HIM AMPLE REASON TO DO IT AGAIN BECAUSE IT ADDS A DOUBLE LAYER TO THE WIFOM

BABE

[Ginngie]

joining this game was a mistake

I give it like, the rest of the night and then the mastina-myself arguing will be over and then we beat the game

[Ginngie]

okay i'm just gonna coast then
like, beating the game involves beating you up so i dunno why you're so excited about it but sure i'll let everyone else do all the work

thank you :3

[Ginngie]

I will point out that you were both Town last game, and I won. Gin even got endgamed.

Fuck you.

[Ginngie]

VOTE: MathDino

start forming scumreads

[Ginngie]

camn knew me

[Ginngie]

What IS a slag, even? Now you making up insults.

slag is british for slut

it's a fancy slut

[Ginngie]

Am I gonna be the first to point out what's wrong with the Parama's play

[Ginngie]

Okay the difference you gotta remember is camn is town and has a town mindset and also has a mason

so that's important

[Ginngie]

Am I gonna be the first to point out what's wrong with the Parama's play

you mean the fact that i'm completely apathetic to the outcome of the game already and we're only like 6 hours deep? yeah

Moreso that you're just throwing out reads like nobody's business yet if I were to try and find out why you scumread those people, it gets a lot harder.


In a nutshell, you're calling people scum but there is no foundation towards it.

[Ginngie]

Okay the difference you gotta remember is camn is town and has a town mindset and also has a mason

so that's important

Yeah

Also camn is a good scumhunter

debatable

[Ginngie]

I remember you had a rep of being a N1 kill

[Ginngie]

Anyway, I went through Parama's ISO, most of it is calling literally everyone scum in some shape or form

Also a sassy attitude attached with the posting.

Main thing is that there is no actual reasoning behind it and I'm thinking it's mostly due to trying to act like they're scumhunting by just calling people scum.

[Ginngie]

Anyway, I went through Parama's ISO, most of it is calling literally everyone scum in some shape or form

Also a sassy attitude attached with the posting.

Main thing is that there is no actual reasoning behind it and I'm thinking it's mostly due to trying to act like they're scumhunting by just calling people scum.

Ur just upset he is calling u scum, be honest.

He sucks but he is very likely Town tbh

He actually gives me concern and I haven't been upset playing mafia in awhile

[Ginngie]

108 - if you've never mislynched mastina as town, then you must be scum in this game, by your own logic, as mastina is town
133 - literally no reason to make this post as town, even jokingly, and it only serves to reinforce the bias against mastina & imply she's scum

152 - i'm super arrogant scum and i'm gonna play everything off like a joke because i realized my initial post was a complete screw up and i need to save face

fixed my previous posts

This is literally all pre-flip analysis?

Your argument is based on no real ground?

[Ginngie]

i'll fully admit like all my other scumreads are by association with ginggie because of how screamingly obvious scum they are to me & the delayed omgus'ing isn't helping

Fun fact, I always do this with anyone that scum reads me, I analyze the scum reads on me.

Don't try to paint a damned if I do or don't situation.

If a player wants to analyze your play and has questions about it, just answer the questions.

[Ginngie]

For 108, you're saying I'm scum because I stated I have never mislynched mastina. Fun fact I have never lynched mastina in general lmao

Regardless of that, you're assuming that mastina is 100% going to flip town, and that only scum me would vote mastina and try to mislynch.

Moreso if I was aware of never mislynching mastina as town, I wouldn't try to lynch/push mastina in the first place.

Overall, 108 relies on the fact that mastina is 100% town confirmed when she isn't. Also it means you're assuming that I'm a god at reading mastina. or am I wrong on that part?

For 133, it's literally the definition of a chainsaw vote. A chainsaw is when someone votes someone for pushing someone else. NSG voted BBmolla for pushing mastina. I literally pointed that out. Tell me how that's scum!motivated. You're also scumreading me for saying mastina is scum as well.

Why are you so intent on white knighting mastina?

As for post 152, I literally explained the joke and the cheekiness to mastina. I made it glaringly obvious that what I said was a joke, and then mastina and I moved onto serious discussion because she had other concerns about me.

[Ginngie]

i'll fully admit like all my other scumreads are by association with ginggie because of how screamingly obvious scum they are to me & the delayed omgus'ing isn't helping

Fun fact, I always do this with anyone that scum reads me, I analyze the scum reads on me.

this is a really bad way to play

like seriously being too concerned with who scumreads you when you should be finding the scum instead is bad to do

First year of play I used to get scumread a lot before the playerbase of MS realized my towngame is pretty easy to spot.

Main thing is that i learned to find scum by fake scum reads on me.

You may say it's bad but I used it effectively.

[Ginngie]

Gin why do you tr the people in your townblock I don't see how you tr that many people so early explain it to me!

If I remember the town bloc, it's like

elli, fire, mastina

Fire gives me pause all the time but I haven't found a reason to really push him one way or the other so I'd rather just put him as town and see what happens.
(I town bin a lot of players early on).

Elli is a gut call that I expect him to die early on and if he doesn't, to catch a lot of scum. Elli has a reputation of only getting one scum read wrong ever since his return. So basically he's town and he helps us and dies quickly, or he is forced to hand over the entire scum team or be caught as scum himself.

mastina, a specific post

I don't have the specifics planned out. But I more or less mapped out in my mind...I can't find the words for it, but the beginning of a strategy whereby lynching me helps to expose the scum.

with this thing, I've learned that mastina is dummy precise as scum, she can make everything sound perfect. Reading this post gave me a reflection of 'mastina doesn't fully know what to do,' therefore she is somewhat lost, ergo she isn't scum not having an entire plan formulated from the get go.

Also even if she was scum here, I'm realizing that she knows I can get under her spell easily and she has no need not to easily buddy me/kill me, therefore she has actual concerns about me.

[Ginngie]

Am I gonna be the first to point out what's wrong with the Parama's play

you mean the fact that i'm completely apathetic to the outcome of the game already and we're only like 6 hours deep? yeah

Moreso that you're just throwing out reads like nobody's business yet if I were to try and find out why you scumread those people, it gets a lot harder.


In a nutshell, you're calling people scum but there is no foundation towards it.

Do you think Parama was overtly lying earlier when he said he would be trying harder as scum?

gingivitis doesn't know me so i don't really think it's valid either way

[Ginngie]

mastina is confirmed town imo
chainsaw as a phrase inherently implies the person making the vote is scum & the person they are defending by voting is also scum. on top of that, there's a difference between vote-for-a-vote and vote for what molla did, which is an aggressive call for others to vote, despite having no substantial argument against mastina ("lol scum gambit" is not good enough). it's a scum play and nsg was right to vote him in response for it
white knight is a buzzword and buzzwords are juicy

given the time frame of the game just starting, none of us know who is or isn't town or scum.

Two things, in the beginning of the game, with nothing else, starting a wagon on a player just shouting scum is the best we got.

Now, I'm more inclined to agree with you that a vote would make sense now given that mastina is now providing actual scum hunting content and BB is still rolling the same mantra, but given the game state at the time, I thought it was fair.

Also white knighting is white knighting, it's how I like to call it, doesn't negate the fact that you're literally defending mastina hardcore.

Can you tell me why mastina is so high on your list as a town read?

Given that mastina is the leading wagon, I do think it would be in your best interest to investigate why other people scumread her, and also try to convince them otherwise.

[Ginngie]

gingerbread man what do you think of molla btw. i've already pretty vocally expressed i think he's scum & i'm not alone in that sentiment

and anyways, by your own logic,

Can you focks vote mastina please

VOTE: bbmolla

Chainsaw

Can you focks vote mastina please

Why did you make this post?

When you’re playing dumb to try and make an argument

this is a chainsaw, is it not? why are you so quick to defend molla? this is literally the closest you've come to interacting with him all game

It's not, it was an accusation that I wanted north to address.

You're allowed to question other players, but the vote by north onto mastina was out of the blue.

[Ginngie]

the hypocrisy is the smaller part of the problem i have there

i'm consciously ignoring firebringer because there's literally zero value to explaining d1 scumreads

d1 townreads rtaher LOL

you dont' actually have a valid reason to town read them do you lmfao

[Ginngie]

mastina

------------ 4 ( BBmolla(15), Mathdino(43), Firebringer(52), Lady Lambdadelta(8) )

L- 5

two of the four people voting are scum so irdc to look into individual votes. if you think mastina is scum it's your job to convince me, not to tell me to look into it myself. that being said, i again see no value in elaborating on townreads d1 because it not only tells scum who to kill but also why

Doesn't have actual reason to defend someone uber hard

[Ginngie]

I know Mulch has a reason but I don't know yours Kuuh

[Ginngie]

I know Mulch has a reason but I don't know yours Kuuh

You usually aren't this engaged this early,

and you usually don't care about raesons

You are much more memey usually

,

Do you see why I might be concerned?

I care a lot about this game, regardless of alignment if I'm honest, I'd be giving this game my 150% because of Pine and a little bit of camn.

Also this is a first time in a long time I've laid in my bed and used my laptop to play. I've been here for like the past few hours just reading and researching people and it's been fun.

If the game, which it will, lasts more than 2 weeks, you will see a period where i drop off again only because I have finals to study for.

so yeah, actual free time for once in my life and a game I care about a lot. You're going to see a lot of effort in this game from me.

[Ginngie]

Spoiler: AtE garbage

Also that fuck Pine doesn't deserve the win he got from the last game and I've been lowkey salty about it for awhile

[Ginngie]

I know Mulch has a reason but I don't know yours Kuuh

[Ginngie]

I know Mulch has a reason but I don't know yours Kuuh

[Ginngie]

it's pissing me off tbh

[Ginngie]

pause

[Ginngie]

> Before the game, Pine was given his choice of scum roles as well as one request to the setup in the town. From there I balanced the setup against Pine.

[Ginngie]

So like, this setup is to make Pine's scum roles useless

I'm just a little shook why there would be a miller

[Ginngie]

hmph

[Ginngie]

I'm a little miffed by the claim tbh but whatever role =! alignment

[Ginngie]

wait a minute

scum miller lmao

[Ginngie]

wait a minute

scum miller lmao

sorry, this isn't a normal game

?

lol imma drop it

[Ginngie]

Yo ginngie, Kuuhaku scum or not?

I'm a little miffed by the claim tbh but whatever role =! alignment

firebringer's claim?

also, you kind of just popped in and then popped out. nothing to say?

That’s an interesting conclusion

"interesting" how?

I can see it tbh, the constant dodging of questions always sets me off as a scumread.

Playing fortnite

and your claim

Fire always claim vigi so i don't really care about it.

[Ginngie]

btw I dont think Fire/Mulch are scum together

[Ginngie]

hi, north, quick question

what is your time zone

This is actually a sorting question

[Ginngie]

if it means anything to anyone i would literally never care about a mafia game at 5 am unless i was town in it

tbh

you stole the words out of my mouth

I was thinking, who the fuck stays up this late in the night on a weekend to just try and solve some shit when everyone went to bed.

[Ginngie]

erm, why?

Because it is equally good a hard vanilla-town Gambit as it is a trueclaim strategy.

And in a game like this...is there a cop? Really? And who plays follow the cop anymore anyway?

That's what separates the new guard from the old guard

[Ginngie]

So like

you're saying that fire knows details about the setup and he talks about it a lot in the thread

but at the same time you're seeing him act ignorant of other details?

[Ginngie]

If I'm honest as I see it's already been discussed I don't mind giving my opinion

wait this is confusing

Basically where my head is at, is that Fire loves to claim Vig just about every game, so him claiming it is nothing out of the ordinary for me.

However, what I think you're getting at is how he didn't know, apparently, that he would have gotten the role non-randomly

[Ginngie]

Town: Mulch, Reck, NSG, mastina, Fire, Ari
Who left: a lot


Mulch, what did you think about my post regarding my try hard level this game?

[Ginngie]

i disagree. even if you have reason to believe that scum-kiana would remember the miller claim, what she said was that she missed it. that's entirely different and, in my view, changes things.

My current profile of how scum Kiana plays precludes the idea that she doesn't miss it

I'll explain sometime

A literal waste of time to not do it now

[Ginngie]

whatever

where I'm at right now based on concerns

Elli-just playing the waiting game, see what does happen
Math-doing the bitching a lot which is honestly why I scumread him correctly last game, also on self reflection that was the only game played with him and could be just a trope. Regardless, still don't feel to fuzzy about it
implosion-feels like he's here to be here, and reck pointed out that his progression onto him felt very off. no real reason to town bin him here
Kuuh-very hostile to arguments that they start and refuse to give reasoning
Prama-Mainly the hyper-aggressive defense of mastina so early in the game. I've negated the one point I had regarding the not explaining a town read because it's boiled down to a playstyle concern. I researched a previous towngame of Pram's and saw that they really don't explain their town reads. One thing to note tho is that I did notice a lot more content and engagement within the entire game. Honestly looking at what Pram's content ca be has given me a bias to expect Pram to be able to put in work. Game I looked into first was Undertale
BBmolla-mainly that he's only be doing the mastina push and nothing else, it's one thing to tunnel a player, but with 17 others, it's not hard to interact within the rest of the game
MariaR-I'm actually waiting on mastina to give me input on that slot, from my recollection mastina has a good reading rate of Maria, so I'm willing to put trust there

If I haven't written your name down you're scummy because you're forgettable

[Ginngie]

Town: Mulch, Reck, NSG, mastina, Fire, Ari
Who left: a lot


Mulch, what did you think about my post regarding my try hard level this game?

I guess it eased some of my concerns. I still feel like there's something off about you that's more than just your activity level, though. /shrug

Fair

[Ginngie]

I utterly refuse to play these games with people who are known to be significantly better at scum than tow

Okay I dont want to come off as rude

but this is pathetic and you should feel bad

[Ginngie]

This seems random what makes you think this

Basically, if Fire and mulch were scum together, i feel like there would be a lot of spam between them in the beginning

[Ginngie]

My refusal to read super hard into those kinds of players is essentially equal to my refusal to even see pines posts

It just doesn't end well

I can read the rest of the playerlist well enough and I can fill in the gaps with sheeping

No I mean the part where you don't like playing with someone because it's 'difficult'

give me a break

[Ginngie]

This seems random what makes you think this

Basically, if Fire and mulch were scum together, i feel like there would be a lot of spam between them in the beginning

Eh not a fan of this

Seems level 0

Level 0?

[Ginngie]

I agree it's very simple, but sometimes I don't think things have to be complicated to be right.

I've got a bunch of other stuff that I use for actual analysis so fair balance

[Ginngie]

And I think Ginnigie is more intelligent and a more dynamic town player than that

And certaintly not one that goes off simple ogic like that. Much more of a feels oriented player

So like

you hold me into high regard for some reason

and yet you make statements showing you don't really know me.

[Ginngie]

because if you knew me, you'd know that interactions that happened previously are like 80% of my reads

[Ginngie]

like i reference a dummy amount of games, and here's the thing.

I know Fire jokes a lot iwth his scum team every time he does. He wouldn't resist doing it this game either.

[Ginngie]

So Mulch, you could actually do me a favor

Stop acting like I'm a god at this game

Stop acting like you know how i play because you keep proving that you don't know how i actually play

[Ginngie]

OK see that's a good point but it's not the one you led with

It doesn't matter what I led with, I didn't feel the need to state it with my observation, it was literally stated without any reasoning behind it. There are always factors that go into my reads.

Also yes I bloody know Mulch and Fire have reasons to be town read, at the time of the fucking post tho I personally wasn't confident in the two to make the claim that they're both town. I just knew one of them was town(mainly Mulch)

[Ginngie]

Inb4 Ginngie wins rising star

I was actually nommed for it but it didn't really make sense until like late in 2017 because my winrate only started going up later in the year

[Ginngie]

who the fuck is shos

[Ginngie]

I’m starting to fuck with implo town

[Ginngie]

BB, regarding mastina, is the lynch based off of just the gambit

[Ginngie]

It feels towny af and genuine


Although I had a thought in the shower

Would alisae pick mastina

Hmmm

Okay...


How does it feel “townie as fuck”

Now I’ll agree it’s genuine but it being genuine doesn’t mean it’s townie.

So how is it townie.

How is the towniest.

Why would mastina dream of that as scum first of all

I only ever dream about mafia as town (I think)


..
Plus wtf mastina literally does not care how they looks

Nevertheless I’m mulling over if alisae would pick mastina

Bro wtf

[Ginngie]

I can’t wait till we lynch Dino lmao

[Ginngie]

VOTE: MathDino

start forming scumreads

your strategy is literally "who town who left" gimme a break ginngie

also in case it wasn't hilariously obvious,

Also, how many of these fucking "pick a player to be X alignment" games do I need to play and then FLIP TOWN IN before people realize that no one is ever going to pick me to be scum in these games. Humans are naturally risk averse.

Additionally, I think Alisae is the kind of person who would draft me to keep me from being drafted as scum.

this post is the exact kind of argument from team mafia, and is what i've been scumreading all game

That’s cute for you to criticize given the only game we’ve played together I completely rekt the scum team but okay

[Ginngie]

Mulch, do you think it’s fair for Mathdino to downplay my play when he’s seen me get scum really effectively?

[Ginngie]

VOTE: gin

Yeah, I'd rather you not.

Lol thanks

[Ginngie]

Still ignores that I got scum a lot

And you read the dead PT of Team Maf, you understand the fake guilty and even said it was a topic you would have discussed

So cut the shit

[Ginngie]

You’re basically going yeah you suck at mafia, and pushing ad hom arguments to try and downplay the fact that I can have really good reads

[Ginngie]

Ginnigie, did you say to me “stop acting like I’m so good”, and now are telling math “respect me more?”

Or am I missing something

You expect me to have high caliber analysis, Math is literally saying I’m the worst which is not true

I’m somewhere in the middle and will defend that

[Ginngie]

Like I’m able to be good at the game, but when you’re expecting my play on paper to be this awesome quality then you’re mistaken.

Process is sloppy, results are successful

[Ginngie]

Stop being a cunt

[Ginngie]

Ginnigie, did you say to me “stop acting like I’m so good”, and now are telling math “respect me more?”

Or am I missing something

You expect me to have high caliber analysis, Math is literally saying I’m the worst which is not true

I’m somewhere in the middle and will defend that

when did i say you were the worst

you voted me for not having scumreads when your entire strategy in games is "who town who left"

i never argued PoE was bad, i'm saying you telling me to start getting some scumreads is some rich shit from someone who brags about sheeping in all their games

I literally wrote down scumreads dumbfuck

Thanks for not reading anything i actually post

Thanks for calling me a laughingstock

That sure isn’t calling me the worst

Saying you respect me the least

Yeah no

You’re a cunt

[Ginngie]

/replace out

[Ginngie]

Math

sometimes you need to learn when to let things go

Yeah it was a god damn mistake

we all fucking make mistakes

doesn't mean you bully people afterwards and hold it against their fucking head.

But no, be a literal piece of shit, that's so respectful.

[Ginngie]

I'm not going to play in a game that makes me shake from being upset

That's not fucking fun.

I literally don't have the mental stability right now to deal with being shit on so much

[Ginngie]

what the fuck

i was literally laughing with the mod behind the scenes after i died that your plan was literally the only play that would result in a town loss

my experience with you ginngie was

RC's game: you basically being useless most of the game and getting in constant TvT fights

Ether's game: YOU FUCKING FAKED A GUILTY ON THE MOST CONFTOWN SLOT IN THE GAME

"you being useless"

i am actually shocked that you're analysing me through the lens of "mathdino should respect me more"

give me a break

you are the 15th person i respected most from ether's game

15th person I respected

LLD you're arguing that people are risk averse

are you basically saying everyone other than you is risk averse

Edit: ginngie at what point in the dead thread did it look like i respected your fake guilty

i said i would've considered that read, not that i would've blown through
- alignment choice
- toranaga meta
- toranaga being spewed town by lang buddha
- toranaga generally playing like town

all for that one "hmm a50 seems like he knows too much about another game" point when a50 is just a crazy fuck anyway

the only person who i've talked to that has had good things to say about you is mastina

but mastina literally taught you mafia so what the fuck do i know

you were a laughingstock after team mafia dude

"you were a laughingstock'

'no one has anything good to say about you'

All you're doing is attacking me as a fucking person

[Ginngie]

if you can't handle me saying "your strategy is who town who left" (a statement that is not critical)
you should not be playing mafia, and the replace-out makes sense
but yeah i'll do other shit

HOW THE FUCK

ARE YOU SO GOD DAMN BLIND

[Ginngie]

DO I HAVE TO MAKE IT SHINY WITH PRETTY COLORS

[Ginngie]

what the fuck

i was literally laughing with the mod behind the scenes after i died that your plan was literally the only play that would result in a town loss

my experience with you ginngie was

RC's game: you basically being useless most of the game and getting in constant TvT fights

Ether's game: YOU FUCKING FAKED A GUILTY ON THE MOST CONFTOWN SLOT IN THE GAME

"you being useless"

i am actually shocked that you're analysing me through the lens of "mathdino should respect me more"

give me a break

you are the 15th person i respected most from ether's game

15th person I respected

LLD you're arguing that people are risk averse

are you basically saying everyone other than you is risk averse

Edit: ginngie at what point in the dead thread did it look like i respected your fake guilty

i said i would've considered that read, not that i would've blown through
- alignment choice
- toranaga meta
- toranaga being spewed town by lang buddha
- toranaga generally playing like town

all for that one "hmm a50 seems like he knows too much about another game" point when a50 is just a crazy fuck anyway

the only person who i've talked to that has had good things to say about you is mastina

but mastina literally taught you mafia so what the fuck do i know

you were a laughingstock after team mafia dude

"you were a laughingstock'

'no one has anything good to say about you'

All you're doing is attacking me as a fucking person

[Ginngie]

If your dumbass could read then oh my fuck you'd make my day cupcake

[Ginngie]

Calling me a laughingstock is very god damn personal fuckwit

[Ginngie]

I'm so sorry Mathdino

I should have known to kiss your boot when you try to step on me instead of telling you that stepping on me hurts

What's worse is that you don't understand whhy what you're saying isn't okay

A simple sorry for saying no one likes you and everyone jokes about how shit you are would have sufficed

[Ginngie]

/replace out

redacting

Do apologize for calling you a cunt, not necessary for explaining why I got hurt

[Ginngie]

VOTE: Parama

[Ginngie]

Okay, LLD, I see your blood pact

and will support D2

or you will, but lol me eating a night kill

[Ginngie]

VOTE: Parama

???

Justify this after the replace out?

Been a scum read of mine for awhile

The replace out after a wagon is built doesn't look good

[Ginngie]

@Ginngie: i should not have blown up

have been on edge today

this seems to extend into me playing dumb or scum with anyone who scumreads me

sorry, and if you're town, i'll see how your scumreads progress

:3

[Ginngie]

lol LLD popping off

[Ginngie]

Hey ginngie, mastina is pocketing you.

Look who predicted that

I townread mastina based on how I know how her mind works

it wasn't anything she convinced me of but because of a convo she had with someone else

so town read isn't a pocket move

[Ginngie]

He did that 12 yrs ago and he was indeed scum.

This.

Is.

Hilarious.

[Ginngie]

Mastina, WTF is 46??? Insta scumread, so thanks for that!

Okay, so like.
It's been ages now.
And even the players from that game.
Have seemed to miss that when I made my entry I was verbatim quoting my entry to last game.
And nobody has mentioned it at all.

You should have recognized it for what it was.

I bet there's a ninjascum in the top category!

Funnily enough, you just so happened to be in that top category!

Did I not say this

[Ginngie]

You say this
while also insulting Pine's intelligence by thinking he wouldn't know that would happen.

And what does Pine do? Let Alisae draft the Ginngie-mastina townbloc of destruction which singlehandedly wrecked him last game?

>says this
>somehow forgets their mistakes

Spoiler: >

Subject: Mini 1869- camn's revenge GAME OVER!

Hey.
VOTE: Nachomamma8.
Dead serious here.
I'm entering in a 1v1 with Nacho.

Like. If he flips town POWER lynch me here.

I was informed that role assignment wasn't random this game.
Pine knows me to be a stellar scum player and not quite as strong a town player, yet I wasn't one of his picks for the scumteam.
But unless I massively misunderstood the game's nature: Pine did in fact get a choice in at least ONE scumbuddy, if not all three. (Something about a draft order.)
He didn't select me.

I refuse to believe he allowed both me and Nacho to be town.
So lynch me, lynch Nacho, doesn't matter who you lynch first but Nacho is scum.
Guaranteed.

[Ginngie]

Mastina can you link me to th le biggest post you’ve ever made

If i remember, she told me it took two posts because she hit the character limit

[Ginngie]

This game surely slowed down comparing to what I was reading before.

mastina town reads me

so

highest poster

doesn't need to post as much

simple really

[Ginngie]

wait fuck what

[Ginngie]

VOTE: Brian Skies

[Ginngie]

I am fascinated to see how this shakes out.

Ginngie what's your mastina read?

She's a bitch

only because of the tell

[Ginngie]

This game fucks me up

In that my scumreads are everyone's scum reads

and my townreads town read my townreads

[Ginngie]

UNVOTE:

I need to return to who I am in my heart

[Ginngie]

This game fucks me up

In that my scumreads are everyone's scum reads

and my townreads town read my townreads

DOESN'T THIS JUST MEAN THAT YOU AGREE WITH ME WHY ARE YOU UNVOTING.

[Ginngie]

[Ginngie]

hey

can someone help me with finding power series given a function?

[Ginngie]

hey

can someone help me with finding power series given a function?

FIGURED IT OUT

[Ginngie]

I’ll vig Brian Skies.

Let’s lynch mastina

I trust you shooting mastina a lot more than literally every player on MS

[Ginngie]

why is brian skies a hard lynch

idgi

Even Reck finds this questionable.

And he's barely reading the game.

So your defense to you not being a good lynch

is that we should hold in high regard, the opinion, of a man, who has very little information to aid in his decision making.

right...

[Ginngie]

My scumhunting involves using all of my past experiences I've had in mafia and applying them to what is most likely to come from town/scum and experiences i have with users themselves.

I do a lot better the more I play with people and I don't have any experience with you.

Now here's the thing.

Elli if town, dies, and both mastina and yourself go down. He has a provable tell on mastina that he's invoking.

Lying about it secures his lynch and he would have weighed in those options as scum.



Also tbh, you're going down the route that "I suck as scum, so I can't be"

which doesn't really work out ever and is mainly a scum argument.

[Ginngie]

Also note that Mastina actually has a reputation for being a decent or good scum player.

To the best of my knowledge, I dont.

Also note that Mastina actually has a reputation for being a decent or good scum player.

To the best of my knowledge, I dont.

The one you oh so dearly trust has a few words to say about this

[Ginngie]

Scum me, otoh, blows and I dont think anyone in this game, aside from maybe Alisae who isn't even playing, would think of me as a good scum player.

You're downplaying yourself here

you're making a defense case:

If Brian_Skies.effort = True
Then user.Brian_Skies = Town
Else If Brian_Skies.effort = False
Then user.Brian_Skies = Scum

[Ginngie]

Also note that Mastina actually has a reputation for being a decent or good scum player.

To the best of my knowledge, I dont.

Also note that Mastina actually has a reputation for being a decent or good scum player.

To the best of my knowledge, I dont.

The one you oh so dearly trust has a few words to say about this

I have no idea who this is.

why is brian skies a hard lynch

idgi

Even Reck finds this questionable.

And he's barely reading the game.

[Ginngie]

Or a man who has played with me before and knows that I, as town, am a slow starter, but gets better over time.

Also, if I make it past Day 1, I make it incredibly difficult to lynch me and typically only find the noose in Mylo/Lylo

Bolded states that your beginning content starts small, but you say that it's rate increases. This says your effort increases. I swear if you argue this, I won't even talk to you anymore

Italicized shows that you admit that it gets hard to lynch you, therefore, you could not say you'd be a low hanging fruit player. What you're essentially saying here, is that if you put up a fight, you must be town. Putting up a fight needs what? Effort. It requires effort for you to do so.

Both of these require effort by you to sustain the argument for you being town.

Thus you are making a case that if you put in effort, then you must be town.

literally tho, Effort!=Alignment.

[Ginngie]

Deny me to Pine because I am a better scum player.

Reck I think it’s time to bring out the video

[Ginngie]

Hi

[Ginngie]

Mastina is at L-1 you’re argument is fucking stupid please stop

[Ginngie]

FUCK

THAT WAS AUTOCORRECT I SWEAR

ITS YOUR

[Ginngie]

Ugh

This part takes forever

[Ginngie]

camn does your vote count?

[Ginngie]

nvrmind

[Ginngie]

VOTE: MASTINA

[Ginngie]

GOD I LOVE DOING THAT

[Ginngie]

VOTE: Brian Skies

[Ginngie]

Don’t u want to be one to hammer him?

Obvi

Gotta make intentions clear tho fam

[Ginngie]

Friends! No! This is a setup!

I was the scum-designated mislynch. Look how fast people tried to lynch me over Mastina.

This sounds so hilariously fake

Also i read this in the voice ya boy makes when you catch him with another girl

[Ginngie]

UNVOTE:

[Ginngie]

Now i wait

[Ginngie]

UNVOTE:

Now i wait

Disturbing.

Disturbed

[Ginngie]

DO NOT LET BRIAN SKIES AND IMPLOSION TALK THEMSELVES OUT OF ANYTHING TOMORROW

THEY ARE AS GOOD AS GUILTIED

TREAT THEM LIKE PINE

NO NEED TO ADDRESS OTHER THAN TO MEME

[Ginngie]

Vote: Brian Skies

L-1

[Ginngie]

ginngie i see you lying

It's literally L-1

someone votes and I instahammer

[Ginngie]

you know you can occasionally let other people have the joy of hammering right

nope

[Ginngie]

hey Brian

so you like the only one else on that can vote

do you mind

[Ginngie]

damn

[Ginngie]

VOTE: BRIAN SKIES

[Ginngie]

he was obviously blocked

and then killed

implo scum

[Ginngie]

I tried to save you firebringer.....by naming you as my 4th Lynch

guilty conscious

camn is scum

[Ginngie]

So Mulch, at this point like

if you're the cop

could you like

clear keychain and GiF

because those are like the two I wanna lynch the most

and you said you got greens on those

[Ginngie]

basically your predecessor was scummy.AF

[Ginngie]

I've played this before goof, that does nothing.

[Ginngie]

stop wasting our time

[Ginngie]

what happened to Maria?

[Ginngie]

wait how

[Ginngie]

can someonetellme what happened because I am lost

[Ginngie]

Apparently LLD did a 180 of blood pact with lynching the fuck out of Maria

and then she like

lynch Ginngie with fire for asking me why I no longer scumread Maria

and I feel like I'm missing super important context because apparently maria is conf!town

[Ginngie]

or we can always lynch Maria. Maria is a good lynch. BLOOD PACT, ELLI. BLOOD PACT.

what happened to Maria?

confirmed town.

what happened to Maria?

This person dies before lylo for this question, by the way.

Like this is the only thing relevant regarding Maria so I'm just like confused?

[Ginngie]

VOTE: Maria

[Ginngie]

VOTE: Maria

[Ginngie]

WAIT

[Ginngie]

inb4 Maria is an arsonist and lights up the entire town for the win

#3rdParty

[Ginngie]

Town: Ginngie, Mulch, LLD, NSG, Maria, Ari, BB

Who left: shos, DGB, Keychain Madoka

[Ginngie]

can you say why tho

[Ginngie]

Spoiler: @LLD

[Ginngie]

can you say why tho

Read my posts, it won't take you more than 15 seconds.

because your role pm

[Ginngie]

can you say why tho

yeah, because I expect you as a player to see me not open voting maria and expect there to be a reason, especially since you've seen me as scum and you know I'm internally consistent. I think the thing you did was thinly veiled as trying to look townie when the response really wasn't. Is it enough to lynch you over my harder scum reads? No, but you are on the scorched earth list of "die before lylo" because of it.

that was at goof

[Ginngie]

can you say why tho

yeah, because I expect you as a player to see me not open voting maria and expect there to be a reason, especially since you've seen me as scum and you know I'm internally consistent. I think the thing you did was thinly veiled as trying to look townie when the response really wasn't. Is it enough to lynch you over my harder scum reads? No, but you are on the scorched earth list of "die before lylo" because of it.

I think Deathworld should have taught you that I don't grasp your playstyle and it drives you up a wall lol