Turn of Camn ~FIN~

[camn]

Hello, everyone!

[camn]

you guys.....SO MANY GREAT PEOPLE IN THIS GAME!

this is gonna be great.
Plus. Pine must be punished.

[camn]

Hello, my lovelies!

I am going to keep my reads a little bit to myself for a ~short~ time. I want to see what develops. But of course, my reads are no better than yours.....in fact much worse than many of yours!

Except: I have a mason buddy to be disclosed later.

One note: when you are second guessing who Pine would recruit....remember he got the FIRST pick...then the FIFTH. So if any player is, in your opinion, hot enough to draft...Pine would have have to have taken them first. Otherwise they likely got picked up by an Alisae.

[camn]

What how would I not have picked you, mastina?

And Pine only gets ONE first pick!

[camn]

There's not enough camn, she may be scum.

Ha ha I'm taking a slow entry. I want some untainted Day 1 interactions.

[camn]

bbmolla- there was a 4:1 ratio thing. Pine picked 1, Alisae picked 4, then back to Pine.

I had no say in it...but I put in 5 choices for a mason buddy and got a single random pick of those choices. And DGB was certainly one of the 5

[camn]

Camn just clarified in case you missed it

Though...I just dug through all my other messages...and I can't actually find the source of that belief.
Buy I remembered it because it was different than what I did against Pine.

Meh. Doesn't matter anyway. Draft spec only works one way- who WOULDN'T Pine pick? (I agree Aristo, btw. Sry Aristo!)

[camn]

Parama- your top5 scumreads?

[camn]

And that's Bullshit, Pine! You got Jin by accident.

[camn]

PE: True, but my intended pick, Gin, was a relative unknown then as well

Not unknown TO YOU, you dirty little slut.

[camn]

What IS a slag, even? Now you making up insults.

[camn]

Anyway- I still want Parama's top 5 scumlist.

[camn]

Fuck it's in code

[camn]

Ha ha totally debatable. But at least I can't be killed.
No eating the N1 kill for me today

[camn]

No need for insults, Sora!

I'm not the only person on this playerlist to catch a lot of N1 kills. And I have NEVER argued that I was anything other than terrible at this game!

[camn]

the early stages of a game are far too chaotic to be worth spending that much effort on

Dats da truf.

[camn]

I've always believed in you, mulch.

[camn]

I hope we are, Mulch! You were also one of my 5...

[camn]

You wound me!

/cry

[camn]

How else do you get them to confess?

[camn]

Oh my god, this opened 9 hours ago and we have 25 pages!?!?

Fuuuuuck!

I just git diuble ninja'd writing this.
God damn!

Everyone is pretty much hard-townreading you already...so just jump in!

[camn]

I assumed the Miller claim was bullshit.

[camn]

erm, why?

Because it is equally good a hard vanilla-town Gambit as it is a trueclaim strategy.

And in a game like this...is there a cop? Really? And who plays follow the cop anymore anyway?

[camn]

well, i can confirm that i'm not vanilla-town gambiting

Yeah but that is what you WOULD say if you WERE.

[camn]

Well...there are a lot of angles.

The classic is just to call off any town investigative....since you would be a negative result, and probably a waste of a shot if your towngame is such that you don't need the Innocent result.

Alternatively, a Gambit to discourage a miller fakeclaim by scum if youre ACTUALLY a town cop.

The list goes on.

[camn]

I play a devious and multilayered game.

Are you swearing on your life that you are a real life miller...with the inevitable implication that there is a (maybe) sane cop in this game?

[camn]

Just your game life....not actual life

[camn]

Fine. I'm going to bed now.

For everyone who didn't know- I live in Asia. So my clock is just wrong. Try not to post 20 pages before I wake up!

[camn]

I think that's true.

[camn]

Never confirmed. Let's replace that slot, @Alisae?

[camn]

Parama is town.

Disagree. Convince me?

[camn]

I'm also interested in some heat on Parama.

[camn]

Me neither.

[camn]

Hee hee...even in THIS game, I have a plan.

[camn]

Ug.

[camn]

Probably not relevant?

[camn]

I haven't checked...but I imagine some game is ending and then everyone is free to meta their dumb faces off. /yawn

[camn]

We already decided Ari was town, cuz Pine wouldnt want one of his scumboys to get speedlynched right away.

[camn]

I think I know who Camns mason is

I told you we would be more subtle about our distancing! Hush!

[camn]

I say we follow Mulch's instinct for the day 1 lynch.
For once.
His intincts are good.

As kingmaker, I nominate

MULCH

.

[camn]

He’s probably town but his reads blow

I have seen his day one instincts be shockingly accurate in the past. I'd like to give it a chance.

[camn]

Ha ha, let me spell it out FOR YOU!

a) Nobody is FORCING. I state my preference.
b) day 1 in a large is always a town Lynch ANYWAY. it would tickle me to do it this way.
c) of course I won't be to blame. ~Mulch~ will!
d) BUT in the end.....the blame for losing this game can only fall on me. I can't be killed. So I am not going to shy away from blame in the end. Just Day 1

That all said- I hear your objections...and they have valid footing. Non Mulch-Driven lynches should be considered.
If there is a good case for scum....let's kill.
But if there is just gonna be a cuz-i-said-so Lynch...I'd like to see it be cuz-mulch-said-so.

[camn]

I'm cool with a Brian Skies lynch.

[camn]

Por que?

[camn]

Why was it nonsense, Brian?

[camn]

oh damn, soooo much this

What you also don't know me?

[camn]

I'm interested in this flip.
VOTE: mastina

[camn]

I'm good with speedlynching Brian Skies...then implosion...then firebringer cuz fake vig....and regrouping after.


VOTE: Brian Skies

[camn]

VOTE: Implosion

[camn]

I tried to save you firebringer.....by naming you as my 4th Lynch

[camn]

Hello, my lovely friends!

I must issue a formal apology. I have been

HELLA ANTISOCIAL

this last week.
I mean fucking

sullen

. Noise-cancelling headphones and Eastern-bloc doom meta antisocial. You wanna know why? I'll tell you.

Alisae roped me into this. She wrote me was like this:

alisae: "hey camn! let's get Pine! I know where he's gonna be!"

And I was like,

camn: "fuck yeah!"

Why, You ask?
I was still mad cuz he burned down my mountain chalet and made me head to Equador for all that time.
It was fucking bullshit I should have straight murdered him when I had him in the trunk but NO I was trying to be sporting and civilized and shit. #neveragain

Anyway, when I got here,

FUCKING BEEBUDDY WAS DEAD

, and it became clear that Pine was up to his OLD FUCKiNG TRICKS.


Yeah- remember that?

HE DROWNED HIM!

So I'll admit it. I was pissed. I sulked. On the upside.. I have a much deeper understanding of the Dropped-D Tuning.

ANY

anyway

...then came

Ellibereth

. Sweet, sweet, dead

Ellibereth

. He single-handedly murdered most of Pine's crew. I will never forget his name. He pulled me out of my depression... and I am ready to embrace the day!

So let's do it.. Blood must pay for Blood. Pine killed

Elli

. And

Chara

. and

FireBringer

!

WHY FIREBRINGER?

HE NEVER HURT ANYBODY.
And now Reck. He was my friend.
Let's find the last one. I wanna dance on Pine's smug little face. Blood for the Blood God.

[camn]

Yeah what's up, Gin?

[camn]

Hey me too.

LLD! Enlighten me?
Pretend I was mostly skimming the game until now

[camn]

You have rolebased that she is town, then?

Let me add it to my spreadsheet.

[camn]

Why don't you calm down.
Although I don't think we are ready yet....massclaim now with wouldnt be totally insanity.
Now we can stop playing...and hard clear both you and Maria. It's worth your claim.
And I think you STILL get another result. Mulch would be a smarter kill than you.

[camn]

Mulch- do you feel like claiming? Or do you want to stick with hypoclaims?

I think if anyone ELSE has hard rolebased clears....they should present them as well. We don't need to depend on future NightPlay for this game, I don't think.

[camn]

good play (it wasn't) is infuriating and robs me of any agency

You spilled the beans because you don't know how to play an innocent. Exposing your poorly-veiled softclaims is the best thing for everyone. You were acting like a 2-year-old tryna keep a secret about a birthday party.

Now...do you want to Lynch Gin for it? Or just be a snot about it?

[camn]

Fine, goof.

VOTE: PINE

[camn]

I kind of agree.
But it can't hurt, can it?

[camn]

Ohshit. I'm going to bed. I'll see what happened here when I get up.

But...VOTE: DGB

[camn]

Goof- the votecouter script doesn't even count vote's for pine.

Like this: VOTE: Pine

Now Ill get a votecount...and my vote will still be on you.

[camn]

Votecount 4.5

Keychain(2)

~ Madoka and Homura(33), MariaR(10)

DrippingGoofball(2)

~ Ginngie(34), camn(11), Mulch(5), Pine(9)

Northsidegal(1)

~ shos(8)

Madoka and Homura(1)

~ Lady Lambdadelta(22)

Ginngie(1)

~ DrippingGoofball(23)


Not Voting (4): Aristophanes(7), BBmolla(5), Keychain(3), Northsidegal(0)

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

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Performed 11 calls in 117 seconds. With an average of 10.6995454545455 seconds per call.

[camn]

I mean...my vote is on Pine.

[camn]

We are just slow lynching it.

[camn]

if like, you have a paranoid cop that always gets guilties, and then they get an inno, you can deduce that that is because of the godfather modifier

That. Is. Hot.

[camn]

UNVOTE:


PS....is Mulch scum?

[camn]

Myrole basically confirms me as town because it fits me so well

Um... Pine Chose the roles and the scum, too.

[camn]

Guys I don't know if they're keeping me here and I don't know if I can do anything tn.

itt Ari posts from Jail.

[camn]

I am with LLD in this battle.
But I think Mulch is the last scum.

[camn]

Well if you are town stop it with DGB hate. She is town.

Also....Hanging your towniness on Ellis read would be flawed....considering that, the entire game, before Elli even showed up...your entire fixation was to get townread by Elli. You put 100% of you energy into it...and if you are scum....maybe that's all it takes to fool him. 100% commitment to fooling him.

Right now, if I saw any 3p Lylo with you in it, I'd want to see you dead. Luckily that is a long way off.

[camn]

DGB does ~not~, never in this life, handle a fakeclaim like she handles this claim. Ever. With the vote-Pine madness and such. Either she has a plan, or she doesn't bother claiming at all.

So I think the claim is real.

And it only makes sense as a town role designed to catch Mastina.

so Mulch...if you are serious about DGBscum...
Are you telling me she is a scum Paranoid Cop?
Or that that whole claim is fake?

[camn]

UNVOTE:
zzz

I wish centipede was here :*

Goofball was blowing up scumteams the same way back when Elli was still in middle school

[camn]

Right, right?

[camn]

Let's resolve the Gladiate.
VOTE: Madoka and Homura

[camn]

I think it’s goofball

Tell me why.

[camn]

If you are wrong, which you are...it is a situation that resolves itself.
DGB-town is a constant threat....and there is no way a sole scum picks her as a member of a 3p Lylo. If she is town, she is eventually nightkilled.

But...she is town...and trying to Lynch her is a distraction at best.

Also, your reasoning is not strong.
You have yet to explain her claim.
Given you are counting on

your

claim clearing you...it seems like you would pay more attention to that.

Why aren't you?

[camn]

What is bad about it?
And if the claim is real..how is SHE not town?

Are you.. logically....proposing a scum paranoid cop??

[camn]

VOTE: Mulch

[camn]

Mulch is scummy af

[camn]

of course there is the Madoka vs LLD battle, too.

[camn]

Lets Lynch Mulch.

[camn]

of course there is the Madoka vs LLD battle, too.

Do we have it confirmed that this is actually a true gladiator? Cuz the VC seems normal

It's not real, mechanically.
But it's still a real-crossvote.
And those things often just smolder until they get sorted.

[camn]

Hi everyone!

Read most of the game in its entirety last night, pretty confident with the reads I have so far, hope we can wrap this game up today~ ^_^

Yay!
gogogo

[camn]

I was getting suspicious of Mulch tho.
He was getting squirrely.

So talk to me.
we have one to find....and although I'll take 3 scumlynches in a row....you know we lose a lot in the way of associatives when it goes down like it did.

So some fresh eyes might be good. What do you see?

[camn]

So I think I just aced my Calc 2 exam

I bet you failed.

[camn]

This is classic Katsuki lurker-scum, as far as I can tell.

[camn]

Yeah thats just for when its actually L-2 and you are trying the good old fakehammer gambit.

[camn]

You really think scum-NSG intentionally 'slipped in " an L-1 vote so that some townie would *oops I accidentally hammered*?
That is your argument here?

And your keyboard is broken? Who breaks a keyboard?

[camn]

I never do.
And the question was not 'do accidental hammers happen?'
It was...are you suggesting that that was NSG's plan?

[camn]

I forget the old rule, is apathetic Katsuki town or scum? Wasn't it scum?

Scum.

[camn]

I was taught Katsuki coming in and trying is scum

He learned that meta, then started intentionally being super lazy as scum to self-clear.

[camn]

YeahBB! Get em.

I certainly wouldn't wanna see shos in Lylo.

[camn]

Why Mulch town?

Cuz...hear me out here... obviously Mulch worships Elli.
How would he play it if he rolled scum against him here?
How would he enter this game?

[camn]

okay.

I am willing to let Katsuki-slot ride.
I feel there is no way he could fool me through endgame, so there is that.

[camn]

worst votecout ever

[camn]

This seems like a lock you guys. I believe LLD.

[camn]

Plus..Mulch was scum..and Kats is lurkerscum.
Plus...LLDscum fakeguilty at 7p doesnt make sense.
If she was pulling this in LYLO then obv, but here? No.

[camn]

Oh hey Kats- you should fulclaim. Mulch was softing a bunch, so we know you are power.

[camn]

Really? I'm a VT.

Ha ha...let's chew on that for a second.
That would mean townMulch was fakeclaiming results the whole game ~why~? To draw the nightkill?

I don't buy it.
I still think that slot is scum.
LLD is the credible one here.

VOTE: Katsuki

[camn]

Hm. Yesterday was unexpected.
I certainly support NoLynch here.

[camn]

How hard is it? I was just starting to get the creeps from her still being alive.

[camn]

I'm probably a protective role.

Hm.

I can go either way.
If someone other than Keychain has something they think they can gain from another night phase....let's NoLynch.

Otherwise..I think massclaim and decide now.

DGB is probably conf-town now, despite Keychains unknown alignment.
Cus Keychain scumplay here is an innocent on DGB now.... Her death overnight....play out Lylo on fake copclaim either with inno or guilty.
Of course...keychains townplay is the same....

But DGb is town either way, unless townKey has insane results.
And TOMORROW...maybe keychain gets a guilty...and then we are stuck.

So in re: Keychain, we are better off voting today, right?

[camn]

Keychain if we no lynched and I protected you are you capable of getting another report?

Think that through, tho.

[camn]

I think NL is fine given KeychainTown.
But given keychainSCUM...we probably lose.

Either alignment...his LYLO result would be unhlepful, I think.
Either he gets a real innocent, which says nothing about his alignment..and we lose the real innocent we already have....
Or he gets a guilty, which we can't trust, anyway.

Or he gets nothing, and we are here still.

[camn]

And ALPHABETICAL ORDER is the order I choose, right Pine? RIGHT?!

[camn]

"sleep like a rock through anything"

Also- um ..not something to complain about.

[camn]

Sorry, keyblade. I never even looked!

[camn]

If it means anything I second Ari claiming first.

Perfectly Alphabetical.

[camn]

mastina

Mafia Godfather

Brian Skies

Mafia 2-shot roleblocker

Implosion

Mafia Goon.

MariaR

Vanilla Townie

Shos

Vanilla Townie

Ginngie

Vanilla Townie

Centipede Syndrome

Vanilla Townie

Madoka and Homura

Vanilla Townie.

Firebringer

Fruit Vending Arsonist

xRECKONERx

Nexus.

Katsuki

Vengeful Townie

Lady Lambdadelta

Odd-Night Redirector

Northsidegal

Miller

DrippingGoofball

- Claims Paranoid Cop

Aristophanes

- Claims Even-Night Doc

BBmolla

- Claims Vanilla

Keychain

- Claims Even-Night BusDriver

-------------------------------------------------------

So, setupspec wise..... I can dig the following:
Paranoid Cop and Godfather. Brilliant.
--with a miller? Ug. But there it is.
OddNight Redirector and EvenNight Busdriver.. also brilliant. Like a watcher/tracker combo.
--adding a Nexus is like whoa, tho.
--also side note: is Key's logic correct? Could scum-DGB kill herself?

Claims that are hard for me to dig:
Doctor.
BUT.. 2shot Roleblocker. Could the 4th scum just be strongman/ninja? Sure. That would be a typical Pine request.. and all the redirection brilliantly bypasses that power.

----Conclusions:
DGB is town on play, town on claim, town on Keyblade results despite keyblade's alignment. So hard town here for me.
Aristo has the old---would Pine pick him? going for him.. plus do you really fakeclaim Doc with targets that died? It is hard to believe.. but WIFOM. I am soft town here.
Keyblade--the claim matches. Could she be SCUM busdriver? YES. That would be b-r-i-l-l-i-a-n-t. . but the claim. Does one gambit like this? Maybe. I need to think on it.
BBmolla- VT is scums safeclaim generally. Probably this is the scumslot. But I need thoughts.

GOOF

!
Lets solve this game now.
You are conftown in MYLO.
You have to find 1 scum out of 3.

go.

[camn]

Ask me shit, good night for real.

Ok- question:
Are you really arguing that you can't be scum cuz your claim would be FANTASTIC.. but Aristo CAN, with a doc claim and failed protections?
How do you reconcile this? And don't give me: 'Aristo isn't awesome'.. cuz a) Aristo IS, and b) Pine could help him with a claim duh.

I think a VT claim is a conservative scumclaim, yes....but that rings more true than a botched fake docclaim.
But- convince me. And DGB.


Also Aristo- You say you would never kill Ginngie- wasn't she a redirected kill? Don't play dumb- you knew that.

[camn]

Fuck me man.

BBMolla: calm down, and lets take it bit by bit.

I am mod confrmed town, of course.
If you are town...this is your chance to shine.
Convince me who the last scum is.

Getting angsty wont help....cuz I don't have emotions anymore. And no one is quicklynchint right now. Aristo won't vote till I say, (right?) and the other two are generally sane these days. We have weeks. So let's talk:

Bit 1:
DGB is conf town as outlined above.
Do you agree? Disagree? Why?

KeyChain:
So- Pine picked his team and his roles. The balance was then against him. Can you speculate on his choices?
He knows that more scumpower = more townpower. Given the amount of town power...and the CHARACTER of town power...doesn't a strongman make sense?

[camn]

I'll try in the next day or two. I'm traveling and only on my phone atm...

[camn]

The only way she couldn't be is if she was a second Godfather, which, tbh, I think Alisae would provide us more clues to infer that in some way.

OK, I agree. So you have two relatively-seasoned conf-town players to convince.
We are leaning scum on you for the reasons described, on setup-spec, on whatever.. but we are NOT leaning town on you because of our own crapcase scumplay. So Bluster is probably not gonna be effective here.
We are open to reason.
So reason.

A meta-argument- "this is not my scum meta" is no argument at all. I have won

literally

1,000,000 scumgames with that argument, and also it will not fly... be it true or false.
The BEST case, of course.. is

not

why you are town.. it is who is the last scum . That's what we are interested in. And it is your chance to shine

Aristo? Or Keychain?

You

maybe

made some points earlier while ranting.. but they were hard for me to see cuz my eyes were rolling too hard (i know! Im trying to quit!)... so lets hear it more coherent this time!

[camn]

We need DGB's night actions, for completion's sake.

[camn]

I'm kind of feeling KeyChain scum.
Yeah, her claim is deep...because it's true.
And revealing you as innocent gets her as much towncred as possible coming into endgame...when she and pine knew a massclaim would be coming...and having 0 results would be suspicious.

Hm.

[camn]

Question: how cheeky would you guess mastina-scum would be?
On a scale of cute to cheekyscumfuckery?

[camn]

Cuz dig this- her second post of the game:

These players are not mastina's scumbuddies:

Centipede Syndrome (Ellibereth + Chara)
Northsidegal

Aristophanes

kuuhaku (Kiana Kaslana + Shiro)

These are players who it's hard to tell:

Mathdino

shos

BBmolla
DrippingGoofball

Firebringer
MariaR
Mulch
xRECKONERx

The following contain mastina's scumbuddies she'll distance but not bus:

Parama

Implosion

Lady Lambdadelta
Ginngie

And again, later:

Centipede Syndrome (Ellibereth + Chara)
Northsidegal

Aristophanes

kuuhaku (Kiana Kaslana + Shiro)

Mulch

DrippingGoofball
BBmolla

shos
Firebringer
MariaR
xRECKONERx

Parama

Implosion

Lady Lambdadelta

Mathdino

Ginngie

With the caveat that Firebringer, Maria, and Reck aren't solid reads and that Parama/implosion are conditional scumreads.

[camn]

I have no idea why you'd be targeted. I said pretty much the same thing in 2497 - I thought you wouldn't be! That's literally why I swapped you, I was trying to redirect the night kill off northsidegal!

And ONTO DGB?
Why her?

[camn]

Wait...is that even how it works?

[camn]

Ok...so Keychain wants to SAVE Northside..as mentioned...so she was ok with DGB eating the kill.

Let me see who Key's scumsuspects we're at the end of yesterday....

[camn]

Hm.
A not able absence of any actual scumreads from keychain for DAYS.

2382 is close...

[camn]

A- wifom
B- she was ALREADY conf on play alone.

[camn]

Question: how did you think she was scum again? I remember you disputing her being conf....but really? Paranoid cop and godfather--- it's an Alisae setup instant classic. It's elegance and symmetry are unreal. So wtf?

[camn]

Christ, Key...that rundown paints you as scum pretty hard.

[camn]

Thinking about this game is making it hard to focus irl

I have the opposite problem.

If this day winds up a no Lynch, I won't cry. I'm a tad shirt on free time at the moment.

That said...I'm still thinking keychain.

Though dark horse Aristo is nagging at me too.

Goof! How do we get this right? Am I destined to be defeated by Pine forever?

[camn]

How does aristo-scum come up with this lol doc-claim? Theoretically?
It seems to ~bad~ to be fake.

[camn]

I think I am too.

[camn]

I'm kind of willing to proxy to Goofball all the votes.

[camn]

My role fits me really well too fwiw

What did this mean, BB?

[camn]

Or if I need to claim, if anyone hammers me without claim autolynch them

Also what was this about?

[camn]

I used to just Lynch all softclaims.
A lot turned out to be town power.
But BB claimed vanilla.


Hm.

[camn]

can you cite that behavior?

[camn]

oops.. that was for BB on the last page.
Can he cite softing as VT?

[camn]

I AM REALLY TORN.

If the last scum is not BB or Key, ima be really really unhappy.
If Pine says "ha ha I KNEW NOBODY WOULD THINK I WOULD PICK ARISTO" I might lose my mind.

That said- BB has a point.. on setup spec he is probably town. But when has setup spec won games?
Wheras Keychain has a pretty tight claim, has been digging deep..... which is just what a good scum should do.

I hate mafia.

BUT.. I had a really good idea for a game during all of this

[camn]

Lets see if he is FOS on this "I soft to draw the NK" nonsense.

[camn]

ok I have been digging..

It took me, like, 12 games to even find one where BB was ever kightkilled. He seems to get lynched a lot. Also MODS UPDATE POST 1 FFS.
In Newbie 1722 he was NKd N1. He didn't soft at all. He DID announce "newbies get a claim before you hammer or you are insta-scum!" in general, though. Its his IC-speech I think.

Yeah. I didn't find examples. But I didn't do a comprehensive search. TOo many speakeasy posts.. not enough games

BB- can you cite?

[camn]

The softing hurts me, tbh. Like...if it's 'im trying to draw the kill', what happened later on? Why only D1?

When I'm trying to draw nightkills, which I do sometimes....I fucking draw nightkills.

[camn]

You are assuming that molla, if scum, is a goon. A scum busdriver and town redirector is a strange combo, I reckon.

Town-Odd night redirector and Scum Even Night Bus Driver

that's not odd, that's expected and actually makes sense

I kind of agree.
And this game IS hard.

[camn]

Actually, Goof...I'm feeling a 180 in myself on the softclaim business.
Like...as scum I'm gonna set up my fakeclaim. Im gonna be ready, and consistent. If I have a PR, I'm gonna play it as if I were town, so if I'm tracked, my targets all make sense.

Keyblade did this.
Molla did not.

Could molla be shortsighted, crappy scum? Maybe. But probably not....and DEFINITELY not with Pine in his scumchat- for seven fucking days.

The bus on mastina is scummy, sure. But on claims I like Key for scum more. I liked Parama for scum too. I think we gotta go Keychain here, and if we are wrong, and got scooped by BBmolla lolscum, so be it.

[camn]

Molla did not.

Right but he claimed vanilla goon.

Sure, but at odds with his softclaiming early on.

Im thinking town might mismatch that way, cuz who cares? But scum are more ~aware~ of what they are setting up, claim-wise, right?

[camn]

And he seems to have a history of actually fakeclaiming...
players that fakeclaim alot usually plan it out, and he seemed to

a) drop softclaims...so we know he was thinking about roles..
but
b) not fakeclaim anything.

It seems a tiny bit unrealistic from coached scum.

[camn]

and his plan was 'fuck it, lolclaim, then AtE anyone who thinks im scum"?

I want to think better of BBMolla. hes a veteran. SAME JOIN YEAR AS PINE

[camn]

Not 'must' .. but I would play it that way.

And Ari dark horse scum is interesting. I am pondering it too.

[camn]

Can people remind me why Ari can't be scum? because I'm stuck on that, I don't think it's BBmolla.

WHy don't you make the case for Ari-Scum?

[camn]

Also- I wouldnt be totally opposed to no-lynching here.
Not cuz its optimal.. but because I am on a long swing of working every day, but it ends this week. Next week I can get deeper into this.

But it probably wouldnt get us any closer.

[camn]

Game is on the line.
If you are town, and we are ready to jam a BBMolla Lynch...but you think it's Aristo....then I'd think more vigor.

But if you are scum, and it doesn't really matter if we Lynch Aristo...or BB...just as long as it's not you...then meh?

[camn]

Ok, then! Time to vote!

[camn]

I like Keychain for scum, too. More than BB.
And I like the idea of this game getting done... It was fast for a large...but still a large .

Of course, voting against Goof's instinct pains me. Deeply.
Hopefully the scum is Aristo and he can shake off his bad-at-scum rep forever!

[camn]

/me flips over table and stalks away, never looking back.